From Meltdown to Manifestation: Saturn & Neptune’s 2026 Reset with Natasha Alter

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    • 00:00 – 05:20 → Introduction – Amanda sets the stage for a must-listen show.
    • 05:20 – 07:13 → Saturn & Neptune’s Dance – What’s happening in the skies?
    • 07:13 – 12:13 → Illusions Crumble – Saturn in Pisces exposes the truth.
    • 12:13 – 19:08 → Wake-Up Call – Disillusionment, clarity, and emotional shifts.
    • 19:08 – 25:54 → Dreams vs. Reality – Letting go or finally making it happen?
    • 25:54 – 31:25 → Who Are You Becoming? Identity shifts & Aries' rebirth ahead.
    • 31:25 – 39:39 → Trust the Process – Redefining self & handling uncertainty.
    • 39:39 – 46:02 → Your Role in the Future – How individuals shape the new era.
    • 46:02 – 51:28 → Clearing the Fog – Facing illusions & finding self-awareness.
    • 51:28 – 60:12 → History in the Making – Saturn-Neptune’s global impact.
    • 60:12 – 63:31 → Final Takeaways – Trust, renewal, and personal power.

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Transcript:

 

00:00:00:07 – 00:00:22:00

Amanda

So I'm going to begin this episode with a very bold statement. And the statement is this. If you only listen to one astrology Hub podcast this year, let it be this one, because what you're going to learn and hear in this episode is going to give you the awareness.

 

00:00:22:02 – 00:00:23:18

Amanda

To choose the.

 

00:00:23:18 – 00:00:52:23

Amanda

Way that you show up for this incredibly potent transitional period of time that we are living through between now and February of 2026. So with us today, we have the brilliant Natasha Alter, the woman who gave me my first reading now about 13 years ago, the one that blew open my world and has now become what I lovingly call my fairy godmother.

 

00:00:53:00 – 00:01:21:18

Amanda

She's here on the podcast to talk about the dance that Saturn and Neptune are doing between this final critical degree of Pisces 29 degrees and zero degrees of Aries, so that the movement that they are making between Pisces and Aries this year, they hold hands and go into Aries together in February of 2026. So they're doing this little dance back and forth.

 

00:01:21:18 – 00:01:53:23

Amanda

So what does this mean? What is the signature of these movements? What might these movements be revealing to you? What blind spots could they be illuminating for you? Why might you feel some disillusionment? Why might you feel confusion? Or a bit of loss of identity? Also, what are the opportunities? What is possible now that has never been possible before?

 

00:01:54:00 – 00:02:25:18

Amanda

And how can you use this information to really set yourself up for success in 2026 and beyond? One of the things Natasha says at the end of this episode has stayed with me for the weeks between when we recorded it and when we're releasing it to you, and that is that. The way you navigate this transitional moment is very much going to impact the way you experience the future.

 

00:02:25:20 – 00:02:50:23

Amanda

February 2026 and beyond. So this is an incredible opportunity to bring as much awareness to what is actually happening, where the pitfalls may be, and how you can really show up for it. To make this an incredible moment in time for you, an incredible moment in time in which you're going to be able to contribute to the collective story in a really positive way.

 

00:02:51:00 – 00:03:14:00

Amanda

So I'm really happy you're here for this, and I would invite you to listen to this episode several times and really marinate in the information and really absorb it. And I would love to hear your feedback. I would love to hear your comments. If you have anything you want to share with us, please do, because I want to see if this episode is as impactful for you as it has been for me.

 

00:03:14:02 – 00:03:44:10

Amanda

And if you want additional support, we are offering a live panel event. It's happening on March 18th. It's donation based or give as you wish, and it's going to be featuring five incredible astrologers including Natasha Alter, also Caitlin Castell, Gemini, Brett, Ari, Moshe, Noura, Rochelle and we're going to be having a discussion. This is going to be a community discussion about this period of time we're in because it's so big, you guys.

 

00:03:44:10 – 00:04:02:10

Amanda

It's so big. There's so many cycles converging all at once. And we really do have a lot of choice in how we want to show up for it. So you're invited to that as well. If you want to join us, go to astrology, have.com/change and we'd love to see you there. All right that's enough introduction at this point.

 

00:04:02:13 – 00:04:11:10

Amanda

Sit back, relax and let's dive in. I hope you love it.

 

00:04:11:12 – 00:04:21:13

Amanda

Welcome back to the show. You know, it is always such a gift to me and to our community to have you on this podcast. Thank you so much for being here.

 

00:04:21:15 – 00:04:28:10

Natasha

Thank you for inviting me. It's always a joy to have a conversation with you. You know.

 

00:04:28:12 – 00:04:41:15

Amanda

I know that. And this is it's funny, I was thinking, this is the way that we began, like, these deep dives into the astrology and what's happening. And I would just ask you a bazillion questions. And so here we are doing that again.

 

00:04:41:17 – 00:04:51:24

Natasha

Just that I think you had an idea like, why? Why don't we record this and this is how it started. Yes, exactly. And you said, like I think other people should hear that. Yeah.

 

00:04:51:24 – 00:04:54:12

Amanda

I think this would be really interesting for others as well. Yeah.

 

00:04:54:12 – 00:04:57:06

Natasha

Let's let's just report it. Exactly.

 

00:04:57:08 – 00:05:20:17

Amanda

Well, that's exactly what we're doing here right now. Saturn and Neptune making some big bold moves this year. Talk to us about it. What? What's happening? What is the energetic signature of the time that we're in? And. Yeah, just what do we need to be aware of?

 

00:05:20:19 – 00:05:49:11

Natasha

As we're recording it, February 19th, from now on, Saturn is going to be slowly, but not so. Not so slowly catching up with Neptune until they both ends of Aries this summer. Initial degree. And then they both are gonna return to PC and going to swim in the by sea. And then it was very energy for a little while.

 

00:05:49:11 – 00:06:04:05

Natasha

More until both of them will march towards Aries without coming back to Pisces again until the February 20th, when they actually joined together in zero decree.

 

00:06:04:07 – 00:06:05:24

Amanda

In 2020. Right.

 

00:06:06:01 – 00:06:40:18

Natasha

2026? Exactly. So right now we are in this twilight zone. We are in the zone where the energies are getting ready to exit certain field. In this case, the Piscean field and, move towards a whole new beginning. Now it is very suspicious, as many astrologers have mentioned and are talking about, that the conjunction is going to happen at zero degree.

 

00:06:40:18 – 00:07:13:15

Natasha

Aries. It's almost like a clean slate, you know, it's the very beginning of natural zodiac. It's a rebooting the system. It's restarting. It's pushing the reset button almost. So, that's why, there is a sense of entering some new reality. Now, what happens until we do that? What happens before? Because it's quite a long time between now.

 

00:07:13:17 – 00:08:13:06

Natasha

I mean, we have the rest of the year. We have an a year ahead of us of this floating in piscean realms and then tipping our toe in the fiery energy of Aries, then going back again to possibly finish up or check in with ourselves what we're leaving behind to fetch the unfinished stories to possibly because we have Saturn and Neptune let go, or, have courage to let go of certain things in our reality so that we can move ahead into a more clean pathway.

 

00:08:13:08 – 00:08:48:01

Natasha

Right. So when whenever the planets are wobbling like that and going back and forth when they're retrograde for the last time, it's an opportunity for us to review and regroup, so to speak, and get ready. Like pack our bags, you know, for our next journey. Let's just try to feel and tune in to what is Saturn? Neptune and Pisces can possibly feel like and mean for all of us, collectively and personally.

 

00:08:48:03 – 00:09:21:17

Natasha

Let's just break it down a little bit. So we've got Neptune in its own sign of spacey, which is what Neptune? Pisces. Its timelessness, its eternity, its infinity, its unity, no boundaries. And its, the dream of of Paradise.

 

00:09:21:19 – 00:09:30:22

Amanda

Kind of like the utopian dream in Neptune's. Been in Pisces for a long time, right? When did that actually start? Was that 2012?

 

00:09:30:24 – 00:09:49:10

Natasha

Let me see here. It entered zero degrees by sea, actually, in 2011. Then it went back to Aquarius for a little while. It was a little while. And then they reentered Pisces in 2012.

 

00:09:49:12 – 00:09:56:14

Amanda

Okay, so officially, officially, we've been in this energy of Neptune in Pisces since 2012.

 

00:09:56:16 – 00:10:34:02

Natasha

Yes. Now, so that has been already present for us collectively and personally. Now, when Saturn entered the sign of policy, it kind of like brought the energy of Neptune to its focus, because wherever Saturn is, it will zoom in and try to find, give a form basically to Neptune by sea, which is formless mass. Pisces is intangible.

 

00:10:34:04 – 00:11:26:00

Natasha

Pisces is the ethereal. It's the circle. The realm is a nonphysical. Non-material is the ether. Is this spirit? So whenever it's when Saturn comes into that energy or formless mass, it will try to delineate or give form to something that is intangible. It will try to concretize right delineate, to define. It's like putting water into into glass water which represents Neptune, in glass, which has clear boundaries and container so that those are the energies behind Saturn and Neptune working together.

 

00:11:26:02 – 00:12:13:24

Natasha

Now, on here on the human level. We often refer, to Pisces as the dream role, as the, realm of, spirituality. On the negative side, it can be deception. The proneness for illusion, self-deception, deception of others. It kind of trickles down and filters through human consciousness in various forms, both highly vibrational and way denser. What we call more a negative self, defeating, principles.

 

00:12:14:01 – 00:12:50:20

Natasha

So, because I deal with clients and clients who come to me reflect the, the ongoing transits and reports and the process and experiences that I'm going through. I can say that there are different ways people respond now to Saturn. Neptune. In Pisces. And so there is one part that is going through a process of disillusionment and clear.

 

00:12:50:22 – 00:13:27:10

Natasha

In other words, we have Neptune, which is illusion. If the real dream hope or aspiration may be self-deception, possibly. So Saturn comes and in their reality it shatters whatever castle has been built in their perception in different realms of their reality, depending on what house it is going through.

 

00:13:27:12 – 00:14:08:18

Natasha

So yeah, the energy of disappointment. Is very high in the air with the with with people I am working with, which is also a healthy thing. Right. So it's a healthy it's a benign process. However, when you're in the middle of it, it feels, really helpless. It can feel a little bit helpless. There is a certain, process of of reality melting down, you know, things you thought, were real.

 

00:14:08:24 – 00:14:49:21

Natasha

All of a sudden breaking apart or disappearing. Dissolving in front of your eyes. Things you thought were true and reliable and consistent and lasting. Saturn comes all of a sudden, it, makes you understand that that was a projection. Possibly. Or that was a self deception in some way, or the reality is bringing you the experience of dissolution of that very perception.

 

00:14:49:23 – 00:15:25:12

Natasha

We have to remember that everything is an illusion ultimately, right? Neptune is the ultimate illusion and the ultimate truth as well. It is just from our vantage point, we call it what we don't see and feel through our physical senses. We call it illusion. And we need Saturn to actually be able to criticize the nothingness into something in this here, in this dimension.

 

00:15:25:14 – 00:16:02:21

Natasha

Actually, when, Neptune was discovered, Saturn was right next to it. It's almost like we needed Saturn to to to, come criticize and crystallize something that you can never see or feel. So Saturn came and boom. We are aware of the Neptune energy. So in, in, in some way we are now rediscovering our personal Neptune, just like when the oxygen was discovered with Saturn attached to it.

 

00:16:02:22 – 00:16:50:16

Natasha

We are rediscovering where we have been blind, possibly where, we have deceived ourselves or lived in a certain wishful thinking paradigm where we, went into denial. You know, Neptune, likes to go into denial because ultimately doesn't want to see the, the they need to be greedy, ugly sides. So it prefers avoidance oftentimes. And so when Saturn comes, all of a sudden there's no way to avoid Richeson brings things into your face.

 

00:16:50:18 – 00:17:31:20

Natasha

That's why the experience of disillusionment is very common with people going through or being very sensitive to this transit, especially people with the last degrees of, mutable signs. I mean, all mutable signs have been feeling it's stronger than other archetypes. But right now, from now to to the to February next year, we have like last degree, last five degrees of mutable sign will feel that kind of a meltdown more acutely.

 

00:17:31:22 – 00:18:09:08

Natasha

So, you know, it's like, well, I thought this was that. I always believed that this is what it is, or I always believe that this is the right thing. I will I thought that this is where I'm going or where everybody's going, and all of a sudden Saturn comes and gives, like this cold shower, you know, it's an experience almost of a cold shower for some people because, actually, Saturn is cold by its nature and Neptune being water, we can say it's showers.

 

00:18:09:08 – 00:19:08:15

Natasha

So it is in the can be an experience of sobering up to something in your life and collectively that we have been either avoiding to face. Or in denial of. Or we're simply, delusional. Willingly. So. Right. So that can lead to, certain sense of loss of hope, you know, on a personal level. And I want to, I want to mention and just to, let people know that you are not alone if you're going through that kind of experience, you know, loss of certain ideals that you held dear to you.

 

00:19:08:17 – 00:19:51:11

Natasha

Neptune, with Neptune, we have. I'd idealization oftentimes of reality or people almost like loss of identity possibly because if we are attached to a certain definition of who we are as a person, as a believer, as, you know, a partner, as a citizen, as, active, whatever you take, you know, all of a sudden, that attachment to that identity put under question and in some cases severely so.

 

00:19:51:13 – 00:21:03:01

Natasha

And the, you know, Saturn, Neptune. Contacts whether it's Saturn that you conjunction oppositions square, they also matters associated with certain sense of depression. You know, because this is the experience of sobering up to, so-called reality, often times can lead, you know, to emotional breakdown, which is, associated with depression and people who are having needs at least Saturn, Neptune contact, especially Saturn, Neptune squares or oppositions and conjunctions of course, will have throughout their lifetime this kind of going in and out of illusion, you know, being, having to wake up over and over again and, in order to fall back into another next chapter of idealistic pursuits, you know,

 

00:21:03:01 – 00:21:31:23

Natasha

and then Saturn comes and we have and we need to wake up and dissolve that construct. Now let's look at the other expression of that same process, which are also received from my clients. You know, who are channeling and, filtering that energy in their own way, which is can be applied to all of us collectively and individually.

 

00:21:31:23 – 00:22:20:23

Natasha

So what is, on the other hand, of the same coin, actually. So we have a dream and ideal, a spiritual pursuit, but a vision that is hard to actualize. And Neptune. So Saturn comes and with it energy of crystallization, effort, manifestation, discipline. Then all of a sudden it makes the the old, dreams possible. You know, it's all of a sudden comes to help form Saturn.

 

00:22:21:00 – 00:23:05:04

Natasha

The reality that was hard to form before. Especially when it comes to spiritual, side of, existence, especially when it comes to people who had long time have been dreaming about, manifesting something that might be difficult in their circumstances to manifest, however, that that dream lived with them for years. And so Saturn comes and helps to put it in form.

 

00:23:05:06 – 00:23:08:18

Amanda

Can people be experiencing both of these things at the same time?

 

00:23:08:20 – 00:23:24:06

Natasha

And that's what I wanted to say next. Okay. Often times more often than not than not, actually, I'm seeing that both expressions, are taking place in the same person.

 

00:23:24:08 – 00:23:50:19

Amanda

So certain aspects of their beliefs and their and their ideals, and in their perceptions are melting away. And at the same time, they're they're able to create form out of things that were really hard to create form out of before exact things, things getting aligned with their path of service, potentially, you know, something that they're wanting to contribute to.

 

00:23:50:21 – 00:24:31:19

Natasha

Very true. Team people with, for example, Saturn, Neptune going through the sixth house or the 10th house. Let's, let's let's look at it as an example of, of your profession, you know, or things you do. You always felt like you would love to offer this kind of service, but it seemed unreachable. All of a sudden Saturn comes and you lose your job, which becomes a benign and benevolent energy from the universe so you can finally step into to the dream that you had.

 

00:24:31:21 – 00:24:34:19

Amanda

There you go. So that would be a simultaneous right, because you'd probably.

 

00:24:34:19 – 00:24:35:10

Natasha

Feel.

 

00:24:35:10 – 00:24:48:01

Amanda

That initial loss, that initial disillusionment of some job that you thought you might have for a really long time. But then that very same thing is freeing you up to do the thing you've always wanted to do.

 

00:24:48:03 – 00:25:25:15

Natasha

Exactly, exactly. And that is already we are talking about reaching out to Aries Point. We are reaching out to the times when sad and then Neptune will move into Aries. Because when they are gonna move into Aries, we're gonna be asked to form some new identity. Aries. Some new definition of who we are. New definition of I am ness, whether we want it or not, whether we embrace it or not.

 

00:25:25:17 – 00:25:54:11

Natasha

You know, for a while we might be lost because Neptune is gonna create the sense of confusion. Now, who am I now? If not this, where am I going to go now? What am I going to believe now? And if not, then that. So it might take a while. During this transit ocean to reach for that unique, authentic identity.

 

00:25:54:11 – 00:25:59:02

Natasha

Aries. To step into.

 

00:25:59:04 – 00:26:21:13

Amanda

Natasha, now the Neptune in Pisces and the Saturn in Pisces. Is it because we're at like the 29th degree? We're kind of dancing over that 29th degree that that the energies you described are at a peak, like a crescendo?

 

00:26:21:15 – 00:26:24:18

Natasha

Exactly. This combination. Okay.

 

00:26:24:18 – 00:26:30:13

Amanda

Culmination. So there's a culmination of these, these all the different attributes that you've described.

 

00:26:30:13 – 00:26:31:23

Natasha

So exactly.

 

00:26:31:24 – 00:26:46:10

Amanda

And there's a there's a peak into the new potential identity that we're forming as a result of all these experiences of disillusionment and being able to concretize a dream and all these things. Correct?

 

00:26:46:10 – 00:27:24:00

Natasha

Yes, exactly. Exactly. Now, whether it happens voluntarily for us or not, that's a matter of personal choice. Knowing astrology, we can recommend, to actually embrace that process and not to hold on or have courage. Aries have guts, have goals, Aries to define and form and shape and chisel our new selves.

 

00:27:24:02 – 00:27:31:11

Amanda

So if people are experiencing confusion, disillusionment.

 

00:27:31:13 – 00:27:32:08

Natasha

 

00:27:32:10 – 00:27:43:21

Amanda

Attachment to certain ideals or outcomes, is that true too? Like they're just feeling attached to the way things are?

 

00:27:43:23 – 00:28:17:02

Natasha

Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, it's it's if we if we identify ourselves with our beliefs, with what we consider to be, the proper the, the, the right thing, you know, and all of a sudden it kind of breaks down in front of your eyes. It's a painful process. It can be a very painful process. So, how do we work with that?

 

00:28:17:04 – 00:29:06:10

Natasha

Acknowledging or seeing through the fog of what we thought was the reality might be a good introspection process, understanding that this is a natural, universal cosmic process of a meltdown and build that that is organically happening and deciding or making a free choice to ride with that, even if we don't know yet what or who we are gonna be in this new paradigm, the intent, the yes ness.

 

00:29:06:12 – 00:29:33:11

Natasha

The, sense of adventure, of new beginning of initiation is a very helpful, energy to bring into our existence. As I said in the beginning, like we are, we have to pack our bags now, and we have to see what what is not fitting in, where we are going. Like we are going to one place we call.

 

00:29:33:14 – 00:29:47:19

Natasha

It's like this jackets I have, I have to throw them away. Right? So although I don't know what the weather is going to be over there, but I surely know what is no longer going to be needed.

 

00:29:47:21 – 00:30:09:11

Amanda

When you say the courage to let go of things that are no longer needed, are those things obvious, or will they be made obvious over the period of time we're in now until we get to the actual conjunction in Aries? Or do you want to kind of like, figure it out?

 

00:30:09:13 – 00:30:11:08

Natasha

It's very individual.

 

00:30:11:10 – 00:30:12:05

Amanda

Okay.

 

00:30:12:07 – 00:30:55:04

Natasha

Very individual. You know, I see some people are lost and going through the process of, deep confusion. I see people sensing, intuiting that something needs to dissolve, and therefore their system is kind of mobilizing itself already to get ready for whatever is next. So it's not given that you're going to be willingly stepping into, this new self.

 

00:30:55:04 – 00:31:25:18

Natasha

It's not it's it's like wherever we have Neptune, things are not really obvious. Saturn is obvious. Right. So there is a dialog here between star and the Neptune. Right. And it's going to be happening for a little while. So the process of new formation is not in an instant one. It's not a clear one. You know, it's not the norm this one, but it's a process.

 

00:31:25:20 – 00:32:13:11

Natasha

You know, like zero Aries is the is is it's it's it's breaking of the egg. It's a little chicken going out to the world. It's a fresh brand new energy. So we have an opportunity to refresh our selves on a personal level. Collectively, it's going to happen. It's already happening. I mean, we already see the meltdown. We already are witnessing so many things being put on the question, so many realities that seem to be shake elbow all of a sudden, dissolving or so many truths that we believe the word unquestionable question.

 

00:32:13:14 – 00:33:02:08

Natasha

And so externally it is already manifesting itself, you know, for example, I'll give a little example from the collective experience. I am in Europe, and few days ago there was a, security, conference in Munich where European leaders have gathered together to discuss the future of European security and defense. And so, there was an American representative, a vice president, who came and gave for I what I called the cold shower of Saturn, Neptune to the audience.

 

00:33:02:10 – 00:33:45:07

Natasha

Basically sending a message that who you thought you were, who you what you thought your ideals were, are no longer true. So, the the, speaker of that conference came out to end the conference, and the tears started running down his face. He could not even finish and conclude the gathering because he was so, disappointment and so saddened by what happened.

 

00:33:45:09 – 00:34:24:01

Natasha

So this is like, almost like witnessing those tears of disillusionment and sadness is almost like an external metaphor of what many people can be personally going through. You know, it's almost like if we take Europe, Europe was marching, moving as a united family of European countries towards a certain dream, Neptune, towards a certain unity, Neptune toward a certain Paradise.

 

00:34:24:03 – 00:34:44:15

Natasha

Neptune. Yeah. Co-creating a reality that they thought was a right path. And then Saturn comes and all of a sudden, where we thought we were going might not no longer be.

 

00:34:44:17 – 00:35:04:06

Natasha

Sustainable or doable or even true or supported by reality set. So this is not to bring any kind of political discussion, but I'm just saying that there is a metaphor in all that we're witnessing externally right now.

 

00:35:04:08 – 00:35:41:21

Amanda

Okay, Natasha. Because Neptune and Pisces, this this kind of energy can be very foggy, right? It can be it can be hard to see ourselves as we're going through these kinds of energies. How do we know if, like what kind of clues, what kind of things might we be experiencing? If there are things that are falling away in our lives that we need to let go of, that are that are being dissolved for ultimately a better expression?

 

00:35:41:23 – 00:36:10:23

Amanda

And what qualities can we cultivate in ourselves, in this period of time, this twilight zone moment, this transitional period moment? What kind of qualities can we be cultivating in ourselves to put ourselves in the best position for this reset, for this renewal, for this, you know, chick coming out of the egg? What kind of like nutrients and qualities and things can we be focused on between now and then to make sure that a healthy chick emerges in Aries?

 

00:36:11:00 – 00:36:41:03

Natasha

Well, we need to, use the qualities of the archetype, this sign that this planets are. And Saturn and Neptune when we deal with Pisces. Right. You can't pinpoint Pisces. You can't define it, verbalize it, describe. You cannot say, oh, there it is. This needs to go. However, how do we work with buoyancy? We listen. Right. It's a transcendental energy ultimately.

 

00:36:41:05 – 00:37:39:13

Natasha

So we listen. We to man, we become intuitive. We develop and cultivate our intuition, our spiritual antennas. We we look for signs, you know, oh, this door is not opening. Maybe I should stop pushing it. This person is, I thought this person was this way, but they're no longer that maybe idealized them. You know, I have people look, for example, with Saturn, Neptune in the seventh house, you know, for example, being, let's say changing the perception of, your partnership.

 

00:37:39:15 – 00:38:21:23

Natasha

So the quality of deep listening and deep attunement, smelling yourself to what needs to happen, what need, where you need to go, where you don't need to go. Developing, as we're moving to Aries, we will really need more developed sense of sovereignty in who we are. Maybe less dependency on the fluctuation of external waves. Right.

 

00:38:22:00 – 00:39:09:06

Natasha

Deep understanding of who we are in this reality and in, in this life. And how do we want to manifest the beingness of other, of ours, no matter what age where, we're in, you know, no matter what chapter of life we're going through, there is an invitation for renewal. So deep self-knowledge. Because further down the road, we're going to be overwhelmed with Uranus moving into Gemini, Pluto in Aquarius, this everything is going to be like zapping and ringing the bells and accelerating.

 

00:39:09:09 – 00:39:39:02

Natasha

So to step into that new frequencies, we really need to know who we are. And have a very intimate, very close relationship with ourselves. Aries. Otherwise, it will be easy to get lost in the swarm of newness and information that is already kind of floating around, and it's overwhelming.

 

00:39:39:04 – 00:39:46:02

Amanda

So when you say we need to know who we are, earlier we said that we might feel confused about who we are, that we're actually starting.

 

00:39:46:02 – 00:39:49:14

Natasha

To be confused. It's good to be confused. Okay?

 

00:39:49:19 – 00:40:08:15

Amanda

So be okay. So that's so a clue that you're in the process of the meltdown. But kind of exactly where you need to be is if you feel a little confused about who you are, is if you feel a little bit lost about who you are, because that means there's an aspect of yourself that is melting away.

 

00:40:08:17 – 00:40:10:09

Natasha

Exactly. Yes.

 

00:40:10:11 – 00:40:18:20

Amanda

Okay. So those are those are good signs on the path that we're kind of in the right place for this.

 

00:40:18:22 – 00:40:48:07

Natasha

Right place by, by simply cosmic laws. So even the processes that I mentioned of disillusionment and disappointment are healthy ones, you know, from a bigger picture point of view, because they are leading us to, to more authenticity or to new parts, new beginnings that are unavoidably coming.

 

00:40:48:09 – 00:41:19:21

Amanda

If we find ourselves outraged or or fighting for something that was or you know, really attached to a certain vision or ideal, is this a time to hold on less tightly? Is this a time to release the grip on some of these things or not?

 

00:41:19:23 – 00:41:53:19

Natasha

You know, if if you have certain values, like we all have certain values, right? Or what's true, what's not, what's right, what's not, it is not about discarding your values or adjusting to some belief systems or paradigms and patterns and norms that you are not comfortable with. This is not about betraying yourself. For example, you are externally seeing that some whatever is happening is unjust.

 

00:41:53:22 – 00:42:35:14

Natasha

It's unfair. Okay, let's say you are disillusioned with what's going on. So movement toward Aries means taking action. And it's not about funneling your anger into the stratosphere, which is a waste of energy. Do you see something? What's going on is unjust. You want to change it? Aries. Change. Step in, Aries. Become the leader. Become the voice. Initiate something.

 

00:42:35:16 – 00:43:21:19

Natasha

Organize something. Manifest your respect. If your belief of what is true in your own, what? You see? So it's by no means, throwing the baby with a war. You know, the next thing is water. But we are not to betray ourselves. We are to figure out who are we going or want to be in the new, forming a reality both for ourselves, for our existence, and as a part of a larger whole.

 

00:43:21:21 – 00:43:59:07

Natasha

So you mentioned anger. I see a lot of anger. I'm not in the United States, but, there are echoes coming here over the ocean of a lot of anger. So taking that energy, right, the energy of this discontent and organize it in into something constructive. Yeah. Pluto is in Aquarius, and Uranus is going to be in Gemini groups, movements like mindedness, Aquarius, Uranus.

 

00:43:59:09 – 00:44:44:18

Natasha

Getting together with like minded individuals. Pioneering something. Aries. Being. Having courage. Aries. So, you know, whatever side of the manifesting reality you're on, it is the individual, choice of what you want to be in the waves, which you cannot stop. So that's what it's about. Individuals are gonna play a bigger and bigger role in what's coming.

 

00:44:44:20 – 00:45:35:15

Natasha

Although we have Pluto in Aquarius. Yes. It's societal. It's humanity as a whole. Uranus in Gemini. But the role of individual, force, presence, influence, impact is gonna grow bigger than the role, let's say government. Capricorn. Right. We have Pluto in Capricorn now, the role of the government or the role of big institutions, the role of big that is telling us how to live our lives, you know, so the role of initiatives, individual actions, individual voices, leadership.

 

00:45:35:17 – 00:46:02:18

Natasha

Especially with expanding, digital reality, you know, it's going to be more and more loud. So, you know, with movement towards Aries, with Saturn next to Pluto, it's taking responsibility for our own direction, for our own authentic reality and presence.

 

00:46:02:20 – 00:46:06:19

Amanda

Do you feel like we're in an incubation period right now?

 

00:46:06:21 – 00:46:07:21

Natasha

Yeah.

 

00:46:07:23 – 00:46:15:21

Amanda

Okay. And then you bring in the birth metaphor. Is is accurate for the period of time we're in right now.

 

00:46:16:02 – 00:47:00:03

Natasha

Absolutely. And it looks like big things are already happening. Things are changing very fast. But we haven't seen anything yet. But doing so as with any process of change, it takes time for the meltdown to take place. Right? So we are in this incubation period, and, I personally feel it. I personally feel like I don't know what is going everything is going to form into there are certain maybe intuitive clues.

 

00:47:00:05 – 00:47:47:22

Natasha

But the answers might be coming way later. So as we said, like listening now, listening, tuning in, having your senses, activated. Not rushing. Into forming yet. Anything. Although, as I said, people who respond positively to Saturn. Neptune. Conjunction in Pisces, already in the process of forming their long, dreamt pursuits, their dreams. It's already information also trust.

 

00:47:47:24 – 00:48:15:07

Amanda

Right? Only because I think you know what's happening that I'm seeing is there's so much change. And I hear what you're saying, like, this is just the beginning. And I can feel that too. But there's so much change at such an accelerated pace that what is helpful to me at this point is to really just sit back as much as I can and trust the process, trust the unfolding.

 

00:48:15:07 – 00:48:34:11

Amanda

I mean, you know me, Natasha, I like to plan, but I don't feel like I can really plan right now. You know, I don't feel like I really know what is going to happen. And so it's like there's there's more data, there's more information, there's more experience that needs to happen before we know what, what exactly to do.

 

00:48:34:13 – 00:48:53:06

Amanda

And in the meantime, trusting that it is all happening, that we're here at this moment in time for a reason that I believe we we chose to be here at this point in time. And really, it's an incredible moment to be alive. Like if you could just, like, sit back and witness what's happening, it's.

 

00:48:53:10 – 00:48:54:08

Natasha

Mind.

 

00:48:54:08 – 00:49:22:09

Amanda

Blowing. It's just like, oh my God. And like you said, these things that you never thought possible or you never even dreamt or imagined could happen are happening. I mean, and it can be both terrifying and exhilarating. And I know for the nervous system, that's why I love what you're saying about listening and being quiet and prioritizing meditation, prioritizing those times along with yourself.

 

00:49:22:11 – 00:49:42:20

Amanda

Because what I'm finding is that my nervous system can very easily get overwhelmed in this moment. And it's kind of like, you know, like information overload, change, overload, uncertainty overload. And those are the there's like, okay, just be quiet just a bit.

 

00:49:42:22 – 00:49:43:24

Natasha

Turn off some.

 

00:49:44:01 – 00:49:58:17

Amanda

Social media, turn off YouTube, turn off the podcasts. You know, I'm saying as you all are listening to a podcast, but you know what I mean. Just like turn off all the noise and get quiet and find the anchor in yourself.

 

00:49:58:19 – 00:50:37:02

Natasha

And Neptune is a sensitive energy. Yeah. I mean, it's an energy of being exposed. It's is being transparent. Pisces. There is no there are no boundaries, although Saturn brings certain boundaries, but sometimes through a painful event, so certainly not to, exhaust the nervous system is a good thing right now to, get grounded, connect to to the earth, get quiet.

 

00:50:37:04 – 00:51:28:09

Natasha

And, you know, develop the, as a practice, just like meditation. Have the courage or have the willingness to accept where you have been, deceiving yourself. Where you have been, unwillingly, consciously or unconsciously, in denial of certain parts of your reality. It takes courage. It takes, plenty of self love and self care and self respect to actually acknowledge those, blindspots.

 

00:51:28:11 – 00:51:44:04

Natasha

It's a very necessary and very healthy process. So I would definitely encourage all of us to embrace and to say, yes, show me where have I been fooling myself or others?

 

00:51:44:06 – 00:51:46:02

Amanda

Definitely takes courage.

 

00:51:46:04 – 00:51:47:14

Natasha

It takes courage.

 

00:51:47:16 – 00:52:05:14

Amanda

Right? And I love that. What you're saying there about being gentle with ourselves in that, you know, and acknowledging that it's a it's a hard thing to do for humans to, to get to that point where it's like, God, I was wrong. I was deceiving myself. I was in denial. I didn't want to see that.

 

00:52:05:16 – 00:52:42:17

Natasha

Yes, yes, there can be blame led to more. We need to avoid blame. We need to take responsibility side on for our own illusions or delusions or deceptions. Satan wants us to raise up and acknowledge and take responsibility for where we have been floating in some kind of, deceptive realm. So it takes courage and it takes a humility salon, and it takes a strong, healthy ego to get to that place.

 

00:52:42:19 – 00:53:08:00

Amanda

But it's like we're in a process around it. It's not like it's not like the Uranian, like lightning bolt of reality shift in a moment. Right? Or can it be, you know, because sometimes the signature of the energy is more like shocking. And then you orient yourself around the new reality, and sometimes it's more like a slow. Oh, it makes me think of, the way the volcanoes erupt here in Hawaii.

 

00:53:08:05 – 00:53:15:06

Amanda

It's just like the slow bubbling up and over versus the big, huge, you know, eruption. Or could it be all the above?

 

00:53:15:12 – 00:53:57:07

Natasha

It's a mix of energies. That's why, you know, sometimes during the day we have so many changes and then genetically, because there is this cocktail of different frequencies that are running through and we are way more exposed that I say with Pisces, we literally have no skin. We become, more permeable to the, external influences or to the energy fields, including the collective energy field that is, happening all around us.

 

00:53:57:09 – 00:54:09:08

Natasha

So I can be developing certain spiritual protections, certain, information hygiene is a very good practice right now.

 

00:54:09:10 – 00:54:37:07

Amanda

I like that information hygiene. That's good. You've alluded to this already, but help us understand a little bit about where we're going. So Saturn and Neptune in Aries, how is that going to feel? What are the opportunities? What are the pitfalls. Like where are we going with all this? Because we're in this transition moment and we're transitioning into something.

 

00:54:37:09 – 00:54:38:02

Natasha

Yes.

 

00:54:38:04 – 00:54:43:15

Amanda

You know what what what is the signature of Saturn and Neptune in Aries?

 

00:54:43:17 – 00:55:20:23

Natasha

Let's, let me give you an example, from mundane astrology, and then we can return to the personal, levels from that collective example. So Saturn, Neptune cycle, or especially Saturn Neptune conjunctions are studied by mundane astrology through the example of Russia, the country of Russia or Soviet Union. Because every time Saturn Neptune would contact each other, that country would change its borders literally.

 

00:55:20:23 – 00:56:02:05

Natasha

So what do we have here? Neptune? No boundaries, no borders. Borders are an illusion. Which actually it is. It's arbitrary. It's not the traditional, the reality. Right. So we have Neptune and then we have Saturn, which comes and draws the line and draws a border to something that is formless. I mean, think our planets belong to all humans, you know, but it's it's all divided into bits and pieces, like a, like the, the, the famous, blanket.

 

00:56:02:07 – 00:56:44:23

Natasha

So, in mundane astrology, if you follow the, developments and the responses of that country, in this case Russia, to the Saturn, Neptune, cycles, you will see the change of borders. Now, last time Saturn, Neptune was, together, it was 89 and it was the fall of Berlin Wall, after which the borders of that entity of USSR at that time have changed.

 

00:56:45:00 – 00:57:34:18

Natasha

Now we're approaching another Sun and Neptune conjunction where we can say almost definitely that either by the end of this year or next, sometime next year, the borders Saturn of that entity are gonna be different again. You know, that's kind of a black and white astrology. Black and white, black, black on white. So if we translate that metaphor for into our personal experience, what we are moving towards is literally creating new borders around our identity.

 

00:57:34:20 – 00:58:06:10

Natasha

You see what I mean? It's really putting out a new identity for ourselves, Aries. You know, ultimately, we are Neptune. We have no borders. We have no identity in terms of personal because we know, on the spiritual and the quantum level, everything is just one body, right? Here we come. We separate into singular beings, seemingly separate it.

 

00:58:06:12 – 00:58:28:24

Natasha

And that's what's sad, and that's sad and creates those delineations and gives form to the formless. So now we have a new wave of Saturn wanting to redefine, redraw our borders. Oh my God.

 

00:58:29:01 – 00:58:30:19

Amanda

It's so good. Natasha.

 

00:58:30:21 – 00:59:08:11

Natasha

You see how how, what's without so within then. And vice versa? You know, everything is a metaphor of the same process. So that is the the transition we're going through. We are going to step onto some form of new identity. Yeah. As a collective, as humanity, as individuals. And it is up to us. How do we want to draw those new borders, that new silhouette of a man, the new silhouette of Natasha?

 

00:59:08:13 – 00:59:51:19

Natasha

How is it going to look? What is it going to be? So it is a creative process. It is an exciting process. It's a process of adventure areas. Right. So looking forward for that newness is, the most kind of beneficial part or way to deal with the transition, despite all the meltdown, despite the dissolution, despite the disillusionment right there is so much new juicy opportunity being kind of like germinating there under the surface.

 

00:59:51:21 – 01:00:12:24

Amanda

I mean, can you all feel that? Like this. I love these questions. Who are you becoming? Who do you who do you want to step into? You know, what is the next iteration of yourself and I don't know about all of you. I know probably most of you have had several processes of recreating yourself throughout your lifetime. Right?

 

01:00:13:01 – 01:00:45:01

Amanda

So we've it's not like this is the first time. So having that sense of adventure, it is going to be different this time, obviously. But that sense of adventure of like, ooh hoo hoo. Do you want to become through this process? And I just think it's so amazing to have this language of astrology to help us contextualize what's happening, because I my God, I can imagine how lost I would feel without it, and just feeling like, oh my God, everything is just falling apart.

 

01:00:45:01 – 01:01:06:06

Amanda

Like and actually, I have gone through a period of my life when I didn't have astrology. And that's when you came in, Natasha, when it did feel like everything in my life was completely falling apart. But astrology gave me that. But hey, look, look what's emerging. Look what you could become on the other side of this. This is all good.

 

01:01:06:06 – 01:01:33:03

Amanda

Like this is all happening for your good. This is all encouraging you to grow. And so that's what's happening right now for all of us. Natasha, thank you for coming and bringing this awareness because it is enabling such a sense of choice right. Really enabling each individual to take this information. Go, okay, what am I going to do with this?

 

01:01:33:05 – 01:01:51:18

Amanda

What am I going to do with this opportunity? And so, just thank you, Natasha. So much wisdom, so much to really like. I mean, you say it's juicy and it's juicy. There's a lot of juiciness in everything that you just shared. So I hope that you all will just take it. Maybe listen to this a couple times.

 

01:01:51:20 – 01:01:59:07

Amanda

Really anchor in what it means for you and, yeah. Is there anything else you want to leave us with? Natasha?

 

01:01:59:09 – 01:02:35:24

Natasha

I feel, in my experience in astrology, shows that the way we come to transition will define the way we enter a new chapter. So definitely, using this transition period, transition moment contest, consciously getting all your knowledge and awareness and, intelligence working for you. And as we said, having deep trust in the process.

 

01:02:36:01 – 01:03:07:07

Amanda

Thank you. Beautiful. Perfect. Amazing. I hope this has been helpful for all of you. I hope you've enjoyed it as much as I have. Natasha, thank you for being here again. It is always, as I said in the very beginning, such a gift, such a pleasure. Thank you for your time and your generosity and your wisdom and your insights and thanks to all of you for being curious, for being here, for asking these questions, for for having this conversation with us, because you really are in this conversation with us.

 

01:03:07:09 – 01:03:30:04

Amanda

And I am so grateful that you're out there, that you're listening, that you're paying attention, that you're taking this information in and utilizing it to make this an incredible moment in your life of transition and rebirth. Take care everybody. Thank you for tuning in. Can't wait to see you on the next episode. And thank you, as always, for making astrology a part of your life.

 

01:03:30:06 – 01:03:31:10

Amanda

Take care. We'll see you soon.

 

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