Interpreting & anticipating global events and collective shifts w/Dr. Stormie Grace
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In this episode of the Astrology Hub podcast 🚀
In this episode of the Astrology Hub podcast, host Amanda welcomes astrologer Stormie Grace to discuss the fascinating world of mundane astrology. Together, they explore how astrology can be used to interpret global events and shifts, providing insight into what’s coming on the world stage. Stormie also shares personal anecdotes about her recent move to Spain and how astrology played a role in the decision-making process.
What You'll Learn in This Episode:
📚The fundamentals of mundane astrology and how it’s used to analyze world events.
Key planetary players and transits to watch for major global shifts.
🌕How outer planets like Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto affect collective consciousness.
🔍Insight into upcoming global astrological events for 2025 and 2026.
🔮The importance of grounding and adaptability during times of change.
⭐️Stormie’s perspective on how astrology can guide both individual and collective growth.
Go deeper into Mundane Astrology with Dr. Stormie Grace! For the first time ever, we’re releasing Stormie’s acclaimed Mastery Class on Mundane Astrology to the public. Previously available only to our Inner Circle members, this class is now accessible with a special, limited time 22% discount*.
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Transcript:
00:00:00:05 – 00:00:21:16
AMANDA
Well. Hello everybody, and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. I am so happy that you're here. Now, you may be hearing about the potential for big global events impacting on specific countries impacting the entire world. There's a lot of talk about global astrological events happening right now, and that's going to continue into 2025.
00:00:21:16 – 00:00:22:24
STORMIE
And 2026.
00:00:23:01 – 00:00:46:02
AMANDA
So what we wanted to do was create an episode for you here on the podcast, where you can learn about how astrology, others are looking at charts for the world or for countries. It's called mundane astrology. It's a really unfortunate name as far as I'm concerned, because it just doesn't sound that interesting. But it actually is very, very interesting.
00:00:46:08 – 00:01:26:03
AMANDA
And so I have a very special guest with us here today to talk about mundane astrology, what it is, where to get started, what planets are the big players in the interpretations of world or country charts, and how you can actually start to look at what astrologers are looking at when they are talking about global events, and perhaps even come to your own conclusions about what you think is coming up for us all in near future events.
00:01:26:05 – 00:01:45:18
AMANDA
Today we have with us a very dear guest, stormy Grace, who has been a part of the Astrology Hub platform for many, many years. We haven't featured on the her on the podcast for a little while, so I'm really happy that storm is back and she's going to be in the inner circle again this year and next year in 2025, which is also very exciting.
00:01:45:20 – 00:02:11:15
AMANDA
Stormy is a practicing astrologer and YouTuber. She holds a Doctorate of Business, which enables her to apply the skills of business and mundane astrology, as well as personal chart work. She's a board member of OPA, a member of Avon, ESR and NCR, a contributor to Career Astrologer, of course astrology, ABC.com and Midheaven magazine, and she's also a faculty member for this Portland School of Astrology.
00:02:11:15 – 00:02:28:22
AMANDA
I don't know if that's true any more stormy, since I know that you've made a big international move over to Spain, which I would just love to start there, because I know that there's an astrological story here with your recent move to Spain. So can you tell us a little bit about that? And and also welcome back. Thanks for being.
00:02:28:22 – 00:02:55:19
STORMIE
Here. Yeah. Thanks. It's so good to be back. I love being here. This is the best tribe to be in for sure. And yes, I can tell you about it. And the astrological. It's absolutely been brilliant to to watch it play out. So for me what it looked like is it was nodal first. And when the nodes got into Taurus in Scorpio 20 years ago, I had wanted to go.
00:02:55:19 – 00:03:17:23
STORMIE
Previously I had wanted to live in Europe. I thought I would live in Europe, my grandparents are German. I just always kind of assumed I would be there. That's the piece of life I wanted and to study languages. I'm a polyglot, so it was very important to me to be here and life, life wife was like a thing and I stayed in the United States, had my children, did education, did all of those things.
00:03:18:04 – 00:03:46:00
STORMIE
And when the nodes came back around, we just live our patterns. So we'll always have some semblance, but we hopefully apply more wisdom and have more courage to come out these things differently. And I knew I said, oh my gosh, I think I'm getting ready to take off. And at the same time that we had this wonderful Uranus and Taurus action happened and became like this massive uprising of the digital nomad.
00:03:46:02 – 00:04:19:13
STORMIE
And I am one of them. And it is so brilliant to see how in the mundane astrology, how that as Uranus awakened and this Taurus vibration, it literally sent people back to the land of their ancestors, or the land where they felt like the food and the value and the pleasure and the play were there. It's brilliant to watch, and if you have not seen this or really followed when the digital movement, digital nomad movement really took off because it was tricky, but then it.
00:04:19:13 – 00:04:46:03
STORMIE
Yeah. And it was so amazing that so many times people were saying, I just feel like I have to go. And that is very Uranian. And they didn't have any questions about it. That's what I love about Uranus. You don't you're not unsure. You're like, oh no, I have to go now. And that was the case. for me and for us, it was very definite that it was time to go.
00:04:46:05 – 00:04:59:14
AMANDA
Did you consult your astro cartography? I mean, I think that's probably a silly question, but did you look at your lines, your family's lines? Like, how did you how did astrology come into play in terms of the place that you chose?
00:04:59:16 – 00:05:23:01
STORMIE
Yes. So it didn't come into play in terms of the place I chose. We chose the place. And there were some series of synchronistic events that actually I was aiming for Germany, because that's where my family is from. And I am in Seville, Spain, and that, I think, was the universe kind of giving my shoulder that nudge, a little course correction to say, actually here.
00:05:23:03 – 00:05:52:18
STORMIE
And it was great because we chose and then I did my astro cartography with, Martha Clark. And it's so funny because the lines that I had in Colorado are the exact lines that I have in Spain. But in two very different containers in the United States. The country itself holds a very masculine container. Right now, the vibration is primarily masculine, and as they came into Spain, I had access to the same lines in a very feminine container.
00:05:52:21 – 00:06:20:15
STORMIE
And it has completely played out in a in a very different delivery of who I am. It has softened my husband and helped him heal in some very deep ways and has given rest to my daughter. You know, it has been a very, very different experience. So in that way I do laugh that I'm like, no, no, I, I probably would have consulted my astro cartography first because I am an astrologer, but this one was a little bit more guided.
00:06:20:15 – 00:06:28:18
STORMIE
And I do think that's also very Uranian. Your higher self wakes up and goes, just be quiet. I'm showing you where would you wake up?
00:06:28:20 – 00:06:48:17
AMANDA
It's Uranian and it's very feminine. I mean, you really like we're intuitively you were reading the signs and the feedback you were getting from the universe, and you were allowing that to guide you. I have another question before we go into the mundane astrology, you said this was a nodal axis kind of pattern. I love how you said we we live our patterns.
00:06:48:17 – 00:07:10:24
AMANDA
We just hopefully do so with more wisdom and intelligence over time. Right? More consciousness. Did you have foresight that when that nodal shift happened to Taurus and Scorpio, that you might have this impetus to move, or did the narrative happen and then you went, whoa, oh, oh, yeah, I remember I've always wanted to live in Europe. How did that work?
00:07:11:01 – 00:07:33:05
STORMIE
Yeah, no, I knew, I knew because I think because I'm still having in consultation and I sit with people a lot and we talk about the patterns. So even looking back into my own chart and I explored with my husband, you know, before we were even talking about the Taurus Scorpio axes coming in. And what were you doing at this time in your life?
00:07:33:05 – 00:07:55:19
STORMIE
And what was going on, what was shaping? So we knew something was coming. I didn't know exactly. And that's where I make room for the universe to surprise and delight me. Even as an astrologer, you know? so I did know that I was like, well, here are the things that I have done. So these things in my pattern will show up now, in 20 years from now, they'll show up again and we'll do something similar to it.
00:07:55:21 – 00:08:06:10
STORMIE
So yes, we we did have some insight. And then when it happened and the clarity kicked, it was it was really, really neat.
00:08:06:12 – 00:08:30:00
AMANDA
I love it. Ray Merriman was just on the podcast last month and he said, I think it's a mark Twain quote, actually, that the patterns don't necessarily repeat exactly the same, but they rhyme. They rhyme. So there's, you know, there's a resonance to them. And I totally butchered that quote. It wasn't exactly like that, but something like that.
00:08:30:04 – 00:08:59:14
AMANDA
Yeah. So and that's what you're describing like this, this pattern for you. And speaking of patterns, this comes into global events as well. This comes into countries charts and in the world. So let's talk about this. Let's talk about this global astrology mundane astrology. And let's start with the major players. When you're looking at world events, what are you looking at in terms of which planet are you looking at?
00:08:59:14 – 00:09:02:11
AMANDA
The nodes. Let's just start there.
00:09:02:13 – 00:09:27:12
STORMIE
Yeah. So funny enough, like I look up when you're like mundane is not a very good name for mundane astrology. I love that because it's not it's not very mundane, you know, in our traditional sense, but it actually comes from the Latin name mundus, which means the world. So we know we know that, first of all, that this was the original type of astrology because people were not wondering so much about, well, I have a baby.
00:09:27:12 – 00:09:43:00
STORMIE
Well, I have these things. These are always human concerns. But they wanted to know, Will we have an earthquake? Are we going to die? Is the sun going to crash into the, you know, the earth? These were the questions. So it's kind of neat to see that way before we have what we have. This was the original kind.
00:09:43:00 – 00:10:09:04
STORMIE
It wasn't anything at all, you know. So that's something to kind of keep in mind that we've been using this for a very long time. So some of the big key players are, first of all the sun. Will the sun rise and set? Will the king will the queen rise or set. This is important information, right? When you're thinking about how we govern a country, or how will we know which events we are looking at to to navigate?
00:10:09:05 – 00:10:28:04
STORMIE
How what are we doing here? Is essentially the question. So the sun plays an absolutely huge significance in what we're doing in mundane astrology, but also the moon, because then the moon is going to tell us the governance of the people. What are the state and the condition of the people, the general populace, the general opinion how is daily life going?
00:10:28:04 – 00:10:56:17
STORMIE
What's the climate of the masses? These kinds of things. And, you know, it's interesting as I'm even talking about it and I think this is it been in my awareness as over the last like two years as I've been practicing, that I don't think there are any minor players in mundane astrology. They just work differently. The outer planets in mundane astrology bring the significance of holding a longer container of what that world, or what the globe or the country will work on.
00:10:56:19 – 00:11:18:13
STORMIE
And the inner planets just show us more short term what we're going to experience more quickly and more intensely. So that said, we do want to be paying attention to where is Saturn? Where is Neptune, what's happening with Pluto and Uranus, as they're going to set the stage for what planets are or what countries are going to work on for a longer period of time.
00:11:18:15 – 00:11:19:11
STORMIE
00:11:19:13 – 00:11:46:24
AMANDA
And are there particular cyclical transits that we're looking at in terms of those outer planets? And then also, sorry, real quick, I know that we've we've, as humanity discovered some other outer planets that weren't a part of the conversation when mundane astrology would have started. So how does that come into maybe your interpretation or what you see astrologers doing in general?
00:11:47:01 – 00:12:14:14
STORMIE
Yes, absolutely. So first of all, yeah, we were not we were not living our best lives with Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. This just wasn't the business, you know? So now we have those in our space for consideration and the way that I play with it, and I see other people using it and bringing it into their practice is we have access, you know, it's like advance my ego to have a baby with a little bit of, you know, be cool medicine now and thank God for advancements.
00:12:14:16 – 00:12:44:22
STORMIE
So it's things like that. So in when we're using and we're bringing the new knowledge, first of all, we acknowledge that in mundane astrology, when those outer planets were discovered that our consciousness was ready as a collective to embody what those planets needed to show us and usher in for us. So any time we see some kind of new discovery, I mean, God knows what else we're going to discover, but it brings in the next layer of consciousness and how we're going to work with it.
00:12:44:24 – 00:13:11:10
STORMIE
Now, any time that the outer planets are having a joining our conversation with one another, we're going to pay a lot of attention to those titles, because they are telling us that we have got a very big global change of mind and change of direction, that the energies are going to be going. You know, we're going to see that when we get into 2025, we will see Saturn and Neptune dance with one another.
00:13:11:10 – 00:13:32:22
STORMIE
This is important. This is a big deal with this is a new mind frame, a structure that will be going on in the world that we haven't really seen and participated in before as well. There will be new ideals and a whole new vision held for the world itself that we will continue to move towards. How we govern will be absolutely different as well.
00:13:33:01 – 00:13:45:00
STORMIE
So we do watch for these outer planets to be dancing with one another, to see what they're going to be kicking back in terms of these longer term lessons.
00:13:45:02 – 00:14:14:17
AMANDA
I remember in 2020, the astrologers kept saying you included, there's a huge astrological event happening in 2020, and it will be global. Like it's not specific to a country or a region of the planet. It is absolutely a global event. So what what would you be looking at to make that sort of distinction? Like this is a global shift versus this is a shift for a particular country, for example.
00:14:14:19 – 00:14:41:04
STORMIE
So looking at a global event as as we're seeing it here, really again comes back to those outer planets because they're going to hold a bigger container where nobody is going to be missed by it. Right? Every country, every set of people is going to be impacted by it. So when we're looking at that, that's when it also we have to kind of squish it down into the containers of the different countries.
00:14:41:10 – 00:15:03:03
STORMIE
We need to take, the Saturn-uranus square. We need to take, you know, Saturn, Neptune coming together. We need to take Jupiter and Saturn coming together. We need to take those bodies and drop them then for further interpretation into the country chart. Because just seeing it in the global perspective is going to give us the semblance of what will this wave bring into the world.
00:15:03:07 – 00:15:30:15
STORMIE
But then how will each individual country respond to that? And those waves will thus, you know, have impact on how the global engagements go. That's where it has to start. So we kind of start with this big wide angle of this will have an impact because of how rare it is when they come together. And then we need to shrink it down, and then we continue to shrink it down and bring it into our personal lives in our homes.
00:15:30:19 – 00:15:32:17
STORMIE
So it's really a bit of a funnel.
00:15:32:19 – 00:15:51:24
AMANDA
Okay. And stormy, how do you technically like how do you actually pull these charts? Like, you know, because if you're if you're doing birth time for an individual, you know, your birth time, date, location, you know how to do that, how do you do it for the world? And how do you do it for a country?
00:15:52:01 – 00:15:53:22
STORMIE
How do you do it for the world? That is.
00:15:54:00 – 00:16:01:21
AMANDA
There's there is a birth chart for the world, like how do you actually do? How do you technically pull the charts so you can start to look at these things?
00:16:01:23 – 00:16:05:10
STORMIE
So we don't have a birth chart for the world? That would be.
00:16:05:10 – 00:16:07:02
AMANDA
I was being facetious. Yeah.
00:16:07:02 – 00:16:10:05
STORMIE
But you know what? I still really like it because that would be really great.
00:16:10:10 – 00:16:10:19
AMANDA
Yeah.
00:16:10:24 – 00:16:30:20
STORMIE
Anybody has that information, you feel free to call Rick Levine. Okay. Yes. No. but what we do when we're looking at it for the world, we're just looking at the dance of where they are. But for individual countries or events, we're pulling it just like a normal birth chart. What is the date, the time, and the place that the particular event is going to happen?
00:16:31:01 – 00:16:53:14
STORMIE
Now in terms of countries, countries can have a lot of different birth charts because we're going to look for a significant event. That thing caused them to change direction. Was there a constitution that was signed? Was there, was there a war? And not every war gets a new chart or gives the country a new chart. That's not always the case.
00:16:53:16 – 00:17:23:02
STORMIE
sometimes there are multiple constitutions that have been signed within a country. So you you're trying to stay as current as you can with whatever the country's doing that is reshaping how it is existing. But you pull it exactly like a birth chart. So this can be a little bit tricky depending on where you are. If anybody's ever seen, the charts for Japan or China, they have several charts.
00:17:23:04 – 00:17:37:15
STORMIE
There's a lot to be looking at. We don't fully agree on the active chart of the United States. We've got two that we've come down to. So that's pretty good. We're in the in the zip code of solution, but we're looking for bigger events that shape the direction.
00:17:37:17 – 00:17:51:05
AMANDA
And can you do like chart rectification techniques to see like you would do for a person that you don't know their exact birth time? For example, can you backtrack based on big events for that country to pinpoint it?
00:17:51:07 – 00:18:19:16
STORMIE
Absolutely. You can definitely do an educational, I think, for the mundane rectification that is a definite specialty. And it is not something that I specialize in. But I do know that there are practitioners who can go back and they really, really enjoy that. I feel like those are our astrologer historians who really like getting in there. But also it's nice because oftentimes countries do keep good record, so you have some space to go back and say, oh, they claimed independence here.
00:18:19:16 – 00:18:30:08
STORMIE
Oh, the Constitution was signed here, you know. Oh, and annex happened here. And you can kind of look at those, those different dates. Put that in that room. Very helpful.
00:18:30:10 – 00:18:54:19
AMANDA
If someone was I mean, so when we first started talking we talked about the importance of the sun, the importance of the moon and then the outer planets. But you also said there's really no insignificant players. So if someone wanted to start, though, is there is there a good starting point? Like always look at Saturn and Jupiter or you know, always look at what Pluto is like.
00:18:54:22 – 00:19:03:24
AMANDA
Is there any sort of starting point that could help someone sort of hone in this huge breadth of information to start to notice the patterns?
00:19:04:05 – 00:19:23:09
STORMIE
Yeah. In my particular practice with mundane, I always say start with what we know we can see, start with the sun, start with the moon. Because if you can understand the people and can understand the rulership that it is currently under with the sun, who's in charge, this is going to give you a lot of information immediately about the sun changes so much.
00:19:23:09 – 00:19:25:13
AMANDA
How do you do it? Like what are you looking at.
00:19:25:15 – 00:19:34:23
STORMIE
Yeah, you're looking at at the time with the the country was born, let's say we're like in a country. You're going to be looking at the sun to see, first of all, what is.
00:19:34:23 – 00:19:35:07
AMANDA
That.
00:19:35:07 – 00:20:06:18
STORMIE
Country's natural rulership. Right. Like what are they looking for? What were they born under, Alina? Dictatorship or monarchy? Were they looking for? Because that kind of leadership that's like kind of governor, that head of state is going to indicate the overall direction that this country is trying to go. So we also have to remember that, yes, the sun changes all of the time, but when the chart was cast, it's got a particular sun, it's got a particular moon placements.
00:20:06:21 – 00:20:23:23
STORMIE
So what was happening in the chart at that time. And then we weigh that against the transits when we get there. So what's the current sun transit doing? Are there any aspects from the outer planet coming to that nation? Sun because we may be having some big changes in leadership, which could change the entire direction of a country, right?
00:20:23:23 – 00:20:36:22
STORMIE
We could have an outer planet transit to that country's moon, and it could change the entire opinion of its people. So these are start with what you can see in any story.
00:20:36:24 – 00:20:59:02
AMANDA
There's been a lot of talk about, the Pluto return, for example, for the United States. So that is basically Pluto coming back to the same position that it was in when the witch chart, though, because I know there's been some debate about when the Pluto return actually is what what's your what's your read on that.
00:20:59:04 – 00:21:17:17
STORMIE
Yeah. My take is the chart that is the Sagittarius Rising. So as the Independence Day chart I know some people like the Gemini Rising chart. I just don't vibe with it. It me, it doesn't add up. Also, from when I was learning mundane astrology is the one that I learned on, so I probably have my own bias in the way of that.
00:21:17:17 – 00:21:26:18
STORMIE
So I acknowledge that out front. But I believe that the United States has absolutely, absolutely done Pluto return.
00:21:26:20 – 00:21:29:11
AMANDA
Is done with the Pluto return, you said. Or in it.
00:21:29:13 – 00:21:30:20
STORMIE
In in in it.
00:21:30:22 – 00:21:33:22
AMANDA
In it now. Yeah. Yes. Yeah I think I think I will.
00:21:33:23 – 00:21:35:01
STORMIE
Because we're not done.
00:21:35:03 – 00:21:58:09
AMANDA
Yeah. No definitely not dead. I think that most people would probably agree. Okay. So we have some big, world conversations happening for 2025. And 2026. What what planetary aspects and transits are these based upon? You already alluded to it a little bit, but let's let's talk about it a little bit more.
00:21:58:11 – 00:22:20:08
STORMIE
Yeah. Well, you know, first and foremost, looking from the outer space, we've got Pluto moving into Aquarius. But it's not that Pluto is moving into Aquarius because we've had some flirting and some dancing with that, but it's that in 2025 we are done with Capricorn. So we will officially we move to the new world. We've had years to prepare to get into the new world.
00:22:20:08 – 00:22:49:01
STORMIE
The digital revolution has come upon us. This is how we will live now, right? So and that's a big deal, because we're not sneaking back in the back door into comfort that we used to have right as a globe. That's it. We're done. We're going forward. And that is going to be a big deal in a mundane way, which will trickle down into everyone's household, because one of the first things that will trigger is out in the world, the changes in the power struggles, that what's going on in Aquarius.
00:22:49:01 – 00:23:20:18
STORMIE
Of course, it's going to be about the advancement and how we're advancing with these things, but it's also going to trickle into everybody's personal lives because there has to be transformation and the power struggle to get on board with transformation to fit that societal change that's coming in. So that is going to be huge that I think will be such a major factor in the world, because when we're looking at mundane, we can't look at it without help.
00:23:20:18 – 00:23:40:07
STORMIE
People, the personal is going to struggle to do the changes that need to happen, right? That's how we shape the world that we're in. So and Pluto can bring up our dark, darker forces. Our deeper fears are I'm scrapping for control to keep things as they were. So we will continue to see that. And that's going to be huge.
00:23:40:09 – 00:24:11:03
STORMIE
But then, of course, we've got Neptune moving into the Aries. And this is a big deal. Neptune's been fine and Pisces living its best life, being very, very comfortable. And as Neptune pushes to areas in 2025, this is a significant shift. It's not. We're not in for the super long, shift into Pisces, but we're again going to start to flirt with the potentials that are there and start as a globe redefining identity, redefining individuality, fighting forward for a new idea.
00:24:11:08 – 00:24:37:14
STORMIE
Lots of innovation. Aries is a beginning energy. So we're going to begin. We're going to begin. We're going to innovate. And one of the things we're going to see is new spirituality, new ideas, right? New ideas about what is spiritually acceptable in particular places, what philosophies now govern us. Those are big deals. When we're talking about how do you navigate in day to day, life?
00:24:37:16 – 00:25:04:21
STORMIE
I also think that Neptune in Aries, because of the kind of spiritual awakening that comes to the table for us, is going to, from a spiritual perspective, revolutionize our belief structure about leadership style and about what we find acceptable. And there's going to be this call for the leader that is, without reproach, the leader that doesn't have some terrible back story.
00:25:04:23 – 00:25:26:00
STORMIE
Right. That's we're going to see a lot more of that, kicking up as we go and right behind that, we're going to see that Saturn's can also move into areas and begin to shape and refine. And that's an interesting dance because Saturn wants to create the structure. Neptune wants to dissolve it. And now we're talking about doing that in countries.
00:25:26:06 – 00:25:50:14
STORMIE
We're trying to, dissolve in authority, desired dissolve. and ideal. But then we're also going to try and create some structure around that. So there's issues that are going to be related to that. But they are all about creating the new structure and taking responsibility for the identity that the world and its individual countries will own moving forward.
00:25:50:18 – 00:25:55:16
STORMIE
So these are huge areas is where we start.
00:25:55:18 – 00:26:00:23
AMANDA
So are those are those the three biggest ones because we also have Uranus, right? Uranus moving into.
00:26:01:00 – 00:26:28:08
STORMIE
Uranus is going to move into Gemini. Yeah we're not done. Like oh my gosh it just keeps going. Has Uranus kids into Gemini. And we see this absolute explosion we think we're seeing I now we think we're seeing these innovations in in medical and science and even in mathematics. We are not the explosion of what we've learned where Uranus brought things up from under the Earth.
00:26:28:08 – 00:26:52:12
STORMIE
Skills, gifts, resources. We didn't know that we had access to, traumas even in the world. Right now, as Uranus comes into Gemini, we're going to see the advancements we can use to reset into shape a future for ourselves. It's going to be while I absolutely can't wait to see it and it reflects, I think, the spirit also of wanting to reform.
00:26:52:12 – 00:27:04:16
STORMIE
Not everybody going against it, everybody going, yes, to hear my voice. I want something different, I want progress even, even if I don't agree with what necessarily it it taught me.
00:27:04:18 – 00:27:42:05
AMANDA
How do you see what I love observing about you and the, the different astrologers that I've had on the platform talking about these changes? You all talk about them with a lot of enthusiasm and like a sense of adventure and like kind of like, oh, like what's next? I love asking about your personal perspective around it, because I think that it helps other people who may feel like they have to brace for some of these changes, or maybe they're hearing about ways that it could go really dark or like, really dystopian or really, like, not ideal, you know, changes in always.
00:27:42:07 – 00:28:00:20
AMANDA
My, my dad always used to say, this is not the best saying, but it's it's stuck with me. The devil you know is sometimes better than the devil you don't know. And so so I know that there's a lot of people feeling like that, like, ooh, like digital. I really like that. Doesn't sound exciting to me. I'd rather us be going back to nature and going back to the earth.
00:28:00:20 – 00:28:06:07
AMANDA
So what? What do you how do you see it and how do you hold it?
00:28:06:09 – 00:28:37:05
STORMIE
Thank you for asking that, because that's something that's really important to me in the work in general right now. And the way that I see it is, first of all, we came into a human experience, and the human experience involves struggle. It does. And, you know, when you learn how to struggle, you struggle better. So there's, first of all, the internal personal battle of am I grounded enough to bend and not break as I'm on my journey?
00:28:37:05 – 00:28:55:18
STORMIE
And I think that's something that we're all working towards and with, you know, some people are very limber, but they are not emotionally strong, so they're learning to bend in that way. So I think that it comes down to the root first. Right. Where are you and what do you have that grounds you and helps you do the journey?
00:28:55:23 – 00:29:17:11
STORMIE
Because to be in the human experience and suffering under the weight, a mind that can tell you a lot of things, that's not something I want for any of us, but it is the journey that we're on to learn some mastery over that. So starting from the root there, I think, is where I look at all astrology.
00:29:17:13 – 00:29:36:24
STORMIE
The other place I go is I start to get a little bit wider. Now I'm taking the funnel down and up and out. But you're incarnated now you're here. I'm an evolutionary and a humanistic astrologer. I don't think anybody gets in or out before their time. You're here because your vibration matches the vibration that is here, which means you have something to do.
00:29:37:05 – 00:30:03:13
STORMIE
If you weren't needed any more, your vibration would not stay right. And we see that all the time as planets change signs and bring in the vibration, the things that are not vibrationally aligned go. And that is what it is. They shift where they go and that has has always been. That has always been. So you're here, you have a purpose.
00:30:03:15 – 00:30:33:09
STORMIE
So know that first of all, and the purpose is not just to get batted around by the universe, but humanity is built with some struggle. So how do you struggle better thinking it beyond that, I always like to bring people back to our past in the world. Humans are adaptable. I mean, really, I don't know. I don't know any aliens that I know of, but, the species, we kind of are like cockroaches a little bit, you know, like we're really indestructible.
00:30:33:09 – 00:30:56:14
STORMIE
When you go back through our history, we have survived a lot. Every body we have, and we do do it together, however that looks. We do it together, you know? So I try to take people back there. And at this particular time, a big thing I've been talking about is people worrying with AI, and it's going to take us down and all of these things, two things.
00:30:56:14 – 00:31:18:02
STORMIE
First of all, go back to the Industrial revolution. Think about it. Drop yourself into that time because we're in similar configurations, especially if you're honest. And Taurus, they thought that that was the end of days then. And what happened is the machines came in and it changed things significantly, significantly. And today the machines have been everyday part of our lives.
00:31:18:02 – 00:31:35:07
STORMIE
I sure like my cell phone. I sure like my washer dryer, you know what I mean? These things. So we're survived. We made it and we found a way to steward, the machines in the new world. We will find a way with what's coming in next as well. And the other thing. And this has stuck with me forever.
00:31:35:07 – 00:31:53:13
STORMIE
I went to a, a lecture with my husband and the man who was speaking. He said, you know how every generation says that the next generation, the younger one, is going to, like, kill us all off? And he said, you know, the very first person to say that, was Socrates. And here we are. And I thought, wow, we're doing all right.
00:31:53:13 – 00:31:57:20
AMANDA
I mean, you mean you mean every generation thinks that the next generation is like the end of humanity?
00:31:57:22 – 00:31:58:17
STORMIE
Absolutely.
00:31:58:17 – 00:32:01:01
AMANDA
Okay. And Socrates said that first.
00:32:01:03 – 00:32:26:16
STORMIE
Yeah. At least he wrote it down first. And I think right. We're doing we are we're going to change and change. Change is fine. It's the transition that we get bumped around a little bit. So really making sure that while we're going through the hallway, getting to change, you have some of your own grounding. That's really important. That's how we survive.
00:32:26:18 – 00:32:27:16
STORMIE
00:32:27:18 – 00:32:51:22
AMANDA
You know what I think is even harder than the change or like the getting bumped around part is the dread. Yeah, dread about the thought of the change and what it might, what it might bring. And I, and I see a lot of that right now. Like, there's just kind of this, like, oh no, you know, and and that I think it's like you said, all these things.
00:32:51:22 – 00:33:13:10
AMANDA
It's just an opportunity to work with these aspects of ourselves that are that are coming up. And with Pluto going into Aquarius, of course, Pluto's pulling up these deep seeded fears. And when you brought up the Industrial Revolution, I think about that all the time. Like if I was in that moment, what fear I could have about the future of the world.
00:33:13:15 – 00:33:34:03
AMANDA
And in some ways those fears were were founded. You know, we are more disconnected from nature. We are more more disconnected, maybe even from from our higher guidance and our, you know, these things. We are really busy and running around all the time, like all those things that probably sitting at the brink of that moment we were concerned about.
00:33:34:05 – 00:34:04:08
AMANDA
But there's also the parts that we probably couldn't see then, like I'm having this conversation with you, stormy, I'm on Maui, you are in Spain, and we are connected and we're connected with these people from all over the world, all of our listeners, all of the viewers right now who we've been able to come together in our love of the, of the sky, of the planets and the stars, like we've been able to find each other and have these conversations in a way that is is global, you know, and that's that's amazing.
00:34:04:08 – 00:34:24:04
AMANDA
And we probably couldn't see those kinds of gifts then. So whenever I go into any sort of fear around, I, I mean, a as an easy one because, you know, I also think about all the movies that we were shown about I long before I like, I even knew what I was like. I've gone back and looked at Terminator like, that's terrifying.
00:34:24:04 – 00:34:43:20
AMANDA
Who the heck want that? You know, it's absolutely terrifying. And I don't think there was ever any media shown to us where I ended up being a good thing. It always, like, turned on us and and destroyed the world and made it this super gray, ugly, horrible place to be. So we have to be aware of that too.
00:34:43:21 – 00:34:49:15
AMANDA
How are we already been programed to brace against this thing to do, to read it.
00:34:49:17 – 00:34:50:10
STORMIE
And and think.
00:34:50:10 – 00:35:06:24
AMANDA
That it could ruin us? And where is where is that founded and where is that kind of just programing? And how do we how do we create with it? How do we bring our own intention and consciousness and vision and awareness into what's happening?
00:35:07:01 – 00:35:13:05
STORMIE
Absolutely. I mean, besides the Jetsons, I, I was prepared to be in my floaty car. I'm not going to lie.
00:35:13:08 – 00:35:16:24
AMANDA
That's true. The Jetsons. It was cool in The Jetsons.
00:35:17:01 – 00:35:38:15
STORMIE
That's right. You know where I was walking. But yeah, and I just love that you brought up Pluto in Aquarius, because I think we've needed to have adapt with that, because it really does bring out these really big fears about how collectively we've been shaped. Yeah, but Moon in Aquarius, you know, Aquarius is the two lines, but they're not separate from each other in that glyph.
00:35:38:15 – 00:36:00:19
STORMIE
It is the individual and the collective. So is what do I bring here. And looking at how we've been shaped to all be similar in some way or have a similar mind frame, but being pushed to go, what do I offer? What do I do with my finances? What food I eat? That's very Aries and that's where we're going.
00:36:00:23 – 00:36:24:10
STORMIE
And that you're right, that can be a lot that is coming up. But I love that we are connected to people in other countries and they say, okay, you don't have to do that, right? They show us another way of living, another way of being that is not within our American, Australian programing, you know, whatever. So there's there's a lot that comes with it for sure.
00:36:24:12 – 00:36:28:04
STORMIE
But we have some choice. We have some choice.
00:36:28:04 – 00:36:48:03
AMANDA
Do we have some choice? Thank you so much for your perspective. For me, Spain looks really good on you. It looks good on you. It sounds good on you. It feels good on you. I'm really I mean, talk about change. Like we all know, whenever we move geographically or even travel, there's this expansion of of awareness of ourselves.
00:36:48:07 – 00:37:12:14
AMANDA
You know, you have to like, reorient to who you are. And and there's the it's it's very exciting. So I guess we can all consider that we're doing a major change of address in the coming years in that there is always challenge, there's always like the disorientation and, and that period of breaking down, you know, the layers of that that we thought we were.
00:37:12:16 – 00:37:27:11
AMANDA
And there's also the embracing of who were becoming in the process. And it sounds to me like we're collectively going to be going through that together over the next couple of years, and not like we haven't been going through it, but it's going to be accelerated on some level.
00:37:27:13 – 00:37:51:05
STORMIE
Yeah, we're we're making the next pages of the history book right now when you get to that chapter in school and they've got the big old Industrial Revolution picture on chapters 30,000, we're going to be the next chapter where you see all the little AI people and we're we're doing that. And that is not only big and massive and special, because we're doing it with every soul mate here that we need.
00:37:51:05 – 00:37:59:03
STORMIE
The cast of characters has been perfectly assembled. Make me cry, stormy. I know, me too, actually. I was like, whoa.
00:37:59:05 – 00:38:27:09
AMANDA
Wow, that is just beautiful. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay, everyone. So stormy your beautiful and amazing. Thank you so much for for giving us this intro on that mundane astrology. And thank you for redefining it. For me. It's still it's either the word mundane needs a redefining or we we from the very beginning, whatever people were talking about mundane astrology, I was like, you mean some like boring astrology?
00:38:27:09 – 00:38:58:17
AMANDA
Like astrology that like, isn't very interesting is very normal. You know? Anyways, yeah. My own thing. thank you for helping to reframe it, for helping us get this orientation for any of you who are like, I want to go deeper. Stormy does have a mastery class with us that she taught for our inner circle members a couple of years ago, where you can start to learn how to interpret this yourself, and we are releasing it from the vault that we love to think of it as like a mastery quest vault, we are releasing it to the public.
00:38:58:17 – 00:39:20:00
AMANDA
It's never been made available to the public. It was only available for Inner Circle members, and we are going to be we're releasing that today. So any of you that want to partake in that, it is now available and you get a 22% discount, which is great. That's in celebration of the release of this mastery class only through, Wednesday of next week, though.
00:39:20:00 – 00:39:46:01
AMANDA
So I am not quite sure what that date is, but it's a short little. Little, promotion to celebrate releasing it from a vault. If you're interested in partaking in Stormi's mastery class on mundane astrology, you can go to Astrology hub.com/mundane. There's that word again. And then to get the discount just enter in discount code world. So enter in the discount code world and you'll get your 22% off.
00:39:46:01 – 00:40:06:04
AMANDA
If you are an Inner Circle member you do get to stack your discounts. So our group members you get to add 10% on top of that, and our expand members, you get to add 20% on top of that. So that is available to you now if you are an inner circle member, if you weren't a member when Stormi taught, if you are a member, it's already in your online library.
00:40:06:04 – 00:40:15:14
AMANDA
So don't worry about that. Do you want to tell us a little bit about that class, what they're going to learn, why you chose the certain like angle of it that you did?
00:40:15:16 – 00:40:38:23
STORMIE
Absolutely. So it is an introduction to mundane astrology class, and I specifically chose to teach it and come from the angle of no matter what kind of astrology you've been trained in or your perspective is this class is so basic and will get those concepts and the different ways that we talk about the planets and the houses. It'll get you orientated to it in a in a really solid foundational way.
00:40:38:23 – 00:41:01:12
STORMIE
For me, I'm all about strong foundations and letting the simple and the practical guide you. And from there, if you want to add in fixed stars and anything else that you like and do that Astro gymnastics, you'll have a solid foundation here too. Because you do have to think differently. The planets don't mean the same thing in a mundane chart, so you need to be able to say it.
00:41:01:17 – 00:41:16:21
STORMIE
You know, you got to be able to be astrologically fluent if you're whatever kind of astrology you're practicing. So in this class, that's what you get. We go over those planets with over the houses. We go over how we look at the different angles of how they work together in a foundational way.
00:41:16:23 – 00:41:26:23
AMANDA
But specifically mundane. So there's like nuances if you've learned natal charts, this is going to be a different kind of perspective for you on those planets and houses and.
00:41:27:01 – 00:41:28:05
STORMIE
Absolutely.
00:41:28:07 – 00:41:49:10
AMANDA
Amazing. Okay. All right. Well, Stormi has been so fun to connect with you. I'm so happy that you're flourishing and you're doing so well in Spain and that you're still practicing astrology, which we want you to do for a long, long, long, long, long time. So thank you for that. Very excited that we get to, be together again in the inner circle in 2025.
00:41:49:14 – 00:41:53:16
AMANDA
Anything you want to leave us with as just some closing thoughts.
00:41:53:18 – 00:42:17:18
STORMIE
Just that the universe is really very kind and it's very loving everything that we are going through. You don't have to do it alone. There's just personal work to do, but you don't have to do it alone. And that the universe really is very kind and loving. So turn your face to it and ask for the help that you need so the King progress forward, suffer better, suffer better.
00:42:17:18 – 00:42:19:05
STORMIE
As I say.
00:42:19:07 – 00:42:39:02
AMANDA
Thank you so much stormy. This has been such a pleasure. Thanks to all of you for being here. Thank you for being a part of our global community. I'm so happy that we are soulmates on this path, as stormy said, and that we get to experience the future together, that we get to suffer better as stormy says, together and learn from each other and learn from each other's perspectives.
00:42:39:02 – 00:42:59:10
AMANDA
And how are you doing it? And how do you deal with this? And I'm afraid of this. how do you see it? I think that this helps us so much to really just see that a it's not totally personal, like we have a lot of collective fears, and B, we also have the medicine and the remedies for each other to move beyond those.
00:42:59:10 – 00:43:15:22
AMANDA
So thank you for being here, for being a part of this conversation, for being curious. And, we couldn't do what we do without you taking everybody. I look forward to seeing you on the next episode. We're also dropping those links in the show notes, so look for the show notes for any of the links that we talked about here today.
00:43:16:02 – 00:43:18:18
AMANDA
All right. Take care everyone, and we'll see you on the next episode.