Healing By The Stars: The Truth About Astrological Medicine w/ Judith Hill
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In this episode of the Astrology Hub podcast 🚀
In this episode of the Astrology Hub podcast, host Amanda ‘Pua' Walsh sits down with living legend Judith Hill to discuss the fascinating intersections of astrology, health, and the human experience. Judith shares insights into the resurgence of astrology, its longstanding connection to medical practice, and her personal journey in the field. Listeners will discover the unique wisdom behind medical astrology and learn practical advice for approaching the powerful astrological energies anticipated in 2025.
What You’ll Learn by Tuning In:
🧾The reasons behind astrology's growing popularity and the historical roots of its modern-day misconceptions.
🩺Why astrology remains a powerful tool in medicine and health, as explained through Judith’s experiences and practical applications.
🔍Insight into “cosmic color rays” and their impact on physical and mental health.
💡Practical ways to prepare for the transformative astrological energies coming in 2025.
☝Advice for aspiring astrologers on the path to mastery, including essential skills and wisdom for working with clients.
📌An introduction to the upcoming Herbalism and Medical Astrology Conference, where Judith will join other renowned experts in the field.
Join our dear friends at the Academy for Astrological Medicine from November 12th through the 15th as nine masters in herbalism and medical astrology unite to showcase how the stars and herbs work in harmony to promote holistic health and well-being. Use code HUBFAM10 for 10% off! Reserve your spot at www.astrologyhub.com/healthsummit
Transcript:
00:00:00:06 – 00:00:31:21
Amanda
Hello my friends, and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. Now today's episode feels to me like we're gathering around a campfire as we hear stories, insights and guidance from one of the best professional astrologers in the world. A true wisdom keeper in the field of astrology, Judith Hill. If you're an astrology lover, a student, an aspiring medical astrologer, or someone who's just curious about the link between the stars and the planets and our physical bodies and health, you're going to love this episode.
00:00:31:23 – 00:00:55:06
Amanda
We cover things like why she thinks astrology has become so popular recently, why it's often so misunderstood. If there's any proof that astrology actually works. What it takes to become a master astrologer, and she gives practical advice for any of you who think you may want to give readings someday, and or if you're just considering that as a potential in the future, and you're going to want to stick around until the end.
00:00:55:11 – 00:01:21:20
Amanda
Because she gives very tangible advice mentally, emotionally, spiritually for ways that we can approach 2025 and the massive astrological energies that are coming our way. Judith is also hosting the most important event in medical astrology this year, November 11th through November 15th. It's the Herbalism and Medical Astrology Conference where you'll learn from other renowned medical astrologers and herbalists.
00:01:21:22 – 00:01:50:23
Amanda
She's generously offered our Astrology Hub community a 10% discount on this event, and actually on her entire academy. So go ahead and check the show notes for the link to the Medical Astrology and Herbalism event. Also, you're going to find your discount code there. I hope you enjoy this treasure trove of wisdom from a true living legend in astrology.
00:01:51:00 – 00:01:57:01
Amanda
Judith. I'm so grateful to have you here on the show. Thank you for being here. And welcome back.
00:01:57:03 – 00:02:00:17
Judith
Thank you. Amanda, I'm thrilled to be back. We always have so much fun.
00:02:00:19 – 00:02:28:13
Amanda
All right, well, so you are absolutely a master astrologer. You have taught so many people so much. And so what we'd like to do is have this opportunity to ask you some questions for how you got where you are. And also, any advice you might have for young astrologers or astrological aspirants as they're looking towards the future. Things that you would recommend for them as they're embarking upon their careers?
00:02:28:14 – 00:02:37:14
Amanda
So first, I want to start with this question. Why do you think there is such an immense resurgence of interest in astrology right now?
00:02:37:16 – 00:03:00:24
Judith
Oh my goodness, I thought you were going to ask me that. I'm ready for you actually, some time thinking about this last night. And I wrote myself down some thoughts because I didn't know what questions you would actually ask me for once. Popularity drives acceptance. So all of a sudden, what was a disreputable career is now an acceptable and popular career.
00:03:00:24 – 00:03:21:24
Judith
This was never the case 40 years ago. Secondly, we have computers. You aren't that weird, eccentric, learning to sit around doing your charts all by hand. That was a very hard work. Okay, so everybody can quickly see what their chart is. It's like, you know, all this. Are you margin areas or what are you, you know, what's your moonshine?
00:03:21:24 – 00:03:45:17
Judith
You know, it's available, right? Thirdly, I think we have, very odd if you believe in reincarnation. Not every not all your people do I understand that. But if you do, people reincarnate in groups. I think we're having a big resurgence from groups that were. It was always practiced and very popular. This is probably the Renaissance Europe.
00:03:45:19 – 00:04:17:08
Judith
It could be parts of India if they're more into the Jyotish system. It could be ancient Greece with this, we're having several people, about ten I can name in the past 40 years, including myself, working very hard to bring back the old traditional, ancient, medieval and Renaissance systems. Books are being written, and I've been working hard to bring back the the real old medical astrology, which was called astrological medicine.
00:04:17:10 – 00:04:47:14
Judith
And then we have the Harry Potter generation, who now this is something that needs to be addressed. Astrology is not magic. Plumbers can practice astrology. Scientists can practice astrology. Chefs can practice astrology. And magicians practice astrology. It just is the study of the planetary cosmic rays and cosmic color rays, and how they influence life on Earth and the human being.
00:04:47:16 – 00:05:11:05
Judith
So all these people grew up with Harry Potter and a crazy man. Crazy for magic. Get mad crazy about astrology. That's that. I think that book set a stage for what they do. And there's also a lot more acceptance in science. There have been several scientists that have come forth in their statistical studies of astrology. There's been discoveries in physics.
00:05:11:07 – 00:05:38:01
Judith
There's been discoveries in seismology. And I've seen at least two studies. One was my own that I did with Mark Pollitt on astro seismology that actually visually show planetary effects working. The other was by Lilly Callisto and her photographs of metal solutions, being affected by the moon's conjunctions of planets and the caller from did a wonderful book, replicating that.
00:05:38:01 – 00:06:13:19
Judith
But the book seems out of print, and you can see all the photographs in it. It was called the Metal Planet Relationship. Wow. Most important book in astrology, I think. For sure. Does it work? By now called Astrum, replicating the work of Lili Klitschko. And she got her some of her ideas from Dr. Steiner. So these things all together have made a climate and an atmosphere where we're seeing this enormous resurgence and acceptance in all levels, including medicine and a little bit in science.
00:06:13:21 – 00:06:22:15
Judith
Of course, we still have the old guard that think it's all, bosh and wind and rice pudding between your ears.
00:06:22:17 – 00:06:46:14
Amanda
Okay, couple questions there. Rick Levine often gives a definition of magic, and I think he's pulling it from someone else. It's basically what we say. Anything is before we actually understand the technology of it, before we understand how it works. It. It's called magic. So do you think that that's why astrology and magic are seen together in some way?
00:06:46:14 – 00:06:54:01
Amanda
Because we just don't totally understand the mechanism by which life on earth is impacted by the planet.
00:06:54:03 – 00:07:17:10
Judith
You're probably on to something here. People don't understand it. Know? And then they don't understand magic. But somehow they. Because magicians often use astrology, they are practical people, and real teachers are very practical people to a lot of my my clients are realtors. And so, you know, magicians use astrology a lot. They do and a lot of their work.
00:07:17:10 – 00:07:33:06
Judith
And so they think that, oh, it's part of magic. Well, it is part of magical use. It's part of medical use. It's part business use, part of, relationship use. But it's not. Astrology isn't magic. Magic can use astrology.
00:07:33:08 – 00:07:51:20
Amanda
Right. There you go. Yeah. And then the other question I have, just based on what you just shared. Cosmic rays, you often reference cosmic rays as what is impacting us here, both physically, you know, in our bodies, mentally, emotionally, all of it. What is it, cosmic ray?
00:07:51:22 – 00:08:20:08
Judith
Well, we're talking this is a word I got from, some Hindu authors or authors, in India. Trying to remember all their names. But they're talking about cosmic color rays that are in very fine matter that the planets emit. This isn't necessarily how the zodiac signs work. Many, many cycle machine. Many parts to the astrology machine.
00:08:20:10 – 00:08:48:24
Judith
But the cosmic color rays. Each planet emits a certain color and a temperature and a speed, and these affect the body and the mind in very different ways. And it's like being an astral mechanic. Learning. When you study medical astrology you start learning how these moving around and combine with each other produce very, very different results.
00:08:49:01 – 00:09:04:08
Judith
There are many theories is why astrology works. But that is the jyotish, one of cosmic color rays coming from planets. But there are many, many other theories of how this works. Its vibrational vibration.
00:09:04:10 – 00:09:08:10
Amanda
Why do you think astrology is so misunderstood?
00:09:08:12 – 00:09:48:09
Judith
Oh, guru got me going. There was a giant campaign to besmirch and suppress and hide astrology that there's been several of them, but probably, one of the worst happened as we got close to 1700. So I'm more a medical astrologer. So, you know, medical astrology reached its grand pinnacle in the 1600s. And Europe and especially England, just when it was being most attacked, there were diaries coming out, there were books, there were they were getting really scientific about it.
00:09:48:11 – 00:10:14:13
Judith
And they're keeping case studies. And just at this time they had their version of the FDA, the, you might say, the indigenous medical system of Europe and Middle East was called astral astrology. So physic, which means exactly astrological medicine, say they did such a good job. They wanted this gone. They wanted herbalism gone. They wanted, astrology in general.
00:10:14:13 – 00:10:40:13
Judith
Gone. So they began making fun of it, making it illegal. And it was this campaign was so successful. And when the politicians didn't want it because the like William Lilly and some of the greats of that era, they had Gutenberg's press now, okay. So they are now publishing almanacs that the common people were now getting into astrology and loving it, but they started to make fun.
00:10:40:15 – 00:11:14:10
Judith
And two of the politicians using these almanacs, the politicians had a huge incentive to shut them down. They wanted to get rid of this. And then the church somehow, you know, after Queen Elizabeth died, King James started persecuting astrologers again. And so Queen Elizabeth's protected astrologers just fine. And, so the, the church started to which always had it out for certain kinds of astrology, but maybe legal other kinds.
00:11:14:12 – 00:11:46:11
Judith
People don't notice medical astrology was always legal. Completely legal. With the church expected to be practiced. The popes used it, the kings used it, the pope studied it. Some of the popes taught it. So natural astrology did not interfere with the will of God. So you could practice natural astrology, but, so but we had the church, the, certain, more scientific, the enlightenment came in, and then what happened was we're getting this in a nutshell.
00:11:46:11 – 00:12:14:04
Judith
Amanda. It's got to be very assertive. But what happened was, there were some medical discoveries, such as? There's circulation, that Galen didn't know what the liver really did. Oh, everything turned out to be. Oh, this must be wrong. And then they discovered that the earth was not the center of the universe. The solar system. So they decided all this shine to show astrology must be not true.
00:12:14:06 – 00:12:46:16
Judith
Let's throw out the baby with the bathwater. Let's just get rid of. It was sort of like. What happened in China. They just got rid of it all and they beat it into the ground. And from that moment on, you could barely mention astrology without it being made fun of. And this went on until very recent times. There was a law in the media in California, and I know this because I know people who are in the top of the media, and you could not represent astrology without making it look silly or poking fun at it.
00:12:46:18 – 00:13:26:23
Judith
And if I go down to the library about ten years ago, I would do this and look at the vocational guides here. There were two giant vocational guides. Both of them. I'd look up astrologer and both of them it was listed under entertainer. Never allowed to take this seriously or they would meet. I remember when the business, the financial astrologers had a meeting in downtown, and I don't know if it's Francisco or Portland, but there's a newscaster saying the business astrologers are meeting today, and he's standing in front of a big flashing neon palmistry sign, does something like Madam Czar over it.
00:13:27:00 – 00:13:59:23
Judith
And so people are continually making astrology look silly, fraudulent or stupid. And this started back then. So there was to ask your question. There was a giant campaign from from the enlightenment scientists, from that, their version of the FDA. They wanted to get rid of astrology physic because it was competing for clients. Most insurers didn't charge very much and use local herbs, and talk plain English, not Latin, and did not saunter about in ermine coats on horseback.
00:14:00:00 – 00:14:17:20
Judith
So, they we also had the pope, the new religious persecution that started up and the politicians in the helm. And all of this happened and they beat the system underground. But the people who are all very happy with it and practiced it seemed to be back.
00:14:17:22 – 00:14:18:07
Amanda
Yeah.
00:14:18:10 – 00:14:25:08
Judith
I, or at least for you who don't believe in reincarnation, they're back and their spirit has come back as a wave.
00:14:25:10 – 00:14:42:23
Amanda
You know, Judith, one of the most popular podcast episodes you and I have ever done is the one where you talk about reincarnation. Oh, it has the highest views. Yeah. So, I mean, clearly enough people are curious and interested and and probably really do believe that it's a thank you. Have you looked up astrology and Wikipedia?
00:14:43:00 – 00:14:43:19
Judith
No.
00:14:43:21 – 00:15:10:17
Amanda
It still calls it a pseudoscience. Like it's literally the first line, a pseudoscience that people claim can do this. But then, of course, it goes into how there's no real scientific evidence and there's no real proof that any of it's true. So I'd love to ask you that about that. Is that in your from your perspective, is there scientific evidence that proves the efficacy or accuracy of astrology?
00:15:10:19 – 00:15:23:08
Judith
Absolutely. There's more to pull projects and experiments that have proved that, yes, something's working. They just continue. It doesn't matter what you do, continue to ignore it.
00:15:23:10 – 00:15:42:01
Amanda
What made you go into the practical? And I'm curious why you call these practical forms of astrology vocation, medical, electional. What makes something a practical form of astrology versus a not practical form of astrology? Well, it's.
00:15:42:01 – 00:16:07:01
Judith
Probably the wrong word because psychological astrology and, you know, counseling someone who's distraught. Those are practical. Two. Yeah. What I'm meaning is things that are on the three dimensional Earth plane, like, tangible, more oriented, like, what career would you be good at? Right. Where is my lost dog? Right. I found a lost dog for some of the other day.
00:16:07:01 – 00:16:38:20
Judith
Using horary very, very accurately. Yes. What, what product should I produce to make money? Should I go to Europe or medical astrology? Or can you help me pick a safe surgery date? And this is boots on the ground. Practical. These take exceptional skill. The psychological use of astrology for self understanding. The evolutionary use of astrology for self understanding and understanding.
00:16:38:20 – 00:16:56:14
Judith
Or perhaps your dharma and life, your karma. These are extremely important and very practical. But I need a word that's different from practical. You know, that deal with, food, health, surgery date. Oh, fertility. Yeah.
00:16:56:16 – 00:17:00:16
Amanda
Well, maybe it's, physical. Like, these are more like physical.
00:17:00:21 – 00:17:01:20
Judith
Surgical.
00:17:01:22 – 00:17:05:00
Amanda
Because you got third dimension, like, I don't know.
00:17:05:02 – 00:17:29:02
Judith
There's actually less intuition involved. It's extremely specific. I like you can say, oh, my goodness, you'd make a wonderful perfume perfumer. Oh. You look like you just be a wonderful pilot or two. And this is very specific astrology that can be borne out in practice. And you can prove things with it.
00:17:29:04 – 00:17:35:17
Amanda
And how did you how did you gravitate in this direction or why did you gravitate? Well.
00:17:35:19 – 00:17:58:18
Judith
I was raised with very blue collar folk, and my father was never out of his overalls, and he could do anything with his hands. He was a printer. He could do electricity, the plumbing. He could actually darn his socks and bake bread. And all the women were the same way. And but nobody was teaching me any skills. I was sort of running wild.
00:17:58:20 – 00:18:26:08
Judith
And I wanted, really wanted to learn skills so badly. But, you know, being a girl, I was just sort of neglected. And everybody's just doing all these wonderful things. And, but I don't know how to do astrology. So I thought, well, I want to know. I want to be a skilled person. I want to be really useful. So I started to realize that I found this this one book called Vocational Astrology and another old book called, you know, electional and one on medical.
00:18:26:08 – 00:18:55:06
Judith
And I realized, oh, I can become a very highly skilled, all purpose astrologer and I'm going to work towards this because it's what I have. It's what I have. My father's greatest goal for me was that I'd be a house cleaner. That's what he wanted me to do. He thought it would be a wonderful career for me. And, so I knew that, I, you know, and I was on my own pretty much pretty much half by 14 and then followed by 17 out of my own.
00:18:55:08 – 00:19:16:23
Judith
I knew I was going to have to, you know, make a living. And so I, I thought, well, I oh, other there's another reason, Amanda, is when you know how, when you look at a chart, most people seem to see psychological implications or they that your mother did I never don't I rarely do I, I will see what the person is good for.
00:19:17:00 – 00:19:40:02
Judith
Wow. She's her career one and she's something going on in their body. It's just how my mind works. And so, you know, I can do the spiritual, psychological, well trained and answering spiritual, deep spiritual questions. You had to study for that. But when I looked at it, charts like, oh, oh, this guy's, he likes he's a sailor.
00:19:40:04 – 00:20:00:15
Judith
Wine, women and song. And, you know, in fact, they tested me once. They brought me, I was pulled into a room. There was a very, very famous psychologist, and this person had me come to see if I could prove astrology worked on past lives. And so she had a room filled with people. When I got there, I was really surprised.
00:20:00:15 – 00:20:23:16
Judith
And they drew all the blinds and and they put it, this big metaphysical bookstore. And so, she put her, her, chart on the wall and I said, oh, burn is a which is in the past life. And everybody went silent because they'd been working on her issue of being burned as a past and as a witch in the past life for two weeks.
00:20:23:18 – 00:20:50:23
Judith
So the next guy, I said, oh, the sailor drunken sailor, wine Woman and song, that was his they'd been working on for two weeks. Then a third person came up and I said, oh, a nun or a monk. And that was hers, that they had to find it. Now, this to me was, you know, a very good use of a practical, specific use of astrology combined with intuition.
00:20:51:00 – 00:21:04:15
Judith
As we're dealing with these people think their past lives were, their audience still thinks that's very silly, but it's based on the principle of what your chart is dominant in is what we did before.
00:21:04:17 – 00:21:36:14
Amanda
Right? Right. Okay. Wow. Fascinating. And okay, so one of the things that we've we've featured you I know you do vocational astrology, you do electional astrology. One of the things that you do extraordinarily well, that not as many astrologers do is medical astrology. Is your expertise there. And so I would love if you could just share from your perspective what medical astrology is good for can be used for.
00:21:36:16 – 00:21:38:19
Amanda
And then we can go to a couple other questions about that.
00:21:38:19 – 00:22:10:06
Judith
Yes. And I have to say that I'm always very careful to have, my clients sign up a complete waiver describing what I can and cannot do legally and if possible, to work under the knowledge and auspices of their doctor. Now, medical astrology is very, very old. It's one of the very first uses of astrology ever. And it, can be used, to help people with surgery dates to look for dates that are very dangerous.
00:22:10:06 – 00:22:36:23
Judith
Like, don't let that person out of the hospital right now. It can be used to ascertain the natural weaknesses in the body that can be strengthened. I've worked with several doctors on mysterious cases, and it was usually the medical astrology that, you know, they call me back. Well, five doctors didn't. Couldn't pick it out, but the medical astrology saw it, and and it's true.
00:22:36:23 – 00:23:09:01
Judith
We've we've tried that and it's now okay. You know, so it can show blueprint of the body behind the body. It's very useful in mental health. There's a great many, psychologists now using some version, it can be used for the selection harvest and also the, crafting of herbal remedies and the time a remedy should be given all aspects of herbal medicine.
00:23:09:03 – 00:23:34:10
Judith
And on November 11th through 15th, we're having the Herbal and Medical Astrology Summit over at my school, nine world class speakers. And they're all going to speak on the conflation of herbalism and medical astrology. And, Melissa is our director. She's pretty much producing this, but she has a really wonderful, affordable price on this. It's available now. So, I hope I'll see.
00:23:34:11 – 00:23:59:02
Judith
To see. It was I used to put on the Renaissance medicine conferences, and it was a conflation of herbalism and medical astrology. So this is the Renaissance Medicine conference back online. A little different name. But same. Oh, gosh, you can do so much with medical astrology. Oh, fertility. I have my big joke. Said it many times. I am the father of many.
00:23:59:04 – 00:24:01:21
Judith
Awesome.
00:24:01:23 – 00:24:03:07
Amanda
I love that I.
00:24:03:07 – 00:24:30:07
Judith
Have gotten so many women pregnant who could not get pregnant very quickly. Often. There's that, there's, oh, you name it. The other thing they used medical astrology for was in Renaissance times, they had a much, much wider palette of etiologies, which means causes for disease. So one of them was called end astral or astrological cause.
00:24:30:09 – 00:25:01:01
Judith
So of 13. Oh, constipation was big for them. So they had these like 13. I counted 13 separate etiologies, astrology being one, but they would use astrology to tell which of the other ones, and they would make a clear distinction between supernatural health problems and natural health problems. So astrology can tell if the clause is supernatural or natural.
00:25:01:03 – 00:25:02:00
Judith
00:25:02:02 – 00:25:16:15
Amanda
Nice perience with you, which I won't go into too much detail, but someone very close to me was going through some health challenges and I went with him to many different specialists.
00:25:16:17 – 00:25:18:09
Judith
Who were all.
00:25:18:11 – 00:25:55:13
Amanda
Trying to find the answer for what was going on with him. All kinds of advanced medical technologies, all kinds of, you know, degrees and lots of white coats. Right? You seemed to have a technology that was superior to all of them because you were able to see the interconnect activity of the issue, whereas these doctors were all looking at very specific body parts or symptoms.
00:25:55:15 – 00:26:31:21
Amanda
You were able to pull together a tab stream of things that was happening in his body that were all contributing to the major symptom he was experiencing. So to me, I was just like, oh my gosh, astrology. Almost like helps me with this medical astrology, especially when when, practiced by a very skilled professional can can see what the modern technology was unable to see and then from that place be able to prescribe things that the modern medicine couldn't because it didn't have the same level of visibility.
00:26:31:23 – 00:27:03:18
Amanda
So, I mean, that experience, a very personal experience of that of the power of astrology and how it could it confirmed so many things that he was already feeling intuitively. But again, not one doctor asked questions about some of these seemingly very, not connected things, like, for example, something happening in the tooth, something happening in the ankles, something happening in the back of the spine, all impacting the heart.
00:27:03:20 – 00:27:13:15
Amanda
Right? So all these things, it's just so fascinating to experience. It just it made me appreciate astrology and medical astrology and you even more.
00:27:13:17 – 00:27:43:12
Judith
Oh well, you know, you know, it's funny you say that because, I, I've always say that, our modern, our modern doctors, they have Cat scans, they have X-ray machines, they have MRI, right. They can't yet see into the pattern behind the body. Yes, medical astrology can. Right. And so there are many doctors, and I have a little tiny book, called, medical astrology for Health practitioners.
00:27:43:14 – 00:28:06:08
Judith
And in the book, I have quotes from four different doctors who have practiced medical astrology and doctor oh, Davidson's my favorite. And he says he has these beautiful quotes, but he says it's unbelievable. You can see so much in the twinkling of an eye. And I still remember the case where this woman had been to a number of doctors.
00:28:06:08 – 00:28:25:23
Judith
She was very, very ill. Nothing could be found. And I just pulled out the chart. And within one, the twinkling of an eye, it showed a inflamed spinal cord and something wrong in the pituitary area. So I said, well, you know, she had everything's fine just working with the doctor. I'm very careful. I do not pretend to be a doctor.
00:28:25:23 – 00:28:45:04
Judith
So she went to the doctor. She called me back. She says, you know, you're right. Having a spinal cord. And I have empty shell syndrome, meaning the space around the pituitary is to enlarge or empty. And I mean, nobody thought of that. She'd been to all kinds of people. And this has happened a number of times, and I.
00:28:45:04 – 00:28:55:05
Judith
I'm not doing readings much at all anymore, teaching, teaching full time. But I say, you know, please, hundreds of people do not contact me, but I do.
00:28:55:07 – 00:28:57:22
Amanda
That's why I hesitate to even say so I.
00:28:58:01 – 00:29:17:10
Judith
Do I do have people I can refer people to. Yes, yes, I'm I'm working six days a week now and I'm putting on some major events, including some you don't have. But we also take time. We, we spend hours and hours studying a case. Our present a medical system. You might get 15 minutes, right? Yes, yes.
00:29:17:12 – 00:29:21:17
Amanda
What is your future dream for medical astrology.
00:29:21:19 – 00:29:49:14
Judith
Oh, Amanda. Oh, it's the same. It's what I call Cornell's dream. Now, I was a doctor who had wanted to abandon his practice to teach medical astrology. And he made a huge. He made the medical medical Encyclopedia of astrology. It's just as good as any medical encyclopedia. And it's getting a little old now, but it's very good. And, my dream is his that every hospital should have a, side room.
00:29:49:16 – 00:30:23:17
Judith
The astrology, branch, helping was setting surgery dates, making sure people are not released too early. Helping with mysterious cases. Also, you can design protocols, for just like they do an innovative based on the body type temperament of each individual. Not everybody should have a heart medicine. Not everybody should have a cold medicine. This is the ancient thinking, helping with fertility, helping with mental health.
00:30:23:19 – 00:30:56:11
Judith
Many, many things. Astrology can really get into psychological departments. Jung got a lot of his discoveries right out of astrology. And he said something like, you know, an hour with the chart is equal to 19 sessions on the couch. And, you know, you when you have a mysterious psychological problems or a child is behaving oddly, you can get a lot of information from.
00:30:56:13 – 00:31:00:16
Amanda
What do you think it takes to become a master astrologer?
00:31:00:18 – 00:31:39:16
Judith
You know, I so go to the questions. Well, first of all, you have to be kind of have a temperament for it, and you need to a lot of experience, like, you know, 20, 30 years of doing charts every day. And watching people not just on the phone, not seeing their face, seeing how they affect, you know, seeing your clients, reading widely, having, a wide knowledge of many adjacent subjects, like, like, you know, face reading, medicine, whatever field you're in.
00:31:39:18 – 00:32:05:22
Judith
Palmistry is a good one to know. Just because you look at the hands and that come to you. But psychology, astronomy, anthropology, people's religions, knowing all of every knowing about people, what they think and do is why does education, as you could get I always say, you know, for young people, learn as much about astrology as you can.
00:32:05:22 – 00:32:34:22
Judith
So the other, you know, for being a master study the beginnings, your Renaissance astrology or ancient Greek astrology. Get your get your roots before you go diving off into the, you know, everything don't mix and match yet. You just get, you know, pick a type of astrology. You get real good at it before you start mixing east and west all together, you'll get confused.
00:32:34:24 – 00:32:58:21
Judith
So depth and breadth and developing both sides of your brain equally. There'll be it. Half of the astrologers are going to be the logical types, you know, they're working off the left brain and the other half for your intuitive types. They're working off feeling psychic intuition, the heart. And they both work. But it's real good if you have both.
00:32:58:23 – 00:33:20:13
Judith
And then, if you're going to be doing readings, well, you need to learn. Number one, do not give 4 or 5 hour readings. Keep it to an hour, hour and a half so you don't get drained. That's just the main problem of my students. I gave them three hours y, you know, you usually doesn't need that much.
00:33:20:17 – 00:33:47:07
Judith
And then learn to, build your forces back up between readings. Know your limits, know how to protect your field, and a business piece of advice get paid in advance. If you do not, half of your clients will not pay you or they will forget their wallets, or they'll not show up for the reading, or they'll play. They'll play with your time should be very, very good with your policies and rules.
00:33:47:09 – 00:34:21:23
Judith
The clients like that. The client wants to know that you're professional, that you have good boundaries. If they come to your office, have a pleasant neutral, not scary office. I always went, I found the best color on the table. The tablecloth was green, followed by blue. These were uplifting. They weren't scary. They didn't say occult. I do not have any particular religious symbols of any kind in the office.
00:34:22:00 – 00:34:50:11
Judith
If you're serving all manner of people. Everything I had not. And natural, calming things. Calming music. People want a chair where they feel protected and comfortable, and they actually they're like, you know, like, you know, small children want you to put down a boundary. Clients want to know when they sit down, how much time they have with you, and then you will need to tell them when that time is up, because if you don't, you will be there for three hours.
00:34:50:13 – 00:35:14:18
Judith
Because people love their meetings. They do. You need a little skill and what readings not to take, what you can handle. Every young astrologer runs into a problem at some point. Person is a certain psychological problem is above your head. Don't take it, you refer them to a psychologist. Do not scare your client. We do not scare your client.
00:35:14:20 – 00:35:34:02
Judith
So learn to know what you should just not say. Other times you look at the person. Now if a person's a real good tough Scorpio, they want to hear the news. They want it honest. They want they can take it. You know how many years do I have to live? I've got cancer, you know they can take it.
00:35:34:04 – 00:35:56:11
Judith
The very nervous, frenetic person. You do not tell them something. In fact, you generally don't predict death. Only in very rare situations. I've had people call, they say I, they told me I have a month or two. I have to get my affairs in order. Or grandma, I had a I had a family call me once. They said, grandma is dying.
00:35:56:13 – 00:36:20:20
Judith
We have a lot we're doing. Does she have two weeks? Does she have two months? I said, she looks like she's about a week. You better get out there. And they did. And she died. And they got there just in time for. There are a few times when you can. It seems like it's not a bad idea to to enter that field, but for a very unskilled young astrologer, I would say, don't go there.
00:36:20:22 – 00:36:42:00
Judith
Have to develop wisdom. Wisdom often doesn't come until at least 40 or 50. Often really dawns about 60. You guys have something to look forward to. Yeah. If you're doing good work in life and keeping alert you get wiser and wiser. You so you know there's a lot a lot to know in this field. It's not child's play.
00:36:42:02 – 00:36:55:03
Amanda
What do you think the, the essential ingredients are for for someone to have a future in astrology and, and even maybe like medical astrology specifically.
00:36:55:05 – 00:37:40:03
Judith
For medical astrology, the ingredients. Well, first you have to have a pretty good mind, you know, be able to be sharp to, to investigate things if you're a good investigator. I love it when my students have been mechanics. I feel like it when they've been cooks or, or musicians because they know how to combine energies. Well, so good investigative mind and somewhat obsessive mind, if you don't mind sitting and studying a chart for four hours and you love mysteries and puzzles, that you're my kind of gal, you know, for a student, you know, you need to have, for medical, you need to know your natal and transit astrology pretty
00:37:40:03 – 00:38:06:23
Judith
well, and but one doesn't have to be, you know, a great astrologer to take up medical astrology because it's very mechanical. Ability to work alone. Because you spend a lot of your time alone working on cases. Pretty good common touch with people, you know, so that you have to, like helping people. If you're in this just for money, don't go here.
00:38:07:00 – 00:38:14:10
Judith
You have to like helping people, and you have to have a good ability to work with strangers. Like some comfortable.
00:38:14:16 – 00:38:36:03
Amanda
Judith. We all know I don't think it's a it's a mystery that the astrology of 2025 and 2026 looks pretty. A lot of things happening, right? What are you doing, personally? To be prepared for the type of energy that is coming our way?
00:38:36:05 – 00:39:04:09
Judith
Well, we have personal and we have, I mean, psychological, and then we have physical. So I encourage everybody to have enough, you know, water, food, emergency supplies. These are coming in more and more handy. Don't get caught without you might need a tent and a raft as well, depending on where you are. I had stored water, a water purifier, you know, get this together.
00:39:04:11 – 00:39:39:22
Judith
Just basic supplies for earthquakes and floods. I think it's important to keep, a wall phone handy, if you can. And even a backup generator for your computer. Things like that. For your pre modem. But, then the psychological. We're all being increasingly buffeted with difficult news in the world, with the atmosphere of what's going on in the world with this force is of millions and people watching terrible things on their phones and computers all day.
00:39:39:24 – 00:40:09:01
Judith
Is that wasn't the case 20 years ago. The thought atmosphere was much different, much easier outside. So to make yourself a little sanctuary where you can get away from it, make your home a place of peace. Don't listen to the news while you're eating your dinner. Listen to beautiful music. Be polite, you know. Think of how to keep yourself sane.
00:40:09:03 – 00:40:34:05
Judith
So get enough exercise, get enough sleep. But we all need more quiet. So, take an easy Sabbath off once a week. Just turn off the phones, turn off the computers. Go for a walk, have an old school day. I try to do that twice a week. I have an old school day run. Keeps me sane. Amanda, I made it.
00:40:34:07 – 00:41:00:15
Judith
Yeah. Where I go, I actually do hug trees. I talk to them too. Nothing silly about it. They do hear me. But I get out, I look at the clouds, I laugh on the earth. Get your feet on the earth. Yeah, get the earth. If you live in an apartment, especially even if you can get a plant or a turtle.
00:41:00:17 – 00:41:11:23
Judith
Yeah. To do it, you can. To make yourself a sanctuary and a little place of peace that you can escape. That isn't an alcohol or isn't while you're sleeping.
00:41:12:00 – 00:41:15:01
Amanda
Right. Or watching Netflix all day.
00:41:15:03 – 00:41:38:02
Judith
Right? Yeah. And all the ads have become so terribly loud and shocking. Just, you know, in my day, way back in the day, you could actually go to sleep with the TV on because they'd have, you know, symphonies on the ads and they'd have symphonies behind children's cartoons like Tweety Bird. They didn't have this constant crashing and screaming and yelling and electric guitar scramble.
00:41:38:04 – 00:41:45:01
Judith
Why they're doing this, whoever they is, I don't know, but it's not good for any.
00:41:45:03 – 00:41:59:09
Amanda
If there was one thing that you could say to our audience, our community of astrology lovers, astrology students from astrology professionals, what would you want to say to them?
00:41:59:11 – 00:42:37:13
Judith
Oh. I will leave you with the words of Edgar Casey, the great psychic, when he was asked, is it good to study astrology? And his quote almost verbatim is it is very, very, very good to study astrology, provided you study it a right way. And the view. And here I have to paraphrase in the view that your will is to be stronger than the planets.
00:42:37:15 – 00:42:59:14
Judith
You don't become a slave to them. If you have a bad day, you figure out what you can do about those energies if they're affecting your mood. You know, there's I experiment with this a lot. And so that's where, you know, you learn to, as some have more control over your yourself. So he was the greatest medical psychic ever lived.
00:42:59:16 – 00:43:21:16
Judith
And he said very, very, very good. That was his quote. But he said that that it does not control you. You control it. You know, now world events are different. We can't control that big storm coming. But actually we could if we worked as a giant group, you know. Yeah. Yeah. That said that too, in and that has actually been proven.
00:43:21:18 – 00:43:43:19
Judith
I was studies done with, Farish at the times of, sunspot activity. And sure enough, when he said prayers would reduce the sunspots, which caused war, they know that, they they scientists know this fire. Sunspots make for more war on Earth. They know this. And he said large groups of people praying would reduce the sunspots.
00:43:43:21 – 00:44:09:18
Judith
So Burl Payne, the physicist who I knew he had the center for Peace Research, he would organize hundreds of thousands of people to pray at peak sunspot activities, and he would monitor as the sunspots went down. Oh, yes. Oh, yes, he died recently. I was so sad. He always wanted me to work more with him, and I always was too busy, and I.
00:44:09:18 – 00:44:10:06
Amanda
Regretted.
00:44:10:12 – 00:44:33:22
Judith
Him, but, he was a wonderful man. But this tells us something. That, yes, we can control some of these larger forces, but it's a little out of our grasp right now. So, if you have a, like, a say, if you're having, you know, you have a difficult Mars aspect, it doesn't mean you have to allow yourself to be nasty to others.
00:44:33:24 – 00:44:40:15
Judith
You know, you have some control here over things and the study of astrology will help you.
00:44:40:17 – 00:44:45:07
Amanda
Judith thank you so much. Anything else you want to say about your summit.
00:44:45:09 – 00:45:09:04
Judith
Oh yes. I just, I just hope that anybody who loves herbalism and astrology or medical astrology or herbalism will come because we're having sage, your pop, we're having Matthew Wood. We're having me, we're having Cameron Allen. You. Amanda, I've had a lot of these guests on, too. We're having Zoe Gong from, I believe, Taiwan. She's a TCM chef.
00:45:09:06 – 00:45:28:15
Judith
We're having Adriana Haley's. She's the owner of a anima mundi herbals. She's from South America. We're having several other, again, world class speakers. And we are all speaking on how herbs and medical astrology and cosmic current conflate to.
00:45:28:16 – 00:45:49:02
Amanda
Thank you so much. It is such a pleasure to share space with you, to hear your wisdom, to hear your insights that you have hard earned over the many decades of your practice of astrology. It's invaluable for us to be able to learn about your life and learn about what it takes to get to the level that you're at.
00:45:49:02 – 00:45:55:21
Amanda
And so I'm just really grateful for all your stories and your sharing and just for your dedication to this field. Really.
00:45:55:23 – 00:46:09:12
Judith
Well, thank you, Amanda. This was a wonderful opportunity to to share my experiences, and I hope it well will be an inspiration and help to the the younger generation. Absolutely.
00:46:09:12 – 00:46:10:17
Amanda
Thank you so much, Judy.