What if your connection to the stars is more than cosmic influence… what if it's ancestry? In this extraordinary conversation, Amanda Walsh welcomes Ke'oni Hanalei of Pōhala, a keeper of ancient Hawaiian and Mū lineage wisdom, to explore the six star lineages and their role in humanity's spiritual evolution. From the Pleiades, Sirius, and Arcturus to the mysteries of Lyra and the fifth dimension, Ke'oni shares an ancient perspective on where we come from, why we're here, and what it means to transcend our earthly experience.
Discover how the Hawaiian practice of Ho'oponopono teaches that you already belong, why authenticity may be the key to your soul's evolution, and how returning to your heart, embracing self-respect, and releasing attachment can transform the way you experience life, love, and your place in the universe.
🎬 IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR:
00:00 – Meet Ke'Oni Hanale: Ancient Hawaiian Wisdom, Ancestral Lineage & the Power of Spoken Words
07:28 – Feminine & Masculine Energy: Why Belonging Comes Before Self-Expression
09:55 – The 6 Star Lineages Explained: Pleiades, Sirius, Arcturus, Lyra & the Soul's Journey
32:59 – Pathological Reincarnation: Are We Trapped in a Cycle of Returning to Earth?
37:48 – The Ancient Wisdom of Mū: The Creator, the Origins of Love & the Soul's Purpose
43:49 – Entering the 5th Dimension: Are We All Evolving Together?
49:57 – Astrology & Star Lineages: How Your Birth Chart Reveals Your Cosmic Connections
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Ke’oni is a descendant of the ancient Mū people, traced through his maternal line, whose ancestors have lived in the Hawaiian Islands for thousands of years. His maternal grandmother, Kau’ikeonalani, was a well-respected Makaula (mystic) on the island of Maui who helped raise Ke’oni and transmitted archaic, pre-historic knowledge and history often referred to as “Lemuria,” though within his lineage it is more properly known as MŪ. Among the teachings he is noted for is Pua’aehuehu, or Fern Medicine, a practice that ultimately connects to human emotions and to the idea of humanity functioning within an electrical universe as electrical beings. He is also recognized for the ancient Mū spinal art known as ‘ULU, and is the author of the published work “’ULU: Mū-Hawaiian Spinal Technology.”
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“We don't have to earn our belonging.” – Ke’oni Hanalei

Transcript

Amanda: Well, hello everybody, and welcome to The Astrology Hub Podcast. Today, we have a very, very, very special gift. I am so honored to be connecting with Ke'oni Hanalei of Pohala. And Ke'oni is a descendant of the ancient Mu people, traced through his maternal line, whose ancestors have lived in the Hawaiian Islands for thousands of years. Ke'oni also happens to live on Maui, which is where I call home, and I'm just so grateful to have this opportunity to connect with him. And today we're gonna be talking about the star lineages, and from the perspective of the Mu and the Hawaiian lineage, what is our connection to the stars? So I… Ke'oni, I'm so happy that you're here. Thank you for joining us. And I… Just because it's your Astrology Hub debut, I would love to get your backstory to understand how you got to this place where you are actually teaching this lineage to the world.

Introducing Ke'Oni

Ke'Oni: Um, mahalo, Amanda. Thank you so much. Um, I also wanna give a shout-out to our mutual friend, Heather Endworth, who seems to have built a bridge for you and I to have this conversation today. And so I'm really, um, honored to speak on this platform with you. Uh, I appreciate all the work that you do, Sister Amanda. And yeah, as you shared, you know, I live here on Maui. Uh, I was born and raised on Maui by my grandmother, Kauiki Onalani. And, uh, I experienced what is known as a traditional hānai, or a formal adoption by my grandmother. Um, and in the traditional hānai, there's two reasons why you would be hānai'd by an elder, a kupuna, or a different family. It's either to form an alliance, or it's to receive the moʻokūʻauhau, or the genealogy, or the moʻolelo, the story of your family records. And I was, um, uh, hānai'd for that latter, where I was to receive from my grandmother, Kauiki Onalani, the moʻokūʻauhau of my lineage.

And so of course, um, a lot of what I share today is just that. It's what I received from my grandmother. It's a perpetuation of a lot of the ʻike, the knowledge that has been in my ʻohana for 1,017 generations, 20,000 years. Our oli helu, my family's oli helu—and so every Hawaiian has something called an oli helu. The thing to consider though is if every Hawaiian remembers the oli helu. An oli helu is a genealogical chant because Hawaiian was an oral, um, culture where we chanted our records. And the oli helu will document every single generation. My family's oli helu can extend back to 18,000 BC, and we cover 1,017 generations. And so I can really retrieve a lot of the information and data from this oli helu and then present it to all of us, which is something that I just find so… I, I… It's fun in addition to it's really an honor because I'm also honoring my, my ʻohana, my family.

Amanda: It's incredible.

The Power of the Spoken Word

Amanda: Uh, when I… We were speaking before we went live, and I was telling Ke'oni that I had the opportunity and honor to study with a kahuna on the Big Island when I lived there, and it was Auntie Mahealani. And one of the things she taught me, and I'd love to ask you if this is your understanding as well, is that the reasons that the Hawaiians didn't write anything down—not because they couldn't, but because they actually believed that when you write it down, it becomes, like, petrified. Like, it becomes frozen and stagnant, and so that's why they kept the records alive with their voice and with their words and with their chant or their, their song. So is that your understanding as well?

Ke'Oni: Absolutely. And, uh, I love Auntie Mahealani. You know, she was one of the foremost, uh, advocates of true hoʻoponopono as well, and so I'm so happy that we could honor at least her name here today, Auntie Mahealani. But yes, that's correct, you know, because, um, there's a sterility when we place the life force of a word onto, like, a piece of paper or in a symbol. It, it creates a kind of sterility to it. And so all words have mana, and when we speak them, we actually speak the frequency of the word, which is really the purpose of language to begin with. But over time, especially when we come into, like, the modern era and academia, we seem to have lost the value of frequency and vibration, and we seem to be, uh, very fascinated, interested in the sterility of things, which is kind of bizarre, right?

Amanda: Yes. It's so bizarre. Yes. Oh, let's make it sterile. Like, what? No. It's just not good. Oh my gosh, yes. Okay, so and, and you brought up Ho'oponopono, which I would love if we could talk about that too because she was actually the one that helped me understand it and I took her Ho'oponopono Ke Ala classes. But what do you s- yeah, what, could we talk about that? Like, what is Ho'oponopono to you and what is the purpose of it, and how could we actually take some of the principles of it into modern life?

Ke'Oni: Sure, sister. Because ultimately it comes down to how we engage with ourselves, right? We make ourselves a compatible vessel in order to then interact with other people, and so Ho'oponopono always begins with the self. Now, even if we, like, deconstruct or ka'awale the word Ho'oponopono, it can literally mean to make right more right. Nowhere in that word does it say to make wrong right. And so there's not this victim/victimizer because what Ho'oponopono and even what Aunty Mahealani taught, Ho'oponopono Ke Ala, and my ohana, it's, um, Ho'oponopono ‘O Ke Kumu, it's all about acceptance—that we accept that we are spirit greatness, period. Why is this so important? Because this is us affirming that we belong. We don't have to earn our belonging. Because patriarchy teaches us just that, that we have to earn our belonging, whereas true Ho'oponopono, we accept that we are spirit greatness and that we belong, and that perhaps the only thing we get to do here is to express what it's like for us to belong.

Amanda: That is such a key and core orientation. I mean, literally when I think about the difference between what I was exposed to from the beginning, which was that I was born with original sin, so I was born wrong. Like, literally, and I'm not just saying me. I'm saying, you know, anybody who was born into a Catholic or sometimes Christian, not always, but you know, like, and also I think just culturally, like, there's something not right about who you are at the core. Whereas that, Ho'oponopono, it's like, no, actually everything is already right. We are actually just here to make it even more right.

Ke'Oni: Yes.

Amanda: Wow.

Ke'Oni: Yes.

Amanda: What if we engaged with every single person from that orientation? Every sort of conflict or situation in our life from like, okay, this is actually right the way it is right now, and now I can use my agency to make it more right.

Ke'Oni: Yeah. And so we're just here having fun with refining, refinement. It's like this. In, in like Hawaiian culture, right?

The Role of Feminine and Masculine Energies

Ke'Oni: And even going back into Mu culture, the role, if you will, of a mother, the first lesson a mother teaches the child—and this is what we can do internally when we mother ourselves—is the mother teaches the child you belong. That's it. You don't have to earn your belonging. You're already whole. And then from there we can then enjoy proper fathering because the first lesson the father teaches the child is, okay, now express what it's like for you to belong. And that's why masculine energy can be very, um, animated, right? It's very interactive. It's very expressive. Where feminine energy, and that's why they call it Earth Mother, it's the noun. It's the noun. That's feminine energy. We must first land, be established, and then we can express ourselves with masculinity. But notice that it's reversed in patriarchy. It's completely inverted. And so we're trying to start with that masculine and then somehow achieve the feminine when it's actually the other way around. We must first be established and then we express ourselves with our inherent masculine energy.

Amanda: Okay. Amazing. There's so much to unpack in the wisdom here. And what I've always loved is how inherently simple it is at the core. You know, it's not these complex theories. And even in the workshops I would be in, people would want to overcomplicate it. And Auntie Violet would be like, “No, it's actually not that complicated.” You know, like, “No, it actually doesn't have to be.” But you could feel our, like, Western mind coming in and trying to analyze and make it complex.

Ke'Oni: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sister. And I even feel, right, because there has been this era of numbing ourselves, and maybe because there's feelings of being unsafe or insecure, that there's numbing, that we need greater stimulants to make us feel alive. And so we overcomplicate things because we're needing that kind of stimulation, when simplicity, it's subtle. The subtleties of nature, the subtleties is actually where we come into the wholeness, the true view of our experience here. We don't need all these stimulations, all these productions that remind us like, “Oh, okay, I'm alive.”

Amanda: Mm. Mm. Mm.

Star Lineages

Amanda: Okay. Let's talk about the star lineages. And before we even went live, I was telling Ke'oni that my understanding was that the Hawaiians felt a deep connection and, more than a connection, that their ancestry and actually where they came from was the Pleiades. And he was actually helping me understand that some family lineages do connect to the Pleiades, but others connect to other star systems. So can we talk about that? And then how does this, like, how does this relate to everybody? Is everybody connected to a star lineage?

Ke'Oni: Yeah, I would think so. I would—I feel that, and very much so. It just perhaps the Hawaiians have preserved that relationship. Um, but yes, in Hawaiian culture and in Mu culture, our relationship to the stars or the cosmos, they're actual family members. And so of course, we speak to them like they're family members. We receive guidance from them as if they're family members. They're a lineage. Like if we have a celebration, we invite the cosmos, right? We send out the invitations to them as well, and they're really what we would call the Ho'omaka Ana or the genesis of what the composition of humanity truly is.

And there's different star lineages that offer humanity different, I would say, ingredients that create the composition to which we are now. There's actually six primary star lineages, and I'm gonna share the six, uh, primary star lineages, but when I share these, sister, I also want everyone to know that if I'm leaving something out, that doesn't mean, right, that these are the only six star lineages. These just happen to be, um, noteworthy for Hawaiians right now. And we call these star lineages… There's an ancient Mu word that references what these star lineages is, and it's called an ixe, ixe. And if you translate the word ixe, it means junction. It's a junction. And so there's an essence that is born in these star lineages, and then it is delegated and distributed to Earth.

So there's a convergence that happens on Earth, and that's why it's creating the human composition. All of these different ingredients are converging on Earth that creates who and what we are. Now, all these star lineages also offers us what is considered experiments, and we must live out these experiments to honor these lineages. When we complete all those lineages and we are in fluency of all those experiments, we come to the completion event of who and what we are or our transcendence. We get to transcend from this earthly experience.

The very first star lineage, um, and this was very purposeful that this is what is considered the alpha star lineage. And perhaps when I explain to you the experiments, you'll see why. It's what we call Mata Roro, and that's Draco. Draco is the alpha. It is the very first star lineage, and it holds and hosts very specific experiments that humanity is then blessed with, and the experiment is time, ritual, and death. And we can even see that that first star lineage, already it's like, ugh, there may be an aversion, which is not good if we have an aversion to the alpha.

Amanda: Right.

Ke'Oni: We must be open to the alpha. We even see in, you know, uh, modern pop culture that there's a lot of this urban myth around Draco, and the reptilians and all of that, and sometimes I feel like there's some truth to it. There could be. But also, is it purposeful aversion? Hmm, to disconnect us from that alpha energy, right? So time makes a lot of sense, right, Amanda? Like, okay, we're here, and we will engage in time because there needs to be measure. That's what time is. It's measure. And if we're gonna be forms, and we live in a world of material and structure, which Earth is, there has to be time. There has to be time. There has to be measure. And so it blessed us with time. It says, “Okay, now you can create. Be an artist here.” And then ritual, my reasoning with ritual is it's how we archive time.

Amanda: Oh, ooh, yes. Like mark it, right? It's how we mark time. It's how we put bookmarks or we deem certain chapters of life with the rituals, right?

Ke'Oni: Absolutely. And you know, it's all ceremonial. And these rituals are exactly just as you shared. They're markers of how we archive our experience in time. And then death, this thing called death comes up, and one of the more like rational reasons death was also blessed by the Mata Roro lineage is it said, “So you don't get stuck in time.“

Amanda: Wow.

Ke'Oni: So we're gonna offer this thing called impermanence so that you remember that you get to complete all this, not get stuck in it. And so it blessed us with the ceremony of death as well.

Amanda: It's amazing. I mean, there's actual aversions to several of these things. Even ritual itself has been kind of demonized or made dark a little bit. And then of course death, but, like, that's amazing to think that it was actually given as a gift so we don't get stuck. Wow. And you keep saying the word experiment. Is that the way that we think of experiment, or is there a different definition of experiment from this context?

Ke'Oni: Here's the reason why I feel like it's, the way it's been presented to my lineage, right, as experiment, is because it's also based in free will. It's a selection. It's a choice. It's not a mandate. And so we have these experiments, but you can do whatever you want with it. The universe is very diplomatic, but perhaps we will integrate it and fulfill it, but that's not a mandate kinda thing, right? And so it allows it to be as friendly as possible, and specifically with these first three experiments of time, ritual, and death, which just as you shared, there seems to be a lot of aversion to it. And so how can we make those less frightening, right? Make them more, uh, friendly is knowing that it's not a mandate, we get to just observe it, experiment with it, you know, ask it lots of questions, stuff like that. But that would fulfill that first star lineage. So those are ingredients, so to speak, that is now infusing the composition of the human, okay?

Now, the second star lineage, and this is actually a sequence. It's a sequence, and so the second star lineage is only possible because we've honored the first star lineage, which makes sense because time is required for our experience here. Now, with the second star lineage, it's Hokule'a or Arcturus. And because you're, uh, such an astrology, um, uh, buff, you're gonna love this. The experiment of Hokule'a is something called diamond consciousness. And as you know, um, Arcturus is in what the asterism of the diamond of Virgo. And, you know, Virgo energy has a… Actually, Amanda, can you share some of Virgo energy with us?

Amanda: Mm. Uh, discerning, exacting, uh, capable of seeing perfection and really, like, wanting to aim for that, which can make them very, uh, tidy and like wanting things to be right and clean and nice. Because the way I see it is they kinda see the ultimate vision of what it could be, and there's this quest to, like, actually make it so.

Ke'Oni: Yeah. Exacting, distilling, um, detail-oriented. I love that. Love that, sister. Thank you. Yeah, with diamond consciousness, it's basically our brilliance, and with Virgo, Virgo is organizing it.

Amanda: Yes, organizing.

Ke'Oni: There you go, and patterning our brilliance so we can actually produce a result kind of thing. And so after time, ritual, and death has been blessed upon us, now this thing called diamond consciousness, we are gifted brilliance. Like, whoa, I have the capacity to do so much, and I'm gonna get organized so that I can actually produce a kind of result. And that lineages… And they're all governed by elements, too, sister. So Draco is governed by the element of air. That would be considered the very first element is air. And then Hokule'a is fire. It's like diamond consciousness and the diamond of Virgo, it's like an ignition. There's an ignition. And then we come into the third star lineage, which is ‘A'a or Sirius. And this one, too, Amanda, you'll hear a lot of native Hawaiians, just like Auntie Mahealani resonates with Makali'i, you'll hear a lot of native Hawaiians also, uh, claim ‘A'a Sirius is their ancestry. And part of it is because this is the lineage of the cetaceans, of the whales and the dolphins. And I'll explain why. But this is the element of water of course with the whales and the dolphins. But its experiment is sonar. Sonar. Now, only from diamond consciousness, remember this is a sequence, only because of diamond consciousness, we now are gifted the experiment of sonar. And, Amanda, not to put you on the spot, because this can be so poetic too, right, sonar. What's a way to which you could describe what sonar is?

Amanda: Hm. Sound patterns. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, songs, like communication.

Ke'Oni: Yeah. There you go. That communication, because it's from the Sirian star lineage that we can now interact with one another. Because sonar is about how things bounce back to us. How things bounce back to us, and so things become self-reflective. This is where we're really coming to the perception that we are sentient. We are sentient beings, and consciousness itself, whether you ask psychology, philosophy, biology, consciousness means self-reflection. Hmm. It's self-awareness. That's what consciousness… All of these different modalities, they agree that consciousness means that there's self-awareness, and this is what we really come into recognition of with the third star lineage of Sirius. And the cetaceans, you know, the dolphins and the whales, you know, they sing… the whales, right, they sing the same song over and over again their whole life, right? They're consistent. Remember, their predecessor is all about organizing, creating patterns. And so they are singing their song. And if you wanna talk about authenticity, right, they don't falter. They don't say, “Oh, tomorrow it's gonna be too uncomfortable for me to sing my song. I'm gonna sing someone else's song.” No, they sing their song every single day with enjoyment because they don't falter with their authenticity, and this is something that we really affirm in that third star lineage of Sirius. You know, in my culture, we have something called aloha ma, which is self-reflective love. Self-reflective love, and the Sirian star lineage is really, I would say, like a champion of us cultivating an experience that always honors self-reflective love. We are always available for things to bounce back to us, which also means we're completely accountable and responsible for how we engage and interact in this world, which is just so great. So great. ‘Cause I really feel like when I'm in recognition of that, I'm not gonna harm anyone knowing that it's gonna come back to me. Right. And so I'm just not gonna harm at all kinda thing. But when we don't have accountability and responsibility for ourself, when we're just doling out things, that can be what is known as sorcery, and we're not being responsible for how things are gonna bounce back. And the cetaceans, the whales specifically say it's always gonna bounce back to you. Always. And so make sure it's your song. And make sure it's true, and make sure it doesn't harm anyone because otherwise, if it's harm, it's gonna harm you kinda thing.

Amanda: Mm.

Ke'Oni: And that is the element of water. And then we come to the fourth star lineage, which is considered, like, a contemporary star lineage, a contemporary star lineage. It's like the Gen Z lineage. And I think that's why, Amanda, why so many Hawaiians that you engage with will say like, “Oh, yeah, that's, that's my lineage. That's my lineage.” Because it's the most contemporary lineage right now, is Makali'i. Which is interesting, right? Because remember, we still have two more, which means, yay, humanity, we got some growth to do because there's still some other places that we get to visit. But Pleiades is the contemporary lineage right now, and the experiment of Pleiades, or what we call Makali'i, one, it's gonna be very telling when I tell you what the element is. It's earth.

Amanda: Hmm. Hmm.

Ke'Oni: So of course, contemporary, this is where we are. We're in earth, right? And the experiment is very earth-centric, which is materials. Materials. And what I love about the Pleiadian star lineage and the experiment of materials is this is where we learn and enjoy being an artist. It's all about artistry. It's about how can we express ourselves and our translations of this, uh, experience in art, artistry. And, um, you know, with that fourth star lineage and artistry, part of, I would say, the codependency with Pleiades and the fourth star lineage is just that. It's fun to be an artist.

Amanda: Mm.

Ke'Oni: And so we become maybe even codependent with Earth, which means we're not allowing ourselves to maturate into the fifth and the sixth star lineage.

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Ke'Oni: The fifth star lineage… So we're going into uncharted territory, right? ‘Cause now I'm gonna reveal what the fifth element is according to the Mu Hawaiians, and this is one of those things that we're still debating. There's many different, uh, contributions about what exactly is the fifth element. And so I'm not wanting to assign anyone. I am simply reporting on what has been shared in my lineage, but also, Amanda, what feels very true to me, specifically when I, uh, uncover some of the riddles of the fifth star lineage, which is Lyra. It's Lyra. You know what I love, Amanda, too, about Lyra right now is, whoa, all of a sudden out of nowhere, it's a huge conversation. So many people, right?

Amanda: Yes, yes. Someone the other day was just talking about it. I was like, “What is that?” Like, yes, it's definitely in the consciousness.

Ke'Oni: Yeah. It's just like all of a sudden we're all talking about Lyra. We like talking about feline energy. Like all of this, it's because it feels like we're ripe. We're ripe to transition from fourth world into fifth world—which is Lyra. And so that portal has opened. So Lyra, we call Lyra Ke'oi. Ke'oi. Um, and that's a riddle in itself because Ke'oi, if I were to translate Ke'oi into English, it literally means back to you. Back to you. And so we can feel like those four directions, right? North, east, west, south. What's the fifth direction? The center. Back to you. We've gone on tour, Amanda. We've gone on tour with all these star lineages. We've been exploring, we've been curious, and now we're being asked, “Come back to you.“

Amanda: Mm-hmm. Mm. Back to you.

Ke'Oni: Because when we look at Lyra, the constellation of Lyra, and this is how it reveals what the element is and also its dimension, what the fifth dimension is. When we look at Lyra, this is only unique to Lyra. Every single star in Lyra is egg-shaped, even Vega. They're all egg-shaped, and you're like, “Whoa, how come only Lyra?” They're all egg-shaped. Well, it's nicknamed a cluster constellation, meaning that they're so close in proximity to one another that they're actually pulling on one another's diameter, which causes them to be egg-shaped. That's the riddle. The fifth element is gravity. It's gravity. Now, why is this so important? Remember the first element or the first, uh, lineage is time, right? Time. So it seems rational that we would need to reconcile time, and this gives us a different definition of what death is now, right? Because gravity is the only thing we know in this universe that provides us with something called the atemporal, which means not governed by time. So at the very center of any gravitational force, the best example is a black hole. It's atemporal. It's not governed by time. It's the reconciliation of time, which means the fifth dimension is timelessness.

Amanda: Mm.

Ke'Oni: And that is achievable when we select to come back to you. Back to you, meaning each and every one of us is a gravitational force, and that gravitational force is located within our hearts. The very center of a heart, which is actually a muscle, and you can, uh, you can uncoil it. It uncoils as a spiral, and then it'll fold itself back up as a spiral. And in the very center of the heart, it's a blank space which has baffled us for a long time. It's like, that seems so bizarre that there's just a blank space in the middle of the heart. Amanda, it's not blank. That's where the black hole is. But there's no instrument that can actually detect it. We don't have any instrument, man-made instrument, that can detect it. But within our heart is a black hole, which means timelessness exists within us if we choose to come back to you.

And so Aloha Ma, self-reflective love, we must not be in aversion of ourselves, and I would say that one of the greatest disruptors of keeping us locked in a fourth world or in a Pleiadian lineage is self-hatred. Self-hatred. You know, even in, like, what we could call the neo-spiritual community today, there's a lot of cosplay because a lot of, uh, people are being informed by trends. That would be an example of self-rejection. We're trying to live out someone else's truth and then we're obedient to endorsing someone else's truth. That's what academia is. That's what the whole guru catastrophe is. Fifth world is saying you must relinquish yourself from that seduction, that spell, and come back to you, which will then provide us with that fifth dimension of timelessness. Now, remember, we're honoring a hexagram. There's six star lineages, not fifth, because even when we're at the fifth star lineage of Lyra, we're thinking like, “Oh my gosh, we're at the completion event.“

Amanda: We made it.

Ke'Oni: Right, right, right. But then wait, there's… No, there's a sixth. There's a sixth direction? How is there a sixth direction? We already came back to the very center. How is there a sixth direction? Because the sixth direction is what's on the other side of the black hole. What's on the other side of our heart, and that is Crux. Crux. The constellation of Crux. We also call Crux Ala. And in… You may be familiar with that word. In Hawaiian language, Ala just means the path. It is the path, Ala. And Crux, of course, is a circumpolar southern constellation. Well, what do you know? Draco is a circumpolar northern constellation. It is a beautiful, deliberate design. And Crux, its experiment, sister, and remember it's in the shape of a cross, its experiment is resurrection. And so what happens at the Six Star lineage is we are resurrecting at what's on the other side of a black hole.

Amanda: Okay. I have so many questions. This is just… Okay. Are you, like, does this, is this basically the journey of the soul? Like, is this actually the journey that we're on through these different dimensional star lineages?

Ke'Oni: Yes. Yes. And we truly believe that this is a template of—this is the template. This is what the soul is experiencing.

Amanda: Yeah, like the template of reality. Like, reality, with a big R. Like, the template of the soul's path or development.

Ke'Oni: Yep. Yep. Yep. And right now we're at four. Yep. We are at four right now. And that's purposeful. That's purposeful. But what we could consider happening is that we're getting locked in it. There's a codependency with it. Which would make sense too, 'cause once again, remember, it's a place of materials. It's a place of artistry. It's fun to be an artist, but we see ourselves lapsing into transhumanism, which would be fixing us in materialism.

Amanda: Ah.

Ke'Oni: Distancing ourselves of Lyra. And so whatever… and this is why it's such an important conversation and, uh, why I love that people are just like, “Lyra. I don't know. I just wanna talk about Lyra.” I'm like, “Yes. Yes.” We don't even need to know why, but for Lyra to get loud in our field, it's like that gravitational force, right? That is reorienting us once again.

Amanda: Yes. Yes. I literally was at a breakfast with friends and someone was like, “You're Lyran.” I'm like, “What? I'm what?” She's like, “Yeah. No, you, you have Lyran energy.” I'm like, “Oh.” Like, I don't even know what that means, but that's, that's pretty cool.

Pathological Reincarnation

Amanda: Okay. So all right. So we have these different dimensions. Our souls right now that are connected with the Pleiadian sort of experiment. And what you're saying is the potential risk, and this would probably be true at every stop on the soul journey, right? But the one that is a risk here is codependency. So meaning, let me just tell you how I'm understanding what that might mean here. First of all, we can see it reflected in our relationships. So if we're in codependency in different relationships, we're probably stuck in that loop or pattern, right? But codependency with life itself or, like, life as we know it, the Earth as we know it, would be externalizing the, uh, like, thinking our values outside of ourselves. Also, thinking that it's only worth living if we're creating in the material world, if we're having the material world reflected back to us. We're… Also it would be scared to not be here, right? It'd be scared to lose it. And so doing everything to kind of clutch onto it, which might explain our deep fear of what we call death. Right.

Ke'Oni: Right, sister. Right. That's beautifully said, sister. And even let's look at one of the examples, pathological reincarnation.

Amanda: Is pathological reincarnation? That is fascinating. Okay, so like actually reincarnating so many times that it is no longer healthy is what you're… That might be.

Ke'Oni: Right. It's a codependency because we cannot fathom living outside of this construct.

Amanda: Hmm. Mm.

Ke'Oni: This materialistic construct. ‘Cause I share with people who do share about past lives, and my question to that, and it's really a rational question, is, well, we have a huge, vast universe. Why are you always reincarnating on Earth as a human? That's very specific. The math doesn't add up when you think about the vastness of this universe. It's a codependency with the fourth element of earth and the fourth world, and the Pleiadian star lineage. And so we're recycling over and over again because of that codependency. And so how can we release ourselves of that codependency? And everything that you shared, right, that we cannot fathom living outside of a materialistic construct. That's exactly it. That we become codependent with it because otherwise, who are we? What are we?

Amanda: Right. And we're afraid we'll just disappear. Like, we will just, like, not exist.

Ke'Oni: Right.

Amanda: Because we aren't connected with the soul and the eternal soul. I'm not saying everybody listening here. Most people interested in astrology at this point, like, it's hard to deny the presence of the soul and the eternal nature of that. But there's a lot of people in our world that are very disconnected from the soul essence.

Ke'Oni: It's true. And I love that you just addressed that, because there's one way of acknowledging the soul, but there's another one of actually embodying and having relationship with it. Because so quickly in a world of, remember, artistry, sometimes we treat things including ourselves as if it's just decoration.

Amanda: Mm.

Ke'Oni: An ornament. We're not embodying it. And remember, the fifth element of gravity is asking us to come back to our gravitational force, which is our heart, which means absolute embodiment. No longer treating this experience as if it's ornamental, which is just superficiality. And, you know, a big theme coming up too is about the inauthenticity that's occurring right now, but it may be linked to that, that we treat all things, including ourselves and maybe even other people, as if they're just decorative. ‘Cause we live in a world of artistry. But how can we ensure that we're embodying that? Come back. Remember, Lyra, Ke'oi, means back to you. It's as simple as that. Come back to you. Embody. Occupy yourself. Occupy your soul. And the way that it works, right, that atemporal, is we're going through. We have to go through ourselves. And so that can't be accomplished if we're always living in the exterior, or we're in aversion of this.

Amanda: Right. And if we're so distracted and numbed out and scrolling and always outside of ourselves. Have you noticed, Ke'oni? I don't know if you're seeing this but every time you talk about the heart and the fifth element or the, you know, Lyra, a little thumbs up comes up on the Zoom.

Ke'Oni: Noticed that.

Amanda: What is… It's literally consistently happening when you're talking about the heart and coming back to ourselves. I've just noticed the pattern.

The Mu

Amanda: This is fascinating. Is there in your lineage and in Mu… So Mu predates Hawaiian is what I'm understanding. Mu is the original humans, like the first humans on the planet pretty much?

Ke'Oni: Yeah. We would consider it the primary civilization.

Amanda: Right. Okay. Uh, is there a creator? And if so, who is it? What is it? What is its essence?

Ke'Oni: Yeah. So a way that we have endearingly called the Creator, so to speak, is Kameonana Ihana. And Kameonana Ihana is intelligence. It's intelligence. And what's interesting is that intelligence, um, its first thought, so to speak, this is really fascinating, is, um, one, it lives in the intelligence of love. Like our entire universe is the intelligence of love. That's it. It's the intelligence of love. But it had the first thought which also turned into its first problem, which is fine because, you know, having a problem motivates us to actually create a design kinda thing, right? So it makes perfect sense, but its first thought became its first problem, and that is, “I not only wanna be love—I wanna give and receive it as well.” And so this creator, Kameonana Ihana, separated itself from itself so it could love itself, so love can be self-reflective. And that becomes all of our mission here, to ensure that we not only exist as love, but we can receive our own love. Which makes sense that as we come to the fifth star lineage back to you, can you really, not just talk about it, can you really receive your own love? If that is accomplished, then we will resurrect, and we will likely resurrect in a totally different universe because remember, the sixth direction is what's on the other side of the black hole, which is likely a totally different universe.

Amanda: Well, in the whole cross symbology and the, th- this is—it is so fascinating. I mean, really.

Ke'Oni: And also think of it like this, Amanda, with the cross, okay? So if you take a cube, because what's happening is we're all living in a kind of box. As we are gathering all the necessary ingredients or materials, we do live in a box. Okay, a cube. If you unravel the cube, you'll notice it actually has six sides. Mm. The cube unraveled turns into a cross, and it has six sides, which means the cube is actually a hexagram, and that is indicative… Remember, the shape of Crux, the final star lineage, is in the shape of just that. It's the unraveled cube. We are now outside of the box, and we have accomplished all those six sides.

Amanda: Wow.

Ke'Oni: And then we go somewhere that we cannot even fathom. Right, and that's purposeful. Because we have come to know that because of that second star lineage of diamond consciousness, we know how to control. That was one of the downfalls of that second star lineage, is our brilliance. We also were like, “Wait a minute. I can tweak patterns, too.” And so that next, uh, that resurrection, it's unknowable for us, and that's purposeful so we don't distort it. And like Kauiki Onalani, my grandmother… Because here in Hawaii, we can actually see Crux at the horizon during certain times of the year, but most of the Northern Hemisphere, you can't see Crux at all. But my grandmother would say, “See that?” And she'd point at, uh, Ala, at Crux. She'd say, “It actually doesn't exist in this universe.” It's a hologram. It exists in the next universe. The purpose of why it's a beacon here is to give us the Ala, the promise that we don't need to be stuck here. But it itself is a hologram. It actually exists in the next universe.

Amanda: Ke'oni, where would I look for Crux? Like, I mean, I could use my little app, but where is it on the horizon here?

Ke'Oni: Yeah. So I believe it's in, like, March and April. That's where we can see it, and then you wanna look, I believe… I'm trying to think of my coordinates right now. You wanna look northwest. Northwest. But it's just at sunrise. Just at sunrise, for a very short amount of time, and then it disappears. But also feel it like this, um, Amanda, and this is a riddle in itself in that, because we've been functioning very Atlantean for a very long time, and when I say Atlantean, I mean we're north-centric. The calendar, the Gregorian calendar, Greenwich Mean Time, that's all north-centric. And so for a very long time we've been living north-centric. Academia was birthed in the north—which means that we cannot see Crux. Hmm. ‘Cause we're only focused on the north. And so this pole shift that many of us are thinking, like, wait, a pole shift has to happen, right? And then maybe when we have that idea or that download, upload, we think that Earth is literally gonna flip. I believe what that pole shift is simply asking us is to reunite and reintegrate the South Pole with the North Pole, the Southern Hemisphere with the Northern Hemisphere. Because remember, Crux is a circumpolar southern constellation. Notice that a lot of those other lineages are very comfortable in the north, and it's Crux that is saying it's time to reintegrate the Southern Hemisphere as well, and that will be the proper pole shift that I believe brings us into the fifth world.

Amanda: Oh my gosh. Okay. More questions. Is that okay?

Ke'Oni: Sure.

The 5th Space

Amanda: Do we all go into this fifth dimension together, or are there souls that go when they're ready and ripe, and other ones that hang out here in the fourth? I mean, are we all in it together in terms of this, uh, going into this fifth space?

Ke'Oni: I love that question, because I have that same question too. And the way I address it for myself is I remember certain things about this universe. One, the universe is very generous. And I like to remind people of that too, because if you ever feel overpowered or overstimulated, it's simply because the universe is giving you everything all at once. And what the universe is asking you is to make a ho'oku'u hala, a proclamation saying, like, “This is what I'm available for right now.” And once you're able to do that, the universe is like, “You just had to say that. Otherwise, I'm gonna give you everything all at once.” The other thing that the universe is, is it's diplomatic. It's very diplomatic. I don't think the universe endorses this thing called martyrdom. Right? Where if you or I find ourselves at the brink of the fifth world, lean in. Lean in.

Amanda: And are we gonna do that in these bodies, Ke'oni? Or is this literally like what happens when we graduate? Or as, uh, Auntie Mahealani also always used to say, “Change address.” When we change address.

Ke'Oni: Right. Well, having a body is very fourth world, so we need to complete this, and so we must go through the death portal. Yes. And so it's not as if we're gonna just spontaneously vanish. It's we're gonna maximize our experience here in the fourth world and enjoy it and honor it. And then when we go through our supernova, which is the death portal by way of decay, where transhumanism is selling us this product saying, “I'm gonna stop all decay.” Hmm, that also means we no longer qualify for the death portal, which is actually our way to transition beyond the fourth world, right? And so, yeah, maximize our experience here. Make sure that we've lived fully in the fourth world, in this world of material and the Pleiadian star lineage. And remember, I always love to tell people this, 'cause sometimes we can feel like, “Oh my gosh, the fourth world, it seems so stifling.” But also this is where we get to be artists, so why not have fun and enjoy being an artist? Why are we burdened by being artists? That's weird. It's weird to be burdened with the capacity of being able to be an artist.

Amanda: Talk about distortion that's happened around a term if we're actually really here to do that. You know, I love thinking about creating art with our lives, like just the way you live your life. It doesn't mean like you're a painter or you're a photographer or you know what I'm saying? Like, we've reduced it to just, like, a few roles, but that's actually not… I'm guessing that's not the invitation, is to become some sort of fine artist. It's to actually create art with life through the joy of living as authentically as possible.

Ke'Oni: Yeah. Yeah. To be expressive. Remember, proper fathering is to express what it's like to belong. ‘Cause ultimately, what we get to present on the altar of this universe, and perhaps the altar of this planet, right, which is the fourth world, is an artifact, and that is you. That is me. I am the greatest artifact in my life. You are the greatest artifact in your life. This is what we get to present on the altar of this universe, which will qualify us for the transcendence. And so live fully. Live authentically. Ensure that we are maximizing our potential to express love, and that will qualify us for the transcendence.

Amanda: Ke'oni, as you're speaking, I'm like, what is the other thing that keeps us stuck here? It's our attachment to each other, right? Like, I think about my daughters, and I think about my partner, I think about my parents and my siblings and the people in my life that I love, and I don't wanna leave them. Like, I'd rather come back here and hang out with them again if I had to choose between coming back here or going to some place that I don't know what it's all about, right?

Ke'Oni: Yeah. And that's an example, Amanda, of us becoming codependent with the artifacts. All the different artifacts, right? ‘Cause yeah, my family members, they're artifacts as well, and we become codependent, which locks us in the fourth world. Uh, you know, I work with native Hawaiian ferns, and uh, there's something called Pua'ihi'ihi, which is fern medicine. And in different spores of different ferns, they hold the codes of pure human emotion, and this was to ensure that human emotion doesn't become corrupted, and so the ferns volunteer to hold specific emotions. There is a fern called Palai Hinahina, and it's the fern of grief. ‘Cause of course what you're sharing, right, um, about this codependency and what we experience when we cannot possess or covet something anymore. Well, I went to Palai Hinahina, grief, and I, like, had a showdown, right? ‘Cause I, like, I feel like I had lost so much, and I'm just like, “Ugh, you.” You.

Amanda: You're responsible for…

Ke'Oni: Yeah. She was like, “Yes?” And I was like, um, “Why is grief all about loss?” And she says, “Who told you that? Who told you that?” And then I said, “Okay. What is grief?” And she said, “Grief is all about completions.”

Amanda: Oh.

Ke'Oni: “It's about honoring when something or someone is complete. This includes a relationship. This includes a house, an object, a life. We honor that it is complete, and when we can honor that, it's actually a celebration. It's not about agony. It's about celebration.”

Amanda: Wow. I can really feel that. Wow. Um, okay, I have a, like, sort of technical question. I'm, I'm marrying everything that you're speaking of with, like, how we think about astrology, right?

The Role of the Planets

Amanda: So we have these star lineages. There's six of them, main ones. I heard you in the beginning saying there's others, and we're not excluding them, but the six main ones. And where do the planets come in? Because what is the role of the planets? Are they, like, transmitting certain information from these star lineages? How does this work?

Ke'Oni: I believe that the planets in our solar system, right, they, they, um, function like buffers in a way. Buffers. And so, like, a birth chart can tell us how intense or how subtle these star lineages are impacting us personally. And so, for instance, why some people have a real connection with Sirius is because the planets, in a way, it's like playing a game of chess. The planets, in a way, diverted or intensified that experiment at the time of your birth on this planet. And so it can, yeah, it can get very technical and very scientific to see what of these star lineages that you have an intense proclivity with or that you have a very subtle relationship with. But, you know, oftentimes when I just talk with people, I can sort of pick up on things. You know, like, one thing, like, 'cause my grandmother would say there's personality traits of these star lineages. Um, and she would say that one thing about, um, and this is true for me, people who are very connected to Pleiades and have a high intensity of Pleiadian energy because of the chess game that happened in the solar system at the time of birth, is they happen to be comedians.

Amanda: Hmm.

Ke'Oni: They're comedians. And, you know, if you listen to Pleiadian channelers, they're always cracking jokes.

Amanda: Ah.

Ke'Oni: All the different, uh, channelers, like the Arcturian channelers and stuff like that, but the Pleiadian channelers are the ones always cracking jokes. And part of what my grandmother shared about that is she said they are literally down to earth.

Amanda: Ah. Ah.

Ke'Oni: They are literally down to earth. You have someone who's very Arcturian, and an actual personality trait is because they're in diamond consciousness, they are expressing so much data that oftentimes they will turn to the side of you, and they won't make eye contact with you when they talk to you. And that's out of, like, courtesy so they don't blast you. They turn, yeah, they turn to the side of you. And you'll notice this, sister, now that I told you this. You might notice this where people are turning to the side and talking to your side, and that would be indicative that they likely, because of that chess game, have a high intensity of Arcturian energy.

Amanda: That's so funny. So there was a period of time where my daughter was, uh, afraid of sleeping, and so we would sleep outside together. We'd bring a, uh, a mattress out and literally just sleep under the stars. And one night she's like, “Which one's that?” I was like, “Well, that's Arcturus.” And she goes, “Arcturus is my boyfriend.” And I was like… so from then on it was, “Arcturus is my boyfriend.” But she can do that. She can have so much coming out of her that she definitely can do that, like, kind of talking beside you. You not necessarily here.

Ke'Oni: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I always tell people when that happens they're not being rude. It's courteous. They're trying to be courteous so they don't blast you.

Amanda: Exactly. Okay. So for anybody who's like, “Wow, I feel like I might be ready to be on my last incarnation here. Like, I think I'm good. Like, I've done the fourth world?” Am I saying that right? Fourth world? Fourth dimension?

Ke'Oni: Fourth, fourth. Yep. Fourth dimension is time, so yeah, yeah.

Amanda: All right. I'm good with that. I've done it. I would like to see what's on the other side. I would like to transcend and go on the next adventure, whatever that looks like. What would be the most important thing for them to do in this lifetime from your perspective?

Ke'Oni: Authenticity. Authenticity. And this can be a very confrontational thing for all of us to consider, because many of us, we may not be aware that we are actually plagiarists. We're living out someone else's wishes of us or what we think is expected of us, and so we're actually living inauthentically. So the opening of the new doctrines, this is very provocative, but the opening of the new doctrines, it's actually a caution. Like, it doesn't open up with everything is love. It gets to that. It'll get to that, but it opens up with the greatest and likely only sin is inauthenticity. Are you living in sin? We are being confronted if we are living authentically. And so once again, can we come into our own gravitational force? And even think logistically, if I'm plagiarizing someone else, if I'm in academia, if I'm in the guru mentality, I am living in someone else's gravitational force. That is point A, B, and I'm point A. That to which is between me and point B is called distance. Distance needs to be measured. That's what qualifies time. Now all we're doing is creating a lot of time. Non-essential time, which we're all gonna be accountable to reconcile. And so stop creating non-essential time. And the greatest way to ensure we're not creating non-essential time is to exist from your gravitational force and simply express whatever your gravitational force is requesting we express at any given time, and that's how we know that we're living authentically, and that is us becoming compatible for that fifth world.

Amanda: So well said. Why is that so hard? I know.

Ke'Oni: Okay. Can I share my own experience of why it was hard for me, okay?

Amanda: Yes.

Ke'Oni: ‘Cause it is hard. Um, there is a couple decades in my life where the only goal for me was to be liked. Hmm. Was to be liked. And so I was a different person for everyone. I had to repeal, like, “What do they want from me? What do they want from me? What's glamorous? What's not glamorous? Ah.” And so I was a different person everywhere I went with everyone. I was completely disembodied. I was shattered until I realized that there's something more important and even more powerful than being liked, and that's called being respected.

Amanda: Hmm. Mm.

Ke'Oni: Respected. And I knew, 'cause I had great examples, right? Like my grandmother and other things like that, that you garner respect when you're in your gravitational force. Sure, we can call that authenticity, but it's a power. When you notice someone in their gravitational force, you're just like, “I respect you. I don't agree with you. I don't even maybe like the way you look,” things like that, “but I respect you.” And what happens when we respect someone is we can't harm them. We can't harm them, and we just, we'll leave them alone. And this includes that we won't harm ourselves, right? When we respect ourselves, I'm not gonna harm myself anymore. And so I transition from this obsession of needing to be liked into I'm available to be respected, and then that's what I've been in ever since that transition. And before I was respected and my only goal was to be liked, Amanda, I was a drug addict, I was homeless, I became a criminal, and I was incarcerated. That's all called self-destruction, and self-destruction because of that fascination of being liked instead of being respected. And so I just made that shift. I'm available to be respected.

Amanda: I love that. You know, my mom, one of the things she taught me early on was, “Amanda, not everybody's gonna like you.” And I remember just being little, being like, “Oh, why not? Like, that's horrible. How come they won't like me?” You know? But it was also really great because it was like, okay, well, I can just sort of give up that quest of trying to be liked by everybody. But I love what you're saying here, and also the self-destruction. You know, I think there's the extreme examples of some of the things that you did, right? The drugs and all that. That's obvious. But then there's little things that we do that are also self-destructive, like the time when you know you should go to bed because you'll be a better person tomorrow if you do, but then you stay up two hours watching Netflix instead. Or when you eat the thing that you're like, “God, this… I'm gonna feel horrible, but I just want it.” You know? So it's like the instant gratification and the numbing. Like, there's so many different things that we do that are so harmful to self, really. And really showing a lack of respect for ourselves.

Ke'Oni: Yeah. So authenticity. That's it. And that is truly it. And I would encourage everyone, just experiment with it. Play with it. Be like, “You know what? Today, when I go to the store, if someone asks me a question, I'm just gonna be honest,” right? This is a great example. When I was like, “Nope, today is the day I'm gonna follow through with being available to be respected,” I remember I went to the grocery store, and at the grocery store, the person checking me out asked me that question that many of us are asked: “Did you find everything you like?” And in the United States, right, we're so sterile that we're like, “Yep,” even though we didn't, right? And the moment that clerk asked me, “Did you find everything you like?” when I didn't, I'm like, “The time has come. The time has come to be authentic.” And I said, “No, I didn't find everything that I like, but everything I have, I'm happy with. Thank you for asking me.” And Amanda, I'm not exaggerating when I share this. I walked out of that store, that was Foodland, by the way. I walked out of that store crying because I knew I had just changed a pattern, a pathological pattern, and that encouraged me to continue to just be truthful and authentic to where now that's what I just do. You know? Instead of being like I gotta calculate a lie kinda thing. And so it just starts with experimenting with it. Have fun with it.

Amanda: I love that so much. And you know what? That was probably a really refreshing answer for the person. You know what I'm saying? And not that you were doing it for them, you were doing it for you, which is the whole point, but you were also kind. Like, I think sometimes we think of authenticity… it's like there's a chip on the shoulder. Like, “I'm gonna be me, regardless of what you think of me.” It's like, no, it actually doesn't have to have the edge. Like, you can just be you, and not have to have that chip on the shoulder about it. Like, that's just so good. So experiment. So just… and this is great, too, Ke'oni, because we can start to experience where that's uncomfortable. Like, where is it uncomfortable to be authentic? Maybe it is literally in the simple question at the grocery store that we're like, “Oh, God, do I say the thing that everybody says because I don't wanna make waves, because I don't know what they're gonna think, because, you know, I don't wanna deal with any sort of consequences?” You know, all the reasons why we don't express authentically. It's good to at least try it so we can learn and see, “Oh, wow, that's uncomfortable right there. Maybe I should practice that edge, right?“

Ke'Oni: Yeah. Uh, yes, I love the way that you just shared that, Amanda, because ultimately the greatest university for us as creative beings, specifically in the fourth world, is something called trial and error. Trial and error. And so let's all enjoy and make that as friendly as possible. Plus, you'll begin to build relationship with yourself. And my gosh, that is so enlivening. That's how lives become changed—is when we build meaningful relationship with ourself, because now I'm like, “No, nothing's gonna harm this. No, I will not allow it.” And so there are things that I must express, and I must express certain things in certain ways to ensure that no harm is applied onto it, which means I'm no longer compatible to harming others. And I think this is how we reconcile war culture. War culture is simply by coming into authenticity, self-respect, which lends to mutual respect. War cannot stand up to that. Hmm.

Amanda: Hmm. Yes. It exists outside the frequency of war. It just would… you know, we wouldn't have to fight war. We could just become something totally…

Ke'Oni: Yeah… And oh, my gosh, Amanda, even the way that you just said that, “We have to fight war,” it's like, right? That's what we're being sold. It's completely irrational.

Amanda: It is. It's never gonna work. It's just not gonna work. You know, like, there's the very down to earth part of me that's just like, “Well, why don't we do the thing that's probably gonna work?” But because that's not actually gonna work. So we can get all up in a tizzy about it, but like, we're still gonna have war. Yeah. Okay. This is so good. Thank you so much. I really just love your perspective, and I love how it dovetails with so many different cosmologies that we get exposed to. And why is that? It's 'cause it's the truth. Because it's true, and this is so important for us to reconnect with who we are at that bigger vantage point because it can be very seductive in this fourth world to just think that we're material, and we're these bodies, and we're having these experiences, and there isn't this bigger picture. So thank you for helping us, you know, take that big view of what it is we're doing here. And thank you to your entire lineage for, for, um, maintaining it across generations and in such a way that it could never be destroyed, which is brilliant, and that you have taken on the mantle of sharing this with all of us. I'm just so, so grateful for you.

Ke'Oni: Mahalo. Thank you so much, Sister Amanda, and thank you for receiving the ʻike that I share.

Amanda: I'm so grateful. Yeah. If people wanna learn more from you, where would they go?

Ke'Oni: Yeah, my website pohala.net. There, um, that's really like a hub of so many other things that I do. Um, but you can find all my whereabouts and what I'm doing. I also cultivate an apothecary, like I was sharing, uh, in this interview about the fern medicine. So there's just a lot that you can discover just by going to my website, my main website, pohala.net.

Amanda: Wonderful. Okay. Is there anything else you wanna leave us with as we go out into our lives and bring some of the wisdom that was shared here today into whatever it is that we're doing?

Ke'Oni: I would love to actually, sister, um, share a Mu prayer. It's a very brief Mu prayer, but I believe that, um, it's very contemporary for what we seem to be faced with right now, and I invite, um, the audience to receive it as it feels authentic to you as a kind of maybe riddle to support you in disentangling, to refining of any of that. But this is a 20,000-year-old, um, Mu prayer. Um, when we do a prayer, pule, uh, we customly place our hands in what is known as kulike. So our right hand goes over our pu'uwai, or our heart, and our left hand goes over our na'au, or our sacral. And I will utter the prayer three times in the Mu dialect and then once in English.

Ka'a ekatawia mea ite on parat'u la mea ama ama. Kui hewa ama ach ama. Ka'a ekatawia mea ite on parat'u la mea ama ama. Kui hewa ama ach ama. Ka'a ekatawia mea ite on parat'u la mea ama ama. Kui hewa ama ach ama.

To be entangled in that which is unnatural. Now I rise exposed and brilliant finally, and to penetrate an illusion finally, finally. Aloha mā, aloha mā, aloha.

Amanda: Mahalo. Wow. I could feel that so deep. I'm sure everybody did as well. Thank you so much. Thank you to all of you for tuning in, for being a part of our community, for making astrology and now the ancient lineage of Mu and the star lineages a part of your life. I cannot wait to connect with you on the next episode, and Ke'oni, thank you. Mahalo.