Planetary Rulerships 101: Master Your Chart Reading Skills w/ Georgia Stathis
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Join Amanda Walsh and master astrologer Georgia Stathis in this enlightening episode as they dive into the foundational concept of planetary rulerships. Whether you're a seasoned astrologer or just starting, this episode offers valuable insights to enhance your chart reading skills.
Key Highlights:
✨ Introduction to Planetary Rulerships:
Amanda and Georgia introduce the essential concept of planetary rulerships and their significance in astrology.
🪐 Georgia Stathis' Astrological Journey:
Discover how Georgia's extensive experience and unique approach to astrology integrate modern planets, asteroids, mythology, and constellations.
📈 Applying Planetary Rulerships:
Learn practical techniques for applying planetary rulerships in chart readings, complete with real-life examples and insights from Georgia.
📚 Classic vs. Modern Rulerships:
Explore the differences between classical and modern planetary rulerships and how each can enrich your astrological practice.
💡 Advanced Chart Reading Techniques:
Georgia shares advanced methods for interpreting charts, focusing on secondary progressions and the role of the secondary moon.
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~ The Book of Rulership by Dr. Lee Lehman
~ Rulership Book by Rex E. Bills
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Transcript:
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:25:15
Amanda
Well. Hello there and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. I am so happy that you are here. Now today we're going to be diving into a topic around planetary rulership and this is perfect for you. If you ever feel like you hit dead ends when you're looking at a chart and trying to answer specific questions, or if you need some help putting the puzzle pieces together.
00:00:25:17 – 00:00:56:09
Amanda
If you're a more seasoned astrologer, this is going to be great for you. If you want to hear how a master astrologer who's been practicing for decades, how they weave in planetary ruler ships, how they weave in the modern planets, the asteroids, mythology constellations, how they weave all these different things into planetary rulership. And or if you just love George's status, which I am absolutely in that camp, she is an incredibly bowl astrologer with a wealth of information to share.
00:00:56:11 – 00:01:11:10
Amanda
And so I'm just so honored that she's here today on this platform to talk to us about something that is very foundational in astrological chart reading.
00:01:11:12 – 00:01:45:00
Amanda
So before we do that, I just want to thank you for being a part of our podcast community here at Astrology Hub. I was thinking before I came on here today that even though astrology is a little more mainstream than it was before, it's still pretty out there for most people. So I, for one, love having a place where we can go have this conversation together and really just drop into all of the amazingness that astrology has to offer all of us for understanding who we are, our place in this universe, and just really exploring some of these deeper mysteries of life.
00:01:45:00 – 00:02:10:06
Amanda
So thank you for being here for that. All right, Georgia, I've been thinking about you, and I just I have this question. You've been an astrologer for a long time, like, many decades. You're one of those, like, legends in astrology. And I was wondering, what about astrology has captivated your attention and has held your heart and your mind interested for this long?
00:02:10:08 – 00:02:13:14
Amanda
Like, why is it? Why? What is it done for you?
00:02:13:16 – 00:02:35:15
Georgia
Well, it's always new. it's always fresh. There's always a new adventure, you know? You know, you never learn anything completely. And, over 50 years of doing this, a lot of changes have happened in the world. A lot of new discoveries. There was a renaissance of classical and, Hellenistic studies when I was teaching a Kepler.
00:02:35:17 – 00:02:55:13
Georgia
But I did a lot of different vocations in my life up until about 28 or 29 years of age, which was good. I think we all, as astrologers, need to. If you want to be with people that are in the real world working, it's good to have had experiences like that, but this was the only occupation that ever held my interest for any extended period of time.
00:02:55:13 – 00:03:06:08
Georgia
I mean, it's just immersive because there's so many levels of information. And so that's why I've been in it this long, and I hope to continue to be in at this long.
00:03:06:09 – 00:03:33:20
Amanda
I love it, and Georgia is one of the things we were just talking about, the first summit we did at Astrology Hub in 2015, and I was just so brand new to astrology. I'm interviewing people like Georgia and Ray Merriman and Rick, and I don't know who any of these people are, but what I did know is these are highly intelligent individuals who are so passionate about this topic, and they've been studying it and teaching it and practicing it for so long.
00:03:33:20 – 00:03:53:20
Amanda
And it was it was such a contrast to what I had experienced in my you know, I call it my previous lifetime, you know, sort of in a more corporate environment. I just I didn't run into people that like, you know, 50 years in were just so on fire about something. So I just, I really wanted to ask you that question, and I want to welcome you back to the podcast and thank you for being here.
00:03:53:22 – 00:04:14:15
Georgia
Thank you. I think a astrologers are a very lively bunch, because we are very, Uranian and we're very, interested in a lot of different things. And, there's a lot of depth to people who do astrology because they're operating on a lot of different cylinders, really. so.
00:04:14:17 – 00:04:36:00
Amanda
Yeah, I love the way you say that. And I would say that's absolutely true about all of you listening or watching right now as well. You're operating on different cylinders. You're asking the questions. Right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about this, planetary rulership. How long were you practicing astrology before you really brought this into your chart reading?
00:04:36:02 – 00:04:59:04
Georgia
You know, this is a very good question. It was probably around, I think, somewhere around the five year mark and I think I found a book. It's an old book. It's in the library. there's a escobars sidelights in astrology, a little tiny skinny book, mimeographed like they used to be in the old days. And I found some information in there about ruler ships, because none of my teachers ever taught me that.
00:04:59:06 – 00:05:22:10
Georgia
Really? Never. I mean, they taught you, you know, Venus means there's the house, means there's the sign means there's. But to take the rulership of a planetary rulership and place. I was never taught that. That doesn't mean that other teachers didn't do that. But the way I came up, because there weren't many teachers in those days. So one day it was just it was like a giant click.
00:05:22:12 – 00:05:40:03
Georgia
That's what happened. I was like, oh my God, you know, I can see this in here, and I can see this in here and I can see this in here. Whereas before I was kind of a well, you know, Venus is in your second house, you, you know, you like to make money, like just that kind of thing, which we all do when we're starting out.
00:05:40:03 – 00:06:04:16
Georgia
I mean, we all do. I mean, I did it, but the rulership and there's so many levels of rulership, I mean, vast amounts of materials have been written. This has been going back to, you know, various Valens who wrote in the Hellenistic period, you know, the first century and over time, because culture changes, because we have more inventions, more and more ruler ships get assigned.
00:06:04:16 – 00:06:32:22
Georgia
And there's a lot of, issues around classical ruler ships versus modern ruler ships, because we didn't really see any other planets until 1781 or 1771 when they discovered Uranus, which basically threw everything out the door, basically. So, but I think, one of the other ways that I really learned about ruler ships was also studying horary astrology, how to use them, you know, the, the prediction of the hour.
00:06:33:00 – 00:06:56:15
Georgia
I never was very good at the horary part, but I really got the ruler ships, and, and that and then of course, all the, all the different cultures, you know, all the different cultures that have different names for the signs or the different names for the characters of the signs. You know, you start to see, you know, over time, God, this works here, this works here, this works here.
00:06:56:15 – 00:07:23:05
Georgia
So, yeah, it was about five years in. And then, when I got involved in business astrology, which is basically the same ideas, except you had to figure out a way to interpret in terms of business astrology, because there's different branches of astrology, there's medical, there's mundane, which is the study of the world. There's, financial, there's business, there's classical, there's Ferrari, there's, you know, there's all these different, and they all have their own kind of versions of rulership.
00:07:23:05 – 00:07:46:05
Georgia
It's true. Even though they all are the same, they're just a little bit. That's why I think it's very important for people to study horary astrology, at least to learn about what the planets mean and, how to connect the dots. This is a way to connect the dots in a person's horoscope and give them a little bit more information than Venus is in your second house, and this is what this means.
00:07:46:08 – 00:07:46:13
Georgia
Yeah.
00:07:46:13 – 00:08:01:09
Amanda
Okay. So let's let's talk about it. What is it and how would you apply it to looking at a chart. So what is this like concept of planetary rulership. Like the nuts and bolts of it. And then we can start talking about how you.
00:08:01:11 – 00:08:01:21
Georgia
Would.
00:08:02:01 – 00:08:03:11
Amanda
Would start applying it.
00:08:03:13 – 00:08:29:22
Georgia
Right. Well I have an example of someone I was working with recently actually, who has a late Capricorn Rising, which is perfect for right now because right now Pluto is sitting at, you know, three degrees. But in September of 2000, whatever, this is 24, it's going to go back to 29 degrees. Capricorn. So this individual is about 40 years of age, 27, 28 degree Capricorn Rising, which means Pluto is sitting on their ascendant.
00:08:30:00 – 00:08:52:05
Georgia
Now, there's a whole lot you could say about Pluto sitting on somebody's ascendant. First of all, it's a major change in terms of the way you deal with your life and your personality. Okay? Or it could be health issues, or it could be, you know, suddenly seeing things very clearly. But what planet, what sign does Pluto rule and where is that in their chart?
00:08:52:07 – 00:09:14:20
Georgia
And in this 40 year old's chart, we have Scorpio on their Midheaven. So we're not only dealing with Pluto coming over their ascendant where there's a change maybe in their parents or there's a different attitude about how they express themselves, but there's a new awareness of their 10th house stuff, because Pluto is a ruler of the 10th house and it's on the ascendant.
00:09:14:22 – 00:09:39:23
Georgia
Go to the next level with that. This person is almost 40. They have a Pluto, Saturn, Venus conjunction that's hard in the ninth. So we have Pluto on the ascendant ruling their Midheaven. At the same time it is squaring their natal Pluto, which happens once in a lifetime, which is kind of forcing the issue about what do you want to be when you grow up.
00:09:40:01 – 00:10:04:15
Georgia
Yeah. Because as the ruler of the 10th house. But this person is also having to deal with one of his parent's health issues, at the same time that he's trying to maneuver his career path suit on the ascendant, which is also kind of scary because you feel pretty vulnerable when that happens. Ruling the 10th, which is this person's career and how they want to move forward in their career.
00:10:04:15 – 00:10:25:08
Georgia
Because Pluto is intense, it wants what it wants, right? Squaring Pluto, which is next to Saturn, which is the ruler of their chart, which is okay, you're going to have to get rid of the fears of your intelligence because these planets are in the ninth house. They're Saturn, they're Pluto, and they're Venus are in the ninth house. How smart am I?
00:10:25:10 – 00:10:40:08
Georgia
Okay, so we're dealing with health issues of a parent. We're dealing with how smart am I? We're dealing with how am I going to change my career all at the same time? With one lousy planet, Pluto on the ascendant? Wow. And so you read the story.
00:10:40:08 – 00:11:00:10
Amanda
That's amazing. Did this person come to you? So tell me, the person sets up a call with you. Or maybe it was a personal contact. I don't know, but. And they say I need a reading. When you get their birth information, what is the first thing you do? Are you looking at big players like Pluto or Saturn and like seeing what they're doing?
00:11:00:12 – 00:11:05:15
Amanda
Do you have information about the like, what they're going through and specifics that they need help with?
00:11:05:17 – 00:11:15:01
Georgia
Those are really perfect questions because I used to not do this, now I do it okay. The first thing I ask them is what are your three most important bullet points?
00:11:15:03 – 00:11:17:19
Amanda
like bullet point questions, like a report, right. Things that are up.
00:11:17:21 – 00:11:32:16
Georgia
Yeah, right. Because I didn't never do that. Because when you're younger, you know, you got the ego. You know, I'm going to show this person that I know how to read a chart. I mean, I was never really like that being a Pisces, but it happens with a few people. so this way it cuts through all the garbage.
00:11:32:16 – 00:11:55:10
Georgia
Okay. These are their three issues. And, sometimes I'll unfortunately get a whole composition. So, I say short bullet points, you know? Yeah, I know that going in, but I, I right away look at the slower planets because I am a modern astrologer. I'm not a classical astrologer, although I use, I do sometimes use Saturn for Aquarius.
00:11:55:12 – 00:12:32:17
Georgia
I sometimes do use Mars for Scorpio because they're they're faster moving. And if I want a quicker answer, you know, for timing, I can use that. But the first thing I always work with is where Saturn is hitting their chart. And why is that? Because Saturn is the issue of fear and limitation or your perception of limitation. And then I look to see what how Saturn rules in their chart, not only where it's placed natively, but the house that it rules because you have to look like if Saturn rules your eighth house, say, which is your ability to, let's just say the ability to attract you income and you have Saturn, let's say
00:12:32:17 – 00:12:55:20
Georgia
in the third and it rules your eighth house. Okay. Saturn rules. Capricorn. Send your eight Saturn and your Saturn's in your third house, which is the way you process information. The way you communicate may be very difficult for a person in their younger years to communicate effectively about how they make money or how they how they organize their assets.
00:12:55:20 – 00:13:16:16
Georgia
Because eighth House is about, you know, planning something maybe difficult for them to communicate. Maybe they've tried to communicate about it, but they've been criticized. And so you work with the fear issues there. Then you look to see where Saturn is moving through the chart right now. And I always try to do all the Saturn and Pluto stuff first, and then I always try to close up with the Jupiter stuff.
00:13:16:16 – 00:13:20:13
Georgia
That's a good policy for any astrologer. Yeah.
00:13:20:15 – 00:13:29:07
Amanda
Because you're kind of doing you're doing the tougher stuff, the like, the deeper, more vulnerable, intimate things first, and then you go to the good news.
00:13:29:09 – 00:13:49:09
Georgia
Yeah, do the pain first. And pleasure is a true reward. That's not mine. That's state grants motivational thing. And I love that is do the pain first and do because I you know I have I in my own life have had to deal with Saturn. Now I do have a friend, an older friend who's been an astrologer for a long time, who has a very strong Jupiter inner chart.
00:13:49:11 – 00:13:55:01
Georgia
she always gets the easy people,
00:13:55:03 – 00:14:00:21
Georgia
I always get the hard people, you know? And I think we will get who we are in our life.
00:14:00:23 – 00:14:24:12
Amanda
I've heard astrologers say that, and even that. It kind of comes in waves, like the like if they're going through a certain transit, then they'll get people going through that transit and they're. So, Georgia, I just wanted to say something to the audience if when George is talking about what if the way that she just decoded that chart and she were and she bounced around going, you know, ruler here, house here, you know, and you're confused at all, it's okay.
00:14:24:14 – 00:14:50:03
Amanda
Like it is a lot to try and make sense of all at the same time. I'm actually taking a mastery class from Georgia right now that she taught for our inner circle as a two hour and 16 minute class, and I swear it is taking me like over five hours to get through an hour and a half, because as you speak, there's so much in every, every slide that I'm, I'm going back to, I'm going to my chart.
00:14:50:03 – 00:15:13:00
Amanda
I'm like trying to figure it out and put it all together. So just take your time with it. Like Georgia said she did this year. Five and she started to integrate it and just know that there is this level to go to where, you know, if you're looking at the chart in the in your in your interpretation to be a little flat, you're like, okay, there's got to be more or like, this person is asking you about this thing, but I can't they can't figure out why that's happening in their life.
00:15:13:06 – 00:15:26:12
Amanda
Just based from that really simple interpretation. This is going to help you get to that layer. But you don't have to do it today. Just just take what you can, like take the the gems that you can and leave everything else. Okay. I'm done with that.
00:15:26:14 – 00:15:36:16
Georgia
Yeah. No that's right. I mean, you can't expect to jump in the deep end of the pool if you don't know how to swim. Yes. You know, or you or you could, but she'll drown. Yeah.
00:15:36:18 – 00:15:50:19
Amanda
So there is this, this thing with the the classical or the classical rulers and then the modern rulers. How do you make sense of these things and maybe just go through them? Can you can you tell us what they are? The classic ruler ships?
00:15:50:19 – 00:16:13:03
Georgia
Yeah, the classic ruler ships are named after the seven original planets that were seen without a telescope. Start with Aries, ruled by Mars. Taurus is ruled by Venus. This is still modern. Also, Gemini is ruled by mercury cancer is ruled by the moon. Leo is ruled by the sun. Virgo is ruled by Mercury. Also same mercury, different kind of energy.
00:16:13:07 – 00:16:39:20
Georgia
One solves problems. This one analyzes problems. Libra is Venus. Now we get to Scorpio. In the classical ruler ships, you have Mars ruling Scorpio. You don't have Pluto in modern ruler ships. Pluto rule Scorpio. But we sometimes use Mars. Then you have Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter. Then you have Capricorn. Saturn rules Capricorn, but classically Saturn also rules the next sign.
00:16:39:20 – 00:17:03:10
Georgia
Aquarius, which in modern is ruled by Uranus. But really, you know, there is an interesting thing with Aquarius because there's the wild card kind of Aquarius. And then there's the kind of stick up there. And you know what kind of Aquarius? They hold a position and they're not going to let go of that position. That's a very Saturn version of Aquarius, you see both.
00:17:03:12 – 00:17:13:04
Georgia
And then there's Pisces. In the old days before they saw the outer planets, it was Jupiter. But now we have Jupiter and modern is Neptune. So we use both.
00:17:13:06 – 00:17:27:10
Amanda
So Georgia, we went through the rulership. We gave that great example. So let's talk a little bit more about how we apply this concept of planetary rulership into the chart reading equation.
00:17:27:12 – 00:17:52:21
Georgia
Okay. Let's just say somebody has you know, we all know Mercury is about communication. It's about writing. It's about analyzing. It's about commerce. It's about sales. It's very, you know, it's it's like, Jiminy Cricket actually by Jiminy Gemini, Jiminy Cricket. So let's say a person wants to they really love to write. Let's just say that they really want to write for a living.
00:17:52:21 – 00:18:00:07
Georgia
They're not sure what to write about. Let's say they have, Gemini on the Midheaven. So they have a desire to write.
00:18:00:09 – 00:18:01:14
Amanda
Natalie.
00:18:01:16 – 00:18:21:09
Georgia
Natalie? Yeah. Natalie. Let's say they have Gemini in the midheaven. Okay. That's that's a person who wants to either write or talk or have a couple different occupations. They want to mercurial, changeable occupation. Maybe they say they want to write. They're not sure about what the topic is. Okay. Then you look to see where the mercury is placed in the chart.
00:18:21:10 – 00:18:51:22
Georgia
This is really simple okay. All right. Let's say Mercury is in the fifth house. What's the fifth house? This house is children of the body and children of the mind. fifth house is speculative ventures. Fifth house is portfolio management. Fifth house is convention or meeting planning. Fifth house is dating. You know, fifth house is dating. Seventh house is making commitments.
00:18:51:23 – 00:19:09:14
Georgia
Okay, so maybe they should write or do a dating app. Or maybe they should write children's books, or maybe they should do something with them. Write about stock market portfolios. I mean, that's pretty simplistic, but the ruler of the 10th is in the fifth.
00:19:09:16 – 00:19:12:05
Amanda
The ruler of the 10th is in.
00:19:12:10 – 00:19:12:12
Georgia
The.
00:19:12:12 – 00:19:26:03
Amanda
Fifth. Okay. So if I was that person and I was saying I want to write, but I don't know what I, I don't know what I want to write about, would you just start rattling off some of those options, like, have you ever thought about writing a children's book? Have you ever thought about like, how would you broach that?
00:19:26:08 – 00:19:29:21
Georgia
Yeah, well, first of all, I would be looking at a lot of the other parts of the chart too.
00:19:29:23 – 00:19:33:00
Amanda
Okay. So tell us about that. Like, what else would you be looking at?
00:19:33:02 – 00:19:51:11
Georgia
What I would also first do before they even show up? Because this is me, I'm a kind of a neurotic when it comes to preparation. I would have done their the transits to the chart. Of course I would have done their secondary progression, and then I would have done their solar arcs, which move very slowly. But those are important.
00:19:51:13 – 00:19:56:11
Georgia
I would have done the eclipse hits to the chart. Oh, I do all this before they even show up.
00:19:56:16 – 00:19:58:02
Amanda
How long does this take you?
00:19:58:04 – 00:19:59:08
Georgia
Oh, at least an hour.
00:19:59:13 – 00:20:00:00
Amanda
Okay.
00:20:00:06 – 00:20:21:19
Georgia
I'm fussy, I don't I probably don't need an hour, but I like to write things out. Yes, I'm a hand to brains person. Me too. So, you know, that's how I remember things, and I. It's all in colors. And, you know, insane. But anyway, I would look at all that. So our job as astrologers is to validate the subjective experience they're going through.
00:20:22:00 – 00:20:51:00
Georgia
So maybe they're saying to us to me, I am thinking of writing a book for children or doing a little podcast for children. Maybe that's already in the ethers because most people know something they'd like to do, but the timing is off. Okay, so let's look at their secondary progression. I don't do much with secondary progressions, but there's one thing I really pay attention to is when the secondary moon moves around the chart, it moves one degree a month.
00:20:51:02 – 00:21:17:23
Georgia
It will come back every 27 years to the same spot in the chart. If that secondary moon is about to go over their 10th house cusp or their ascendant, another angle or their fourth house cusp, another angle or their seventh house cusp number one, they're about to produce something. They're about to create something because of secondary moon going over.
00:21:17:23 – 00:21:35:22
Georgia
One of the angles is you have a baby of some sort. You either have real babies or you create a baby. I mean, I've seen that where you're suddenly comes into it's birthed right on the angle. Okay, so that would be one piece of timing. The second thing I would look at would be what are the aspects right now to their natal mercury?
00:21:36:01 – 00:22:00:01
Georgia
Okay. But let's give another example. Let's say they have Natalie. They have Gemini on the Midheaven. Let's say they have Natal Mercury in Gemini. Let's say their Mercury is in Gemini at birth okay. Yeah. And that's in their 10th house. Well the first thing you would know right away when you see Mercury in anybody's 10th house is their job or their work in the world will have something to do with communication.
00:22:00:03 – 00:22:30:10
Georgia
But this person wants to do some writing right now. Where is transiting Jupiter right now. Transiting Jupiter is in Gemini. It will be there through spring of 2025. It'll only come back to that Mercury every 12 years. And Jupiter okay Jupiter rules what Jupiter rules Pisces and Jupiter rules. Sagittarius okay. So where is Pisces in this person's horoscope?
00:22:30:15 – 00:23:06:02
Georgia
Pisces is probably on their seventh house. Sagittarius is on their fourth house. So Jupiter right now is in Gemini hitting their Mercury. It is bringing the fourth house of Sagittarius because Jupiter, all Sadge and it's bringing the seventh house, which is Pisces Jupiter up to Mercury. So maybe they're going to write at home, write something at home. But they may need a writing partner because Jupiter rules the seventh house, they may need one.
00:23:06:04 – 00:23:23:23
Georgia
They may not think they need one, but one could show up. And that's how you work with it. You can I actually give them dates when these things will probably happen. I don't say this is going to happen on this date, but you know, this is a time frame in which these kinds of things could show up for you I think.
00:23:24:01 – 00:23:31:15
Georgia
Or maybe they want to write about housing stuff, or maybe they want to write about, you know, fixing things in your house. Jupiter rules the fourth.
00:23:31:16 – 00:23:34:21
Amanda
Could they be writing a relationship book? Maybe they could.
00:23:34:21 – 00:23:39:08
Georgia
Write a relationship. Very good. Okay. Very good partnership book. Yeah.
00:23:39:08 – 00:23:56:00
Amanda
Right. Okay. So you're taking this all of this into the equation, into the puzzle that you're putting together. And then you're looking at the secondary progressions. But really just the moon when the moon's crossing over the angles is mainly like the main thing you take from secondary progressions.
00:23:56:04 – 00:24:20:20
Georgia
That's the first main thing I take from secondary progressions. The second main thing I take, which is very complex. and it doesn't happen very frequently at all, is if a planet in the progression is going direct or retrograde that year, and that's very rare. You know, I do have a personal story of that. I remember Alan Oken, who I mentioned we were just talking earlier, who was a very well known astrologer, wrote a lot of great books.
00:24:20:22 – 00:24:39:12
Georgia
And in 1981, I remember this, I was pregnant with my daughter. They had a big Jupiter Saturn conference with Liz Greene in Berkeley. Stephen Arroyo I was pretty young. I was, what, 30 something? And I went to him for reading Alan Okin, and I've been doing it a few years. This is something I learned with Alan Arkin. Okay.
00:24:39:14 – 00:24:58:09
Georgia
He says to me, do you know that your, secondary Mercury is going direct this year? Because I was born with a direct Mercury. I didn't know a retrograde between birth and 30. I wasn't paying attention to that. Right, right. And I said, no, I didn't. He says, yeah, it's going direct. And it's kind of the dispositive of your chart.
00:24:58:11 – 00:25:18:01
Georgia
This is going to be a very important turning point for you in terms of your work and your writing. And he was right. I also had a baby that year, which is rule Mercury rules children in horary astrology. I had my first child that year and I was Mercury was going direct. I thought I'd never have kids. Oh wow, that's a trip.
00:25:18:03 – 00:25:27:19
Amanda
Interesting. Okay, so there something with direct. Well, but was it because Mercury was the dispositive of your chart that he like, honed in on that?
00:25:27:20 – 00:25:39:12
Georgia
Well, that plus Mercury was the ruler of my second house is okay was still is and also I have mercury in the 10th house, Natalie. And it rules my fifth house of children also.
00:25:39:17 – 00:26:02:06
Amanda
Oh, there you go. Okay, if you're listening and you're going, what's dispositive? I have to say that, we have a class called Decode Your Cosmic Blueprint that Donna would well taught. And the dispositive was at, like, lesson 4 or 5. And literally this is where all the students would leave. Not all the students, of course. And many people finish the class.
00:26:02:08 – 00:26:20:14
Amanda
But if we were going to lose students, it was right there because it was a really hard concept for people to apply. And I don't know exactly why, but it was like this mind game that just was really hard for people. Can you just touch on this for our are more intermediate students? What is the dispositive and why does it matter?
00:26:20:16 – 00:26:42:15
Georgia
And not everybody has a dispositive okay. That's sometimes you have to what it is basically is and the way I when I do it, I actually draw it out. So people have a sketch of how it works. You know where you have I put you know I start with whatever I start, I start with the sun like say the sun in Pisces and I put a circle around it.
00:26:42:16 – 00:27:02:13
Georgia
And then what I do is I draw an arrow down. Where is my Jupiter, my Jupiter's Capricorn. Put a circle around that, draw an arrow down where Saturn because Saturn rules Capricorn and I make this diagram with circles arrows circles, arrows. And with mine it comes out to Mercury.
00:27:02:15 – 00:27:05:11
Amanda
That's like the final piece. Like you can't go any further.
00:27:05:11 – 00:27:12:16
Georgia
You can't go any further. And that is not what somebody always notices when they look at your chart is if you have a final dispositive.
00:27:12:18 – 00:27:14:13
Amanda
And so what if you do?
00:27:14:15 – 00:27:23:06
Georgia
If you do, it really is a high influence in your life. I mean, if you have a final it'll, it'll you'll always go towards that sort of thing, if that makes any sense.
00:27:23:11 – 00:27:26:20
Amanda
Yes. Even more than your ruling planet.
00:27:26:22 – 00:27:37:05
Georgia
No, I think you're ruling planet for sure, but it's just like a little, it's a little whipped cream on top of the sundae. Gives you a little bit more information, right?
00:27:37:07 – 00:27:57:05
Amanda
Yes. And this is basically to your point earlier about how it is endless. And this is what I say when people join the inner circle, and especially when people are new to astrology in they're so excited, they're curious, they're interested, and they, they want to like master chart reading in a week or in a month or in a year even.
00:27:57:07 – 00:28:05:19
Amanda
And it's kind of like, oh, I like I hate to be the bearer of bad news because it's both bad news and good news. The bad news is this is going to be a lifelong study.
00:28:05:23 – 00:28:07:11
Georgia
Oh, yeah. It's not like overnight.
00:28:07:12 – 00:28:31:22
Amanda
No, there's no quick like, oh, now I know an hour, I know everything, and now I'm a master and I can teach you to blah blah. But the cool thing about that is it is endless there. It's endlessly fascinating. And at every what I have found is at every single threshold that you pass as you're learning astrology, you are learning more about yourself, learning more about the universe and how it works.
00:28:31:22 – 00:28:45:00
Amanda
Learning about the people in your life. It's not like you have to get there before it's useful. It's useful the whole time, even if you only know a little bit. It's like even if you only know your moon sign, it can be mind blowingly helpful.
00:28:45:00 – 00:29:03:21
Georgia
Yeah, it's never ending. I mean, the thing about it, if you're going to really seriously study this and some people don't want to, that's fine. It's not their thing. You're going to have to be patient. That's not a word that people like these days. It's not like, you know, you can order the app and get the information. You know, it's not like that.
00:29:03:23 – 00:29:16:01
Georgia
it really requires. And you don't have to think also that you have to immerse yourself 24 over seven for the next year. It's not like that either, because that's not the way to learn, because you got to incubate some concepts.
00:29:16:01 – 00:29:16:16
Amanda
Yes.
00:29:16:18 – 00:29:46:06
Georgia
You know, like if you're going to work with a rulership concept or a depositor concept or, you know, the secondary moon to work with that for a year, try every single thing you can with the dispositif inside out, turn it upside down, ask questions, look at all these different charts that you can get at Astro Dance. All these well known people, famous people, you know, in fact, the other day I was looking at, weird thing to look at, but I was wondering, when did the Supreme Court begin, right.
00:29:46:08 – 00:30:06:18
Georgia
Yeah. So I got the chart from Astro Dance, I think it was. And then I thought, okay, this is interesting. They're going through a lot of changes right now. So where is their solar arc and where is their secondary progression right now? Okay, I looked it up this is what you have to be curious. And what did I see in this particular Supreme Court chart?
00:30:06:19 – 00:30:38:10
Georgia
I saw that there progress midheaven which is how the world sees them right. It was at 29 degrees, the last degree of Leo omen about to change signs to zero degrees of Virgo, which is always for any sort of occupation or the way you're seeing in the world. There's going to be a big change that year. And it just so happens that 29 degrees Leo zero Virgo is also this is the stuff you learn over time is also the fixed star.
00:30:38:10 – 00:31:02:08
Georgia
Regulus. Yeah, which is great heights. And if you don't do things responsibly, Great Falls, you have to make the choice. Oh, God. And that's, that's, you know, okay. They're going from a sun ruled midheaven by progression to a mercury ruled. In other words, the ego needs to step aside. I'm not saying that they're right or wrong, and I'm not being political, but I thought that was fascinating.
00:31:02:10 – 00:31:29:17
Georgia
Fascinating? That was fascinating. This is what you do if you want to work on just 29 degrees. I'm doing a whole bunch of classes on 29 degrees this year. look at charts where things are 29 degrees, look at progressions where they're 29 degrees. The ruler of those houses will change. Yeah. You know. Yeah. I mean, this is what I mean when you work with stuff like ruler ships or depositors or anything, give it a year to just look at one thing.
00:31:29:19 – 00:31:38:06
Georgia
man, you can learn a whole lot. I mean, I get and you go down rabbit holes. That's a problem. Sometimes you'll have 20 books next to you, you know. That's me.
00:31:38:07 – 00:31:42:05
Amanda
Speaking of, is there a planetary rulership book that you would recommend?
00:31:42:09 – 00:32:06:19
Georgia
There are a lot of them out there. one that I really love is by, doctor Lee Lehman, who was our president of Kepler. she has this is, based on classical astrology. It's called the Book of Rulership. Okay. that's one I did notice. Believe it. Or not, Christopher Wren Ostrom, who I love Christopher, he actually has a rulership book, which I didn't know he had until I went on the internet archives.
00:32:06:19 – 00:32:29:15
Georgia
I went through I p and then I went in internet archives. And that's there. There's a very old, old, old book that's a little out of date by Rex e bills called The Rulership Book. There's also Monk's book, on Concepts, concept dictionary. Unger and Lillian Huber wrote a book on rulership. There's been a lot of things written on rulership.
00:32:29:16 – 00:32:44:13
Georgia
There's medical astrology. I mean, if they go into our Alexandria I base and put in ruler ships in the subject line, it'll bring up a whole bunch of books that we have cataloged or where you can find those books, that have that information in them.
00:32:44:15 – 00:33:16:08
Amanda
Okay, let let me interject here. This is the perfect time. Couple things. Number one, we're having a big launch party around George's planetary rulership mastery class that she taught in the inner circle about a year ago. It's been only exclusively available to the inner circle up until now. We're going to put it in the academy. We're running a special on it, so we'll put the link if you want to take a course from Georgia on this and putting it all together, she goes through all the houses, she goes through all the planets to really puts it together.
00:33:16:08 – 00:33:37:04
Amanda
And that's the thing I've been spending hours and hours on so you can get access to that. Now the other thing is for the launch party for this, we're releasing it from the vault. the other thing is she's going to do a live Q&A and chart reading session for any of the students who participate in this little launch party.
00:33:37:06 – 00:34:08:03
Amanda
So that's going to be an extra. And added Inner Circle members. You're invited to that too. If you already have this in your library. The final thing is when you purchase this course, you will also have the opportunity to donate to George's Alexandria AI based project, which she was just talking about. And this is this online library resource that helps any astrology student locate any astrological text that they have cataloged so far.
00:34:08:03 – 00:34:10:16
Georgia
Cataloged. Yeah, we got about 20,000 right now.
00:34:10:18 – 00:34:37:00
Amanda
There's texts all over the place, you guys. It's like it's this wild, you know, in corners of the universe, all these amazing astrological texts that would be hidden to all of us if not for the work that they're doing at Alexandria. I based. So we at astrology have love supporting Georgia, love supporting astrology in this way. So we're making up donations to the Alexandra AI base to keep this project alive.
00:34:37:00 – 00:34:58:19
Amanda
It's a total it's a nonprofit. They're doing it because they love it, and they want to preserve these texts for all of the astrology students for for centuries to come. So when you join the launch party, get the Planetary Rulership class, you'll have an option to donate, and you can donate there. And then any of these books that, George is talking about, these are also great starting points.
00:34:58:19 – 00:35:23:09
Amanda
If you're not ready to do a class yet, you can read some books and get your feet wet that way. I love that that this is a project you've taken on. We have these, these astrologers in the field who are really taking responsibility to make sure that the astrology stays pure and that we have access to all the great minds that have come before us.
00:35:23:15 – 00:35:46:08
Amanda
We can stand on their shoulders and that these things don't get lost forever, which could happen. I mean, even I know some astrologers who pass on, they donate their entire life's work or their library to you. At the at Alexandria AI base, you can go to astrology, ABC.com, slash ruler ships to get access to George's class, and we're doing around our little launch party.
00:35:46:08 – 00:36:13:07
Amanda
There is also a promotion for this period of time, and then you'll want to make sure you get in before we do the live Q&A and chart reading, which will give you a chance to get your chart read. George will be demonstrating these concepts with students in it, and then you can also donate to Alexandra I based at Astrology hub.com/astrology, library astrology.com astrology library and we we pass that 100% through to Georgia.
00:36:13:07 – 00:36:16:14
Amanda
We don't there's no like middleman anything. So that just goes through.
00:36:16:14 – 00:36:36:05
Georgia
You were great. You helped us get through the summer with our last fundraiser. So we wanted to thank you all on on this podcast and thank Astrology Hub because we really needed we needed to get through the little hump this summer. So I mean, we're back in again. It's you know, it's not profit. It's not like, yeah, it's not like we're raking in the dollars, you know.
00:36:36:07 – 00:36:47:16
Georgia
Right. But we'll do it as long as we can and then we won't do it anymore. But we're keep doing it. And, I'm very proud of our small board. They've been with me since the beginning. Amazing. They've never left.
00:36:47:18 – 00:36:50:20
Amanda
Wow. Well, that's a testimony also to you, Georgie. They've never.
00:36:50:20 – 00:36:54:03
Georgia
Left. They they're amazing. They're just amazing. So.
00:36:54:05 – 00:37:13:01
Amanda
Okay, well, this has been so much fun. I love I actually get to go hang out with Georgia in person in California. She lives close to my parents, and so I can't wait to get together for dinner and just hang out because we just have so much fun. But I want to thank all of you so much for tuning in.
00:37:13:03 – 00:37:32:07
Amanda
If you hung out with us, this whole conversation, you're already, like, pretty initiated as a student is my I miss my thought. And or you're about to be initiated as a student because that was a lot. That was we went deep we when we went into it. But I hope that you got some gems that you can start to play and practice with.
00:37:32:07 – 00:37:36:09
Amanda
And like Georgia said, maybe just apply for a year and see what's the.
00:37:36:10 – 00:37:46:00
Georgia
One thing you know, just pick one thing that's fascinating to you. And you usually, if I can add one thing, the way you really learn it is you see something in your chart that you didn't see.
00:37:46:04 – 00:37:47:08
Amanda
Yes.
00:37:47:10 – 00:38:05:09
Georgia
And then that's the rabbit hole. That's that's the hole that you go down. Right. And that's what happened with me with Allen. Okay. And Mercury Direct. Yes. You know, five years rulership. And then you just do that and you don't worry. Please, folks, if you're studying, don't worry that you're never going to get it right. I've known people.
00:38:05:09 – 00:38:25:02
Georgia
If I can just say this and they'll let you go. I have known people, literally students of mine. One student, Alice Williams, I remember her. She had been doing it for 35 years. She was a Pisces. With Virgo rising. She never thought she was good enough to do the work and she was good. so this is the thing.
00:38:25:02 – 00:38:46:14
Georgia
It's not about ego. It's about do you have curiosity? Do you want to open up parts of your brain? It's sort of like a cosmic sudoku. Okay, that will take you to places that you never even imagined. And you'll see it in the news. You'll start seeing things and then, you know, like, right now, Jupiter is in Gemini.
00:38:46:15 – 00:39:08:17
Georgia
What is everybody wearing this Mercury rules. Gemini rules the lungs, rules the arms. Jupiter is in Gemini. Wow. North node is in Aries right now. What's the color bits out there? Reds and pinks. Aries color is red and pink, right? It's every place. so that's what's fun.
00:39:08:22 – 00:39:29:15
Amanda
That's so fun. And it's it's alive. Right? Astrology is alive. It's life. Yes, it is. Yes. Okay. Well, this has been such a blast. Giorgia, thank you so much for continuing to make contributions to this platform to share your wisdom, to share your light, to share your enthusiasm. You are such a gift to all of us.
00:39:29:20 – 00:39:33:02
Georgia
And you are to each George.
00:39:33:04 – 00:39:49:02
Amanda
So thanks to all of you. Thank you so much for being here, for being a part of our community, for being curious, for asking the questions, for opening up your mind like the Sudoku that you just said. That's so cool. and for being engaged in these conversations, we have so much fun sharing with you. So thank you for being here.
00:39:49:07 – 00:39:59:13
Amanda
Go check out the The Launch party release. Check out Alexandria I based and all the different resources will put those all in the show notes, and we'll catch you on the next episode. Take care everyone.