Special Edition: The Aries Vortex & The New “Aira” w/ Ray Merriman
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In this episode of the Astrology Hub podcast 🚀
Amanda welcomes the legendary financial astrologer Ray Merriman to discuss the profound astrological cycles shaping our future. Ray, known for his expertise in predicting market trends through planetary movements, dives into the Aries Vortex, the “new aira” of Saturn-Jupiter cycles and why the upcoming years, particularly 2025 and 2026, will be pivotal in human history. This episode offers a deep exploration of astrological insights, blending financial wisdom with a broader understanding of the collective shifts we are about to experience.
What You’ll Learn:
☄️ Ray Merriman's journey from pioneering evolutionary astrology to becoming a leading figure in financial astrology. sparkles The significance of the astrological cycles of 2025 and 2026 and why they are crucial for humanity.
🪐How planetary movements, especially the Aries Vortex in 2026, are linked to major historical and future events.
💫The potential for both challenges and opportunities during these transformative years, including the impact on global markets. zap How to prepare for and navigate the coming shifts in the financial and astrological landscapes.
💭Insights into the balance between technological advancement and societal change, and how to position yourself for success during these times.
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Transcript:
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:24:07
Amanda
Hi there, it's Amanda here, and today's episode is an incredibly special one, featuring another legend in the field of astrology and the content in this episode feels incredibly important to be sharing with you right now, especially as we are on the brink of 2025 and 2026. Two years that astrologers are saying will be absolutely pivotal in human history.
00:00:24:09 – 00:00:54:18
Amanda
Now, Ray Merriman is the world's top financial astrologer, so his professional focus is on helping people utilize the insights of planetary cycles to time both short and long term investment. But before you tune out and think, that's not for me. I'm not an investor. I think you may want to stick around, because what you'll find is that Ray is much more than a financial astrologer helping people, time, investments with 80% accuracy.
00:00:54:20 – 00:01:27:19
Amanda
His passion for financial astrology comes from his deep knowledge, research and work with planetary cycles and patterns. And the reason he loves applying astrological wisdom to markets is because it provides all of us a very tangible link between the movement of the planets and stars, and our lives here on Earth. Ray is overflowing with grounded guidance and wisdom for all of us, whether you consider yourself financially oriented or not.
00:01:27:21 – 00:01:55:01
Amanda
As we enter this new era of humanity. In today's episode, we cover incredible ground, including Ray's journey from writing the first book on evolutionary astrology in 1977 to becoming a highly sought after professional for market timing, utilizing astrology as a predictive tool, how you can find insights into your chart, into what he calls the true beginning of the story of your life.
00:01:55:03 – 00:02:26:02
Amanda
Why the next few years are going to be so pivotal for all of us. What cycles in history are correlated with the transits will be experiencing, and what the implications are for humanity? I'll explain what the Aries vortex is, what the four stages of the new era include, and what we can expect at each stage. Why we're simultaneously holding the potential for war and Renaissance in the near future, and how we can influence this trajectory.
00:02:26:04 – 00:02:48:21
Amanda
And you're going to want to stick around until the end, because Ray gives us insights into where the biggest opportunities are for all of us amongst the AI revolution and the changing world that we find ourselves in, and what we can do now to invest in ourselves so that we're ready for these changes. Ray is the author of 27 books on astrology.
00:02:49:02 – 00:03:22:20
Amanda
He's won the Regulus Lifetime Achievement Award, only the fourth person to win this honor. He's the president of the market, analyst and founder of the Merriman Market Timing Academy. He's a registered commodities trading advisor and just a delightful human being. In this episode, we have a somewhat leisurely exploration of all the topics I just listed and more so I hope that you can give yourself some space to really sink in and absorb the gravity and the hope in his message for all of us here today.
00:03:22:22 – 00:03:37:01
Amanda
So grab your favorite beverage, get cozy, and enjoy this special edition of the Astrology Hub. I guess.
00:03:37:03 – 00:03:46:00
Amanda
Ray, it is such an honor and a pleasure to have you here on the Astrology Hub podcast. Thank you for joining us all the way from the Netherlands right now.
00:03:46:02 – 00:03:51:04
Ray
That's right. I'm in the Netherlands and it's a pleasure to be with you today, Amanda. Thank you for having me.
00:03:51:06 – 00:04:15:01
Amanda
Yeah. All right. So this is your Astrology Hub debut. Even though I know that we talked way back in 2015, we didn't even have a podcast then. So that was part of one of our first summit. But I would love if you could share your story. How did you come to astrology? And then also, how did you come to focus and specialize in financial astrology?
00:04:15:03 – 00:04:40:11
Ray
My introduction to astrology came in the mid-sixties, during the days when many of us who were getting into astrology at that time were what were known as flower children. Before the hippies. And that was part of the movement that we're involved in. I had a couple of friends who went to head Ashbury when they came back.
00:04:40:13 – 00:05:08:19
Ray
They were telling us, because we live in a commune, about their experiences of these, you know, incredible new people they're meeting in this new way, just developing the Age of Aquarius. And astrology is a big part of it. And everybody talks about their sun, moon, ascendant. And I was fascinated by, you know, I was in my last year of, psychology at Michigan State University and, when they started talking astrology and then they gave me a book called Astrology by Ron Davidson.
00:05:08:19 – 00:05:36:16
Ray
That was my real introduction. And I thought, wow, this is kind of what I'm looking for in psychology. You know, I'm getting getting astrology. and and I just took off with it. I get so into it that I started doing my postgraduate studies with the social psychologists who were okay to put together the the Rokita Value Survey, where he would compare one part of the society with another person's society based on 18 values.
00:05:36:18 – 00:05:56:08
Ray
And it didn't matter to religion. He did it by race. He did by occupation, did by age. And I had this idea and I went to him and I said, Doctor Rocky, John, I think there's a subculture divide, developing in our society for our children. And he says, really? I said, yes, well, how do you intend to find out about that?
00:05:56:08 – 00:06:22:02
Ray
And, you know, use my value survey to justify your theories. I said, well, I would like to, administer 100 of these value surveys to people who live in communes, who turned on, tuned in and dropped out. So I thought I could do this. I went around to all the communes that were developing in the 1967, 1968, in Michigan, Illinois, Toronto.
00:06:22:08 – 00:06:44:02
Ray
Cleveland, Ohio, Detroit, Michigan in Ann Arbor, White Panthers, all these groups, the Fifth Estate and I went into their communes and administered the values very first. They didn't want to do it. They're very suspicious, of course, if you're academic, which I was, if you're into surveys, you know, they they were not into that. But I got 100 people to do it.
00:06:44:04 – 00:07:08:11
Ray
And I gave them the doctor cage after about 3 or 4 months. And he called me in and said, you know what? I've never seen anything so extraordinarily different outside of any demographic. We've analyzed with the values of the group that you analyze. For instance, the flower children valued world peace. They valued a world of beauty. They valued happiness.
00:07:08:13 – 00:07:32:16
Ray
The other groups would value salvation, family security, financial security, different types of values that the, the, the flower children had on the bottom and they had on the bottom. What the flower children had on the top is this is extraordinary. So that was the other part that goes with that. It's when I went to every commune they to ask me every single one, what is your sun sign?
00:07:32:22 – 00:07:48:16
Ray
What is your moon sign? What is your ascendant? And I happened to know by that point because I was just getting into astrology. But it was phenomenal that every commune was into astrology in 1967 and 1968. And that's what got me into astrology.
00:07:48:18 – 00:08:03:05
Amanda
Okay. And then you are one of the the world's best financial astrologers, too. So how did that piece come into it? Seems like quite a diversion from the roots of your astrology.
00:08:03:07 – 00:08:33:07
Ray
It's a real diversion when you consider how I got there, because when I started astrology, my interest was psychology, right? But also my last two years of studies in college were Far Eastern philosophies and religions. So I was very exposed to Daoism, different forms of, Buddhism, especially Zen Buddhism. And as I got into astrology, it dawned on me that the chart is really a compilation of all of your past life experiences.
00:08:33:09 – 00:09:00:10
Ray
Then you're born at that exact moment in time when all the planets aren't exactly mathematical harmony with the karma of your soul. That was my proposition that I formed evolutionary astrology in 1974, and then wrote the book on it in 1977. That became a very popular field, a very popular subject branch of astrology as it stands today. So I found that in 1974 to 77.
00:09:00:12 – 00:09:07:03
Ray
And very few people understand that now, because very shortly after I founded, I got introduced to financial.
00:09:07:05 – 00:09:16:03
Amanda
Okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. I thought Jeffrey Wolf Green was the founder of evolutionary astrology.
00:09:16:05 – 00:09:17:21
Ray
Now he came in the late 80s.
00:09:17:23 – 00:09:20:17
Amanda
Oh my gosh. So you wrote the first book on this?
00:09:20:17 – 00:09:45:14
Ray
I wrote the first book. 1440 copies. Lithography hand written by three different people, is sold out in the first year. I can't I don't have all the documentation, but, you know, I did have documentation of everybody who ordered it. But the point is, I wrote it in 1973 or 70 4 to 77 came out, 77 sold out, and within two years, all the copies.
00:09:45:16 – 00:09:47:20
Amanda
Are you can't even get a copy now.
00:09:47:22 – 00:10:06:03
Ray
Maybe on Amazon. They're all out of print, but they might have them in their special vintage copy. Well, I've checked online a couple of years ago. They were going for $1,500 back then. They might be less now because they might be less now, but they were as high as $5,000 a few years ago.
00:10:06:05 – 00:10:29:20
Amanda
Unbelievable. Okay, so so you wrote this book and this hold on before you go to the next part, because this is really, really fascinating. And I didn't know this about you, but you came up with the the idea, the concept that our chart is a compilation of all of our past lives in this present moment. Yes. And then the ideas of the North and South Node and the evolution of the soul.
00:10:29:20 – 00:10:33:06
Amanda
Like what? What was the theory, I guess. Yeah.
00:10:33:08 – 00:11:09:15
Ray
Well, the theory is every moment of time is unique quality. So the moment that you're born takes on the quality of that moment. Carl Jung said that in the beginning of the I Ching of the Wilhelm Baynes edition, and that became the basis, a core principle of evolutionary astrology, which then took on another dimension. When I started studying Kriya Yoga, Paramahansa Yogananda, the autobiography of Yogi and his master Sri Ortiz, who was an astrologer, and Yogananda asked him, master, should I be getting an astrological amulet to protect me?
00:11:09:17 – 00:11:49:01
Ray
Is there anything to astrology? And yeah, sure, I said yes, because the moment that you're born are the planets. Everything out in the heavens is an exact mathematical harmony with the karma of your soul. Okay, so this is important because my lessons, my studies and for eastern religion taught me the importance of karma. You know, I don't believe that real knowledge begins until you understand karma, that everything you think and everything you do as a consequence, and you need to be aware of what the consequence of that is.
00:11:49:03 – 00:12:24:04
Ray
If you're going to take responsibility and evolve beyond your patterns, which limit you to this finite existence. So if every moment of time is unique quality, then the angles are important the ascendant, the midheaven, those are very important because they change relative to time faster than any other part that we use in astrology. I mean, every four minutes you're changing degree on the Midheaven and might be every 2 minutes or 6 minutes on the ascendant, but every moment of time is changing.
00:12:24:06 – 00:12:52:00
Ray
And so when planets cross those angles, these are big shifts in your in the arc of your evolution. These are your opportunities to break patterns, especially if it's Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, and most especially Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. But also important for consciousness is the North Node. And that was a very important part of my book, because your book, You're the Story of Your life begins when the North Node gets the nadir.
00:12:52:02 – 00:13:13:10
Ray
Okay? The nadir is the essence of the soul. The essence of the incarnation in that degree is the essence of who you are bringing into this lifetime. Because that's the midnight point. Okay? That's where light, the darkest point of the night. The light is the darkest, and darkness begins to decrease. To get to the ascendant in the natural order of the day.
00:13:13:12 – 00:13:30:17
Ray
So the ascendant is where the eagle begins. So I would take the North Node on the nadir and say, this is where your chapter, this is the beginning of your book and is it hits every eighth harmonic, which is the midpoint of the nadir in the ascendant. That would be the abortion point. You have the opportunity to change your life.
00:13:30:17 – 00:13:51:11
Ray
At that point, you already made the decision you're going to change at the nadir. That's when you started this new cycle. But the one eighth point, the middle of the second house, you have a decision, right? Can I handle this new change or do I want to go back to what I'm familiar with? And if you stay with it, then when it hits the ascendant, you actually begin to see the manifestation of it that continues to grow.
00:13:51:13 – 00:14:13:01
Ray
You go on this path of growth to it is the Midheaven. That's the peak life of consciousness. It's interesting to note, in my experience, when I look at people who have separations of meaningful relationships, their life and beginnings, some new ones, North Node on the nadir when they culminate a relationship to significant their life. North node on the midheaven.
00:14:13:03 – 00:14:33:22
Ray
I find more divorce and separation. North node on the nadir, more marriages or reunions or commitments to important people in their life when it's on the Midheaven. So I went all the way through the horoscope to every angle, every angular midpoint. Those who are important to me to understand your evolution minus crossing those points, especially the North Node.
00:14:33:24 – 00:14:39:19
Ray
So that set me up to oh my God and the basics of life.
00:14:39:21 – 00:14:52:06
Amanda
Thank you for, for, for telling us that that history and backstory that is just fascinating. How do you find the nadir? Like, how would you actually know if you're looking at your charts, how do you actually know that?
00:14:52:08 – 00:14:53:19
Ray
The fourth house cusp.
00:14:53:21 – 00:14:55:15
Amanda
Fourth house cusp?
00:14:55:17 – 00:14:56:08
Ray
Yeah.
00:14:56:10 – 00:14:58:12
Amanda
Okay. All right. So that's what you're looking at.
00:14:58:17 – 00:15:03:10
Ray
So we're using full house but it's you know so it's the opposite. The Midheaven.
00:15:03:12 – 00:15:04:12
Amanda
Opposite.
00:15:04:14 – 00:15:33:14
Ray
Yeah. In the in heaven. well the Midheaven in some if you're in the Placidus or courses on the Midheaven is going to be the, your 10th house. Right. Using equal halves, it's going to be a little bit different, but, I use Placidus. I think the second most common house method is the cook method. And they're going to give you a midheaven in opposite the midheaven or the 10th house is the fourth house the nadir.
00:15:33:16 – 00:16:00:12
Ray
And that's that's basically the middle of the night is the midpoint between sunrise and sunset and sunrise. Okay. So darkness is peaked and it begins to decrease. And by the way, when darkness is dispelled, that's the literal translation of the guru, one who dispels darkness. So the guru within each of us, the God or the Christ source within each of us is the nadir.
00:16:00:14 – 00:16:21:21
Ray
by this symbology, and then we come to conflict. We get to the ascendant because that's, that's the midpoint between night and day. Okay. So you're coming out of darkness into light, and, that's where the ego becomes important, because now you're in the external world. It's not Maya anymore. It's me in the world of other people.
00:16:22:01 – 00:16:52:06
Ray
And there's a whole new identity that develops in and their natural conflict. The ascendant nadir, ascendant midheaven is the natural conflict. And the conflict peaks at the midpoint of the Midheaven ascendant or the Midheaven nadir. Those are the peaks of your spiritual conflicts. And so that's some of the themes that I'm working with, that I worked with, with evolutionary astrology, which I rewrote the book Evolutionary Astrology Part 2 in 1993, I believe it was.
00:16:52:08 – 00:16:56:15
Ray
And there's yet a third version yet to come out. I haven't done that yet, but I will before.
00:16:56:19 – 00:16:57:16
Amanda
We get into.
00:16:57:18 – 00:17:00:04
Ray
The transition to the cloud.
00:17:00:06 – 00:17:02:21
Amanda
We're going to be waiting for that for sure.
00:17:02:23 – 00:17:03:12
Ray
I'm sorry.
00:17:03:15 – 00:17:15:10
Amanda
I don't even know. We're like ten minutes in and my mind's already blown that it's just too fascinating. Okay, so let's go to the transition then to financial astrology and how that happened.
00:17:15:12 – 00:17:49:06
Ray
Or no sooner than the evolutionary psychology. So out then I had a visit by one of my clients who wanted to know, is there any correlation between astrology in the stock market? I had no interest. I had no idea. And I said, you know, if you want to cover my expenses for a week and put me up in some secluded place where I can study, and you give me 20 corporations and their stock performance and their incorporation dates, I'll see if I can find something.
00:17:49:08 – 00:18:09:23
Ray
Well, she happened to know a Roman Catholic priest who lived on a farm who was interested in astrology. It turns out he was one of my clients. I didn't know at the time that he was. I guess I didn't know he was a Roman Catholic priest. I didn't know that he actually would be interested in hosting me to study with at his place for a week in the quiet, and she would give me the charts.
00:18:10:00 – 00:18:39:09
Ray
So what happened is she gave me 20 charts with their birth dates, incorporation dates, and a week later, this is a 1978. And a week later I came back to see, you know, five of these charts seem to have a correlation. I can see highs and lows based on these this chart. So if you invest in these five charts now, which is March of 1978, and sell them in this day in September of 1978, it would work.
00:18:39:09 – 00:19:02:01
Ray
If this is a correlation. Now bear in mind the stock market wasn't doing much then the Dow is improving. 809 hundred wasn't moving much at all. So she did it. Her and her investor freedom invested, $20,000 or so in these stocks. And it made 28% in six months, which when you consider the whole range was only 12% for the year.
00:19:02:03 – 00:19:03:06
Ray
That's pretty good.
00:19:03:08 – 00:19:05:23
Amanda
So I had all five of them, right?
00:19:06:00 – 00:19:10:08
Ray
All five of them well together. All five of them averaged out 28%.
00:19:10:10 – 00:19:11:00
Amanda
Amazing.
00:19:11:00 – 00:19:30:10
Ray
Okay. She was excited, I was excited, and I thought I got to learn more about this because, you know, I'm it's not so much the making of money that attracts me. What attracts me is, correlations between astrology and something that's happening in human experience.
00:19:30:12 – 00:19:30:16
Amanda
Yeah.
00:19:30:16 – 00:19:54:10
Ray
If I can get something that I can go back on and track it by astrology, whether it's history and especially the stock market or any market, I'm excited about finding those kinds of, discover. I like that kind of discovery. So I got into it. Now fast forward a little bit more, and two years later I'm giving a talk in Tucson, Arizona.
00:19:54:12 – 00:20:14:02
Ray
And in the audience is Walter Presser, who's a director for the Study Foundation. Let's see, the Foundation for the Study of Cycles. And he was very impressed with my presentation on how I saw the year ahead. And he said, you know, Ray, I'd like to show you something. Would you consider coming over to my house for dinner? I said, well, I don't know.
00:20:14:02 – 00:20:35:22
Ray
And he says, well, I have a macrobiotic cook and I understand you're interested in that. And I said, yeah, okay, I'll come. So he took me to, to the back area of his horseshoe shaped ranch. And it turns out that water pressure was a hit of health commodities, which is one of the top commodity advisory firms in the world.
00:20:35:24 – 00:20:58:12
Ray
And he's also a director for the, Foundation for a Study of Cycles. And he shows me this chart, these charts of gold all the way across the back, wall of his, office. He says, really don't know much about astrology, but I noticed that when Mars goes retrograde or direct every two and a half years or so, that that's the high end, the low of the year and gold market.
00:20:58:14 – 00:21:20:23
Ray
And I'm looking at this chart and I said, and I'm looking at my ephemeris. Wow, that's pretty good. Within three days that was the lower the high every case three highs, three lows every time Mars one retrograde or direct. And he says do you think there's other correlations like that to astrology? I said I don't know. I said, well, if I give you these charts, would you try to find out?
00:21:21:00 – 00:21:41:01
Ray
And that began my research into financial astrology. For the next two years, I researched cycles. He taught me cycles. He says, I want to teach you cycles. please come to my webinar. Not whether my my seminars that I teach all over the world. Well, what were the United States? He was over the world. But I went to all the ones he taught the United States.
00:21:41:01 – 00:22:12:15
Ray
I was his apprentice. He was my mentor in cycles, and I was his astrologer. And when I finished in, November of 1982, I published the book 2500 copies of, The Global Cosmic Correlation of Gold Prices, 244 pages. The first quantitative study ever to show planetary aspects not sun and moon, but planetary aspects to changes, reversals, tradeable changes and reversals.
00:22:12:15 – 00:22:43:18
Ray
Cycle changes in the gold market. He was floored by it. He sent a financial news network six months later. You know, four months later it was in March, maybe February. Yeah, yeah, February. I think it was of, 1980, 82. Yeah. They called me and they flew me in. No, 1983, February 83rd. They flew me into financial news that which was CNBC became CNBC, and they did a, hourlong interview with me on The Money Show.
00:22:43:20 – 00:23:11:16
Ray
I had a small newsletter at that time called the Gold Market. American Market. And US Gold Market had 35 subscribers. The next week, I had 350 subscribers and tenfold increase. There were only people logged in. They were fascinated that there was some correlation. Quantitative relation between astrology and prices of gold. And I had to give up my day job as an astrologer because I had a new job.
00:23:11:16 – 00:23:28:18
Ray
I mean, I kept I kept my foot in the astrology community doing consultation, but I went from 20 a week to five a week and now I do one a month. But that changed everything when I suddenly had 350 subscribers. Pay me a, you know, a good fee every year for monthly report. I had to better serve them.
00:23:28:20 – 00:23:46:15
Ray
And it went from the month report to the weekly report, the day reports. It went from the gold to silver to the Dow Jones Industrial Average, to the S&P to crude oil, to soybeans, Treasury markets. I mean, I cover many markets now, and I've been doing this.
00:23:46:15 – 00:23:47:14
Amanda
Correlation.
00:23:47:17 – 00:23:48:12
Ray
To.
00:23:48:14 – 00:23:54:22
Amanda
There's correlations and predictive capability for all these different kinds of markets.
00:23:54:24 – 00:24:14:18
Ray
Yeah. Every day I wake up and it's like another challenge to discover something. And when I hit it it's like eureka, I hit another one. It doesn't. And I'm just touching the temperament and the people that I'm teaching are my Merriman Market Timing Academy. They're doing incredible studies. They're doing the things that I can't do because only one of me.
00:24:14:23 – 00:24:21:03
Ray
But now I got I got 100 of them working on it, and it's amazing what we're finding out.
00:24:21:05 – 00:24:21:18
Amanda
Wow.
00:24:21:24 – 00:24:29:23
Ray
When it does that predict? It's not 100%, but I would say we're dealing with 80% predictability factors 80%.
00:24:30:00 – 00:24:37:16
Amanda
Right? Okay. First of all I've noticed you use the word geocentric. Is there or I'm sorry Geo cosmic. You know.
00:24:37:16 – 00:24:38:05
Ray
Cosmic.
00:24:38:10 – 00:24:44:03
Amanda
Is there a reason why you use Geo Cosmic instead of just astrology?
00:24:44:05 – 00:25:10:14
Ray
Well, the financial community, you know, they're a mixed bag of people and, astrology, I mean, in a in a field of astrology, I'm a financial astrologer. Right? In the field of financial financial markets, is is not so easy to use the word astrology and get their attention. So market timer and financial market timer who uses your cosmic studies.
00:25:10:14 – 00:25:45:02
Ray
Planetary studies based on quantitative analysis. I will refer to myself as financial astrology as they know me. But when they're coming in it's you know, you know what it's like. I mean astrology still has a bit of a stigma in, in society we've made incredible progress. My generation, the community of people I worked with since 1980s, 1990s, early 2000, we transformed astrology from a legal, fortune telling, state wide limitation on state limitation in many states.
00:25:45:04 – 00:26:08:05
Ray
We changed astrology to make it legal, and then we made a professional. We made it recognized professional career. So we went from a hobby that was illegal in many states to a profession that now serves as a career for, I would say, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people all over the world. That all changed from the 1980s, probably through the first decade of 2000.
00:26:08:07 – 00:26:18:18
Ray
So over that 2030 year period, we change astrology and its reputation. And I feel that's one of the things I feel most proud about in my lifetime that we did that.
00:26:18:20 – 00:26:45:22
Amanda
Ray, thank you on behalf of myself and our entire community, I know we wouldn't get to do what we do today if it wasn't for people like you that utterly spearheaded and absolutely changed not only the perception, but the legality of this career path. And so I just thank you so much. We get to we truly get to stand on your shoulders and continue the exploration.
00:26:45:22 – 00:27:07:06
Amanda
And I know that it wouldn't be possible without people like you who were so passionate and committed and and did the hard work and, and practiced in a time where you could have gone to jail for it. You could have, you know, you were shunned from society. You know, all those things. It's still, you know, kind of has a little bit of a stigma, but not anything.
00:27:07:08 – 00:27:09:19
Ray
Nothing like you faced in 1990. Yeah.
00:27:09:21 – 00:27:10:07
Amanda
Right.
00:27:10:07 – 00:27:31:04
Ray
And, you know, it wasn't just me, of course. I mean, there were several scores of people. And even though I keep in touch with 50 of them, there are 50 people that we call that we call ourselves the legends, the legends of astrology alumni. Okay. Because we keep talking, we walk this path together and we take great pride in what we accomplish working together.
00:27:31:07 – 00:27:55:01
Ray
And we were with organizations that fight each other, but we were able to transcend that because we recognized there was a there was a higher purpose here for which we came into this lifetime. We all recognize that and we commit ourselves to it. And I will say this, too. We came out of the field of psychology. Most of us, modern day astrology came out of the field of psychology.
00:27:55:03 – 00:28:20:23
Ray
Yes. Metaphysics. Yes, spirituality and Far Eastern thought. But it's a psychology that many, many of us were either psychology that are background psychology, maybe philosophy, various religions, but it's very different today. I mean, today, you know, I got to say this, you don't see that emphasis on modern day astrology roots that came from the field of psychology.
00:28:21:00 – 00:28:42:03
Ray
You know, we were choice givers, not choice makers. Big difference. Okay. We wanted to give the client the choice. We didn't want to make the choice for the client. And that was all of the field of humanistic psychology that we were able to transform transition astrology from a hobby to a profession. In those days.
00:28:42:05 – 00:29:04:18
Amanda
Wow. So right. I have my master's in psychology and my undergrad. Yeah. And when you said I found from astrology what I was looking for in psychology, that's exactly my experience. After my first meeting, I went, oh my God, this is exactly what I've been looking for all these years. You know, I was 33 when I had that first reading and just went, this is it.
00:29:04:18 – 00:29:28:13
Amanda
This is what I been looking for and couldn't find in all these places religion, psychology, you know? Okay, this is I could spend forever just hearing all your stories and and I would love if they're willing to have the names of the 50 people that are now, that are still in the legends of astrology alumni, just to just to say thank you.
00:29:28:13 – 00:29:30:22
Amanda
I mean, literally just to say thank you.
00:29:30:24 – 00:29:33:10
Ray
Well, many of them have been on your program.
00:29:33:12 – 00:29:34:15
Amanda
Well that's great.
00:29:34:17 – 00:30:00:10
Ray
You've had Georgia Staples. Oh yeah. Your zealotry. Yes. We had I don't know if you have been Alexander Holmes, sir. Jack. although he was not in the he came at the end of a but he's a big, big factor as a legend. Astrology. Marilyn. Yeah. Was Gary, Christian. Glenn Perry. Lee layman, I mean, there's scores of people, on there.
00:30:00:12 – 00:30:01:14
Ray
Rick levine.
00:30:01:19 – 00:30:04:22
Amanda
Oh, there we go. Yes, there are all the rest.
00:30:04:24 – 00:30:06:01
Ray
Yes.
00:30:06:03 – 00:30:06:20
Amanda
Okay.
00:30:06:22 – 00:30:19:23
Ray
I'm into. But he he's been amazing contributor to this work. Yeah. Wow. There's some of them. Yeah, there's many more. Let's David Cochran, let's not forget David Karp and David Cochrane.
00:30:19:23 – 00:30:21:20
Amanda
Yes. Amazing. Okay.
00:30:21:22 – 00:30:38:18
Ray
Kind of on the path I'm on where he wants evidence based astrology. I know it, it is what excites them. And it's what excites me. We like to wake up every morning and see what's the next. What's the next correlation between astrology and human experience. And he's done phenomenal with his work.
00:30:38:20 – 00:31:08:18
Amanda
He's amazing. Yes. and I love that you guys are doing this, this research. You're giving tangible evidence. I don't need that anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've had enough experiences, and I know most of our audience probably has had enough experiences where, like, I kind of don't need the proof at this point, but I do remember in the beginning wishing there was more things I could reference you for the analytical types in my life who were totally questioning my sanity.
00:31:08:20 – 00:31:22:17
Amanda
You know, it's like, yeah, it's very helpful to have those like, look, no, actually, this is grounded. This is not some, you know, fluffy, who woo saying that doesn't have any sort of substance. It does.
00:31:22:19 – 00:31:48:02
Ray
Yeah. It's just not a bias or just a belief, with this, like, grounded in reality or, any kind of evidence. No. Where we're actually going and looking at the history of, of certain segments of human experience and showing the correlation of the themes. I mean, it's not, is it? What is the Mark Twain said, astrology or cycles?
00:31:48:04 – 00:32:09:16
Ray
they don't repeat themselves, but they rhyme. Okay. And it's true. the Saturn. Jupiter isn't the same every time it conjunct. But there are themes that happen every time. Yeah. You know, you can go back and Saturn, Jupiter conjunctions every 20 years and you'll see that one, two, three years afterwards. There are wars okay. We got Ukraine now.
00:32:09:16 – 00:32:34:01
Ray
Back then we had 911 the last time it happened. Before that we had war in Afghanistan 19 early 80s and early 1960s. We had the Cuban Missile Crisis in the 1940s when World War Two began. so there are these correlations, and they show one stock market to you always get a big decline in the first, about two years into the Jupiter Saturn cycle.
00:32:34:01 – 00:32:49:14
Ray
Then you go into a bull market the last 4 to 5 years, and then you have a crash. You're 7 to 9. It just happens over and over again. so you see these kind of correlation. But this is not the same countries where there's assassination, not same countries involved in war, but it's the themes that repeat themselves.
00:32:49:14 – 00:33:07:23
Amanda
They run so they they they rhyme. I love that so much. That makes so much sense. My daughter actually just set a poem yesterday that she wrote, and it was just like taking one word from one sentence and rhyming with the next sentence and rhyming with the next of. And she just kept going and going and going. And I was like, what was the assignment?
00:33:07:23 – 00:33:26:01
Amanda
She's like, I just had to rhyme this word, you know? But that just makes so much sense. It's not a rinse and repeat, but it's a rhyme. That's right. Okay. Right now that with that incredible setup, first of all, if you're if you're thinking, oh my gosh, I need to study with this man, I'm in the same boat with you.
00:33:26:01 – 00:33:49:11
Amanda
I'm just like, oh, so there is a retreat coming up. We're going to go to 2025 and 2026 and what Ray calls the Aries vortex, which is happening in February of 2026 next. And he's got some he has some beautiful slides that are going to help us understand what he's talking about with these cycles, and why the next couple of years are so pivotal for humanity.
00:33:49:11 – 00:33:59:19
Amanda
So we're going there next before we do. If you're fascinated by this, I know that Ray is hosting a retreat in Slovenia.
00:33:59:21 – 00:34:00:22
Ray
Yes.
00:34:00:24 – 00:34:20:16
Amanda
And and online. So it's both. But if you happen to be in that area, oh my gosh, you need to go. it's a September 19th through the 22nd, and he's generously offering the Astrology Hub podcast community, the YouTube community, if you're wherever you're watching this as a part of the Astrology Hub community, you can get $100 off this retreat.
00:34:20:18 – 00:34:23:02
Amanda
Do you want to tell them a little bit more about it?
00:34:23:03 – 00:34:25:08
Ray
Yeah. Can I show a couple slides? Sure.
00:34:25:09 – 00:34:41:04
Amanda
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And write this down, you guys. The code to use to get your discount is Astro Hub in all caps. Array is going to show us the link and everything. And then we'll go to the the super meaty 2025 2026.
00:34:41:06 – 00:35:13:21
Ray
Okay. So September 19th to 22nd. We're have our Amy Merriman market Analysts investment retreat. and this is a this is a gathering of people for three days, where we discuss our outlook, long term outlook, outlook on how to build wealth based on timing signals that we use, whether it's cycles with planetary cycles, but we also use, price objective theories determine what the price is going to be.
00:35:13:21 – 00:35:58:10
Ray
We want to buy at, certain tactical studies. So basically we're looking at looking at the stock market, gold market, silver again currencies, treasury notes, real estate, crude oil energy. And we're looking at the time when the North Node is going from Pisces to Capricorn with various markers making. We call our 18 year cycle bottom. Is that the 18 year cycle bottom that we want to make our long term investments are buy and hold, and we want to scale into it because we don't know exactly when we, we we, we narrow these things down by the year and then by the season as we get closer and closer to it, and then eventually
00:35:58:10 – 00:36:17:19
Ray
down to the month in the week, if we can. But as we get to a certain price in this time, then we want to start scaling in our purchases, over this period, because we know if we can afford it for basically 9 to 19 years, we're going to make a very, very good profit on our investment. Okay.
00:36:17:22 – 00:36:38:15
Ray
So this is taking place at Lake Glen. Is your pictures of the lake bled here? in Slovenia, one of the most beautiful places in the world I've ever been to. And here you can see the lake Bled Castle. This will have our Saturday night banquet overlooking the beautiful lake. Now, this is the. This is the balcony of the hotel.
00:36:38:15 – 00:36:58:09
Ray
We stay at the hotel. Ricky bounce. It's a it's a spot, actually. It's just a beautiful location, a beautiful place to be. And, if you want to come to it is going to be online and it's going to be live. we have about 40 people come in so far. The, the hotel itself, we're we're having a conference.
00:36:58:09 – 00:37:25:05
Ray
It's it's filled up. We have a waiting list, but we also have a list of hotels in the area that's in walking distance you can come to and, and still be part of it. But you go to Maine cycles.com, go to under events, and look for the investment retreat. And when you sign in, it'll ask you for a code and for $100 discount if you put an Astro hub, you get a $100 discount.
00:37:25:07 – 00:37:30:18
Ray
So join us. Would love to see you there. Join at least 40 of us who are going to be present there at this point.
00:37:30:18 – 00:37:50:24
Amanda
Okay, we're going to drop the link in the show notes, also the code and all that good stuff. I'm not an investor and I don't have a strong financial background, so I'm I'm really interested in this, but it's intimidating. Like, am I going to be in a, in a crowd of like stock market people and I'm not going to know what anybody's talking about?
00:37:51:05 – 00:37:58:05
Amanda
Or will the astrology background that I have actually help me understand the, the bigger conversation?
00:37:58:07 – 00:38:20:17
Ray
If you know nothing about investments in markets, but you're a good astrologer, sit next to somebody in there who's knows a lot about investments but doesn't know much about astrology is about 5050. Okay, well, it's about 30, 30, 30. I'd say a third of the people know something about both of them. A third of them know a lot about investments.
00:38:20:17 – 00:38:37:06
Ray
They're all much about astrology. Another third know a lot about astrology. They know nothing about investments. And we encourage them sit next to each other and we have them raise their hands. You know, are you strongest in astrology as strongest investments? And, you know, there's plenty of times to integrate with with a lot of snacks, you know, snack breaks.
00:38:37:12 – 00:38:57:05
Ray
We have dinner together. We have lunch together. That's all covered in this. So, your course isn't isn't just the whole table, but you got your your snacks and your your, your meals. And so you're going to you're going to socialize. You're going to you're going to rub elbows with people. We're very good astrologers or very good, investors.
00:38:57:05 – 00:39:04:16
Ray
And they want to know the timing part of it. So it's it's a nice energy, a nice synergy that goes on here at this event.
00:39:04:18 – 00:39:05:07
Amanda
I would, I.
00:39:05:07 – 00:39:39:05
Ray
Would suggest so if you know nothing about investments, I would suggest your purchase volume one of the ultimate book on stock market timing, volume on cycles and patterns in the indexes. Nothing about astrology, but it's one of the the key books that I've written for people who know nothing about markets. I know nothing about astrology. And you're listening to this and you know some bull, Marcus, that would suggest you get volume two and volume three, you know, the geo cosmic correlations for long term investments into your cosmic correlations to trading.
00:39:39:07 – 00:39:41:03
Amanda
Okay. And these are your bets.
00:39:41:05 – 00:39:58:05
Ray
It's a book is a five volume set. And you really should study volume one if you know nothing about markets. So we should know the language we're going to need no different to on a low. On a high which is a in a drawer. You need to know what a cycle is. You know. And it's there are cycles within cycles.
00:39:58:05 – 00:40:21:20
Ray
And that's why we need time. if we know a market cycles coming, do we want the planet's cycles to be overlapping at the long the longer the market cycle, the longer the planetary cycles that should be present. You won't get a long term market cycle. There's a Saturn, Uranus, Neptune Pluto aspect going on. I happen I don't think it's a failed yet but so we want to see these kind of correlations and zoom in.
00:40:21:22 – 00:40:44:07
Ray
When are we going to start being in cash and moving from cash back to the markets. Okay. And we're going to show we're going to share with you our plan our investment plan which I think is a way to build wealth. I mean, you can build wealth in the stock market, not necessarily by trading. I mean, if you're a very good trader, yes, you're going to do well, but you don't have to be a very good trader be to build wealth in the stock market.
00:40:44:07 – 00:41:00:12
Ray
You just got to be able to start investing at that. 18 your bottom, because once you got the edge in your bottom, it's going to go up 300 and 600% over the next, you know, 9 to 18 years. You don't need to do much. Just pick the right stocks, the right indexes and stay with them. And we're going to show you how to do that.
00:41:00:14 – 00:41:23:02
Amanda
fascinating I love it. I have like people I want to invite to this who are more on the financial side, who will really okay. I know I could talk to you literally all day. We've left. We've kept them on their the edge of their seats about 2025, 2026 and this Aries vortex. I love that you've named it the Aries Vortex happening in February of 2026.
00:41:23:04 – 00:41:55:23
Amanda
Can you tell us what this is all about? Because Ray I, I about fell off my seat recently speaking to the astrologer Steve Jet. I don't know if you know him. He's from the UK, but he he also, like you, is very much into the cycles in the pattern. He said something about 2025 and 2026 that I hadn't heard so clearly yet, and maybe it's because I didn't want to hear it, but that it's even bigger for us then 2020 was like the astrology of 2025 and 2026 is is really big.
00:41:55:23 – 00:42:10:05
Amanda
We have a huge swell coming in. And if we're talking about the ocean. And so I went, oh God, I thought 2020 was kind of like the climax, but it sounds like we have a lot more ahead. So do you agree with that first of all. And then let's talk about why.
00:42:10:07 – 00:42:47:05
Ray
Yeah I'm going to take the screen again of a man. And you're not far off when you talk about 2020 because, let's put this in context, 2026, give or take a year, that 2025, 2027 is extremely important, but it's within the context of 2020 to 2032. Okay, we have a 12 year period here, which begins the new era, a term coined by astrologer and market graduate of our market time economy, cat Powell, actually graphic artist, excellent astrologer.
00:42:47:10 – 00:43:11:22
Ray
She called it the new era. When Jupiter and Saturn conjunct Zero and Aquarius December 21st, 2020. That began the new era in a supercharged zero degrees Aquarius. So in some ways you would be far off if you, you know, had this idea that this is kind of the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. I mean, yeah, that's in a context the bigger a movement too.
00:43:11:22 – 00:43:40:02
Ray
But this is the first time in 800 years that the entire epoch of Jupiter and Saturn, Earth signs begins in Aquarius. Yeah, we had a Libra in 1980, but it went back to Capricorn, back to, the Earth in 2020. And now it's going into air for the next hundred and 40 years and really into the next nine Jupiter Saturn conjunct is going to be an air science to 2219.
00:43:40:04 – 00:44:06:17
Ray
Okay. So if we go back, the last time the epic began, it was in Aquarius in the 1200s, 800. So it's an 800 year cycle that we started in December 2020. So you're not far off. Think of something change in 2020. There's something didn't astrologically change big. Then. And what happened in 20 and 12? The 1215, 1226 was the, the Magna Carta.
00:44:06:19 – 00:44:31:00
Ray
Okay. That was when the British Parliament established that nobody is above the law, even the king. And everybody has to adhere to a law. You can't break the law even if you're a king. And not be held responsible. And so we're into that epic again. We're the leaders of the world have to be held responsible. They do not get to a free pass to break the law.
00:44:31:02 – 00:45:12:01
Ray
Okay, so that's what's happening for the next 800 years. Well, the next 200 years, that was so that began stage one of the new era. Stage two. We're in it right now. The outermost planets, Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, all moving into new signs to to go into Aquarius in March of 2023. It's going back and forth till we know where the election's going to go backwards over five times, you're going to have Neptune going into areas, early March 2025, which is going to start the Aries vortex, and you're gonna have Uranus go into Gemini, in 2025.
00:45:12:03 – 00:45:34:10
Ray
So this 2023 to 2025 is staged to be all the major as minus going to new signs. That hasn't happened in 300 years where they all change signs within two years. And that was kind of important because that was there were wars in the Middle East and Russia at that time that kind of changed the boundaries of Russia in the Middle East.
00:45:34:12 – 00:46:17:17
Ray
But the time before that was extremely important. 300 years before that, they also changed signs within two years of each other. And that was the Renaissance, the Italian Renaissance, really in the European Renaissance, correctly having four different times in the 1400s. And I'm going to talk about that in just a second. But right after we make this change, we immediately go into the Aries vortex, which is February 20th, 2026, but it actually starts in March of 25, actually, late February, early March of 2025 when Neptune gets zero areas and it's going to last all the way into 2027 and Uranus goes back and forth over zero Gemini and the whole 12 year era.
00:46:17:19 – 00:46:51:16
Ray
First stage, the epic ends in 2032. That's when we have the Jupiter return to the er, epic. That's when Jupiter goes back to zero, because it also happens when Saturn and Uranus, King John every 45 years or seven years. Can Johnson mundane astrologers know that is perhaps the most important planetary combination in every aspect. Saturn-uranus in our aspect is the most important mundane aspect for big events that reshape the direction of human experience.
00:46:51:18 – 00:47:19:02
Ray
Okay, so that's coming up in 2032. And, you know, the we just came out of the square in 2020, 2021, we came all the opposition 22,008, 2009. That was the Great Recession. And, yeah, you can go back and you see all the squares and all the opposition, big, big cycles in, human experience. Okay, so here's the Jupiter Saturn conjunction.
00:47:19:04 – 00:47:45:22
Ray
December 20th 21st, 2020. You see, Pluto is hitting that debris. This is supercharged. Excuse me. Right when two outer planets come together, it charges attributes a supercharged degree. And every time a planet hits it, it touches off the themes of going Jupiter, Saturn, and now Pluto and Aquarius. That's quite a combination. We're we're we're talking about at this point, and you can see some of the keywords that go with that here.
00:47:45:24 – 00:47:49:20
Ray
Okay. So yeah, that's a supercharged degree.
00:47:49:22 – 00:48:16:10
Amanda
Right. Really quickly, I just want to note for our friends listening on the podcast, if you're wondering what we're looking at, Ray has created some beautiful slides here. You can see the video. So you can go back and watch this again with the video on our YouTube channel. So just the Astrology Hub podcast on YouTube or on our website, so you can go and see what he's referring to here.
00:48:16:12 – 00:48:43:14
Ray
So here is the the days that planets, moved in the signs, Pluto moved into Aquarius March 23rd, 2023. It's going to last to March 19th, 2043. Neptune March 30th, 2025. He that's going to start the, the Aries, vortex and Uranus enters July 7th, 2025. Well, why is important. Well, going through 2023 2025 with three planets going to new signs, well, I'll tell you.
00:48:43:16 – 00:49:07:23
Ray
Because the three most important wars, the United States history happened the last time each of these things happened. The last time Pluto went into Aquarius was April 4th, 1777. That was the Revolutionary War just began a little earlier. The Civil War began April 12th, 1861, one day before Neptune entered areas, which is going to have March 30th, 2025.
00:49:08:00 – 00:49:29:20
Ray
Uranus entered Gemini August 7th, 1941. Well, you in Hawaii know what happened in 1940 1st December 1941. So these are the three biggest wars that shaped the United States. And they're all happening again for the first time. These same planets are going into these same signs again for the first time since these signs.
00:49:29:22 – 00:49:30:09
Amanda
Oh nine was.
00:49:30:09 – 00:49:59:18
Ray
Also interesting is it was very similar to what happened in 1446 of 1454. There were two times during that time when these planets entered new signs within two years of each other. And that was the Renaissance. Okay. So you can see the period 1446 to 1452 is very similar to now because satyr was conjunct Neptune then two but it wasn't a zero areas, it was zero Libra.
00:49:59:20 – 00:50:29:09
Ray
It was the other equinox, it was the autumnal equinox. So Neptune didn't enter areas that point to enter Libra. Pluto didn't in a record ascendant. Leo. Exactly. Opposition. And Uranus was entering a new sign to at that point. So it's a lot of similarities between 1446 and 1452. The other interesting thing that was going on then is that this was the beginning of banking currencies trading.
00:50:29:11 – 00:50:54:02
Ray
Okay. We certainly saw trading silver, you know, in exchange for services and in silk and other goods, silver became a means of exchange of currency. So the whole currency value of the idea of currency values, took on a whole new meaning at that point in a state until today. And don't we see the whole nature of currencies about to change again?
00:50:54:04 – 00:51:16:01
Ray
Think digital. We're going to digital currencies now. It's like paper is no longer going to be important. We're going to go into a digital. And these people think that Bitcoin and Ethereum are going to go to zero. I don't buy it. You know there's too many trillions of dollars invested in digital currencies though. You can't. It's too far gone.
00:51:16:01 – 00:51:32:07
Ray
You got to adapt to it. You can't try to eliminate it. It's going to be adapted in the countries. It's they're not going to accept it. They're going to accept it in the United States as well. In that way, China's starting to get off into appreciating, of course, Central America and a lot of other countries are already using digital currencies.
00:51:32:09 – 00:51:56:10
Ray
So this is a digital currency. Revolution is an AI revolution, but it's also a war cycle. So we got a choice right now. We can either destroy the planet with war because we're going this war cycle, or we can get into this whole idea of AI technology renaissance that we're going through, which is going to completely alter and I think improve the lives that we live right now.
00:51:56:10 – 00:52:16:05
Ray
It's going to make our lives in business, in government more efficient. It'll be difficult at first. It's always difficult to change a science. It's going to be difficult at first, especially now is going to be AI, because a lot of people are going to be displaced from their work. But there's a whole new work ethic, a whole new work, opportunity that's going to be built here.
00:52:16:09 – 00:52:43:15
Ray
It's going to become much more efficient. You're not going to have to go through so much bureaucracy. By the time we get 20 years down the road to put on Aquarius, it's not going to take you 3 to 6 months to qualify for Social Security, to qualify for grants, to go to, you know, educations in applying for, you know, research grants, all that's going to be done much more efficiently and quickly in the next 20 years, which is a boon for society, for economies, for the quality of our life.
00:52:43:17 – 00:53:04:00
Ray
I'm a big believer that this is not going to destroy us. at first it is difficult because of course we're going to become disassociated when we're too much into our, smartphones and our, you know, our social media. That's going to be that's going to balance out. It's going to balance off, become, you know, normalize, over time.
00:53:04:06 – 00:53:29:21
Ray
So I'm not I'm worried about it right now. But after we get 3 or 4 degrees into Aquarius, I think that's become much more normalized. But here's the thing. Part three, the Aries vortex, which is so important, you have Uranus and Pluto in a trine in Pluto going into Aquarius, early Aquarius, Uranus is in late Earth, but it's going to go into Gemini and they're trying.
00:53:29:21 – 00:53:52:19
Ray
The midpoint is going to be 0 to 1 of Aries, which is where the Saturn Pluto is conjoining. So this is like a vortex, the Handless vortex or Uranus and Pluto, the midpoint of the Saturn and Neptune coming together right on the vernal equinox, a zero degree point, which is a world degree. Zooming in. Right. And the Earth is like this.
00:53:52:21 – 00:54:17:07
Ray
That's where all this energy is zooming into. What is this energy? Well, Uranus and Pluto is I mean, that can be very divisive. Fortunately, they're in a terrain. They're going to be in a trying in Saturn. Neptune is the whole thing about misinformation, propaganda, you know, negotiating with reality, the like. You can say that what is bad is suddenly good, and what is good is suddenly bad.
00:54:17:07 – 00:54:52:19
Ray
I mean, all that distortion going on, all of that peace, I believe, all of that divisiveness, all that division, between us, over these superficial things that really separate us rather than unite us is all going to give way when Saturn, Neptune are both in a double sextile to the Uranus-pluto trine. And so even Andre Berman, the great French mundane astrologer, called this the greatest opportunity of the 21st century to make an advancement, in civilization.
00:54:52:21 – 00:55:20:07
Ray
And I happen to share that. I think that is absolutely true. We have a chance here. So I think we reached the bottom of this division in 2026, give or take a year, because these things start as slow as any planet. Yes, it Neptune actually hit set zero degrees in March. So we have an opportunity here to start mending the pain that we're causing each other through our divisions and separations and moving more toward unity.
00:55:20:10 – 00:55:40:09
Ray
I mean, diversity is great, but diversity is in service to unity, to the human race. And that's what this aspect is all about. Is it going to zero? Aries if you want to see it on a horoscope, this will also I got a horoscope. here's Saturn, Neptune at zero, and it was a zero. Aries chart.
00:55:40:11 – 00:56:09:09
Ray
And you can see uranus-pluto. The midpoint of it is right there too. And this is from 2025 through 2027. And as I said before, I think this is, an opportunity this is hopeful. A hopeful opportunity for humankind is where the power of AI meets the power of creativity of the human, the human being. Okay. And I'm telling you what I believe in.
00:56:09:15 – 00:56:40:14
Ray
And I think many of you share this, this destruction period we going through will not win. Destruction is finite. There's always an end to the force of destruction. Creation is infinite. You cannot eliminate creation. It will always survive destruction. So destruction is a phase that ends at some point. And we have to rebuild, recreate. So I'm, I think this is a turning point.
00:56:40:16 – 00:57:03:10
Ray
Again, you're not going to turn overnight, but 2026, the midpoint of the the new era and midpoints are very important. So to me that's the bottom of this funnel. And we start we start Baselining. And by baselining we found of the formal foundation we started coming in. Darkness begins to be dispelled. And it's going to go on through 2032 to the Uranus Saturn conjunction.
00:57:03:12 – 00:57:28:09
Ray
And after that I think we'll, we'll see the, the we actually have made some progress from 2026 to 2032. And we can now see the results of that progress. So that's my outlook on these, things. this is kind of showing how much markets go up when you're buying the eight in your bottom, which is going to happen in the Aries vortex period to I think around 2026, 2027, maybe 2028.
00:57:28:11 – 00:57:51:24
Ray
That's the 18 year bottom around there. And if you can buy that bottom, this is what you can expect from the last 12, 18 year cycles we've had. Look at ever since 1914 the least we've we've appreciated it in the in the next 10 to 20 years is 320%. There's many cases here of 600, 700 and 800%. You increase in 10 to 18 years.
00:57:52:03 – 00:58:14:24
Ray
So that's why the investment retreat is important. And that's why it's important to understand the Aries vortex, because it is the bottom of the cycle in consciousness. And if it's unconscious, it's also do with politics and economy and social cultural cycles as well is big. And when your friend you talk to talked about how big it is, is right from what I see here, this is big.
00:58:14:24 – 00:58:17:14
Ray
This is probably the biggest thing we're getting in our lifetime.
00:58:17:16 – 00:58:38:18
Amanda
One of the things that I say all the time is that when we have awareness of the astrology and we have awareness of the cycles, and we have awareness of the waves that are that are coming, that it enables more choice, that we can actually we can actually anticipate, but not to brace in fear to go, okay, here's the wave that's coming.
00:58:38:22 – 00:59:04:13
Amanda
How do I want to surf it? How do I want to engage with it? How do I want to dance with it and just given everything that you know and everything that you can see about where we're at in terms of cycles for our beautiful community that has this awareness now, where do you see the most opportunity for people, you know, you're saying there's going to be jobs that are that are displaced, there's going to be new opportunities, there's a renaissance.
00:59:04:13 – 00:59:19:16
Amanda
There's where do you see opportunity for people where they could start investing in that in themselves right now? You know, they can they could start, you know, getting ready for whatever that next wave is going to be. What would you say.
00:59:19:18 – 00:59:52:20
Ray
If we're talking about the new era, beginning with the Jupiter, Saturn in Aquarius and Pluto moving into Aquarius, then the urge, the drive underlying all of our collective movement is towards freedom. Okay? People want freedom. They want freedom as an escape from loneliness. And they really do want to connect with each other. They really, as we go through this next 20 years, is not about becoming isolated in your cell phone, you know, in your social media.
00:59:52:23 – 01:00:34:23
Ray
It's about transcending that and starting to connect again. So when you ask him what the opportunity is, is it is seeking freedom and you point out really well, what can we do to invest in ourselves? Well, that's exactly right. Invest in yourself. Invest in yourself in business. What do you need to do to survive in the world? Because this sounds tough sometimes to say, but just as important as the air that you breathe, the food that you eat, the water that you drink is your ability to understand the means of exchange of services and products with one another.
01:00:35:00 – 01:00:56:18
Ray
And that's currency, okay? Whether it's paper currency, digital currency, you have to survive in the world. You can't survive unless you take care of yourself and have some kind of a tone to exchange in terms of service or product or something that you can give to society that will be rewarded in return and will take care of you.
01:00:56:22 – 01:01:18:17
Ray
You can't depend upon the government. You can't depend upon the company, the corporation. You have to invest in yourself to develop your own skills that will be marketable. There will be a value, whether it's a service or product that you develop or invention you come up with. You need to develop that. You aren't going to be able to work 9 to 5.
01:01:18:19 – 01:01:48:22
Ray
Now I'm pushing papers because we're not going to have papers that much longer. It's going to be digital. You need to get yourself adjusted. This be an astrologer, be a psychologist, be somebody who's a helper. Help people through this transition. You got awareness, you got consciousness. If you're an astrologer already conscious, and if you're not aware of it yet studied, understand karma, understand karma, then everything that you think leads to an action.
01:01:48:22 – 01:02:16:24
Ray
Every action that you initiate leads to a reaction. You get to a consequence. Be responsible for the consequences that you're initiating. Because the first step toward real knowledge is karma. Understanding karma and after that, the second step is even harder. Patience, learn. Patience, tolerance and patience is very hard for me to be tolerant with people. When I see what's going on.
01:02:17:01 – 01:02:37:10
Ray
But I'm being patient, you know? I'm trying to learn patience and let them work this out and having faith it is going to work out. I have faith in my own karma. I'm always going to land on my feet. You know, I never go through such struggle and such misery that I that I want to leave. I know some people do, but I, I have struggles, everybody has struggles.
01:02:37:10 – 01:02:56:22
Ray
There's times I think this is too painful. When's it going to end? Well, fortune is astrologer. I know everything comes to an end. A new cycle begins. So be patient, understand that this is understand karma and these are the consequence of your behaviors. And you and you must learn to react so you have better consequence. If you don't like the consequence, you're going through.
01:02:57:03 – 01:03:16:23
Ray
And then be patient. Your karma is going to work out. You're going to be okay. I don't think the good Lord or whatever put you onto this planet, put you here to suffer. I know the Buddhist. There's a whole theory of Buddhism that the earth is suffering, while Earth is also joy. I don't I don't fear the idea of coming back in another lifetime.
01:03:16:23 – 01:03:38:00
Ray
I actually look forward to it. But that's just me. I understand people suffer too much. They want to escape. But I think there's joy in this planet too. And it comes from relationships where you understand the your view of your actions. It comes from being patient and it comes from wanting to connect, wanting to help other people, wanting to be part of a relationship and many relationships.
01:03:38:00 – 01:03:43:12
Ray
I think that's the key to your evolution is how you handle your relationships.
01:03:43:14 – 01:04:24:12
Amanda
So it's like this feels receiving what you're saying feels like liquid gold. Like it just feels like, yes, yes, yes. And just so hopeful. And would you agree? So if, if the if the collective impulse is towards freedom and connection, that if our audience can help facilitate that for people. So if you can play a role in helping people experience a greater sense of freedom and connection, that the currency piece will work itself out, because if if they're offering that value to to people on their path, they don't need to worry.
01:04:24:12 – 01:04:44:23
Amanda
It doesn't matter if it's bitcoin or or cash or whatever, like whatever that, that currency piece, the actual mechanism of it isn't as important as the adding value to people's lives and solving problems that they're having with and for them, you know, and enabling a greater sense of freedom.
01:04:45:00 – 01:04:53:22
Ray
Yeah, it's all about exchange. You know, the freedom comes from mastering the exchange. And that's that's what you are meant to be.
01:04:53:24 – 01:05:15:16
Amanda
Would you agree that exchange and currency is going to be more and more based on the relationship, the the bonds of affection, so to speak, the, you know, the trust, the the authenticity and awareness of who you're actually doing business with, does that ring true to you?
01:05:15:18 – 01:05:38:14
Ray
Yeah. Yeah. There's there's three elements to pull it all together. I think in this lifetime that you must, we must all address individually. One is health. You've got a temple, you've got a body. You've got a responsibility to take care. If you don't take care of it, it's going to cause you problems. Yeah. And it's going to be really hard for you to be free if you're in pain because you're not taking care of yourself.
01:05:38:16 – 01:06:04:18
Ray
Okay. So the first thing is health. Second and third, they're both equal. But but, what is your understanding, your purpose, as you mentioned, your currency of exchange, whether service or product, you've got to have some kind of a talent or service that you can exchange to get by in this, in this lifetime. So you got to pay attention, your career, your purpose in life.
01:06:04:20 – 01:06:25:03
Ray
And the third thing is relationships. You know, you're not going to be happy if you're very successful. Even if you're healthy, you're not to be happy if you can't. What are the Beatles say? The love you get is equal to the love that you give. Okay? You got to give love. To get love. You got to get love and give love.
01:06:25:05 – 01:06:52:21
Ray
If you can't do that, you're not going to be happy. You can be the most successful person. The world. Yeah, money helps, but it's it's not enough. And health helps. But it's not enough by itself. You really have to give love and be able to receive love. And that's really hard. And that's part of our purpose of, being incarnated to, I think, in any lifetime, you know, you're just not going to survive on an island by yourself.
01:06:52:23 – 01:07:12:24
Ray
You're in a cave meditating. You've got to get out there and be involved. This way. You got the body, this way, you got the temple. Take care of it and be involved and help other people take care of their temple, which includes the mind. You got physical health, you got mental health. You got spiritual health. All of these are health facilitators to a happiness in life.
01:07:13:01 – 01:07:15:06
Ray
so I agree with you, Ray.
01:07:15:06 – 01:07:43:07
Amanda
I am just I feel so blessed right now, and I just, I know that you don't do a whole lot of interviews, and the fact that you have come to have this conversation with me, with my thousands of my closest friends here at Astrology Hub, I'm just so grateful. This feels really important. It feels really important for us to get this kind of wisdom transmitted to us at this really pivotal moment in time.
01:07:43:07 – 01:08:21:14
Amanda
Before we go into this Aries vortex and before, because we we have this foresight now, we have this foresight. And with that comes a sense of responsibility. You actually use it for good and and I know that this community is up for that. So Ray, thank you for the lifetime of work that you've done of joy that you've had of curiosity that you've explored, of all the things that you've done to get to this point where you can now truly hold a light for us and really help us along our paths with the tool of astrology.
01:08:21:14 – 01:08:29:17
Amanda
As you know, the forefront of of the tools that you use. Thank you for that. It's just it's invaluable.
01:08:29:19 – 01:08:32:14
Ray
Thank you. Thanks for the opportunity.
01:08:32:16 – 01:08:33:12
Amanda
Yeah.
01:08:33:14 – 01:08:57:24
Ray
Yeah. Thank you for having me on. I mean, this has been a pleasure for me. You ask questions that brought out thoughts for me that, not many interviewers have ever attempted to do. I think you have a real gift here, too. And this podcast and the work that you're doing, I think it plays a very important role in the very things that I'm talking about that are going to lead us into and through this period of, evolution as a human family.
01:08:58:04 – 01:09:00:20
Ray
So thank you for tuning in as well.
01:09:00:22 – 01:09:31:18
Amanda
Wow. Thank you. Okay, okay. You're making me cry. So you see why I was so excited to bring Ray on the show? If you have an opportunity to join that retreat in September. I mean, my God, yes. And then we already have plans to bring Ray back on the show in March of 2025. Around right around some of these times where some of these transits that we've talked about today are going to be happening, specifically March 2025.
01:09:31:22 – 01:09:33:03
Amanda
But we have there are.
01:09:33:05 – 01:09:36:04
Ray
The Aries vortex starting in March of 2025.
01:09:36:06 – 01:09:54:24
Amanda
Yeah. So we'll kick off that Aries vortex with Ray again. And then I just want to plant the seed because it's not available right now. But when we do meet in March 20th of 2025, he does have a two year program. So for those of you out there who are like, oh my God, this is it for me.
01:09:54:24 – 01:10:18:24
Amanda
Like, I want to know this, I want to study this. I want to go deep with this. You're going to have an opportunity to do that. It's a two year program. It's very extensive. But he's going to open up registration in March. It doesn't start until September of 2025, but you have between now and then to kind of get get ready and think about it and consider if this is part of your path going into this new era, this new renaissance.
01:10:19:03 – 01:10:40:24
Amanda
I mean, how valuable? Because no matter, again, I'm going to say this again, no matter the mechanisms that we're using, whether it's via AI or, you know, some of these other things, the ability to to anticipate these cycles. I mean, actually, how do you see AI playing into the work that you've been doing?
01:10:41:01 – 01:10:53:04
Ray
very, very importantly, let's see here that I have that here. Yeah, we talked about that a little bit here. Yeah. I think AI is extremely important as part of the whole technological revolution that we're talking about.
01:10:53:06 – 01:11:00:22
Amanda
Right. But for astrologers and for astrology, like, I know there's a lot of fear that AI is going to, like, replace astrologers or replace astrology.
01:11:01:02 – 01:11:25:19
Ray
Well, it can only it can only replace astrology up until the point that you're an astrologer who has to keep going back and looking up notes, then having problems. Right? But you know, is a an authentic professional astrologer or is creating in the moment what the client is. They're talking and seeing them come alive in their chart. And that's not written yet.
01:11:25:21 – 01:11:33:22
Ray
So they're never be a time when the astrologer is replaced. If the astrologers authentic and creative in my view.
01:11:33:23 – 01:11:45:13
Amanda
There you go. That's the word creative AI isn't going to replace our inherent creativity and our connection to source. It can only take all the information that's already available out.
01:11:45:13 – 01:11:46:15
Ray
There.
01:11:46:17 – 01:11:50:11
Amanda
And present it in a way that's very efficient and very helpful.
01:11:50:13 – 01:11:51:16
Ray
But in terms.
01:11:51:16 – 01:11:56:16
Amanda
Of being on the forefront of creation, that is our role as humans.
01:11:56:18 – 01:12:12:13
Ray
And a good astrologer is a listener. You know, he wants he or she wants to know what is your issues. And then they'll say, okay, here are your choices. Based on my understanding of astrology and what you've just told me, I can't do that.
01:12:12:15 – 01:12:12:21
Amanda
Yeah.
01:12:12:21 – 01:12:16:23
Ray
So okay, there is a future for astrologers for sure.
01:12:17:00 – 01:12:31:23
Amanda
Right? You're amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And thanks to all of you who have hung out here with us for over an hour now. I hope that you've gotten value out of this, out of this dialog and out of this presentation from Ray and I just want to thank you for being a part of our community.
01:12:31:23 – 01:12:56:24
Amanda
Thank you for showing up, for being curious for for holding these questions in your heart because you are the future. Like, this is the future where we can we can really focus on adding value to the collective human experience. And astrology is so helpful for us in this because you get the insights into your personal mission, what you came here to do as an individual.
01:12:56:24 – 01:13:16:05
Amanda
So, and I love what you said about diversity in service to unity. Oh my gosh. Okay. So many quotable moments of this episode. Right. And thanks again, all of you for being here. Ray. Thank you for for being here. And I can't wait for more conversation. Go check out his retreat. We put those links in the show notes.
01:13:16:07 – 01:13:25:20
Amanda
make sure you take advantage of your hundred dollars off for being a part of the astrology of community. Ray, thank you for that generous offer. And take care, everyone. I can't wait to connect with you on the next episode.