Is Astrology Guiding Your Life Before You Even Know It? | Amanda Walsh & Adam Elenbaas

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What if the most important chapters of your life were being written long before you knew how to read the stars?

In this heartfelt conversation, we’re joined by Astrology Hub’s Amanda Walsh and Nightlight Astrology’s Adam Elenbaas, to explore the remarkable synchronicities surrounding the release of their memoirs, the invisible thread that has guided each of their journeys, and why astrology is often working behind the scenes long before we're aware of it. Together, they reflect on following life's “cosmic breadcrumbs,” the creative process of writing deeply personal stories, and how looking back at our lives through an astrological lens can reveal meaning, purpose, and profound trust in the path unfolding before us.

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✨ Explore Adam Elenbaas' memoir, The Oracle Speaks, an inspiring story of following intuition, embracing synchronicity, and discovering the sacred dialogue between everyday life and astrology. Learn more at https://nightlightastrology.com/my-bo…

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00:00 — Why Tell Your Story? The Journey to Writing a Memoir
10:57 — Uncanny Synchronicities: The Covers, the Timing & the Signs
14:28 — Trusting Divine Timing: How Astrology Guided Both Books
33:15 — Behind the Books: Creativity, Vulnerability & Following Inspiration
51:44 — What Happened After The Stories Were Shared
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Transcript

Laura: Well, hello everybody. Welcome back to The Astrology Hub Podcast. My name is Laura. I'm the head of operations here at Astrology Hub and your host of today's show. Today we have a very special episode where we are hosting our very own Amanda Walsh with Nightlight Astrology's Adam Elenbaas. These two recently released separate memoirs without knowing each other were releasing memoirs within the same week of each other.

And there's a million other synchronicities between these two books. It's uncanny, and we're gonna explore all of them in today's episode. But at its core, in this episode, we're going to explore what happens when you follow the cosmic breadcrumbs. Is astrology still working in your life even when you're not aware of it? And how can you recognize when astrology was there guiding you all along? So we're gonna explore all of that in today's episode, so without further ado, let's dive in.

Why Write a Memoir?

Laura: All right, Adam, Amanda, welcome back to The Astrology Hub Podcast. It's so great to have you both here. I think it's just so wild that both of you released books at the same time, but not only books, memoirs at the same time. And so there's so many synchronicities that I'm excited to dig into with your two books today. But first, I just wanna start with why a memoir? Because—and we'll start with you, Adam—most people know you as an astrology teacher. Like, why did you feel the need to write a memoir?

Adam: Yeah. Um, well, first of all, I have to just acknowledge how crazy it was that I reached out to Amanda and asked if she would read my book, and she was like, “Oh, hey, I wrote one too.” I was like, “What?” So I'm so glad to be doing this together and to be talking about memoir and storytelling and astrology with an astrologer that, like in Amanda, in what you've done with Astrology Hub, that was legitimately top of my list to ask for a blurb for my book. So this is like—it's such a cool synchronicity. I just have to say that.

But, um, for me actually it's a super simple answer, which is that I have a master's degree and a Master of Fine Arts degree in creative writing, and my Master of Fine Arts degree is specifically in memoir writing. So I went to art school and studied memoir, and my first book was a memoir about my ayahuasca experiences. And I was already writing a column for a web magazine called Reality Sandwich, and that web magazine developed an imprint deal because the platform was really taking off, and so they wanted to be able to… So, Reality Sandwich worked a deal with Penguin to have some of their authors on Reality Sandwich write books, and that was how my book got published about ayahuasca.

And that book was a memoir that was my Master of Fine Arts thesis. So it just, with a good editorial team, turned into a book that I wrote with Reality Sandwich and Penguin. And then after that point, that was a starting point because the same month that that book was published, I started my astrology practice. They were, like, coincident events. And then my life became astrology, right? And I was like, “I'm going down the astrology path.” I was gonna be an English teacher and teach creative writing, and then I went down the astrology path because it just was so powerful. My love and interest in it became so overwhelming that I was like, “Well, this is my path for sure.”

And then I just got a little bit away from writing. I mean, I was writing content, I was writing curriculum, I was writing about astrology all the time, but not like that creative writing and storytelling. And so I think what happened was in about 2014, I started the first draft of the book that I just finished, The Oracle Speaks. And I was hosting an astrology conference with the astrologer Jeffrey Cornelius, and it was just like a really magical event, and he was a really magical astrologer. And I was sharing with him on the last night about my book, and he said something that shocked me so much. He was like, “You need to wait 10 years to write that.”

And I was like, “Oh, wow, my ego,” you know? Like, I'm a writer. I'm a published author. Like, this is not comfortable to hear that. And he said, “Wait 10 more years because you're gonna get so much valuable experience, and I like the idea, but fill it out with 10 years of experience and then write it.” And I was really upset at first, but then I was getting married that year, and wedding planning took over, and I didn't like the direction of the book, and so I set it aside.

And then literally 10 years later, having at first forgotten that it was even 10 years later, I started writing the draft again, and then it became the book. And he died during the process of the writing of the book as well. So it became like this really kind of prophetic, cool synchronicity with him being sort of a mentor and suggesting like, “Just focus on astrology for a while, and talking about astrology through storytelling is a good idea, but get more stories under your belt, and then, you know, write the book.”

So that ended up coming full circle. But it was kind of like I've always been a writer first, and then astrology came into my life, and then it was all about astrology until it felt like the right time to write creatively again. And memoir's just the form that I love. I love personal storytelling. And it felt like—here's the thing, is I wanna talk about astrology, but I wanna talk about it through storytelling, not… There's enough textbooks, you know? There's enough lectures, and I give those, and I teach classes, and Amanda, you host them all the time, and probably you felt the same way. I think that there's ways of talking about astrology that come from our personal experiences.

Amanda: Oh my God. It's just so funny, Adam, that we're having these same—I know—the same urging at the same time. So my story's a little bit different but similar in that I thought I was gonna write a book that began with a little bit about my story, but then mainly was gonna be more about what I've learned in how to live astrology. Like, how to actually make it come alive in your life. Like, more of a—but more of a how-to. Like, more of what is out there, but with my own spin.

And so I was all excited. I thought that between a talk I had given that kind of talked about my story, and then the solstice events that we had been hosting where I was having people walk through the zodiac signs and set intentions based on the archetypes of the different zodiac signs, I was like, ooh, that'd be a really cool book between the story and then this, like, how to implement it in your life. So I had these transcripts from these two things we'd done, and I gave them to a writing coach. And she read them, and she came back to me a week later and was like, “Yeah. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna challenge you.” And I'm like, “Oh, shoot.” ‘Cause like you, Adam, I felt like I had, like, 50% of the book done. Right. I'm like, we're doing these transcripts. I'm like, oh my God, yay, I'm almost done with the book.

And she's like, “Yeah.” She goes, “The challenge is I want you to tell your story in a way you have never told it before.”

And I was like, “Ugh, oh my gosh.” Because it was Jupiter in Gemini. And I knew I had a year, 'cause I chose Jupiter in Gemini as, like, the wave I wanted to ride—

Laura: Nice.

Amanda: —to write the book. Yeah. Uh, because my Jupiter is in Gemini, and so I enter as Gemini, so I figured this is a good time to do it, right? It's about a year. That's about how long it'll take. Anyways, so I start to write it in a way I had never written, or I've never told it, and that's where it came to life in a very different way, with dialogue and actually setting the scene, and, like, inviting people in to have the experiences with me that led me to astrology, but to experience it as if they were walking along the journey.

And I forgot that I liked to write. So I used to love writing, Adam, like you. Growing up, I loved writing. And even in eighth grade, I got the creative writing award. I went to college and graduate school for psychology, and when that happened, the writing became very technical and very research-driven, and for me, you know, quite dry, and not very inspiring or inspired.

And so I kinda fell out of love with writing itself until Astrology Hub, where writing became about communicating and, like, conveying ideas to the audience and still inviting them along, but in a different sort of way. So I didn't really set out to write a memoir. That's the honest answer, Laura. It's just what happened. And then once it happened, I was like, oh, this works. Like, this is sort of a new way of talking about astrology without talking about astrology. I mean, I was talking—of course I'm talking about astrology, but it's kind of an indirect subject of the story.

Adam: Ari Moshe Wolf, who I know you guys love at Astrology Hub too, he said after he read my book, he goes, “This is a great non-astrology astrology book.” Yeah. And, like, that's exactly what we're both talking about, I think.

Amanda: Exactly. But Adam, I have to remind you. So you said you reached out to me and said, “Will you read my book and give me a blurb?” And I said, “Yeah.” And I'm like, funnily enough, I'm also writing a book, and it's about to be out. But I didn't know when your book was gonna be done, and you didn't know when my book was gonna be done.

Adam: No. No, right.

Amanda: So not only did we release… you said something about 2026, and I was like, “Oh, that's so funny. We're gonna release our books in 2026.” But then not only did we both release them in 2026, but we released them in the same month and within, like, a week of each other.

Adam: Yeah, yeah. That was wild. I didn't know that. Like, I had no idea either. And then actually, I think it became clear to me when you let me take a look at the—I think I got, like, an early release audio copy, and I was like, “Oh, this is coming. This is, like, done.” I was like, “Okay. We're, like, yeah.” Yeah. ‘Cause I didn't know my publication date. I knew it was probably gonna be May or June, and then it ended up wrapping up a little quicker, so it was May. But yeah, that was—it's just wild. And what was also wild, if it's possible at some point, we should show the similarities between the cover designs, which we also didn't have any awareness of each other's cover design. They ended up looking kind of similar too.

Amanda: I know. This, like, actually completely tripped me out when I looked at your cover. I just went, “Oh my God.”

Adam: Well, I didn't see it at first because the version of the cover that I had was just, like, a little box. And then you were like, “Don't,” you know, you said something like, “Do you see the cover?” And I was like, “What?” And then I zoomed in, and I was like, “Oh, wow, okay.” You can see the trail of light is the same in both. That's crazy.

Amanda: Yes.

Book Cover Synchronicities

Laura: Yeah, let's look at them actually, 'cause I put a picture of them side to side because I wanted to talk about this. So if you're listening to this on the audio podcast, you might wanna come over to YouTube and see it or just look up the covers to these books, 'cause they are remarkably similar. Just another one of those synchronicities between the two. And so I'm curious because the most compelling similarity is the kind of trail of light. And so Adam, what does this cover kind of mean for you? And what story is it telling?

Adam: Well, I have to give credit to the designer that I worked with who came up with this design, but when I described what I wanted… One of the peak scenes in the book happens at—really, almost the only astrology that's mentioned in the book is in the final chapter where there's an eclipse taking place. And so I said, “I feel like it would be cool to have an eclipse worked in,” and that there's this kind of crescendo in the book that leads up to the eclipse. And that everything is—the design of life is leading me toward astrology. And then I find astrology, and it's not that astrology is something brand new. It's giving language to something that I've been starting to understand for a long time. And so I want that to sort of be conceptually expressed in the cover somehow.

So that was kind of my explanation to the designer, and they took and came up with this, which I thought was, like, really creative and perfect. So, um, but the trail of light was based on, like, there's a thread of light that's moving through our lives. And I think that's probably the same idea that you had, Amanda, 'cause it looks like the same idea of, like, following a trail.

Amanda: My God, completely. It's so funny. And I feel like yours is so masculine and mine brings in a feminine element. And—

Adam: Yeah, totally.

Amanda: —at one point you said that they're Uranus and Gemini twins, and I feel like they're basically Uranus and Gemini twins. Same thing is that the designers, you know, created a lot of the imagery here. And it was one of those things where I saw it and it was like, oh, my God, yes. Like, this is exactly what I want to convey.

Because in my story, one of the main points is that the stars and the light was guiding my life all along, whether or not I was aware of it. Like, it didn't actually matter if I was aware of it. And that's what the astrologer's notes are—they are woven throughout my story to really illustrate that. That whether anyone is aware of it or not, there is a guiding force. There's an emanating light that is beckoning us forward on our path. And so yeah, it's a very similar concept.

Adam: I think that's actually to this point in reading your book—'cause I'm about two-thirds of the way through it right now, as I was telling you before we hit record—and I was like, easily the most surprising, and I would say, I mean, I love your story itself, but I love the innovation of pairing it with almost like… If you're an astrologer and you do a reading and you hear someone's biography, you're, like, annotating their life story with symbols as you're looking at the chart. And it feels like we're looking at a life and a chart at the same time.

Amanda: Mm.

Adam: And I like in the Audible version that the astrologer has her own voice. It's not, like, you're the voice narrating the memoir sections, and then there's an astrologer there. It's so trippy in the best way. I absolutely love it.

How the Astrologer's Notes Came to Happen

Amanda: Adam, it's one of those things where I'm like, I wish I could take credit for, like, this amazing idea. And I guess in a way I can, but it came through necessity. Because I wanted the story to come across as authentically and true as possible. And for the first 33 years of my life, I had no idea about astrology. So how could I weave it into the story earlier if I wasn't aware of it?

Yeah, so then I was on this walk. I remember exactly where I was. And I was, like, noodling with that conundrum, you know? And it just came, boom. It just came in and it was like, what if Natasha provided, like, an astrological commentary? And I went, “That's an amazing thought. Like, that's an amazing idea.” Yeah.

And I literally picked up the… Well, we communicate on WhatsApp 'cause she's in Sweden or Russia at different times. And so I picked up WhatsApp and I left her a voice memo. I was like, “What do you think about this idea?” She was an immediate yes, which—

Adam: Oh, that's cool.

Amanda: Yeah, Natasha's a Taurus, and not always, like, your immediate, like, “yes, let's go, let's do that.” So when she came back and was like, “Yes, that is brilliant, and I'm in,” I was like, okay. Yeah. Like, we're gonna do this.

Adam: As a Taurus rising, I have to say, you might have caught her with the Uranus in the first house, 'cause we were susceptible to doing all sorts of crazy, impulsive things for a little while there.

Amanda: Totally. I'm so grateful that she said yes, and even when I explained the idea to, like, my writing coach at the time and my partner, like, my love, they were kind of like, “Huh?” You know? It was like, “Well, maybe. We need to see that,” you know? But it just made so much sense to me, and I was so grateful for the process of it coming together. And there's someone in our audience who said, “This is like a new genre. It can be astro narrative.”

Adam: Yeah.

Amanda: And people saying like, “I wish a lot of the biographies that I've read have, like, an astrological commentary on them.” You know?

Adam: Yeah, astrological. In fact, because when I was in graduate school and I studied all different forms of memoir writing, footnotes are used so creatively in creative memoir writing. And it occurred to me a number of times, like, oh, what if you did footnotes at the bottom and put, like, a date and a transit or something like that. That idea crossed my mind. I didn't end up going in that direction, but I'm so glad that you did because I think it really worked. Like, from a convention standpoint, does it feel like it interrupts and it's herky-jerky or something? And it's not. It's so seamlessly integrated, and it feels like you're getting this beautifully told story with these cool zoom outs where… And I, again, I love the Audible version where you actually get to hear the voice of the astrologer speaking. It's so cool.

Amanda: Yeah, and she has that magical voice. Did you have an audio version of your book, Adam?

Adam: So when I released the book one chapter at a time in rough draft form, I included audio chapters in that initial rough draft. But with the final version, I'm redoing the Audible version in July. So the Audible version for mine won't be out till July or August.

Amanda: But that's great that you're doing it, because so many astrology books don't have audio. And as a busy mom, I'm sure you can relate—kids, business, partner—

Adam: Oh, there was no way, there's no way. Yeah. I needed your audio version. It's great. And it was easy. I was listening to it on the treadmill yesterday, like, yeah.

Amanda: Exactly. So I yearn for more astrology books to have audio versions, so I'm glad you're doing that. Natasha and I—the vision really was like it's kinda like a footnote. Like it's kinda like a sidebar, and the people that love astrology and wanna go deep will read it. But we wanted to create it in a way where if you wanted to skip over, you also could. But I love too that it just sort of piques the interest of someone that might not know much about astrology.

But what I was gonna say is my narration coach—because recording an audiobook was a lot harder than I thought it would be, and I actually messed up the first version of it and had to re-record it, so I got a coach to help me—he was listening to Natasha, and he's like, “I feel like she's this mysterious oracle, like whispering the secrets of the universe into my ear.”

Adam: I know. I love it. But you're a really lovely narrator as well. It's always hit or miss. Like, when I recorded mine, I was like, I really didn't know if people would like my reading voice or… I was a little self-conscious about it, and people really liked it, so I was confident to move forward using my own voice for the audible. Yeah. And when I listened to yours, right away I was like, “Oh, you're just—you're a lovely spoken word storyteller.” Just really great.

Amanda: Thank you, Adam. You know, it's funny. I was reading your book when we were on vacation in New Zealand. That is the only reason why I could actually read the physical book. It's the first physical book I've read in I don't even know how long. I mean, like, probably over a decade, Adam. But so I'm reading it, and my love was like, “This book must be really good because you literally, any time there's a moment where you have downtime, your nose is in it.” And I was like, “I know, yes. I'm just totally enjoying it.” Just totally enjoying your storytelling style and the way that you… And Laura and I were talking about this before, like weave time in and out. And so we're with you on that journey in and out of this development, of your growth. And it's just super compelling. I loved it.

Adam: Oh, thank you. Yeah. That's actually a style that I studied, and it became like my… In my graduate program, we had to study a variety of different styles of memoir and then emulate them, and then through that process, hopefully identify some of your own voicing, right? And for me, I studied braided memoir.

Oh, so braided memoir is the style of moving in and out of different timelines within chapters and sort of braiding different timelines together through the entirety of a story. Um, and there's so many different… You know, I love reading all different kinds of memoirs and storytelling styles. Um, but it happens to be one that… It might be my Mercury in Cancer, but it felt like it was a very natural fit for me to write in that way when I started studying it and trying to emulate it, and then I just sort of made it my own.

But it also is something that there's always a risk with, too, because you're like, “Will people be able to keep track of it?” So I find that the hardest part about writing in that style of weaving timelines is making sure that each section is really compelling so that when you get back to it, you're like, “Oh yeah, I wanna remember what's happening on that storyline.” Um, so that's really the challenge, is making sure that the sections are strong independently so that you're excited to go back.

And honestly, in a lot of ways, I feel like braided memoir as a style is for some people, especially in a day and age where we have short… we're used to like reels and shorts and to have movement between things. In a time where we're used to that kind of stimulation, I feel like also… I have Mars in Gemini, so I think there's something about me that likes that kind of rapid movement as well.

The Timing

Laura: So one of the crazy synchronicities is just the timing of the two books. And so Adam, yours, you said it took 10 years to come to fruition. You didn't really choose that time. Amanda, you intentionally chose when Jupiter was moving through Gemini. I'm curious, um, Adam, if you have looked at your transits or anything, if there was anything that like catalyzed this book just coming back to life after, you know, 10 years.

Adam: Oh, yeah. Totally. I was… Um, so it was my birthday, this was in 2023, it was the first time that my wife and I since having our kids were going to take a vacation without the kids, and transiting Uranus in Taurus was squaring my natal Venus in Leo. So that's my ascendant ruler, so it was real personal, but tied to like marriage and love and… My Venus is in the fourth house, just a little context there. So it's like, oh, we're rekindling our relationship apart from our parenting dynamic for the first time in some years.

And we went to San Francisco, and we went and saw Dead & Company at Oracle Park. And we were watching Dead & Company, and it was like my first time going to a show and dancing with my wife in like a few years. You know what I mean? It was like, “Oh my God, I feel so free.” It was so Uranus-Venus. It was so wonderful, and it was really special for us because we were like, “Oh, my God, remember us?” You know, like that kind of…

And so anyway, um, during that show—and this was also my wife introducing me really to the Grateful Dead because that's her favorite band of all time, and I was never really into them, and she was like, “Well, you're not into them because you need to see them live.” Which is what all Deadheads always say. Like, you can't know it until you see it live. You have to be initiated into this experience.

So, um, anyway, uh, I had a very, very mild psychedelic experience while at the show. Um, I'm very cautious—I mean, after 10 years of working with ayahuasca, I'm very cautious about how, when, and where I ever alter my consciousness. But I think, you know, you're in San Francisco, you're at a Grateful Dead show, we're gonna have a little bit of fun, so we danced and had fun. And during that experience, though, it was my first time altering my state also in like many years. Um, I had come out of a Bhakti yoga tradition where I was living like monastic vows and like I hadn't altered my… I barely drank alcohol in years, you know?

So it was a very powerful experience because I'd been sober for a very long time and was not used to altering my state. So I had a pretty deep trance-like experience while listening to this jam band that was really blowing my mind. I was like, “Oh my God, I get it. I understand why people really like this band. This is really magical and fun.” And I was getting to experience something my wife liked. It felt very Uranus-Venus.

And then during the midst of it, I saw… I, well, I remembered, like, how deeply… ‘Cause my first book was inspired by working with ayahuasca for many years and being in graduate school and writing the book while working with ayahuasca. And so I started remembering those psychedelic experiences and how influential they were when it came to writing my first book. And all of a sudden, I was like, “You know, what happened to the book I was writing 10 years ago?” You know? Like, where did that go?

And I was like, all of a sudden, as I was thinking about that, the very first scene of my book just kinda came into my mind. And I was like, “Oh, it's time to write.” It's like it just became really, really clear. And then I think what's even more wild was at that moment, I was like, “The book is gonna be called The Oracle Speaks.” I just knew it. It was just, like, instant, and I had the first scene of the first chapter.

And then it was… Well, we were, I think it was, like, later that evening, it was either on the way out of the park or in the car on the way home or something, I was telling my wife, and she goes, “Well, we were just at Oracle Park,” you know, “watching this show.” And I was like, “Oh my God, yeah, like, of course, The Oracle Speaks.” So, um, so that's where the title came from, and the first scene came during this Uranus-Venus transit, so it was really magical.

And then I started writing two months later. I finally… I had to get some other work out of the way so I had some clear space. Um, I ended up having to stop my client practice for two years to write it. Um, so it was a full-on labor of love, but, um, yeah, it was a Uranus-Venus transit.

Amanda: Adam, do you remember what month that was, the show?

Adam: July '23. July 15th was the show of 2023.

Amanda: Okay. So I started writing mine a month before you. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, it was June. And I know that because… so, Jupiter went into Gemini. Yeah. And it was also the very beginning of the summer, and so I was like, “Okay, I don't have to be driving kids to school every day.” And I'm the best in the morning, but my mornings were always taken up driving kids to school. So I was like, “Okay, I have the summer, where I can, like, get up at 4:00 in the morning and write.” And so it all coincided, but literally I started writing it a month before you then, because it was 2023. Oh, that's wild. Yeah.

So it was also when we had the eclipse at the Aries new moon. And the reason why I know that is because we make treasure maps at Astrology Hub on the Aries new moon, and it was an eclipse one. And I made a treasure map, and in my treasure map I had, like, the book, and I was gonna have the book completed in the year. And, you know, this was part of my vision. But then, now I realize when you make a treasure map on an eclipse, things are a little wonky. And not quite what you thought they were gonna be, and not quite the timeline you thought they were gonna be. And there's probably a lot of shadow stuff that's gonna need to be worked through before you're ready to do the thing that you thought you wanted to do.

So all of that, like, coincided, and it's just fascinating to me that… Have you ever read, probably not, but maybe, Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert?

Adam: I haven't read that one, no. I know her work, though, but yeah.

Amanda: Well, she talks about ideas and how they, like, land in people. And when they land in you, like, you're basically the steward of that idea. But if you don't take it, it'll land with someone else. And she gives, like, incredible stories of how this actually happened in her life in such tangible, undeniable ways. But it sounds to me like you and I both, like, it's just like the seed dropped in right around the same time. And yes, it took three years. Did you think it would take three years?

Adam: My first book took a long time, so I was aware that it could take a long time. But when I told everyone I was releasing it in rough draft form in 12 chapters, I said it should be done in a year.

Amanda: Yeah, exactly. Me too. I was like, “It's a year. This will be done in a year.” Oh my God, that's so funny.

Adam: Yeah. And I think you're right, and actually, the preface of my book I talk about the concept of the daimon in ancient astrology. Are you familiar? So, and this guiding spiritual intelligence that's really connected back to that thread of light on both of our covers. And I really believe—and, you know, who knows? It's probably above my pay grade—but I really believe that it's our daimons who drop those seeds, and that they're little nudgings. And if you… as I'm listening to your book, for example, Amanda, I'm like, “Oh, yeah, this is the daimon.” Like, at every turn there's a prompting. I think, I really think, for example, of the two promptings that stand out to me most were your desire for New York City and then your desire for Hawaii.

That those two, like, “let's go this way,” and there was a sense of destiny around New York, and then there was a sense of destiny around Hawaii. And just what I love in the book is you don't say exactly why you think you need to be there or what's gonna happen. Maybe with New York you thought you had a better idea at least, but with Hawaii especially, that part of the book I really love because it's like, “I have some ideas about what is valuable about this, but I just need to know… I know I need to go in that direction.”

Amanda: Yeah.

Adam: And I feel like books are like that. I just need to go in the direction of this writing. Yes.

Amanda: Well, and I think, I mean, if you consider the astrology right now, don't you think most things are like that in this moment in time? Like, where we don't get to see too far into the future, but it is about following that internal nudging, that internal daimon. How do you spell that?

Adam: D-A-I-M-O-N, I believe.

Amanda: Daimon. Yeah. And that's our, like, that's, like, our North Star, like, our guiding light kind of?

Adam: Yeah. And it's talked about like a guiding spirit, but it's also like a pattern. So it's talked about as, like, a… For example, the classic example of this—and I think it comes from Aristotle, but James Hillman used it in The Soul's Code where he talked about the daimon—is that the acorn has the oak tree inherent within it. Yeah. So its pattern is contained within it, and it sort of… you could say it's fated or marked by destiny to follow that pattern. Yeah. And so your daimon is sort of like a pattern, but it also has the power to, like, speak to you.

Amanda: Our birth chart, huh?

Adam: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, all the language of ancient astrology is like, “here's the house of the good daimon, the 11th house.” The sun is called daimon. Like, a lot of the language literally invokes it.

Amanda: I also love how close it is to diamond. One of the things we've been talking about a lot… So, we released the book right around when you released yours, and one of the things we offered was a Living by the Stars journey, which has been like a virtual book club around the book, which when we offered it, I was like, “I don't really know what this is gonna be, but I feel like I know what it's gonna be,” you know? So it's emerged into something really cool. We actually just wrapped up our final session, and I've just been thinking about the diamond a lot because it's very similar to, like, the volcano. You know, I bring in the volcano quite a bit being in Hawaii, and just how that heat and the pressure and those elemental forces that act on our lives help us become the diamond. They help us become more radiantly ourselves. But it's also—it's usually through a process that's not quite comfortable, you know, just like how diamonds are made under the earth. It's, like, enormous pressure, enormous heat to create them.

The Process

Laura: So I'd love to talk about the process of actually writing the book. We had Ren Butler on the podcast a couple weeks ago, and he introduced, I believe it's Rick Tarnas' work of, like, the process of birth, like the archetypal process of birth. First it's, I think it's first very Neptunian in the process of it. It goes more towards, I think it's Saturn, Pluto, and then Uranus, you know? And so I would love to hear if the process of writing the book felt that way for you. Maybe Amanda, we'll start with you.

Amanda: Yeah, and I'm just reflecting on what Adam told us earlier about how he's in this kind of like psychedelic experience and the book drops in. That's like so Neptune, right? Right. So yes. I mean, absolutely because the process of writing the book was like 100% joy. Like, I just loved it. It's, like, rekindled that eighth-grade Amanda that used to love writing. You know? I found her again, and I loved it. I would wake up early in the morning. I'd go for a walk. It would be very clear. It was like, “Write this chapter. Write this story.” You know, and I was like, I didn't even know I remembered those things.

But then to be able to recall them, not only as a story, but then in vivid detail. Like, I barely remember what I ate yesterday, but how am I recalling this entire dialogue between me and another person, or the light and the way the light was in the room. It just makes me really think that we do have these Akashic records. We really do have like a record keeper, which… was it you, Adam? No, it was Ari, was saying that Uranus is like the record keeper. Have you heard that before? Anyways, it's a little bit of a sidebar. But I felt like I got in contact with whatever that record keeper is, and I was able to remember things that I would've never realized I remembered. So it was very Neptunian. I was like very much in the ocean of ideas and creativity.

And then it got to editing, and it got to draft after draft after draft after draft after draft. And I remember just being like, how is it possible that there are still more things I need to fix in here? The thing that I did that I'm really grateful I did—and it was in practicing for reading the audiobook—is I read it out loud a ton of times. And every single time I read it out loud, I'd be like, there's a mistake. I don't wanna say it that way. Oh, that's repetitive from a paragraph above. But reading it, I didn't see those things. So the editing was very Saturnian. I mean, it was like it was somewhat grueling, honestly, but in a good way. It felt like chiseling. You know, like creating a diamond, right?

And then, Pluto. Like, the underworld experience that I went into from… I would say the fall before the book was released all the way up until the spring when it was about to be released, I was in an underworld transformation moment of facing my fears, of doing old patterns. Like, the way… It was like, ah, I wanna make it tangible for you guys. Well, the fear of being seen—huge. I mean, just like, because writing is so private and personal. Like, you're just you and you. And then all of a sudden I had this one day where I was like, “Oh my God, people might actually read this.” And there was this like whole experience of, like, “Oh, do I want them to read it? I don't think I want them to read it. But then why am I even doing it if I don't want anyone to read it?” Like, it was this whole thing. Right? It was this whole thing.

And then I faced this part of me that was so nervous and anxious about doing it right, like launching it right, picking the right astrological date. I, like, totally paralyzed myself and crushed the joy in trying to find the perfect time to launch the book. But what I realized underneath that was fear that I might get it wrong, that I might make a mistake, that I needed to control the process, and that I couldn't just allow it to come through when it wanted to come through. So there was a whole crescendo of drama that I created around myself for that.

And then finally I got to a point where I was like, “I don't care.” But it wasn't like “I don't care,” you know, like a giving up. It was just like, I just know that I needed to do this. I don't know exactly why. And now, because the whole entire time it was like, “Just write the book. Like, shut up and write the book. Like, stop it, you know? Just write the book, you know?” So I was arguing with that, you know?

Um, so anyways, finally I got to the point where it was like, okay, I'm just gonna put it out there. I'm just gonna put it out there and let it do what it wants to do, and let it have the life it wants to have, and I will steward it just like I have with my two daughters. And I will show up for that, but I don't get to control what's gonna happen and who's gonna read it, and how they're gonna receive it, and blah, blah, blah.

Adam: I love that. That's so nice. Yeah. I love the—not that I'm a mom or know what it's like to give birth, but I obviously have been present for my wife's, and I do feel like I told my wife many times that my first book, and even now more so with my second, having seen… Since my first book, I saw my wife deliver two babies, right? So I'm like, it does remind me of being pregnant with something in terms of the… I could see parallels between my wife's late stages of pregnancy and the Braxton Hicks. And the, like, “it's time,” “no, it's not.” Like all of that.

Yes, I would sometimes use that analogy because it is like being pregnant with a creative… I mean, the fifth house, for example, children, but also your creative babies, like your books or your records that you record or something like that. So there is something to that. Anyway, I love that. That was so nice.

Amanda: Can you see that in your process though? ‘Cause when Ren came on the podcast and was talking about that archetypal pattern of birth—so you start with Neptune, the bliss, the lovemaking, the, you know, the, “ah, let's bring something into the world,” right? Let's write a book. Let's start a business. Right. That blissful Neptunian place where you're seeing all the possibilities. And then going to Saturn, where it's like, “all right, you gonna do this? Like, we're gonna make this real. Here's the process of making this real.” And then Pluto, that underworld transformation that needs to happen before you're ready to steward a life, whether it's a business or a book or a child. And then Uranus, that like… lightning strike moment where now life is different. You know, now on the other side of this, life is no longer the same way it was. Can you feel that?

Adam: I mean, I love that mapping. I don't know that I was conscious of that mapping at all when I was doing it.

Amanda: No, me neither.

Adam: Yeah. But I think that they keep going though, too, right? I wonder if Richard would say that there's a way in which there's almost like holographic echoes of the different stages. Because I sort of felt like I went through mini versions of that with each chapter, for example. A new chapter would come, and there would be the bliss of knowing the first scene and getting excited. And then it's the nuts and bolts of the writing, and then it's working through some of the shadow stuff that's in the chapter, and then the excitement when the chapter is finished. So I wonder if it's not like cycles within cycles.

Amanda: Totally.

Adam: That makes sense to me too. Um, yeah. I totally resonate with that kind of wave pattern of creativity. I remember when I first… I think he outlines that in Cosmos and Psyche, I think Tarnas does. But anyway, yeah, I think, like, for me, it was…

So my process was I knew the first scene, and then when I… This has always been my process and everyone has different ways that this works. But I would know the first scene, and I often wouldn't know the rest of the chapter at all. But as long as I sat down and started working with the first scene, usually what would happen would be maybe I get the first scene out on day one or two of writing, and then maybe there's a day or two in between before the next scene comes, before the next piece of the story comes. And then in that way, the chapter would come.

And then, okay, so then I get chapter one done, let's say. And then what I would do is I have my morning meditation practice, and every morning during meditation, I would ask for the next chapter. I would just say, “Well, whatever the next chapter's supposed to be, whatever direction it needs to go in, help me find that thread.” And that would just make it like a little bit of a prayer, I guess you could say. And then I would just wait and listen. And a lot of ideas would come up, and memories, and it was a little bit like brainstorming, but it wasn't brainstorming also in the sense that I wasn't proactively trying to author something. It was kind of a petition and then a letting things move until something really kind of rung a bell. And that's always been how I've worked with writing, um, at least the books, the two books that I've written now.

And so sometimes it would be a couple of weeks. In some cases, it was three or four months before regular, pretty much daily asking would culminate in receiving something. But what was interesting is that a lot of the times, as I was thinking about the story and I could start to kind of see where the story wanted to go, and I was getting a clearer picture chapter by chapter, a lot of the reason for that was because I was living life in relation to the question of the next chapter and in reflection of the previous chapters. And then life would have a way of leading me to some kind of insight that was very personal, and then that insight would lead me to a memory, and then the next piece would come.

So it was almost like life needed to be lived in these gap spaces between chapters, and personal realizations would come that would often set in motion the next chapter. And so I just had to be really patient. You know, just, “Oh my God, what if I did this?” And there were a couple times where I would just like try to force something, and I'd be like, “This isn't it,” you know? So I gotta just sit back and kind of wait for life to guide me to the next… And I always knew it when it was the right one. I'd be like, “That's it,” and then I would go. And so that was kind of my process.

And then for the editing, I completely agree with you. The writing is—I think that process for me is relatively easy compared to editing, because in editing, that's really the Pluto part. Oh my God, just… I read mine out loud to my wife, like at least… I mean, thank God for my wife. She listened to that thing like 100 times, you know?

Amanda: And with my guy, yes.

Adam: Yeah. She's so patient and loving and would—I think she learned the art of giving really helpful feedback without coming across critical, 'cause we're very vulnerable as writers, you know? So she was really tactful. But anyway, I got that feedback, and reading it aloud meant a lot. And I was also releasing it rough draft chapter at a time. So… And I wanted to do that. I actually had a mentor of mine when I was in New York City, and I was writing my first book. There was this editor I worked with who was one of the personal editors for Jack Kerouac, and he was my agent's father, who had been working for Grove Atlantic as an editor for many years and was retired, but he helped me edit my book.

And he said Jack Kerouac loved to write and publish first drafts. He didn't like to edit and revise because he thought that the rawness was important for his creative process and for his growth as a writer. And I said at that time to Ken, my agent—it was his father that was helping me edit—I said, “Ken, what if, at some point, like I did a book and released it like online a chapter at a time before it was edited? And just to really feel the tension and burn of putting something out there that vulnerably.” And he was like, “I totally think you should do it.” Well, so when I started doing this, and I did it in this form, it was just that. It was like radical, super vulnerable stuff.

And then the Plutonian part, what was really hard about the editing, was that I kept thinking, “I should never have released this as a rough draft. This is getting so much better every single pass I take. My rough draft sucked,” blah, blah, blah.

Amanda: Right.

Adam: But I'm really glad I did that. Like, I don't know if I'll do it again or not, but I really learned a lot about myself and about polished versus unpolished versions of me as a writer. ‘Cause I think it was probably 200 hours of editing at least that I did, and the polished book is way better. But still, the original book was raw, and I'm glad that I got to share that with people and feel that tension. And then magically during all of this, really unfortunately, Ken, that mentor of mine who was my agent, also died.

Amanda: Wow.

Adam: So he died just within months of Geoffrey Cornelius. So these two figures in my life that have been really important for the prompting of my work as a writer in this book, both passed during the process too, which was, I think, the other real Plutonian part of it.

Amanda: Wow. Wow. Yeah, I hear what you're saying about cycles within cycles, 'cause I had actually an astrologer—I don't know if I should name her. Maybe I… okay, I don't have permission, so I won't. But I had her read an early draft, and the feedback—it was hard to receive, like, “the first part really drags. Why is she telling me, like, this amount of detail?” You know. I was like, okay. ‘Cause mine, I actually wrote mine backwards. Like, I started with the most recent.

Adam: Really?

Amanda: I know, it was so weird. Like, the stories came in backwards. And actually, the first part, all the way up through New York before I go to Hawaii, I wrote last. And it required almost the most revision of anything in the entire book. That in addition to a part you haven't gotten to yet—I'll let you guess.

But basically, I equate it to like… when I moved to Hawaii, it was really my awakening moment in my life. And before that, I was pretty dang bought into the system, and kind of asleep. So it was actually harder for me to make that part come to life and add color to it, because I didn't experience it that way necessarily. You know what I'm saying?

Adam: Oh, you did such a good job with that part. Yeah.

Amanda: But that was after I got this initial feedback. If you saw the first draft, you'd be like, “Man, your husband was right, that was draggy.” Yeah, because I cut tons of it. And then there was another part where she walked away thinking that it was like a book about female leadership, and I was like, “Ooh, definitely missed the mark then.” Yeah, because that is not the… it is a thread, for sure. Like, it's in there. And I hope that women are inspired by it from that perspective, but it's definitely not the point of the book. So I was like, wow, I really missed there if that's what she's walking away with.

So it is a very humbling, and Plutonian in a way, process of like… facing… There were so many times where I'm like, is this even good? Like, is this even interesting? Like, I have no idea. You know, I'm just writing, and I'm like in this little blissful state of writing, but then it was kinda like, does this suck? Is it good?

Adam: Yeah. But there's that funny moment when people have, at least for me, and I'm sure you've experienced this too, where people read it and they like it, and you're like, “Really? It's good? Oh, that's so great.” You know?

Amanda: I still feel like that.

Adam: I mean, I don't think I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning author or anything, but someone likes it. That's cool, you know?

Amanda: Right, exactly. Yes. Well, and also someone's getting out of it what I hoped they would.

Adam: Yes, yes, exactly.

Amanda: Like, that's been really affirming. It's like what I hoped they would receive from it, which is to feel more connected to themselves, and also that they're not alone in the dark parts of life. They're not crazy, they're not bad or a mistake, you know? That. And so when people reflect that back to me, I'm like, “Oh, yes. That's exactly what I was hoping you would get out of it.”

The Unexpected

Adam: Yeah. One of the things that I was not expecting that someone would get out of it that was, like, maybe one of my most profound moments… Okay, so we just led this retreat to Mexico, and the retreat was called The Oracle Within, and we talked about connecting with the daimon, with spirit, as something that primarily is about your relationship with source or whatever we wanna call it. That if you foster that relationship, your relationship with astrology gets stronger. Because that same voice is present in nature and in dreams and in tarot and all of these different modalities. And so how can we prioritize that relationship and not get so stuck in just one modality that we forget that it's this living cosmos that's talking all over the place?

Amanda: Mm.

Adam: So that was like our retreat, and that's a bit of the focus of my book, too. But I'm sitting there and I'm signing books for some of the people who had bought the book who were on the retreat, and my daughter came up to me and sat on my lap. And she looks up at me and she goes, “Daddy, are you a celebrity?” And this is, like, in front of a small group of people who are ready to get their book signed by me, which was really, like, kind of a dream come true. It's sort of surreal to sign a book.

And I was like, “Well, only to a small group of weird people who like astrology, sweetheart.” And we all laughed, you know? But both of my daughters, because of seeing me as an author in a public setting—'cause they were with me on the retreat with my wife too—they both now have an interest in astrology and writing. And that impact I was absolutely not anticipating. Like, I just couldn't have planned or… it was not an intention at all to influence them or anything, but they got to see me sort of shining in something I love and it inspired them a little bit. And whatever they do with it is fine, but just that was, like, maybe one of the most unexpectedly cool things that came out of releasing it to the world.

Amanda: I love this, Adam. Unexpected cool things that come out of following that inner urge. So for me it's the same, but on another spectrum. For me, it was with my parents. Oh, they were one of the first people to read it. And it's kind of scary because it's like your inner world that nobody knows, let alone your parents, and they're in the book and you just… it's like, “Is this okay? Is this gonna be okay? How are they gonna receive this?” Like, the fullness of me. You know, the fullness of their daughter that they birthed and brought into the world, you know?

They literally read it within, I think, 24 or 48 hours. They were, like, mesmerized. And what has been so beautiful is how it's brought us even closer. My parents are the ones shipping the book out of their house in California. They've been a part of the process. Like, it's been this… You know, because you saw in the book that I used to work—it was a family business that I was in in New York, and I was closely working with my dad and my mom and my brothers all the time. And then I go off on this adventure to Hawaii and astrology and all this stuff, and we haven't worked together in a very long time.

But to have this book be a conduit to bring us back together in this way, it's been… I mean, literally when I was in California signing books that we would be shipping out at their house, I would stop so many times and just look at my parents and be like, “Oh my God.” First of all, I'm so lucky that they're still alive right now. Like, wow, they're still here, and that they get to be a part of this moment with me, and they get to, like, feel proud of their daughter, you know? It's like… And as a mom, like, I know, I can feel how that would feel for them, you know? Yeah, like someday to be at, like, my daughter's book signing would be like, “Whoa, this is amazing.” So anyways, there's been so many unexpected gifts of doing the thing.

I'm like so picturing the caricature of your father that you present in the book. Like, his hair that you describe so beautifully. Like, you described him as so vivid, and I'm like imagining him sitting there, like, crying reading your book or something.

Adam: That's—like, it's like such a sweet image.

Amanda: I know, and he's this like big, burly, post-atom mafia vibe a little bit. Yeah, I love that. We need to bring that out probably. I love that. Yeah, but so yeah, we… Like, that was one of the best things, Adam. We would be putting together these packages, and he has these huge hands, and he'd be like putting the tape together. And I'm like, oh my God. And of course Katie on our team is there too, and all of her packages are just perfect. Like, lines, everything's perfect, and my dad's are a little bit like, “eh, blah.”

Adam: Yeah, guys sometimes need help with wrapping paper.

Amanda: Exactly, but it was just so sweet, you know? It was just like, “Oh my God, that is the sweetest thing in the world.” Yeah. But just to all of you listening, like, there is something in you, it's calling you forward, and when you follow it, you don't always know what's going to happen. You don't always know why. You don't always know what the gifts are gonna be along the way.

And I just love that that's what happened with your daughters, and who knows… how old are they? I have two girls too. It's so funny, Adam. We literally are like kindred spirits. Well, I mean, you're Cap sun, right? I'm Cancer sun. Yeah. So we've got that little polarity going.

Adam: Uh-huh. Yeah. No, I, um… my daughters are seven and 10. One's about to turn eight, the other will next turn 11.

Amanda: Three years apart, exactly like mine, who are 17 and 14. I got two there. Am I gonna be okay?

Adam: Oh, yeah.

Amanda: Oh my God, it's the best. Okay. I love their teenage years. I'm like, “I wish this wasn't going so fast.” Yeah. But I have to say, I have to say something that my mom… So I, you know, I'm the daughter and there's three boys in my family, and whenever my mom and I would be out, people would make comments like, “Oh, she's sweet now. Wait until she's 14.” Oh, that's so awful. Or, you know, they would make these… they would like seed this horrible future for us. They would walk away and my mom would go, “We're not doing that. We're gonna remain close through all of it,” and we did. And so I've never projected that teenage horror onto my daughters either.

And actually, even when I was in high school, I was like, “If I were ever a teacher, I'd wanna be a high school teacher.” Like, I think it's such a cool time of life, you know, where they're, like, finding themselves and finding who they are. And it's an absolute delight to have teenagers.

Adam: Well, when I was in college, during the summer I worked as a camp counselor for high schoolers. And then also in graduate school, I worked in a mentoring program with high school students as well. And I've always felt like, honestly, the younger years have been more… I don't feel like I know what I'm doing, like I'm following my wife's lead a lot. But I've always known deep down when they get older, I have a lot of experience. I was a youth pastor, worked with high school kids. So I feel like that's a little bit more of my zone. So maybe it'll be even a little bit more natural for me. I don't know.

But yeah, it's weird how people project stuff like that. And actually, that piece of memoir writing to me is like one of the things that I really hope to convey in my book was that a lot of the times we think… I think people believe that sometimes their spiritual journey starts when they discover their birth chart. Like, “oh,” you know, at least a lot of people come to astrology, they discover their birth chart, and they really feel like their path starts once they find astrology. But one of my favorite, most meaningful forms of astrology to do with people is actually backward-looking rather than forward-looking.

Amanda: Yes. We can go back and say, “No, there was guidance, there was intelligence, there was patterning when you were seven and that move happened, or when you were 14 and your parents got divorced, and here was a Pluto transit.” And I feel like that's certainly what I was trying to convey in my book—is that the reader knows that I'm having these astrological experiences, so to speak. Guided, intelligent, designed, patterned, unfolding of destiny is occurring well before I know that astrology's happening, and the reader gets to know that before the narrator knows that, so to speak. Um, so I think both of our books really seem to emphasize that your life is astrological prior to you ever knowing it is. And it always is, because it's pointing to something deeper that astrology's just giving language to.

Laura: Absolutely. And as astrology students, it's so helpful to be able to look back at story and learn about the transits you're going through. It's, like, probably the most effective way to learn astrology, and the power of story is just so, so important. So thank you both for writing these two amazing books. I can't get over how similar they are and how many synchronicities there have been.

Um, you can get your copies. If you have not already read these books, you can go to lifebythestars.com and get Life by the Stars. It's also on Amazon. Uh, Adam, where can people get your book?

Adam: So if you go to nightlightastrology.com and click on the shop page, my books, you can find the link to buy directly from the press that we use. We have our own imprint, so going direct from the press if you're in the US is way more beneficial for us than Amazon. But if you're outside of the US, you can find it on Amazon, and then Audible will be out in July or August. So if you wanna wait a little bit, you'll be able to find it on Amazon with Audible probably, yeah, July or August.

Amanda: Nice. I think it's so funny, too, we both have our own imprint. We both decided to self-publish. Did you do that, too? Yeah. Okay. What's your imprint name?

Adam: Star Garden Books.

Amanda: Oh, that's beautiful. I love that. Ours is Sky House Press. Oh, my God, even that, I'm just like, “what?” Um, yeah, so, and the same for us, you guys. If you go to lifebythestars.com, and if you order directly from us, my parents will be shipping it out to you. The shipping is free in the US, and we're also offering the best pricing through us. Are you doing that, too, Adam? That's right, yeah, get it for a few dollars less. Um, and you can also get the audiobook there and the e-book there. But I live in Hawaii, so I totally understand shipping and it just being exorbitant sometimes, and that's where Amazon comes in, so of course we're there, too.

Adam: Yep, same thing here. Whatever's easiest for you guys, obviously. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Laura: Well, this has been awesome. Thank you, Adam, thank you, Amanda, and just thank you for willing to be vulnerable in these stories. They're both amazing. I highly recommend both of them. And yeah, here's to more story and more unexpected synchronicities between us.

Amanda: Yeah. Thank you. Adam, are you gonna be at UAC this year?

Adam: Oh, for sure, yeah, I've got a table. We'll be selling the book, so we'll be there.

Amanda: Yeah, same. Oh, my God. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Okay. What we need to do is we need to sign copies for each other and trade.

Adam: Yes. That'd be really fun, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, because I only got the, um, like, the paper version of yours that, like, draft. Yep, so yes, so I'll give you a signed copy, and we'll trade little notes or something.

Amanda: I love it. I'm gonna bring my copy and ask for your signature, Adam.

Adam: Oh, that'd be so much fun, yeah. Yeah. And for sure, too, like, whenever this comes out, give me all the links so that I can send them to all of my people so they can know about this, 'cause this synchronicity would be really interesting to all of the people at Nightlight and the YouTube channel and Instagram and stuff like that. So I'll try to help you guys spread the word.

Amanda: Yay. Thank you.

Adam: Absolutely. Yes.

Laura: All right, everyone. Well, thank you so much for tuning into this episode, and thank you for making astrology a part of your life. We'll catch you on the next episode.