The Sun and Jupiter in Astrology: A Square Aspect w/ a Powerful Message w/ Christopher Renstrom
The Sun Square Jupiter After an Aquarius Full Moon
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[00:00:00] Can you really have too much of a good thing? That’s the question we’ll be asking when the sun squares Jupiter this week, next on Horoscope Highlights.
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hello, my name is Christopher Renstrom and I’m your weekly horoscope columnist here on Astrology Hub. And this week I wanted to talk to you about the Sun Jupiter square taking place on August 6th.
Now, some Jupiter squares have a bit of a reputation. That’s because the Sun has a tendency to be associated with egoism in astrological circles. And Jupiter, Jupiter has a reputation for over inflating the value of something. One gets a bit [00:01:00] cocky or too full of themselves when there’s a Sun Jupiter square.
And that makes sense, uh, within a measure. I mean, We all tend to get a little silly when good fortune smiles in our direction, and that’s pretty much what Sun Jupiter squares can be about, which is good fortune smiling in your direction and the silliness that can ensue. Uh, silliness like, like for instance, one becoming sort of haughty, full of oneself, like good fortune has smiled on me and now I’m favored by the gods and the cosmos and the universe.
So, get out of my way, little peons, because I am the golden child of the sun. I mean, that can be an idea. Or another idea might be, um, a little bit more gluttonous, where one’s eyes are bigger than one’s stomach. One can think that one wants more than they actually need, or that they, uh, can take on something, uh, that’s bigger.
than what they’re actually capable of. [00:02:00] So these are kind of like little, you know, uh, reps on the knuckles about don’t get too full of yourself. Don’t get too haughty. Don’t get too, you know, full of, your, your privilege when Sun is squaring Jupiter. So, so oftentimes Sun Jupiter squares are like little morality tales of like, don’t get too full of yourself and, you know, uh, uh, be humble.
And these are things that we sort of like remember, uh, whenever good fortune smiles in our direction. But there’s a little bit more to a sun Jupiter square than just that. Now the sun. The sun symbolizes what I know about myself to be true in astrology. That’s why in an astrological reading, I will always start off the reading by describing the person’s sun sign.
I will go through the characteristics of the sign, the season that it’s associated with, uh, whether it’s, uh, cardinal fixed or mutable, um, the element, and then finally the ruling [00:03:00] planet, because with the way that I work, the ruling planet is the planet that rules your sun sign. So these are the things that I’ll normally begin an astrological reading with, and more often than not.
People respond quite positively to it. They might laugh or say, Oh, that sounds like me. Or, you know, like, I’m so embarrassed about that. Or I’m proud of that, you know, but, but, but the reason we begin with a sun sign description when reading a chart is because it recognizes the person. The person feels seen.
And the reason why the person feels seen is because the sun is the planet of. what I know about myself to be true. Now, I want you to think about that statement for a little bit. It’s, it’s not what I feel about myself to be true, or what I think about myself to be true, or what, I, I would like to believe about myself to be true.
It’s what I know about myself to be true. So there’s a certainty to that statement. There’s a centeredness. [00:04:00] And this is very important because what it mirrors, the sun in the chart, what the sun in the chart mirrors is the sun in our solar system. Without the sun in our solar system, the planets wouldn’t maintain their orbits.
I mean, think about that for a moment. If we suddenly didn’t have a sun at the center of our solar system, well, the planets will go flying off in all sorts of crazy directions, never to return again. Okay. So it’s the sun. Which is at the center of our solar system that locks and holds those planets in place, that locks and holds those planets in orbit.
So it’s the sun’s job in your horoscope. It’s the sun’s job to put you at the center of your own universe. Now that might sound a little like, oh wow, okay, but think about it. It puts you at the center of your own universe. It puts you at the center of your own solar system. And this is a very important thing.
This is why the sun has always been connected to the ego in [00:05:00] astrology. Now ego basically means. Bye. That’s it. Ego is the word for eye. And egos, eyes, are very important things. Egos are not cats in need of stroking, or dogs in need of praising. Egos are a necessary part of the human psyche. Your ego like the sun, is the gravitational pull that holds together all of those aspects of yourself, your thoughts, your dreams, your spirituality, your soulfulness, your profundity, your aspirational qualities, your inventiveness, all of these qualities that are represented by the different planets in your horoscope are held in place, locked in orbit by your ego, by the sun in your astrological chart.
So it’s your ego’s job to reign in all [00:06:00] of these different aspects of yourself, just like it’s the sun’s job to reign in all the different planets in your chart. The ego reigns in your dreams, it reigns in your thoughts, your memories, your spiritual experiences, your aspirations, your ambitions, your fears.
your anxieties. It’s the ego’s job to rein in those different aspects of your chart and to basically act as the solar charioteer of your horoscope.
Now, the chariot is a wonderful image to use when talking about the sun in the astrological chart. Okay, a chariot is someone who stands at his, at his wagon, his chariot, which is, which is a very sleek sort of vehicle, you know. whipping or, or, or harnessing or pulling at the reins of the horses, which drive the chariot forward at an extraordinary velocity.
They were very, very swift, uh, in the ancient world. These vehicles, uh, [00:07:00] uh, these, these chariots that carried kings and their archermen and, and things along those lines. So the sun is basically your solar charioteer. Okay. And it’s, and the sun has reins to all the. different planets that are driving forward in your chart.
And so what you want is a good solid ego, not an over domineering one or a weak handed one. You want a good solid ego that can direct these different horses in your astrological chart. Now this puts me in mind of the myth of Phython. Uh, I don’t know if you’re familiar with the myth of Phython. It’s one of my favorite myths, uh, actually from Greek mythology.
And it’s the story of this boy, Phython, who is being heckled and mocked by his schoolmates. I don’t know, it always put me in mind of Phython at some sort of boarding school with a tie and jacket and little cat being mocked and heckled by his schoolmates. But anyway, uh, the reason that his schoolmates are [00:08:00] mocking and heckling him is that he’s sort of come of age.
Phython’s maybe about, maybe 13, 14, 15 ish, uh, at, at the start of the story. And so he’s come of age. And no one’s ever seen his father, you know, uh, all the other school kids bring their parents to school and show them off and things like this. But Phython is usually escorted by his mother, who’s a water nymph in disguise.
Um, I, I love the way, like, you know, you can have these, these human, uh, descendants and, and their parents are always kind of like incognito. I don’t know, like. The water nymph with like, you know, sunglasses and a veil and things like that, secretly bringing her son to school. But anyway, he’s, he’s escorted by his mother, a water nymph in disguise, you know, but they never see the father.
And, and so word gets out that he’s a bastard child and everyone begins to make fun of him. And what’s interesting about all of this is that, the name Phython means Transcribed radiant, you know, shining. And Phython, as you can imagine, is indeed, uh, the bastard son, the out of wedlock son of, [00:09:00] uh, Helios, who is the god of the sun in Greek mythology.
And, uh, and it’s Helios’s job every day, in the evening when it’s about to turn into dawn. Okay, it’s Helios’s job. Helios’s job to, uh, harness the horses and get them ready in front of the chariot and to drive the chariot across the sky, uh, because Helios being the god of the sun actually is the sun.
He’s, he’s, he’s radiant. He, he gives off this, this, this light and this heat. And, and as he rises up into the sky and arcs across the sky, everyone is in marvel and wonder at the sun and wondering what sort of day it’s going to be. And so they hope and pray for a good day and Helios is like, yes, yes, let’s, let’s all have a good day, shall we?
And, and he, and he rides his horses across the sky. And then at the end of the day. The horses begin to descend down into the temple that he keeps on the western side of the world, [00:10:00] where he gets off the horses and, and, and, uh, says good job, you know, and they’re like, you know, nay, or whatever horses do.
And then the two of them, I don’t know, take a boat back to the east side of the world again to begin the uh, to begin the crossing anew. So um, this is, this is Helios’s job and uh, Helios did fall for this water nymph and um, they had a son, Phython, who Helios never really met and knows nothing about.
Phython has heard stories. more like cryptic remarks and asides made by his mother. And, uh, finally one day he comes home from school and he says to his mother, did I really never have a father? And she’s like, what are you talking about? Of course you had a father. How do you think you came to be?
And he’s like, well, who is he? Because Because the kids at school make fun of me and they mock me and they say all these sorts of things and, and they bully me and it’s a horrible thing to be a son without a father and she’s like, Do they really? And he’s like, Yes, they do. And [00:11:00] it’s horrible. And she’s like, Well, I’ll have a talk with them about it.
And he’s like, No, mother, no. You know, I love it when, like, 15 year olds get galant in a Greek myth. They’re like, No, mother, no! I must stand up for myself, um, and, and, and fight my own fights and not hide behind, uh, your skirts. Um, just tell me who my father is and they’ll back off, I’m sure of it. And she’s like, Well, Phython, your father is Helios.
Dad’s who? Your father is Helios, the god of the sun. You kind of see him every day. So it kind of like slipped my mind as to like whether it was an important thing for you to meet or not. I mean, he’s kind of like been around, not around, you know, that sort of a thing. And he’s like, Helios, the god of the sun.
Mom, you’re joshing me. And she’s like, I’m not joshing you, dear. Um, he is indeed the, the, uh, god of the sun. And so you are, of noble stock and none of these little rugrats should be giving you a hard time. Hold your head proud, my son, and they will be [00:12:00] respectful of you. And he’s like, I will, I will mother.
I will hold my, my head pride. And so of course, Helios goes back to school the next day and they’re like, giving them a hard time. You know, where’s your dad, you know, your father or whatever. And he’s like, do you, do you know who my father is? And they’re like. No, why should we? And he’s like, you see him every day.
We do. Oh my God. Is he the principal of the school? And he’s like, no, you see him every day. My father is Helios, God of the sun who flies his chariot across the sky. So there. And all the guys are like,
You’ve got to be kidding. No, he is. He’s Helios. Oh my god, that is hysterical. That is so pathetic. That is so pathetic. Helios, god of the sun. My dad’s like, uh, the president of the United States. Oh, my dad’s like, uh, I don’t know, Louis Armstrong or something like that. You know, my dad’s Babe Ruth. I don’t know, they go through a list of iconic names.
And he’s like, stop making fun of me. [00:13:00] Stop making fun of me. And they’re like… And it’s like one of those slow motion moments where he’s like, stop laughing at me and they’re like, continue laughing at tilted ankles. Okay. So, um, he lives mortified and embarrassed. It’s like, well, I’ll prove it to you. I’m like, Oh, what are you going to do?
Bring your dad to show and tell? And he’s like, no, no. Oh, I’ll prove it to you. Somehow, you know, and he like rushes home and, and his mother is like, bad day at school. And he’s like, they laughed at me. And she’s like, okay, well, obviously this, uh, meeting between you and your father’s long overdue. So what you need to do is, and so his mother gives him very explicit directions about how to travel to the end of the world.
I don’t know, somehow like they know these things. And so, and then somehow they can travel to the end of the world very quickly in these stories. Following his mother’s instructions, travels on a journey that takes him to the end of the world really rather quickly, okay? So, uh, [00:14:00] the end of the world that he’s traveling to is the east.
The eastern solar temple where Helios hitches the horses to his chariot before riding it across the sky. He goes through a dark forest or a dark jungle, maybe there’s a cavernous terrain, you know, they’re, uh, crashing waves among forlorn peaks, and forbidden coastlines.
Anyway, he reaches this, uh, western temple and he sees on top of this hill, this golden palace, which is ablaze with solar glory. And he’s like, Oh, My father must be Helios. I mean, how else would my mother know how to have reached a solar temple here at the eastern end of the world? I will go up and I will greet him.
And so Helios climbs up the, the, the mountain and he comes to the temple and he sees the horses there, uh, by, by the wagon and, and, and, you know, it’s, it’s pre dawn. So they’re kind of like, you know, maybe munching on a last carrot or, or, or, or [00:15:00] Ambrosia or whatever divine horses eat. You know, and, um, and Helios is there and he’s like, who goes there, you know, sort of thing.
And, and the boy cries, the boy says, sort of your son and he’s like, who is that? Speak up. And he says, Fython, Fython. your son. Well, Python means means radiant one. So you should be. Oh, you are radiant. Look at you. You look just like the spitting image of me and your mother. And so and this is the I’ll make a quick note here.
This is the thing about having gods, or nymphs, or gods and nymphs as your parents in Greek mythology. They have no sense of time whatsoever, because they’re immortal, alright? They’re immortal, so what’s time to an immortal? So there’s no sense of time. What could be like, um, 15 minutes for them can be like 25 years for us as mortals.
And so there isn’t a great time. [00:16:00] understanding of time. And so, it’s great to see you. How wonderful to travel to my temple, Phython, who is certainly quite radiant, and I can immediately recognize myself in your demeanor and your appearance. What can I do for you? And he’s like, well, Well, I’m getting bullied at school and my schoolmates are treating me horribly.
Oh, well, that doesn’t, uh, that’s horrible. Do you want me to go down and give them a spanking or, or show off my radiance so that they’ll immediately know who I am? And it’s like, oh no, no, they’ll just laugh. Well, if they laugh, then I’ll smite them. Well, I don’t exactly want them to be smited, smitten, struck down in place.
Let’s go with that one. Um, and he’s like, well, I feel bad about that Python, but it’s great seeing you. Tell your mother. Hi. Her name was, um. Um, she was a water nymph. Oh yeah, she was a lovely, lovely water nymph. Well tell your mother [00:17:00] hi, and um, if there’s anything else that I can do for you, just ask, and I will, I will fulfill that wish of yours.
And he’s like, Um, wow, uh, uh, these horses, it’s like, they’re lovely, aren’t they? He’s like, they are such noble beasts. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything so noble in all of my life. Well, Phython, if you don’t mind my saying, um, you probably haven’t. Uh, these four horses are the noblest. of all possible beasts as you can see they are golden and they shine and they’re resplendent and if i weren’t a sun god and if you didn’t have some of my sun god uh dna flowing through your body you’d have to what you’d have to wear sunglasses just to sort of take in their glory they’re that they’re that uh extraordinary in their appearance there’s something hum and and fight that’s like oh they’re great and and and then he as he approaches closer he says look at this chariot and and helios is like yes Yes, this chariot, [00:18:00] streamlined for speed, excellent design, goes right through the skies with no problem.
I don’t have to worry about fog banks, or clouds, or inclement weather, um, this chariot is made to withstand anything, and it’s one of a kind, and it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a baby. You know, it’s just the thing. I love my son’s chariot, I have to say, I just absolutely adore it. And so, uh, Python is like, Oh, so sleek.
So streamlined. It’s so cool. And, and Helios is like, well, yes, it is cool. And Python is, it is, it is. Um, actually there is something that I would like to ask for. And Helios is like, of course, name it. What is it? It’s yours! And Phython says, Could I drive this chariot? I mean, what do you want from a 15 year old boy?
He’s being shown off the latest model of a car, which is like [00:19:00] sleek and innovative and fabulous and, and, and fast and fantastic. Is he really going to say no to something like this? But 15 year old boy would. Of course he wants to drive his dad’s chariot. Throw me the keys, dad! And so, uh, Helios is like, I don’t know if that’s such a good idea, Phython.
It’s like, oh come on, dad, why not? And he’s like, well, uh, these horses really know only to respond to me, and things might get kind of like out of control, and you’re still young, you know, and, and you are immortal, and um, you know, I don’t know, it’s a good idea. And I thought was like, oh, come on dad. Come on.
Please, please. After all the things I’ve been through, after all the ways you abandoned me and left me for all those years, and people thought of that, I was a bastard child. You can’t at least let me drive the chariot once. Once. What could possibly go wrong? What could possibly go wrong? What could possibly go wrong?
The [00:20:00] question that should never be asked in Greek. Anyhow, um, uh, Helios is like, well, uh, he hesitates a little bit more and, and Phython says, well, you did promise me and oaths are something that gods absolutely take seriously. And he’s like, well, I can’t talk you into an ice cream or something. He’s like, no, dad, no, just let me drive the chariot once.
And look, the day is supposed to be breaking already. Just this once. And, and, and Helios is like, okay, Radiant One. Just this once, but what you want to do is you want to handle these horses with a, with a, with a solid hand. You don’t want to pull too far back and you don’t want to lean too far forward, uh, or else they’ll sense the, uh, weakness that you’re communicating through your grip.
So, so we’ll handle them with, with great deliberateness and focus. I mean, of course, you’ve driven a chariot before, right? You know, and Phython, not one to give away the truth. The answer is of course, yes, I drive chariots all the time, Dad. You know, I’m a major charioteer at school.[00:21:00]
So, uh, Helio says Yes. And so Hon gets on this chariot, this extraordinary chariot, and the horses snort as they, as they start to ready themselves for the first leap up into the air. And hon takes hold of the reigns and he looks at the horses, and before he knows it, the horses have leapt up into the air.
The chariot is following, and they’re beginning their ascent. They’re beginning their ascent into the day, and Faan looks back over his shoulder and his father’s like, Careful, good, strong group, you know, as he like disappears as the chariot rises higher and higher and higher into the air. Now, the chariot and the horses themselves can give off the glow of sun, and so they do.
Not only do they give off the glow of sun, they give off the great heat of sun. Uh, Helios may be the god who rides the chariot, but the chariot and the horses themselves are also imbued with his solar power. And so, uh, they [00:22:00] begin their ascent up into the sky, and the horses immediately notice that something’s wrong.
That the person who’s driving this chariot doesn’t have the sure, familiar hand that they’re used to. And they sort of, like, begin to get a little bit like, okay, you know, let’s, let’s, let’s gallop wherever we want. Okay. So they begin to gallop and they begin to gallop ferociously wherever they want. And what they want to do is gallop up and out.
And so they gallop in these different directions as they’re ascending higher and higher and higher. And Phython, Phython is holding on to the reins of the chariot. Um, Desperately afraid that he’s going to lose them as the horses begin to, like, snort and gallop up towards the heavens themselves. And at that time, on Earth below, people who are waking up to expect the dawn, who are getting ready to go and do some farming, uh, it’s maybe, uh, mid spring, all of a sudden it’s gotten very [00:23:00] cold.
It’s still dark. There’s maybe icicles on their teeth and they’re chattering and they and they draw their clothes, cloaks and robes over themselves and they’re like they look up to the heavens and they’re like asking what’s going on. What’s going on. We’re in mid spring. This shouldn’t be a cold day. And so Python.
Up now, up against the heavens, the horses begin to turn and veer, heading back down again, and Phython is holding on to these, these reins as much as he can, and the horses dash, they race, they dash and they race, they plummet. They plummet down towards the earth, down to the surface of the earth, and if horses could wild, hysterically and wildly, these horses would, and they probably are, and a horse is sort of, ha ha ha ha, you know, as they gallop and rush down towards the surface of the earth, and now the farmers below, you know, it’s starting to get warm, and they’re feeling better, and They can see a [00:24:00] light in the sky and they take off their cloaks, but that light, that light in the sky is descending.
It’s getting closer. It’s coming closer and closer to them. Things are getting hot. They take off their clothes. They’re burn their, their, their skin is burning their, they’re crying out in panic and in fear as this mad chariot goes across the world, you know, carrying its flares and its fires and its flames as people are.
are absolutely panicking at how close the sun is coming to the earth itself and the horses, the horses veer back up again. They arc to the left and they veer back up again, up into the heavens into the stars and their, their intent on repeating their mad dash once more, maybe this time even more so. And so immediately the priests and the priestesses go to their temples.
And they, and they grab things to sacrifice to the gods to, to somehow signal Zeus to say, Zeus, Zeus, please, what have we done [00:25:00] wrong? You’ve sent the sun against our planet, against our world. Please, please reign it in. Please put it in its place. And Zeus, who’s up, you know, maybe having his nails done on Mount Olympus, uh, hears from Mercury immediately.
He’s like, hey, sir, I got something, uh, to share with you. And Zeus is like, what? Mercury, Hermes, that of the winged sandals, and he says, there’s craziness afoot. My lord, my master. Um, there, the, the sun’s gone out of control. The sun has gone out of control. Hels never goes out of control. He always plots this.
No, he’s not plotting that regular course right now. Zeus, my father, what he’s doing is that he’s gone crazy. The chariot is going up to the heavens. It’s going down to the, I mean, look, look outside the temple right now. And so Zeus. Pure is outside Mount Olympus and he sees, you know, this flaming meteor of a Jericho racing past and it singes just the, the, just the edges of his beard and his hair.
And he’s like, what was that? And Hermes is like, that’s what, what’s what I’m talking about. Helios has gone crazy. The chariot is out of [00:26:00] control. You’ve got to do something or it will destroy the world and the heavens too. And so Zeus is like, my goodness, he has gone crazy. Has he had too much wine to imbibe, too much ambrosia?
In any case, I must do something. Give me my thunderbolts. And so immediately, you know, Hermes, uh, reappears with the thunderbolts. And the chariot goes past one more time and starts heading down to earth. And Zeus is like, do I take this one? Do I take that one too? Oh, it’s been a while since I’ve used this one.
So he takes out his thunderbolt and he’s like, one side Hermes. I don’t want you to ruin my aim. And Hermes is like, hit him! And so Zeus is like, there we go! And so the thunderbolt goes racing across the sky, faster than the chariot itself, and it hits the driver. Unknown to Zeus, the driver is not Helios, but the driver is indeed Phaethon.
It hits the driver, it explodes the chariot, um, into a thousand pieces. And so the horses go galloping in all kinds of directions, [00:27:00] uh, the chariot is no more, and Phython, Phython goes plummeting down to, down to earth like, like, like a smashed ember, um, burning, burning, burning, burning down until he and the remains of the chariot Crush against the mountains of the earth and some sort of like desolate cavernous terrain or valley somewhere.
And that is the end of the radiant one. And so the horses show up gradually, uh, in the Western gate where they always are. And Helios comes and he gathers them and, um, makes his apologies to Zeus and Zeus says, well, you know, I’ve had sons of my own. So I know what you’re talking about. They always get into mischief.
And so, uh, once, and, and the, uh, chariot reappears, and Helios is able to go on his way. And Phythod lives on in the memories of all of us who remember that, that terrifying day when the sun ran out of [00:28:00] control in the skies above us. There are two maxims that are written on the Temple of Delphi. The Temple of Delphi is where you went and you received a prophecy from Apollo, the god of prophecy.
And there were two maxims that were written on this temple. And the two maxims were know thyself and nothing in excess. These are two wonderful maxims for us to keep in mind when talking about the sun in the horoscope. You don’t want to lose control of the reins of your horoscope. The planets are like a team of horses. A team of horses that will run away with your chart if you don’t work with them properly.
So let’s return back to the Sun and Jupiter Square.
The Sun and Jupiter Square is often interpreted as bringing some kind of hubris, some sort of haughty sense of self, or eyes being larger than your stomach, [00:29:00] uh, based on good fortune smiling in your direction. But as I said before, there’s a bit more to that than, than, than is often, uh, shared.
Jupiter is the planet of good fortune, and when Jupiter smiles in your direction, it can be, in a sense, to bless you with good fortune, so we smile, or rather purr like a cat back. But it’s also Jupiter charging you with a calling in your life, and the calling in your life is to exercise, that good fortune in your life on others.
In other words, the phrase good begets good or, um, the idea of paying it forward. It’s a very Jupiterian thing that if good fortune happens to you, it’s good for you to pass that good fortune. on to share it with someone else. That might be through kindly, works or charitable acts, but it might be in simple day [00:30:00] to day exchanges.
When Tony Bennett, the singer Tony Bennett, who by the way is a Leo, a child of the sun, and so that’s The singing of course, that’s the arts and also he had a love of the arts. He painted every day. So arts and entertainment, two things very much associated with Leo are very much associated with the late Tony Bennett, who was a very famous and beautiful and a singer.
When he passed away and, and, and it was very sad. I mean, I’ve never been a huge Tony Bennett fan per se, but I liked his music and I liked his, his, his voice. There was something that was very lovely and warming about, about his delivery. And actually, he was a really great storyteller, uh, when he, uh, when he sang, but There was this video clip that they were showing, I think it was from, um, 2011.
It’s from 2011, uh, when Bennett had [00:31:00] flown to London to record, uh, the old standard body and soul with Amy Winehouse, which was to be featured on his, uh, CD, uh, Duets to the Greatest Hits. And so there was a lot of partnering that Bennett was doing, uh, in, in the latter, uh, years of his life, which was wonderful.
He was partnering with Sting, I think, and he partnered well, well with a number of different people, but he partnered with, uh, I think Queen Latifah. And on this particular track, he was going to partner with Amy Winehouse. Now, I don’t know if you’re familiar with Amy Winehouse. Uh, Amy Winehouse is, I have to say, one of my favorite singers.
Okay, there’s um, like Billie Holiday, there’s an art and a pain to her voice and her music. A wildness, a rawness that you just It comes along once in, I don’t know, a thousand artists [00:32:00] or a hundred thousand artists, it’s just, it’s there, you know, and, um, and she was very much, um, excited to work with him and nervous about working with him.
And, as you know the story of Amy Winehouse, she was battling with addiction, um, at the same time. Um, so, so there’s this wonderful clip of the two of them. And they’re, it’s pretty much the rehearsal of, of, of body and soul. And, and she’s coming in dreadfully. I mean, she’s not getting it right. And she’s getting more and more nervous.
She was a Virgo. She’s getting more and more nervous and agitated and depressed and apologetic and, and really frustrated and, and, and angry with herself. And at one point, the studio engineer tries to intervene and, and Tony Bennett says, no, no, no. leave it between her and me. Leave it between us. And he starts to talk to her and he’s like, you know, [00:33:00] uh, what are you so nervous about?
And she’s like, Oh, you know, it’s like, I’ve always worshiped you and I’m in front of you and I just, I’m blowing this and the orchestra, you know, uh, the time, the money that’s being spent on them. I just, I just feel so bad. And he’s like, well, okay, but the orchestra’s here. They’re here for the time that they’re here.
And she’s like, yeah, but you know, I’m wasting their time. I’m wasting your time. And he’s like, And, and Tony Bennett says to her, well, are you in a hurry? You know? And she’s like, no, not in a hurry. And he’s like, okay, then what’s the rush. And, um, she’s like, and he’s like. Hey, um, you were influenced by Dinah Washington a little, huh?
And she just stops and she looks at him. She’s like, yes, yes, I was. I love Dinah Washington. Dinah Washington’s one of my favorite singers a little. I mean, I, I, I love her. And he was like, you know, I, I knew Dinah Washington. And she’s like, of course you did. [00:34:00] Of course you knew Dinah Washington. What was she like?
And he was like, oh, she was an extraordinary artist, you know? You know, she used to come to Vegas, just with two suitcases that were packed full of her clothes. I mean, she wasn’t booked, you know, there was no gig that she was there. She just sort of like come to Vegas, uh, whenever she wanted to with these two suitcases.
And, and she’d be like, you know, I’m here boss, you know, and immediately, uh, you know, it didn’t matter what act was up or whatever. They would immediately make time for Dinah Washington for her to sing. And when Lorde got out. You know, that Dinah Washington was in town and she was usually in town like that one night, you know, when word got out that Dinah Washington was in town, they came to wherever she was, whatever club she was playing, you know, and, and they, and it was full.
It was absolutely, uh, sold out. Uh, you, you couldn’t get in, you know, and Amy Winehouse is like, of course, of course it was like that. I would have loved to have been there. And he’s like, [00:35:00] Oh, she was wonderful. She was wonderful. And, uh, and, uh, she, she just. sang from the soul and, and Amy Winehouse is like, she died young, didn’t she?
Like, I don’t even think she was 40. She was like 39 or something like that. And he’s like, yeah, yeah, she died young, but she was a great singer. She was a great talent. You know, and Amy Winehouse at that moment, um, you know, she, she, she’s like, she’s ready to go. She’s, she’s, she’s heard the story of Dinah Washington and she’s kind of connected to the story and to her and her memories of her.
And she’s ready to try the track again. And, um, and she does it. And if you’ve ever heard their rendition of Body and Soul, it’s, it’s a must, it’s a must hear. It’s just, really amazing. And of course, uh, three months later, before, she could appear in public with him, she, she died, um, of, of, of addiction [00:36:00] abuse.
And, um, and he always said after that, You know, I wished I had said to her what Lenny Bruce’s manager had said to me when I was going through a rough period. Actually, Tony Bennett did go through a rough period. He was, he, he had a drug habit and, I think it was cocaine and maybe marijuana or something like that.
And, you know, one to one to balance the other. Right. And, um, and, and he said, I wish I had said to her, what Lenny Bruce’s manager had said to me that what you’re doing. Thank you. You know, with, with the, uh, addiction. Um, that what you’re doing is a sin against your talent. You know, I wish I had said that to her, but you know what?
On second thought, maybe I should have said to her what Sinatra said to me, which was, Hey, buddy. Slow down. Slow down. You know, you don’t have to, there’s no rush to, to do all this. Slow down and take care of yourself. And the reason I tell [00:37:00] this story is twofold. The first is that Amy Winehouse, and you can see it in this exchange that they’re having in the studio, is clearly not in control.
Of the horses, you know, she does not have a tight grip on the reins of the horses that are drawing her chariot, you know that they have gotten out ahead of her and that she is being pulled along with them and it manifests in this moment where she’s singing flat or off or whatever. And, and she is so frustrated and she’s so angry and she really honestly looks like she’s going to get up and leave the studio.
Okay, and he stops her, and it’s his gentleness. It’s that solar warmth that he generates, you know, it’s that sharing of a story of someone that he suspects she’s influenced by. I mean, you can hear it. He could hear, he knew it, you know, and he tells her a story that centers her and brings her around again.
It’s [00:38:00] almost like he grabs a hold of the reins of the horses and brings them to a stop. And she responds to him, and she responds to him with this amazing. rehearsal, this amazing recording that they do together. And he said, you know, Afterwards, he said she had this wildness about her that, that you see with artists like Billie Holiday, where, you know, he said there are lots of singers who are very practiced and, uh, you’re going to get a solid, smooth, consistent performance and it’s going to be a great performance, but then there are singers, there are artists who are always pushing it, they’re always taking risks, they’re always experimenting or playing with the sound, you know, and he said that.
was what you had with Amy Winehouse. Someone who just, it wasn’t going to be the same thing twice. She was going to play and experiment, invent and push or maybe even draw [00:39:00] back, you know, and he said there’s a genius to that. There’s a beauty to that and you’re just never going to hear that again, you know, and so there’s a great sadness and this idea of paying it forward, you know, if you’ve had good giving that good to someone else.
It’s very jupiterian. It’s very Jupiter, which is the beginning of good fortune in this world. And here’s someone who was of an age and older than this kid, who is able to share this with her and to really make her day. And, and, and he does, but when we also, or in addition to this, I should say, when we pay that good forward, that good comes back and it helps us as well, you know, and it puts me in mind of how.
Um, in, in 2021, um, I think it was a year after they had recorded an album together, Lady Gaga [00:40:00] and Tony Bennett played Carnegie Hall. I think it was August, around his birthday in 2021. And this is when it also became known that Tony Bennett had been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, five years earlier. And so, um, Lady Gaga had already done a recording with him, um, of, you know, standards, you know, and it’s a fabulous recording.
But she had rehearsed with him before their, their performance. And he never. called her Lady Gaga. He’d be like, yeah, hey, you know, that’s great. It’s wonderful to see you. And she, she suspected right away. He didn’t know her name. He might not even have known who she was. And, um, except that he knew that he was singing and that Nothing foggy about that.
He could do that in an instant. You know, he knew the words, he knew where he was in a song, and he could do that. But she was [00:41:00] worried. She was worried that what if he came on stage and just went blank? And that was it. You know, and so they start the show and she does the first act. She’s doing Lady Gaga music and things like this and the crowd’s going crazy.
And so they do an intermission and the curtain comes up on him and she’s on the side of the stage smiling and the curtain comes up on him and he takes his bow to sold out packed house at Carnegie Hall. Okay. I mean, what do you with your life? And, um, and he turns to her and he says, and here’s Lady Gaga.
And that was the first time he had said her name, you know, and, and, and if you see the clip of it, she’s just radiant. She’s, she’s, the smile of radiance comes over, you know, and she does it like a little circle and he’s like, Hey, do that again. You look lovely when you do that. And she does it again. She does this like a little circle in place and they begin their set.[00:42:00]
And, um, It’s a wonderful, wonderful thing to see. It’s a wonderful, wonderful thing to hear. But what she says is at the end of the set, she comes at the end of the second act. Okay. At the end of their performance, she comes over to him and she whispers in his ear, would it be all right if I escorted you off the stage?
And he’s like, yeah, baby, you know? And so she takes his hand. And she leads him, almost like the reins of a horse. She leads him off the stage, smiling, and the crowd is going crazy and he’s just ebullient. And she had led him off the stage the last time he would ever perform on stage. And like he, what he had done for Amy Winehouse, you know, taking the horse by the reins and, [00:43:00] and calming her, you know, Lady Gaga had seen, you know, that he might not have known how to get off the stage, that he might be dis, disoriented.
And so she asks permission, he ascends, and she takes him and she leads him off the stage, you know, and this is the, this is the message that I want to share with you of a Jupiter Saturn square. Yes, it could be maybe hubris and, and yes, it could be, maybe eyes being bigger than the stomach, but what it can also bring, what it can also bring is, This instrument being transformed into an instrument of good fortune, of transmitting the good to another.
And then maybe one day, like Tony Bennett had reached in his life, one day, when he wasn’t in charge of [00:44:00] his chariot, someone taking it by the reins and doing good and leading him to the next place.
Giving back is the great message of Jupiter, because that’s how the planet of good begets good in the world.
That’s something to think about this August 6th when the sun squares Jupiter in the sky.