The gift of turning your wounds into your gifts
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Leslie Tagorda is going to help usher us through this critical time with grace, and understand why our Chiron wounds of belonging, acceptance and wholeness are so critical to who we’re meant to be and what we’re supposed to contribute to this world.
“Chiron is the wounded healer”…we hear it all the time, but Chiron is also the wounded leader, and that theme has been heavily highlighted since mid-February and it will be present through April and beyond.
Are you ready to embrace your vulnerabilities and step into your true leadership potential? Discover how the power of astrology and Chiron’s wisdom can help you transform your wounds into healing for yourself…and others!
Astrology helps you answer “know thyself,” while Chiron adds, “know and use your own wounds to heal others.” This wisdom comes from today’s Astrology Hub guest, expert brand astrologer Leslie Tagorda.
Each one of us holds unique Chiron stories within us. Now, more than ever lies the opportunity to embrace these stories and step into the luminous leader you were always meant to be.
In today’s episode and in her Astrology Hub debut, Leslie Tagorda is going to help usher us through this critical time with grace and understand why our Chiron wounds of belonging, acceptance, and wholeness are so essential to who we’re meant to be and what we’re supposed to contribute to this world.
In this episode, you’ll learn;
🔗 How astrology and branding connect
♾️ The cross-section between the vulnerable leader and the wounded leader
🌑 Why the April eclipse will be so pivotal to this Chiron transit
🌱 How Pluto in Aquarius will make our Chiron story soil fertile
✨ Entering the era of collective leadership
🔭 How to stretch into the constructive conflict of Aries
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Guest Bios:
Leslie Tagorda is a renowned brand and leadership astrologer, designer, podcast host, and author, Creator of the AstroBrand® Method. As an Aquarius (Sun), Sagittarius (Moon), Gemini (Rising), and Human Design Projector, Leslie guides visionary spiritual entrepreneurs and social impact makers on their spiritual journey through their work, helping them achieve star-charted success. Go to https://starpowered.com/ for more information.
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Transcript:
Leslie Tagorda: [00:00:00] When we think about the Buddha leader, we can go straight to this like a definition of like a wild animal who was hurt and trapped and all of a sudden they’re reacting and they’re lashing out and we can see this in the world stage of so many different leaders who are grabbing for power. That is not what I mean by wounded leader.
What I mean by wounded leader, and maybe Brene Brown, you know, she’s a, um, she talks about shame and she talks about dare to lead. She has so many wonderful books on leadership. She talks about the vulnerable leader. And to me, there’s a cross section between the vulnerable leader and the wounded leader, where the wounded leader is someone who’s through their lived experiences have, um, have gone through challenges, have gone, have not only gone through challenges, but have done everything in their power to overcome, to face those challenges.[00:01:00]
And in that respect, they’ve learned empathy, they’ve learned courage, they’ve learned vulnerability, and The kicker here to be a true vulnerable leader or wounded leader is them to not be afraid to share their challenges to take the shame and the stigma away from their challenges but to Press those because they’re not liabilities, they’re gifts.
Amanda Walsh: Welcome to the Astrology Hub Podcast. I’m Amanda Poole Walsh, founder of Astrology Hub and your host for our flagship show. We explore the many ways astrology can support you and your relationships, career, health and personal growth. Thanks for tuning in. Together, we are standing at a really crucial threshold, and this is a threshold that we’ve been in since.
Mid February, [00:02:00] 2024, when Chiron was conjunct the North Node in Aries, and will remain in this threshold through April and beyond, because Chiron will be conjunct the big solar eclipse that we’ll be having in Aries on April. Chiron’s placement in the skies is underscoring themes of healing, stepping up to become the leaders of our lives, and spotlighting the contribution that we’re here to make, especially through the challenging things.
For those of you who don’t know me, my name is Amanda Pua Walsh, and I’m the founder of Astrology Have, and here to help usher us through this critical time with grace, we have the lovely and renowned brand and leadership astrologer, Leslie Tagorda. hub podcast debut today. She is also expand guide for the upcoming Aries lunar [00:03:00] cycle.
Leslie brings a truly unique perspective to astrology and her mission is to illuminate your natural radiance through astrology’s wisdom, empowering you to reach your fullest potential and step into the role of the luminary leader. You were always meant to be Leslie. I love that. Luminary leader. It’s beautiful.
Inner circle members. You can look forward to a mastery class from Leslie called Chiron, the wounded leader turning your Chiron challenges into gifts of contribution. In this class, you’ll get a deep dive into Chiron through all of the houses and signs. So you can learn how to step more fully into your calling by understanding Chiron’s placement in your chart.
If you are not in a member of the inner circle yet, but you’d love to get your hands on this mastery class, you will have an opportunity to join us in the membership during our [00:04:00] upcoming promotional period, which is beginning here very shortly twice per year for the inner circle at 40 percent off the regular price.
And we’re approaching that threshold later this month. Make sure you’re on the wait list so you’re the first to know when it’s promotional. period starts. Just go to astrologyhub. com slash waitlist to get on that list. Now we’ll also drop the link into the show notes. All right, Leslie, welcome to the podcast.
I am so excited to introduce you to the astrology community. Thank you being
Leslie Tagorda: here. Hello, Amanda. Thank you for inviting me. This is just wonderful. So excited to be here. All
Amanda Walsh: right. Well, one thing that we always do, this is kind of tradition at Astrology Hub is when you’re making your podcast debut, we got to hear your story.
How did you come to astrology and especially this idea of brand astrology and or [00:05:00] leadership focused astrology? Tell us a little bit about your story.
Leslie Tagorda: Thank you for asking because my, my journey into astrology is actually really tied into my Chiron story and I’m going to try to make it as short as possible, but you’ll need all the dips in the valleys to understand and maybe connect the dots to your own Chiron story.
But I was born and raised in Hawaii. I am multiracial. My dad is Filipino. My mom is Jewish. And growing up in Hawaii in the late seventies and the late eighties, I was always really conscious. of not being brown enough for my Filipino family, not being white enough for my Jewish family. And then my mom remarried, and she remarried an Okinawan man when I was really young.
And my Okinawan family loved me, but there was clearly a difference in what we looked like. So I was always [00:06:00] code switching, being that chameleon, and trying to figure out, who am I? A lifelong question of who am I? Now, it’s very typical, right? When you’re really little, your parents or your teachers might ask you, want to be?
Now, not so much anymore, but when we were little, that was the question. What do you want to be? I always knew that I wanted to study the stars. I had no idea that one could be an astrologer, so I actually went to college, um, to study astronomy. I had a double major in astronomy and music. Now, the reason why I say that is because even as I went into, you know, I, um, grew up in Hawaii and I studied and I was doing all of these different things, being a classical musician, learning, learning astronomy and going down that path.
I always felt like I couldn’t be myself. I was always trying to fit into these like really rigid definitions of what a good musician would be like, what a good girl would be like, [00:07:00] what a good student would be like, never giving myself that space. Fast forward to the dot com. I moved to San Francisco because I wanted to explore myself and where better, a better place in the world to go.
I’m going to talk a little bit about how to explore yourself at the city of San Francisco, where everyone is accepted and everyone belongs. By the time I jumped into technology and Aquarius, I love technology. And I learned everything that you could about web design and brand design and instructional design.
All of these pieces that we’re picking up along our path. At first, you don’t understand until you have that kind of grand perspective. And then. I wanted to be a musician again. I’m getting somewhere. I didn’t want to be a poor musician, so I decided to open up my own web and branding business. This was about 20 years ago.
And in that 20 years, I learned everything, all the techniques and all the strategies of how to put together a brand, how to put together a [00:08:00] website, how to present yourself. And we were putting together beautiful brands and beautiful websites, yet my myself and my clients We’re not getting anywhere and simply because we were guessing, we’re like, Oh, this is in trend right now.
Oh, I like this color. Oh, this person is saying this. So I’m going to say that. And when we think about a website for a business or leadership, it is the soul, the identity of that business, of that person. And if we’re just pretending to be somebody we’re not, no matter how beautiful it is. It’s gonna flop.
So fast forward to my Uranus opposition. Um, Uranus opposition also opposite my Chiron. I had a complete identity crisis and I was like, what am I going to do? I hate my business. I want to burn it down. I was going to get ready to like, go work at Starbucks, right? Like that’s, that’s always like the backup plan.
I’m going to go work at [00:09:00] Starbucks. And so, but in that moment, And I, I, I forgot to mention, I’ve been studying astrology throughout this time, just studying on my own, on my own, on my own. I went to my natal chart because when I was in times of crisis, I always go back to my natal chart and say, what is going on?
And when I finally opened up my natal chart at that time of crisis, all my decades of branding, all my decades of trying to find myself, I was like, Oh my gosh, It’s right here. Look, we have the communications director. We have the style director. We have the leadership, the voice, the vision, the purpose, the mission.
I could see it all in the natal chart. And I was like, my mind was blown. And I would say in less than three months, I put together an entire new framework that connects the dots between astrology and branding. And. I changed my business in three short months and ta da, here we are [00:10:00] now, that was in 2018.
Amanda Walsh: Leslie, I love that story. That is amazing and it really does bring us exactly to Chiron and why it’s so important to understand that Chiron. So, would you say in your journey with Chiron, First of all, of course, I am, I am enamored that you grew up in, in Hawaii and in your whole story. You know, there’s a lot of identity issue crisis things happening in these islands.
I know they’re happening everywhere, but it, but that story I think happens a lot for people that to this, not enough, this for that and not too much, this for that. And you know, just not fitting in really anywhere. Right. Yeah. Do I belong? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So that Chiron wound. Of do like, I don’t really fit in anywhere.
How does that drive your desire to work with people to help them step into their own unique brand of leadership and their own unique brand? [00:11:00] Period. Yeah. How does that help you? How does that drive you?
Leslie Tagorda: Oh, absolutely. So one of the things that, you know, Chiron in Aries and Aries in general is who am I? And astrology answers that question, know thyself.
And so when we’re thinking about our leadership and how we present ourselves to make our mark, and that’s what I think of as a brand, it’s that memorable presence and impression that we leave on people. When society or our culture or our family or experiences are saying, well, a leader looks like an older white man in a suit that has a billion
Amanda Walsh: dollars or an ultra
Leslie Tagorda: beautiful influencer on Instagram that I could never possibly look like, right, there’s these And I’m like, I don’t know.
Teeny tiny definitions of what a leader should look like, but what’s happening and we can see this in our natal chart is that there are a million [00:12:00] infinite ways to be a leader. And when we can know ourselves, we can chip away at all of the limiting beliefs and all of those stories that say a leader should look like this.
And we can liberate ourselves from these narrow definitions, we can get to the heart at how we are supposed to lead, how we are supposed to make our mark that is independent of what society or culture or our family tells us. Yes. Yes.
Amanda Walsh: Love this. Okay. Let’s talk a little bit more about Chiron. So we hear all the time.
Chiron’s the wounded healer. Chiron’s the wounded healer. I love your play on this. Chiron’s the wounded leader. Okay. So let’s talk about this. Tell us your perspective on Chiron in general. Then we’ll get to why it’s so important right now.
Leslie Tagorda: Yes, absolutely. Now the wounded leader, you know, I want to define wounded leader a little bit because when we think about the wounded leader, we can go straight to this, like a [00:13:00] definition of like a wild animal who was hurt and trapped.
And all of a sudden, they’re reacting and they’re lashing out. And we can see this. in the world stage of so many different leaders who are grabbing for power. That is not what I mean by wounded leader. What I mean by wounded leader, and maybe Brene Brown, you know, she’s a, um, she talks about shame and she talks about dare to lead.
She has so many wonderful books on leadership. She talks about the vulnerable leader. And to me, there’s a cross section between the vulnerable leader and the wounded leader, where the wounded leader is someone who’s through their lived experiences, have, um, have gone through challenges, have gone, have not only gone through challenges, but have done everything in their power to help others.
Overcome to face those challenges. And in that respect, they’ve learned empathy. They’ve learned [00:14:00] courage. They’ve learned vulnerability. And the kicker here to be a true vulnerable leader or wounded leader is them to not be afraid to share their challenges to take the shame and the stigma away from their challenges, but to express those because they’re not liabilities.
They are gifts. Because when you share your experiences and your crises and not as kind of click bait, but so that you can help others who are going through that path. That to me is what it is to be a true wounded leader. And Chiron’s story and his mythology really outlines all of those archetypal stories within, within each individual.
We all have Chiron’s stories.
Amanda Walsh: It’s so true, Leslie, and I know you’ve experienced this in your work, I’m sure a million times. When we have the courage to share the [00:15:00] challenges, to share the hard parts, to share the less than perfect moments, the less than perfect stories, There’s something that there’s a liberation that happens for people and it there is a ripple and and it’s amazing to me how when, you know, personally, when I share those kinds of things, how much feedback people will say, thank you for sharing that because I thought.
I thought this about you or I assumed this about you, but it’s really nice to know that you go through things to or, you know, we all go through these things. There’s a liberation. So I love this focus. And it’s also what you’re saying about the vulnerable leader is, is It’s something you said before we even went live, which I loved the way that you said this, the leader who has alchemized the experience, the painful experience and turned that pain into gold.
It’s turned that pain into a lesson that they can [00:16:00] share. Do you want to talk a little bit more about that process? Like, how does one actually even do that?
Leslie Tagorda: Yeah. So thinking about, you know, for example, when I shared my story about not knowing who I was and constantly code switching, never feeling like I belonged, never feeling like, um, I knew who I was or that it was okay to even be me because I lived in those gray multi zones.
My gift of self expression was that I had to learn who I was. I had to learn what it meant to present oneself in society in order to make a good impression living in a body that wasn’t accepted, really, just because you’re not, you don’t fit in a box in a certain like category. And so All of the learning lessons that I picked up through the decades from identity and branding [00:17:00] to my own self development work, my own healing journey, the therapy that I went to to get to this place of self acceptance, the commitments that I had to learn to make to my own expression, all of those are like the scar tissue that I am.
That was being created and trying to overcome, you’re not good enough, you don’t belong. And so now, I create spaces of belonging. Now, I help people find their own identities. And, you know, like Chiron, his chironic pain never goes away. That’s why he’s the wounded healer. Like, he can’t heal in himself, but he can heal in others.
There’s still parts of me that don’t feel worthy, that don’t feel like I belong. But then I share those stories and I help people come to terms with them themselves. And when we come to our own terms and know ourselves at this truest, truest [00:18:00] level, there’s a sense of authenticity. There’s a sense of accountability.
There’s a sense of presence that builds. Leadership is all an inside job. It’s not an outside job.
Amanda Walsh: Hmm. And, and I think. People often associate leaders with like, Oh, government leaders or the CEO. Or can you help us define leadership a little bit? Because I have a feeling you don’t mean just those people that we see visibly.
Leslie Tagorda: Exactly. And a leader is anyone who is here to make a difference in the world. Even if you’re here to make a difference with just not just with your family or with your pets or with your community, you are a leader because you’re making a difference in somebody’s world, whether you’re supporting them, whether you’re inspiring them, whether you’re teaching them, whether you’re loving them.
Those are all forms of leadership. And that’s one of the kickers of the [00:19:00] definition. Like, well, I’m not a leader. I simply hold space and invite people to my table. And I’m like, absolutely. You’re a leader.
Amanda Walsh: Exactly. Okay. Why is this relevant now? Let’s talk about the astrology of this moment. Let’s talk about the upcoming astrology, especially when you’re going to be an inner circle astrologer with us.
Tell us why. the emphasis and focus on Chiron.
Leslie Tagorda: Yes, so Chiron plays, but even since last year, Chiron has been playing a big role in like all of the new nations and this year playing such a deep role, um, with the Chiron North Node conjunction that we just had earlier this week as we’re recording, and then the Eclipse, um, I, um, it’s so interesting.
We’re both from Hawaii, right? And so when I was thinking about the The transit that I’m personally looking at for entrepreneurs and change makers, I’m thinking of them as like a lay, a lay of transit that [00:20:00] started with Pluto moving into Aquarius. Then, then we had that new moon in Aquarius there, and then we have the North Node Chiron conjunction.
Then we have the eclipse, then we have the Uranus. Um, your honest Jupiter conjunction to me. These are all an on ramp that we’re opening up to now. It’s not to say that we haven’t been opening up to this new kind of collective leadership. I call this personally for me. And in my work, I call this changing the faces of leadership.
And what I see in leadership is that the old top down leadership that was like in Capricorn, like Pluto and Capricorn is being dismantled. Still, we’re not quite done with that. Um, this kind of idea of top down leadership is going away. And what is happening is that we are creating a new area of leadership that.
existed many millennia ago when [00:21:00] leadership was more communal, more tribal, more everybody who, you know, each one of us has our own expert expertise. We come together and contribute our own expertise. Um, I was reading this thing, um, uh, from Harvard, um, from Harvard Law School that was talking about collective leadership and Harvard Law School say collective leadership Outmoded top down leadership with a process that empowers the most knowledgeable experts to make decisions.
And each one of us is an expert simply through our lived experiences. We don’t need a PhD. We don’t need a certification. We don’t need all of these things that we think that we need to be a leader.
Amanda Walsh: Interesting, Leslie. Yeah, I love it. Keep going.
Leslie Tagorda: Oh, so that’s part of our personal wisdom that contributes to our [00:22:00] expertise.
And when we can get comfortable and say, and not comfortable, but accept and look at all the things that we’ve lived through and say, Oh yeah, I am an expert. That is that alchemy, that gift of, um, turning your Chiron wounds into your Chiron gifts.
Amanda Walsh: And it begins with that know thyself that you talked about earlier, right?
Because the only way for you to claim, I am an expert at this. My, my lived experience, my education, my training, my, my life has prepared me for this. So I. I can claim the leadership in this. Area of life and allow you to claim leadership in that area of life and together when we’re both doing that, we’re creating something even more amazing.
Leslie Tagorda: It
Amanda Walsh: starts with that. Know thyself, right? Because if you don’t know [00:23:00] your unique wiring and your what, because Leslie, do you find that people often dismiss the thing that they’re naturally good at the thing that they’re wired for?
Leslie Tagorda: Absolutely. I always tell my clients, when you’re dismissing your natural talents and gifts, you’re essentially giving a big middle finger to the universe, not being grateful and not using your, your gifts, your star charting gifts.
Amanda Walsh: Well, I think it’s, I, and I, and everybody like hear this because I think this is universal. I, you run into it everywhere where those things that come easy for you that you think, oh yeah, well, but everyone can do this or, oh yeah, well, but. Like, that’s no big deal. That’s actually probably a huge clue for you that that’s something that is very unique to you.
Yes. Because the assumption that everyone can do it is a signpost, right?
Leslie Tagorda: Oh, my gosh. [00:24:00] You totally nailed it right there. Um, going back, I think I didn’t fully answer your original question about why now. Yes. Yes. Okay. You know, as Pluto is moving into Aquarius, um, Aquarius now is about social structures. It’s about humanity.
It’s about bringing people together. What is just for all of us? Um, equity, equality, diversity. And so we can be afraid of the typical Pluto death and destruction and dismantling of it. Of shadows of some of our current social structures, like social media that has gone, you know, that can be so destructive sometimes can be super helpful, but sometimes it’s a double edged sword.
Um, these kinds of like high tech bros, even an AI and like kind of some of the shadows of those things that Pluto is going to really. bring to the present. But what’s going to come out of that is [00:25:00] this diversity of leaders and everybody coming forward as a society, that collective leadership to move things forward.
And so that Pluto and Aquarius is definitely heralding in making some fertile soil for this to come through. And then the North Node. and Chiron meeting up, um, and being in Orb, as you say, until like, until April. This is really all for us to come to terms with understanding who am I and being really accepting and loving and gracious to all the ways that You know, knowing our superpowers, not dismissing them, knowing our pains, not feeling shame, all of those and saying, Okay, I’m going to stand in and step up with this kind of leadership.
And so that’s that Chiron and North node. When we get to that eclipse. This is going to be our quantum leap into that quantum. It’s [00:26:00] a north node eclipse. So we are leaping forward into a new soul consciousness for humanity. Um, you know, We can set that intention of what we want to create. And if I see, if I could create and paint the vision of a utopia in the world, I would see everybody contributing their very best, knowing who they are meant to be, and not feeling shame around
Amanda Walsh: that.
I love this, Leslie. And yes, this North Note eclipse on April. In Aries conjunct Chiron, right? So Chiron is like taking center stage in this. So you’re saying it’s a, it is a quantum shift in collective consciousness and that leadership is in the spotlight and how we lead and how we contribute our own gifts
Leslie Tagorda: is, is.
The biggest theme [00:27:00] around this eclipse. Yes, how we are, like how we are our best selves and how we contribute that into the collective. Wow.
Amanda Walsh: That’s an interesting reframe to that being our best selves is leadership. That we don’t have to be a quote unquote dubbed leader, but being the best version of ourselves is leadership because it’s, it’s leading others to do the same thing.
And like you just said about this utopian vision, which I think so many of us hold because I think it is really the design that we’re meant to help usher in is that we’re all aware of owning, embracing and contributing our unique gifts and giving space for other people to do that too, in their own unique way.
And when we do that, everything works?
Leslie Tagorda: Everything is so easeful when we do that.
Amanda Walsh: I love it. What are the traps? Like, where, where do you see, like, why isn’t this, why is this so hard for us? Why can’t we just [00:28:00] do that? Right? And where, where is our collective Chiron wounding showing up? And making it hard. Where is potentially our individual chiron wounding showing up and making this hard and how can we become more aware of those things so we can continue to alchemize them and step into that higher version?
Leslie Tagorda: Oh, such a deep question. I hope I can, I can touch on each of those points. Um, you know, thinking about like, Collectively right now with the South Node, I think that this is also really confusing with the North Node in Ares and the South Node in Libra at this time, we put so much shadow on Ares, right? The hyper individuality, the, um, the warrior and the fight aspect,
Amanda Walsh: the, um, The
Leslie Tagorda: put me first kind of selfishness, those shadows of Aries.
And so sometimes it’s really hard for us to see like, Oh, well, what are the benefits [00:29:00] of Aries? And how can we stretch into that? The highest of Aries is to be our best selves, to know ourselves and that self knowledge that keeps us trapped, that we need to really look at and face. take apart are the shadows of Libra.
And the shadows of Libra are not collaboration. The shadows of Libra are people pleasing, keeping the peace, right? Keeping the peace at a certain point can dip into the shadows because when you’re trying to keep the peace and like make sure that no ruffles, no feathers are ruffled, there’s just inaction.
Nothing changes. And so we need a little bit of healthy, constructive conflict that Aries gives us to move things forward. And so noticing in ourselves where do we continue to keep the peace, um, not change the [00:30:00] status quo, to be the doormat, um, to do that people pleasing. Yesterday, my son, I have an eight year old son, and there’s been this, and my son is a big kid, he’s like the tallest in his class, and he’s so sweet and so gentle because we’ve really raised him to be this kind hearted person.
Always do good. There’s in class a new, a new little kid and he has some behavior issues and he unprovoked, unprovoked all the time hit my son. Now, this doesn’t physically hurt my son and my son, but my son gets really frustrated because He’s like, why is this kid hitting me? And he doesn’t want to push back because he’s, we’ve taught him to not push back.
And so teaching him how to use his words, like don’t touch me and putting your arms out to create space. My son was like, no, I don’t want to do that. That’s mean. That’s mean. [00:31:00] And so that’s almost like the shadows of that South Node in Libra because he’s gone too far into keeping the peace. and the people pleasing where now he’s not protecting and creating boundaries for himself.
And so that South Node in Libra, that story with my son, we can all probably relate to that somehow where we’re keeping the peace in relation. The ships that maybe don’t deserve a piece. We need some countries.
Amanda Walsh: Well, and I think this comes up to in, you know, it’s not always that we’re being provoked, right?
Or not always that we’re being shoved, which sometimes we are, but sometimes it’s just a, a, uh, a relationship that. is no longer serving either party. It’s no longer serving in the way that it once was. And that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad or the other person’s wrong or, or doing anything wrong. It’s just time to move on.[00:32:00]
Yeah. And it seems like that could be another shadow of Lee, you know, the Libra desire to keep things peaceful and keep things. Yes, I do not want to hurt feelings for sure. Yeah. Wow. Any other, any other shadows that you think or any other challenges that you think are going to be particularly highlighted during this eclipse period?
And before you answer that question, we, this eclipse period that we’re about to enter into in March. is so important and so pivotal and so, um, such a big part of the astrology this year that we’re offering a series of eclipse events all free for our community to, and it will have different astrologers like, like Leslie.
Giving us some more guidance and more insight so we can really use the opportunity that’s provided for us. More on that later. We’re going to open up registration for our whole entire Eclipse, uh, experience that we’re putting [00:33:00] together. That registration is going to open on March 11th. So just watch your inbox.
But yeah, Leslie, any other, like, things that you think might be particularly highlighted, you know, obviously without knowing individual charts, but for us collectively. Yeah, I
Leslie Tagorda: still have my eye on, um, for, for these eclipses, they’re just, they’re so powerful and Pluto in Aquarius, I’m really having my eye on that Pluto in Aquarius simply because we can get stuck in our bubbles.
And, you know, if we’re thinking about the shadows of social structures, um, We can start to get stuck in these bubbles and continue to hear only one narrative. And so it’s our responsibility, if we’re going to be leaders, if we’re just going to be like good citizens of the world, to, you know, hear so many different perspectives of different stories, to [00:34:00] make our own decisions and not get stuck in, um, in just one kind of narrative.
And So if we can open our hearts and open up our minds to see and to understand and to be empathetic for all different perspectives, we’re going to have an easier time of navigating through, you know, some of the tricky spaces that are coming up this year.
Amanda Walsh: One thing we’ve been practicing. As a community, I’ve mentioned it several times recently because Mark Borax was an astrologer that was on the podcast and he’s one of our inner circle astrologers this year too.
He suggested that the mantra be, for the year, I am here and I see you. And one iteration of that that I’ve been practicing is I hear you and I understand. And it sounds like as we’re, we’re talking about accepting people’s unique gifts, people’s unique [00:35:00] contributions, being willing to see that there’s many different perspectives, even on the same thing, that just having a go to when we find ourselves triggered in any sort of connection with people, or when people are saying something about how they received us and it’s like, Oh no, I didn’t mean it that way.
Or this is what I really meant. And that defense mechanism kicks in. To, to have that go to like, okay, breathe. And just that I hear you and I understand because sometimes that’s all it takes to open up the space for a real level of connection to happen. And when we can’t find phrases like that, when we’re in those moments, it can escalate and then everyone feels more
Leslie Tagorda: disconnected than ever.
Absolutely. I love that. I’m hearing the Mars Pluto opposition. You’re saying that that happens later in the year. We need that, that empathy, that connection, right? Maybe my Gemini rising is like, well, everything can be [00:36:00] true. Exactly. It’s true.
Amanda Walsh: Everything can. Well, astrology kind of shows us not kind of actually shows us that different perspectives on the same thing are like wired into the system.
Like, we’re not all going to see it the same way. We’re not all going to interpret it the same way. We’re not going to think about it the same way. There’s, we all are different fractals of this reality. This
Leslie Tagorda: beautiful reality. We need all those little bits and pieces. Yes, I love that. It makes it shiny and brilliant.
Like a diamond, right? We need all the little pieces.
Amanda Walsh: Totally. Okay, for art and who will be joined in the inner circle in the next couple months, you as a guide, tell us about your mastery class. What are we going to be learning about? Give us some specifics.
Leslie Tagorda: Yes. So we’ll be looking at our personal chyrons and we’ll be laying out kind of our chyron story.
and really taking apart that Chiron story to begin to connect the dots [00:37:00] in all of the different ways that we have been looking to heal our Chiron wounds of belonging, of acceptance, of wholeness. Of, um, of contribution and mentorship and so the Chiron story takes us along a path from when he was rejected at birth all the way to him becoming a mentor and creating a healing temple.
And so we’re going to be mapping our own personal stories to Chiron’s stories so that you can see what your contribution is, what is in your healing temple that you’re meant to
Amanda Walsh: share. Oh my gosh, that is going to be a huge hit. Yes, cannot wait for that. Leslie, thank you so much for being here. This is such a pleasure to meet you and introduce you to the community.
Any final words of wisdom? Because we’re in the beginning of March right now. We’re in the sort of preparation [00:38:00] phase. Like I said in the beginning, we’re in the, we’re walking through a threshold. Any other things we can keep in mind as we’re entering into this powerful eclipse?
Leslie Tagorda: Um, the thing that comes to mind as you say that, again, from one of my son’s books, there is a quote in his book. I wish you more whoo hoo than whoa. So as we’re about to embark on uncertainty, uncertainty can be very fearful. But what if it’s not? What if we can trust ourselves in our own emotional wisdom and security and to have that leap of faith and just have, woohoo,
Amanda Walsh: have some fun with it.
That is so cute. More woohoo than whoa. Whoa. Yes. Yes. Adorable. Okay. Uh, we need, we need more children’s books for adults or, or adults just need to read the children’s books again because there’s [00:39:00] always so much wisdom in there. So much. Yes. Okay. Love it. Leslie. Thank you. And thank you everybody for being here.
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