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​[00:00:00]

All right,

my friends, today we are going to be doing a deep dive on a planetary being who has been in the spotlight quite a bit these days. We're talking about Saturn. We're gonna take this conversation beyond just the Saturn and Neptune conjunction that just happened at zero degrees of Aries and really start to unpack the archetype of Saturn.

Also talking about Saturn cycles throughout your life. So all the different phases. We've all heard

of the Saturn return,

but there are some other Saturn cycles that we are all living through that are really, really important to know about. In addition, we're gonna talk about Saturn Transits, so including that Saturn, Neptune transit we just had.

But what about other Saturn transits, especially when they are hitting your chart personally. So Saturn conjunct your sun

or Saturn

on your ascendant or opposing something important. So we're gonna be doing a deep dive on [00:01:00] all of these topics, and we have someone here with us today

who is so amazing.

Mark Lorenson, who has been practicing

and teaching astrology for. Over 30 years, 40 years

Yeah. Yeah, about

that. I mean, I got my first book at 10,

but I've been seriously into astrology since

my SAT and return. There you go. So

first one.

you go.

So someone who has

over 30

years. Yeah.

Yes. And someone who has lived through and known about astrology through a lot of the Saturn Transits, which we

were talking about

before we went live. How Katie, who is helping us on this podcast and myself, we, neither one of us knew anything about astrology when we had our first Saturn return.

And so now that we do know about astrology, it feels like, okay, we can actually be prepared for the next big one and see how that the experience of

Saturn

is different. So Mark. We're so happy to have you here. Thank

you for joining Uh, thank you, Amanda.

As I said, I love being here. I [00:02:00] love being on

Astrology Hub. It's

It's

Thank you.

Alright, so let's start with Saturn as an archetype. How Saturn is misunderstood, how you interpret Saturn

in the chart.

And

just from an archival energy

perspective.

Yeah. First off,

I just wanna say I know this planet really, really well.

Because it aspects six of my natal planets, including

being in a grand cross with my sun, my moon, and my ascendant.

So I've got my sun and

my moon in opposition. My ascendant squares it and Saturn squares it from the

other side. So, so I know this planet. I know how it works.

And the age I am now, hopefully I'm working

with it well,

because really

I

wanna. The stigma that Saturn has. when everybody talks about Saturn in our charts, they all go, Ooh, Saturn. it becomes, the great maleic, that's the tag that was given by the ancient

astrologers.

truly Saturn, what Saturn does

is it sees our [00:03:00] potential.

It sees our contract, it sees what we want

to, to live into this lifetime. It sees where we wanna go, and it sees how good we can be at this, And so

Saturn doesn't want you to waste it

Saturns on your case, on the level of don't waste your potential, don't waste your

life.

So if

you wanna put it in a picture. Maybe it is like the teacher or the coach

that sees the

student

who is really

good at something, who's got a natural talent

at the violin or a naturally good swimmer or something, and they pinpoint that student and actually go, I want you

to

be the best, so I'm gonna be on your case. I'm gonna make sure that you are gonna be the best

violin player in

the

world or the, or

an Olympic swimmer.

I'm gonna make sure

of that. So therefore, we're gonna have to work. We are gonna

have to work at it. Don't waste your talent

and

for [00:04:00] us.

There is something in all of us, we've come here for a reason.

As

there is something in all

of us that has something really, really special to offer.

And Saturn's not

just about the outside things that we have

to do. Saturn

is also the person we wanna become and the person we wanna be.

But really in the end, to me,

it's become

my favorite planet

because it has

guided me so

well

to becoming the

person I want

to become.

And I can see it's

all

Saturn

because every time I've had really strong Saturn stuff in my life,

I've always

had to sit down and

assess.

I've always had to sit down and assess who

I am, where I'm going, how much I'm owning my life, and

how much I'm giving it away. I think so many of us

are still feeling we have to

wait for permission to

live our lives.

we still think that things outside of us are gonna do it for us, or we feel like, we have [00:05:00] to, we have to salute too many things outside of us, and wait

for something to happen.

But Saturn is actually going Uhuh, you

are in the driver's seat.

You are the owner of your life. You are the boss of your life. You're

in the driver's seat.

You don't have to wait for anybody to tell you how to do it or what

to do, but we're grown up

that way. We've grown up thinking there's authority

figures out there.

There's people who are

gonna try to stop

us.

There are people, we are always gonna have to, get some

kind of approval

from. And Saturn's like Uhuh.

You've got a, you've got your mountain, you've come here for

a reason. Your mountain is there to climb, and it's up to

you to put one step, one foot in

front

of the other and start climbing that mountain.

Now, another reason they didn't like

it

was Saturn says, you are

responsible for

your life

as well.

So therefore, everything you do, every step you take, every thought

you

make.

every the way you react

to things and the way you

do [00:06:00] things, you are totally responsible for what's going on here.

Okay? But being accountable for what's going on is fantastic because when

you're accountable

and when you're

responsible, then you know that your life is in your own hands. You know that

you can't

blame anymore.

And there's some, there's a form of safety that comes from blaming. it was my mother's fault, it

was my money, it

was my husband, it was my children. You can blame, blame, blame,

blame. blame. And then

if things don't work out

in your life, you can actually say, oh, it's my mother.

she

got in the way.

But Saturn's actually

going, Uhuh,

Uhuh. no blaming involved

here.

What about you? What did you do

in this particular situation? So everything gets brought back to you again.

And so again,

being accountable. And being able to,

you know, come into a place of

realizing that everything I do is still up to me.

So even if my mother is difficult, even

if my money[00:07:00]

isn't coming in as, well, as I hope it would, I can't blame that. I can't actually point to that and actually get that to stop me.

I'm still

responsible for how I

deal with my mother.

I'm still responsible for how I'm dealing with my financial situation.

I'm still responsible for everything out there that I can blame. I'm still responsible for how I'm going to react to it or

how I'm using it in my life.

So when you know that, then as you go through Saturn times throughout your life, you'll go through

Saturn times. You'll sit down

and

you'll go, what's

working

for

me?

And what's not?

Is the way I'm dealing with my mother working

for me?

am I feeling

that I'm heading in the right direction with her in the

way I deal with her? Or am I still allowing her, and her energy and everything about her to To challenge

me

or to stop me

or to,

to make me feel, bad about

myself or

or am I reliving old patterns

with her?

So again,

you've gotta

sit down

and you've [00:08:00] gotta actually, 'cause

Saturn is

the

planet

of reality.

It hits you right in

the face with what's going on.

It doesn't pussyfoot, it doesn't actually go, oh, you

know,

it's like, that's what it is. That's what's happening. And

so you've gotta sit

down and you've

gotta look at your life,

head

on. And

you've gotta actually say that's not working. And so if it's not working, I've gotta do

something about

it.

It's up to me to do something about

it. I can't live the rest of my life Blaming. Particularly, something in a situation like my mom, I can't do that because I'll

never live my life. I'll never allow my life to truly flourish, and I'll

definitely never achieve anything or

triumph or anything

because I'm always looking at all the things that are gonna

stop me, which Saturn is trying to actually go.

You've gotta do

something about the

way you react to those things. So

it's a wonderful planet.

You work, you have to work

at it. if you wanna

build muscle, you've gotta go to

the gym. If [00:09:00] you wanna lose weight, you've gotta eat the right things. There's work. And there is impulse control. That's another big one.

Impulse control. you

know,

and that feeling of, you know, oh, I'd love

to do that, but you know, in the back of your mind, this is not good for me.

Hmm.

the long run, it's not gonna be good for

me.

So there is something in us, the discipline in us, that can actually

say,

no, I'm not gonna

do that.

And the average person doesn't really like that

all that much because we love to be indulgent.

We love to be irresponsible, we love to throw our

life away, just for the

smaller, insignificant things. And Saturns always gonna be going really in the long run.

Are they things you can take forward? Are they

things that are really gonna be, important at the end of the day? Are they things

you're gonna be proud of?

Are they things,

you know,

when you're taking your last breath at 103? Are those things you're

gonna be looking back

at and

be happy

you did [00:10:00] or not?

So, mark, we don't have to learn all these things all at once though. Right?

So, First

of all, it sounds like the ultimate like tough love parent, the one who, it's not easy, but they're the ones who really help to shape and mold you into who you can be but we go through cycles.

So we have these different phases of life,

different times in our life

when

Saturn is making really critical movements. Throughout our chart

And emphasizing different things

at different times, and we get to mature with Saturn over time. So can we talk about those cycles? Because everyone talks about the Saturn returns, but there's some other really critical points in between that are really important to pay attention to.

And so can we talk about what those are?

Sure, sure. Very

much so. See, Saturn is Kronos. It's about

time. Saturn is the Lord of time and Saturn's here on the planet in the time

and space, what we [00:11:00] deal

with here

with time and

space. So time

is a big

thing for Saturn

and I wanna say wherever Saturn is in your natal chart, it's not gonna happen early for you. don't expect Saturn and everything to do with Saturn to really flourish in your teens or your twenties. It's gonna take a little bit of time for wherever Saturn is in your chart to really get to a stage where you're actually thinking, oh, this is good. Because Saturn is about maturity. Saturn is about

that feeling of as

actually climbing the mountain and getting closer and closer, and it's one step at a

time.

So therefore, as you're growing

older.

You're not only

gonna have your returns, you're gonna

have your Saturn

return just before 30 and the second one just before 60. And if you're lucky enough to live that long, you'll have another one just before

90.

But it's not only

those times

you are gonna get in between, you're gonna get your oppositions Saturn opposite

Saturn,

which is like a Saturn full moon.

And I'll go

into that

in a big way when

we do our, when we do our workshop.

and

then you get your squares. [00:12:00] In between you

get your roughly seven to eight years

years in between.

After your first Saturn return, you're gonna get your Saturn square

and then you're gonna get

your opposition, and then you're gonna

get your third square

or your waxing square, and then it's gonna go back to the return again.

So all the time these are like signposts, they're like milestone times

for you in a Saturn way, and

they are

like tears of go of going up. Going up the mountain or climbing up the

ladder. There are different tiers

and it's gonna depend on your chart, of course, where they land in your chart, by sign and by house.

and also they're going to, if there are other aspects involved with other planets, they're gonna play

into it

for sure

as well. But, the.

The opposition,

the first opposition you have is 14, 14 15, which a lot of teachers say is the nightmare class to teach,

in

grade.

Eighth grade,

freshman [00:13:00] year,

pretty much. Yes.

in Australia it's, it's

I think it's called Year nine in Australia, which is, yeah.

So the 14, 15 time the kids. Are really starting to come into their thinking. They can have a bit of authority

themselves,

and they

think that they, the authorities

against them, so there's authority, against authority. And so they're

at their most

kind

of. I don't wanna

say every 14 or 15-year-old is like this, but that can be at their most cantankerous during this time because it's my authority against your authority,

But they are growing up. They

are growing up

for the first time,

and it is gonna be,

it's it's adolescence, the body is changing around

that time.

Boys and girls are turning into adults at that time. If their body, everything is

happening to their bodies and they're not little kids anymore.

Okay. So the second one is in our early forties, but the second one happens[00:14:00]

with Neptune Square, Neptune, Pluto Square, Pluto, and Uranus coming up to opposite Uranus. So it, I don't wanna say

it gets caught up in the mix of that, but it does,

it's another full moon, on the

level

of

where am

I right now, at the halfway point of my

life.

where am I?

the first, Saturn

opposition is around 14, 15,

Mm-hmm.

The

and you're calling it a, like a full moon, like a Saturn

full

Yes.

Yeah, everything. everything yeah. There's a feeling of things coming

to a head at this particular

time.

And the second one. The second one is

in the early forties, and you're saying there's also a lot of other lifecycle transits that are happening at that same time. So

it's not as distinct, but it's still happening.

I.

it's really interesting because.

these particular lifecycle transits, can sometimes be, particularly Pluto can happen at different ages, depending on when you were born.

So. Pluto could be before [00:15:00] it, or Pluto could be after it, depending on when you are. But it could get

in,

could get caught in the mix.

But I don't wanna actually, I don't wanna actually say, oh, it's gonna, just go

into the blender.

I wanna say there

it is, there was something very distinct about

the second,

Opposition that you have

after your first,

return. It happens roughly between 42 40, around

42 43.

this period of time, you are at

the

halfway point of the life. If you

want to do the math, you know what I mean? You are kind of really

looking quite. Straight

down the line

of, this is it, you know, I've done half of my life and I'm about to

start the next half of my life.

And again,

this is

the time

where you really reassess.

from the first half of your

life, all the stuff

that has worked and all the stuff that hasn't worked.

And you've gotta really be very, very,

very real with yourself, very

truthful with yourself around this time, and be

able to look

objectively because Saturns an objective planet.

[00:16:00] Saturn keeps

emotion right

out

of the way, truly does. SATs an objective planet, and you've gotta be objective around the things that. Didn't work, and you've gotta be objective around how you. Were a big part of

why they didn't

work.

And again, this

is not about blaming you. This is not

about saying, oh, you're a

bad person.

This is just about you being aware enough about yourself to realize that I

was in the mix of all the things that didn't work, and now I

can be clear

to realize, okay, I did this. I thought this, I reacted

this way and be able to, at this point. Be

able to go, okay, I want the second half of my life. To

take more charge of the second half of my life,

to be more in control of the second half of my life.

So I can see where I

went wrong

in the first half, and now I know that I'm responsible and I'm in the driver's seat

for [00:17:00] correcting

that, for doing something different. It's up to me.

And so that's

the second.

full Moon, that's a second, Saturn, opposite Saturn you get in your

early forties.

It has that kind of, I

find

that a lot of people

don't

really want to look.

Or take responsibility for

the things that went wrong. They want to still

actually say, it was

my husband

or it was my job, or,

rather than actually go, no, I played a

part in that. I played a part in that.

And again, it's not necessarily I played a part in

a bad way.

It could be I played in a pa, a part, in staying in it for too long.

It doesn't make you a bad person, it just means I played a part

it goes down that road of you going, okay,

I realize that every relationship from now on, I'm gonna lay down who I am and what I want, and

the kind of, the things I, I want in a relationship.

I'm gonna put that down straight away before we even start, [00:18:00] because I didn't in my first relationship and it.

In a bad way.

Okay,

so the opposition, we have the second one in the forties.

Then when's the third one?

the third one

you'll have in your early seventies.

Early seventies. Okay. And each of these are culminating moments of where am I at? What have I accomplished?

What have I not accomplished? How did I contribute to where I'm at right now? How can I change that going forward?

Now let's talk about the squares.

Well, the squares are really interesting because they happen roughly every seven to eight

years.

between

both of them,

between the opposition and the return.

I don't

know if in America if this series was, popular, but there was a British series

called Seven Up,

where there was a group of, interviewers, reporters that went into a kindergarten of seven

year olds and interviewed them all.

little kids, And then seven years later, they met up with the same kids when

they were 14, [00:19:00] 15.

And interviewed them again.

And then seven years later when they were 21, 22. Interviewed them again, and they're in their sixties now. They're

coming up to 70 now. The first

one

was in 1964, so they were born in

57 and they're all coming up to 70

now.

And, they've been interviewing them every

seven years

throughout their lives. So you've been following their lives basically.

was

this

based on astrology or did they just

they, astrology is not mentioned, but I was told many

years ago that when it

was first started, they were following the Saturn cycle.

Oh, wow.

They were following the seven Yeah. Isn't it just,

They were following the seven

year Saturn cycle to have a look at where they

were every seven years.

So it is,

It isn't another version of an assessment time. It

is a version of being able to

sit down again with yourself and have a good look at what's happening in your life and where you're going

in your life,

And

Because you're looking at seven [00:20:00] years.

it is for me, seven is one

of those numbers. it's a really, really interesting number.

And, when you're looking at the harmonics of the seventh Harmonic, in,

in astrology,

it's a very spiritual, it's got a very spiritual bent to it.

The seventh

harmonic planets that

are in, a,

a 50. 51 degree aspect to each other are in the seventh harmonic,

and it's very spiritual.

And I've experienced

that myself. I've had,

In my quarters, in my squares. I've had moments where

I've had

spiritual years where I've really, allowed myself to bring soul or spirit in a big way to help me and

to guide me during those particular times.

I feel that that's. Seems to be for me,

and what I've experienced and what I've noticed in my clients,

it feels that that wants

to come in during

the quarters, during the squeeze. Yeah. Yeah.

So Mark. Okay, so basically we

can, if

we know [00:21:00] our seven times

tables,

we can figure out where we're at in this cycle. My question is, in the inner circle we work with the lunar

cycle quite a bit.

we

set our

intentions together at the New Moon, and you're gonna be an inner circle guide for Pisces coming

Yeah, I'm

looking forward.

to that. Yeah.

So, but one of the

things is

as we're working with that lunar cycle, the first quarter moon, they call like the crisis point. And the third quarter moon is like integration, right? Because you're coming, you're closing up a cycle and you're learning. it doesn't work that way. Also with Saturn it it, would you

say that

first square around age seven and

then we can do

our.

Times tables forward,

but it can be a little bit of a crisis point. And then if you're coming up on a closing square, like me for example, 'cause I'm gonna

be 49 next year, so that'll be a closing square.

Is that a a, a

more introspective integration time?

Yeah, for [00:22:00] sure, for sure. And you've gotta

remember too,

the seven years isn't exactly seven years. It's seven, it's roughly seven and a half years, you

could be getting your, your square,

maybe one year after the actual, the seven year thing you might be. So just make sure that you are

having a look at your chart to make sure that Saturn is actually squaring rather than actually just

going, oh, I'm 49,

so I must be squaring.

It might not

be until the following year. That kind of thing.

is it that exact mark,

Like, like even if you were within orb of that square, would you be feeling it? Or is

Yeah. Oh Yeah. Yeah,

for sure. For

sure.

Yeah, the, the exact could be,

you might be thinking, oh, I'm 49, so I'm having

a square, but the exact square might be happening

at 50. You

know what I mean? But at 49, you would definitely be feeling

it for sure. sure.

Okay. Yeah,

getting back to your question,

because the first square after the

return is

moving

up, it's moving forward and if you're looking at the moon, the moon is waxing

at this [00:23:00] particular time.

So if you wanna put that.

with the Saturn, it is a waxing Saturn and so. I wanna say that Saturn is moving forward at the waxing times, and

so everything that you might be assessing over this period of time or everything

that you might be,

Being able

to, come into a place where you are really looking at your life and how much of your life is in your hands and

how much

isn't,

is

it's all about where I'm moving forward, where am I going?

And it's all about taking more on, that feeling of I want more

in

life and I'm heading towards something more.

Coming up the mountain. The, the

third quarter square, the one

in

between the, opposition and going back to the,

return

again,

it's a waning square.

It's the waning square. So it's a

releasing point. I wanna say

Saturn is big

on culling. Saturn's a big color.

Saturn looks at everything and goes, why is that still in your

life?

what's that [00:24:00] going?

What's that

doing there? Why are you still talking about that? Why is that person still Saturn's always going?

Is it working for you? That's Saturn. Is it working for you?

And

if it's not, get it out. Saturn's that cut and dried. If it's not working for you, if it's pulling you down, if it's making you upset, get it out. That's what

sentences.

Mark, uh,

Rick Levine, you know who we've featured him on this

platform quite a bit over the years. Yes. He, one time said that

words with ST often correlate with Saturn qualities. And as you were speaking, I was thinking,

oh. Just

To be streamlined. And that's a, it is a new

st

word in terms of, stoic and all these, there's other, Saturn words that he uses, but streamlined, it sounds like Saturn is wanting

us

to just not have any dead weight, not have

any, extraneous things that are unnecessary as

we move forward. Hmm,

totally.

Saturn

gets everything down to the bare [00:25:00] bone. Saturn doesn't like, yeah, Saturn doesn't like anything that's hanging around for

the sake of it. of It

It It wants to

get

everything and

the bones are

Saturn. Saturn rules,

our bones. Saturn

rules, the structure of what we are and

who we are and

everything

on the bone,

Which is,

the whole

idea of the bone,

the actual bone, when all the meat's taken away, we've still got

the bone, And even after, we're finished with our bodies, our bones. Other things that still remain. So you can

see how

the bones of strength, and

I love, uh, Rick

with his ST words because, strength and

stamina,

Streamlining.

Yes,

you just said another one too there. There's a lot, actually. It's a fun game when you start to think about it. and think of all the Saturn words.

Okay.

we're gonna be going really deep into the cycles in the workshop that we're

doing. That you're gonna be teaching next

week, which is amazing.

Hi, friends. If you are loving this conversation and it's bringing up some questions for you about your own [00:26:00] Saturn journey, I would love to extend an invitation to you to Mark's upcoming live Saturn Cycles webinar happening here at Astrology Hub on Tuesday, March 3rd.

Mark is going to guide you step by step on how to calculate your Saturn cycles, how to identify which phase you're in right now, and what each threshold is inviting you into.

He will also walk you through real chart examples so you can see how Saturn weaves story across an entire lifetime, not just at the Saturn return.

This webinar is an opportunity to start consciously working with these important chapters in your life and identify exactly what they mean for you.

We will also be hosting a live q and a as part of this webinar series so you can have the opportunity to ask your questions and dive even deeper into Mark's teachings.

And even if you can't make it live, we will be releasing replays of these sessions and you will [00:27:00] have lifetime access to the recordings.

To learn more, head to astrology hub.com/saturn cycles. We're also gonna drop that link in the show notes. I can't wait to see you there. And now back to the episode.

So tell us a little bit about Saturn Transits and

what are

the biggest Saturn Transits, for example, like when Saturn's doing, what is it a big deal in your chart? And will we all experience Saturn transits throughout our

life?

Yeah.

everyone's gonna have

a Saturn transit because,

Saturn moves right around the

chart, as we all know, in 29 years.

So in that 29 years, Saturn

is gonna go right around and hit every single planet. It's

gonna make, co

conjunctions to every planet, opposition squares.

So. Whatever planet Saturn.

'cause Saturn takes two and a half years to go through a sign. Okay? So whatever planet that Saturn is

going to be making an aspect to, it's gonna be there for a while

because Saturn [00:28:00] generally goes over

the planet

Then retrogrades back over it again and then does another forward over the top of it. So if a planet is in, aspect while

it's doing that, it could be the best part of

a year, sometimes even more with, with this Saturn energy coming onto that

particular planet.

Now, what I wanna say is whatever planet it

is,

and I wanna say the sun and the moon. And

the personal

planets, but particularly the Sun of the Moon, the personal planets of Mercury,

Venus, and Mars, they are gonna feel it the most because we are gonna feel it really strongly,

a as.

As humans, as people Saturn going over the

outers,

is

more collective, you're still

gonna feel it. You'll still feel, Saturn

going over your Uranus or Saturn going over your Pluto. You'll

still feel it, but it's collective.

Everybody born around the time you

were born. We're all going through the same thing.

It's gonna be much more personal with your son, your [00:29:00] moon, your Mercury, Venus,

and Mars. So what it's actually doing, it's actually coming into a place

of you asking you how much are you

owning this

planet?

How much are you really owning

this planet?

How much is this planet directed in a

way?

That's heading towards something that looks beneficial, that looks useful, that

looks productive,

that looks, that looks like it's going to be a big part of your master plan. And if you are saying. ,

still allowing other people to walk all over this planet. Then what will happen

is that, and this is why Saturn has

often got called the maleic. If you are not

using that planet in a way that's going to be useful and beneficial to you and you owning it and taking charge of it, what will happen is the.

[00:30:00] The way you are playing

that planet,

it might be dysfunctionally. The way you are playing that planet at that time will become even more, it'll become tighter. It'll become even

more tight.

It'll become even more, because that's the only way Saturn is gonna get you to do

something about it.

Because, for

instance,

if

it is your moon,

if Saturn's on your

moon

and you are

still.

Emotionally giving yourself away.

You are still allowing,

you are still

needy, you are still codependent,

you are still dealing emotionally with other people's stuff and taking responsibility for all their stuff and getting drowned emotionally by everything and everyone around you.

Saturn will actually

come to a place where that will become

even.

Even tighter for you, it'll become even more challenging for

you or more restrictive for you. In a way [00:31:00] it'll feel like,

oh my God, if my daughter

rings me

one more time about all her crap

and expects

me to do something about

it, if she,

I'm gonna scream. because Satan's actually saying,

you've gotta let your

daughter know that she's a big girl now.

She's gotta actually work it out herself. She's gotta actually find a way

of being able

to, whatever her dilemma is,

you've gotta actually say, honey, I'm not helping you by

running over to your place all

the time and fixing you. I'm

not helping you

I, by enabling

you. I'm not helping you. So I've gotta let

you do it.

I've gotta let you find out a way of doing this yourself.

And Saturn

is saying, that's what I want you to

do.

It is like Saturn wants

us to become the tough love

parent in that

situation. Right?

The other thing that I'm curious about is does it matter or how much does it change? Saturn's. Tough love conversation with you if [00:32:00] it's conjunct or square or opposing, does the aspect itself change it that much or is it the same drumbeat that Saturn is playing for you?

you mean, would

a

Saturn conjunct planet

be different to Saturn squaring a

planet?

Is

Yeah, yeah. And kind

of like how different, is it basically Saturn saying the same thing?

Where are you taking responsibility?

Where are you giving your power away?

where are you still immature?

I is that basically Saturn's conversation with us

all the time?

Pretty much so, pretty much so. I mean, there won't be a huge difference because you'll still be going through a Saturn experience. It'll be

a Saturn experience, whether

it's conjunct, square, or opposition. Sometimes I

find the oppositions, not all the time, but sometimes

they'll come in via something opposite you, a

person,

They'll come in,

in a.

In a way where you could be challenged directly from somebody else.

squares

to me, the Saturn squares always feel it [00:33:00] rubs up against, it's like a friction kind of thing. it's like a rough, rough material

rubbing up against your skin and it feels like you have to,

oh, I have to get this jacket off.

It's really, that kind of feeling. So

there's an

irritation of

sorts that comes with a square. But I wanna say

when you are doing your Saturn, when a

Saturn

is in aspect to any parts of your chart, your natal chart, the other side

of that, the other side of that,

what you get from that when you

actually

start to go, no, I'm responsible.

For me in

this

situation, I'm responsible for how

I'm dealing with it, how I'm reacting to it.

I'm, I realize the

way I deal with it

is not working. I realize the

way

I deal with it is only dragging me

down and making it hard for me.

So fixing that and healing that and coming to a place

of actually going,

no,

I'm not gonna be doing that anymore.

I'm gonna actually come

to a place now where I realize that it's up to me in the end. It's all the balls in my

court in the end. On the [00:34:00] other

side of

that

is a feeling of being

able to head

into

life and go

further into life with that feeling of.

of. Freedom

doesn't get talked about with

Saturn all that much.

You hear freedom,

a lot with uras and freedom, a lot with, even

with Jupiter. But

that feeling of

you

looking after yourself and doing what you need to do in your life for your

reasons.

Not not having to be responsible for everything else that's going on around you. There's a sense of freedom that comes with that.

There's a sense of freedom that comes with being your boss, your own boss, your own CEO.

it's a

different form of freedom, but it is freedom.

Well, freedom through discipline,

Right?

Saturn can teach us that within, levels of discipline, we can actually experience more

freedom

in our lives.

Exactly.

and the discipline comes from, sorry, Amanda. The discipline

comes

from. just using that scenario

ab [00:35:00] about my daughter who always drags

me into her problems. The discipline comes from you still not giving

in.

she'll try again and she'll try again, and she'll try again. And there might be a part of you that goes, ah, I can't, I'm gonna go, I'm

gonna go over.

And the discipline

is.

On you disciplining yourself enough to actually go, no, you'll be back in the same boat if you do that. So

the discipline

is to stay strong.

To stay strong,

allow her to do what she

needs to do.

It's like

we do that to Saturn,

Like Saturn's actually trying to help us grow up and become responsible human beings who are, who are living the life we came here to live

you know,

we've all had to do that in our lives. There's certain people we've had to create boundaries around, and in the moment we might feel mean and they might think

we're

mean. But we know that we're doing

it because

E either it's a

self-love thing and it's love of the other person just wanting [00:36:00] not to, wanting to enable people to stay in their smaller selves.

right. And that's what

Saturn's doing for us all

the time.

That's

exactly it.

Okay,

So again, you can go and

check the

link in the show notes for that and then. Mark, let's talk about your Pisces lunar cycle in the inner circle and your mastery class on the nodes, the lunar nodes. What are we gonna be learning

about there?

So the mastery class on the nodes, I'm a

big nodes fan.

People who know my work, I'm always gonna be the nodes. I start with the nodes in readings. They're

always up first

or very, very close to

it.

the

nodes

are so important in our lives

As a lot of us already know the south node carries energy from what we know

from before. Is it

reincarnation? Is it down the family? Whatever

it is,

it is stuff that we know from before and we bring it in again

and it feels in a way. That this particular energy,

it's not that it was wrong or was not that was

bad, and we could have done it

well, but it [00:37:00] could been

over

emphasized.

But it has to

be

done differently.

It has to be done

differently this time.

And the north node, which is unchartered territory, is pointing in a direction that is gonna be so

helpful

for us. It's very different to what we know or very different to what we're

used to. It feels

very much like if I head in that direction, if I try to integrate that, it feels like my life becomes fuller.

It feels like all

of

a sudden my life really feels more

complete Now.

It feels a little bit like the self node was keeping it. In that area,

in that half, half life

area. And I feel like the rest of

my life, not necessarily

neglected, but I just didn't, probably

didn't

have much time

for it.

And this

time it feels like

this is

what I need. And so

everything

balances with the nodes. Everything comes into balance. So you're getting the two sides. You're getting the two sides of your

life activating.

It's about you being able to [00:38:00] feel the whole chart actually starts to, to feel more full.

we, as

people be, feel, feel more, alive,

more complete,

rather than just concentrating on one part of our charts, we're

actually now bringing the whole chart into the story, into the

game. Yeah.

Will you be talking

about the rulers of the nodes

And what their

placement means in the

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm doing all the rulers

of the nodes,

the ruler and all

the, planets that are in aspect

to the nodes

too.

okay.

and aspect

to the rulers of the nodes. So there is quite a technique involved with being able to really understand the nodes in the chart because there are a lot of planets involved.

It's not just the north

node in the south node. It's the

rulers of

the signs. So where are

they in your charts?

And they're gonna be playing out because if the ruler of,

say you

have a Libra South node, then the Venus will be the ruler. So wherever Venus is in

your chart, [00:39:00] she's played out

before.

She's

connected to the south node, so

wherever she's

played out before, so we're gonna look at her. We're gonna look at how she might've played out before and how she can actually

play at again this time. And she might have Mars

in opposition,

In your natal chart

so that Mars in opposition

also comes in with the story that's been played out before.

Of course, they're gonna be played out again in the chart this time around, but that Mars

venous opposition's

been played out before because she's connected to the south node. So there

is a technique and I'm

gonna

be taking people through that,

through how to do

that.

fascinating.

So every year you guys, I choose an astrologer to give me a birthday reading. Like I, I always, it's, and it's, I think it through and it's a big decision for me. 'cause

I like to have a

reading once a year around my birthday. And this year I was like. Mark, I would

love if Mark

could give me a reading and the insights that he gave me.

I mean, it [00:40:00] was. Brilliant, all

of

it. And he started with the lunar node

story, and

it was fascinating to hear the way that he was weaving, not just the nodal axis, but then the rulers of my nodal axis, and then a storyline that I have recently been privy to that feels like past life memory and how that's playing out in this

lifetime.

Fascinating. So I'm so

excited for people to get more and more skilled at interpreting the lunar nodes and in their own charts, and then

if

they read charts for other people, that it just seems like a really amazing entry point into the conversation

about

someone's life and purpose and also some of the challenges they may have in

this

Life. So yes.

Very exciting.

Mark, anything else you want to say in closing as it pertains to Saturn?

what I wanna say in closing, as far as sadness is

concerned is

our life really is ours. Our life is ours for the making. [00:41:00] Everything that we do in our life, we are in the driver's seat

of our lives

and I don't think many people really get that or really know that.

there's authority figures, there's governments, there's parents, there's things outside of us that we are gonna have to salute all our lives.

that we become employees,

and Saturn is actually going uhuh. uhuh. You are not you. You don't have

to have anybody as your boss. You are your boss. So I wanna say that for Saturn and there is work involved in this. I'm not pretending

Saturn's a walk in the park.

As I said,

I have Saturn. In a Grand Cross with my

son Moon in a Senate. So it's not a walk in

the park.

But I wanna say when you do focus

on it,

and when you do put

your attention

on owning

your life

getting into the driver's seat of what's going on,

all of a sudden,

all of a sudden it feels like your world becomes your oyster in a way it feels like,

I can take my life to

wherever I need to go now,

[00:42:00] and anything that tries to come in my way

or anything that tries

to distract me or anything that

tries to,

pull

me off track, I.

I just have to, like my strength of character, my truth, my honesty, my integrity, these are

all good Saturn words are gonna keep me,

gonna keep me on the straight

and narrow.

They're gonna keep me plowing on,

they're gonna keep me plowing

through,

to become the person I really, really wanna become this lifetime. And I'm

not allowing, in

other words, I'm not allowing anybody else or anything else to get in the way of me. Really accomplishing what I'm here to do,

So

it's work, it's discipline, it is, it's focus, it's all

those things.

But on the other side of

that is

such a wonderful feeling of being able to look at yourself in the mirror and really, really like the

person that looks back. Yes. And aren't we so lucky as astrology

students,

we get to [00:43:00] be aware of these things so we can actively participate in it and really make the most. Of these different Saturn moments in our life. I love that.

Yes, mark,

Yeah. I

really looking forward to it all. Thank you so much for this really illuminating, session on the podcast and can't wait for more.

Mark. Thank

you so much.

we're just loving having you as a teacher on the platform and just so grateful for all the wisdom that you bring to us.

so thank you for that.

thank you.

Thank you, Amanda. I'm loving it

too.

So it's

a two way street of love.

Awesome. All right, and thanks to all of you, you were included in that street of love that we just talked about

as well. Thank you so much for being out

there for tuning into this podcast, for being a part of our community, as always, for making astrology a part of your life. Cannot wait until

we get to

meet again on the next episode. Take care

everybody.

 

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