Astrology Isn’t About Labels, It’s About Liberation w/ Debra Silverman
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- 00:00 – 02:22 Meet Debra Silverman
Amanda introduces Debra and her impact on the astrology world. - 02:23 – 05:09 Destined to Be an Astrologer
Debra shares how astrology first captivated her as a child. - 05:10 – 06:27 A Nontraditional Education
Her astrology journey was guided by instinct, not formal training. - 06:28 – 08:50 Saturn & Soul Purpose
Why Saturn is key to anchoring purpose and practical insight. - 10:14 – 12:01 Embracing the Quirky Parts
Astrology helped Debra see her uniqueness as a strength. - 12:02 – 13:44 Claiming the Role of Elder
Debra reflects on aging, wisdom, and lighthearted leadership. - 13:45 – 15:25 Women Leading the Way
Women are now at the forefront of astrology’s evolution. - 15:26 – 19:05 Building Conscious Workplaces
How Debra uses astrology to guide her business and team. - 19:06 – 21:45 The Psychological Edge of Astrology
Blending astrology with therapy creates deeper connection. - 21:46 – 24:36 The Future of Astrology in an AI World
Why human connection will always matter more than data. - 24:37 – 26:50 Turning on the Observer
Learning to watch ourselves with compassion and curiosity. - 26:51 – 29:12 Esoteric vs. Exoteric Astrology
Ego traits vs. soul purpose—astrology reveals the path. - 29:13 – 34:52 Find Your People
The importance of community and finding your resonance. - 44:50 – 47:02 The 13th Sign & Higher Awareness
Debra introduces a “13th sign” as a symbol for awakening.
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Well, hello, everybody, and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. We are here today for a very, very special edition of this show. I am here with a incredible woman. That's how I want to start. She's also an incredible astrologer, but just this beautiful, amazing woman that I've gotten to spend the last few days with here on Kaua'i. Deborah Silverman has been practicing astrology for over 50 years, almost 50 years, almost 50 years.
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She has taught over 8000 students the art of chart reading. She is known for her psychological approach to astrology. Her esoteric approach to astrology. And she's also, at this point officially a celebrity astrologer as well. She's given readings to people, but she traveled around the world that's sitting in the please. But also Jennifer Aniston and Indira India and a whole long list of celebrities.
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So she is at the top of this field. She also is one of the people who has done the most incredible job at putting down a bridge to people who are interested in studying and learning astrology and making it accessible, giving them the confidence they need to really just jump in and start reading charts, which, as I has interviewed hundreds and hundreds of astrologers at this point, they all say the same thing.
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The the best, quickest way to becoming a masterful astrologer is to read a lot of charts. So, Deborah, you do that. You make it so that people feel confident to sit down and start reading charts. And I think that is an incredible service. So thank you for that. Thank you. She's also the author of two books now, The Missing Element and Now I Don't Believe in Astrology, which is about to come out.
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And we're going to be talking about that here today. But because Deborah is making her astrology her podcast debut. You all know I love to get the backstory. What brought you to astrology? Why did you start doing what you do today? Let's hear the whole all the juicy details, you know. So there is this thing called Saturn. We all know Saturn is very strong in my chair and at a very young age I must be ten years old.
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It's kind of embarrassing. I was in the Detroit Free Press, in the comics section, turning the pages. I saw this, and then you could write a way to get an astrology chart like a little booklet. I was so young. This is the 60s because I'm older than I look, and I sent away, but when it came back, it was the wrong birth.
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I did them. What did I know? I was ten years old, but I saw the word astrology then, and I remember the lights coming on because I remember that I looked forward to getting that chart. Your email. Fast forward, I got the book during my teenage years called The Moon and Sun, and I knew up to this minute I know all the kids that I grew up with, the sign of the moon and where it was.
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So I had an instinctual fascination. It came very young. I never let go. I had my first reading. It's just going to make you laugh. The two things the astrologer said. My first reading was one. What city are you going to live in? Because this chart is an astrologer out of your interest, a book you're going to be famous.
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And two, you could be a prostitute because this chart has a grand, I mean, inspired Sean in the eighth house. Uranus on your red heaven. There's every indicator here that I was like, that's an astrologer or a prostitute. Gosh, that was how it started. Then I fast forward, I started getting obsessed, which I think everyone listening to this somewhere in the story got obsessed.
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Yet I had a teacher. That was another funny story. I was, at this point, 19 years old, in a car driving from Toronto to Alberta. She had been an astrologer, triple Gemini. She was an astrologer, and I'd watched her do a reading for my family and a Jewish holiday in the middle of September. This is like early 70s, and I couldn't believe it.
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And I said to her after it was over, can I learn what you did? And she said, you know, I'm driving across the country of Canada. And my dad said he'd fly someone back and then sit in the car with me. And I was like, I'll do it under one condition. Teach me what you did that night. So I sat in the car right through.
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I think I drove her crazy. I asked a million questions. I said, because I'm a Gemini. I had a little notebook and in the backseat were stacks of astrology books. This is the good old days. And she finally, the second day, she was like, can you pull a book out? I was like, no, I'm at a tree. So I just wrote down the houses and the signs and the planets, very similar to how I teach the beginner astrology.
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This is what I learned in that car. And then here's where it gets weirder that I had a dream which has been a big I have Neptune. Am I ascendant in life? Often these dream time is my indicators. I know you said the same with up to Hawaii and in the dream this little lady came pointing her finger at me that had been in my dreams for my whole child.
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And she was screaming, you've been an astrologer for lifetimes, stupid! Stop acting so dumb! And I woke up startled in bed and the next day started charging, so I never had a proper training. I hate telling everyone this because you're all trained. But I did get gift of fascination put in place at such a young age that nothing else.
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And then I did go to graduate school and got a master's of clinical psychology. But even then I went to my supervisor. You're going to love this in graduate school and said, I'd like to do a research project on chronic mental patients in astrology. And she was like, what did you just say? And she said, no, she sure starts like, oh, we're in that year.
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There's no one in the school year in graduate school. And I was like, I'm doing a research project, and I did it. And there was a correlation to the 11,000 to Uranus and all they asked for. I did a whole thing. So this was my early training. It's I always get self-conscious talking about it, because it sounds so peculiar that a little girl, if you know Deborah.
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So again, I've interviewed a lot of astrologers and I asked them this question how did you come to do this? It's a very unusual career path. XYZ yes. And so many have very mystical stories and there's been a few, not a lot, but you're one about it that it's almost like you remember. Oh, hi. Astrology. It's not that you're learning astrology.
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You're not studying astrology. You are remembering a language that, you know, somewhere very deep inside of. I think it's like when some people, little kids, are prodigies and they put them in front of which I had a client and the other day playing piano at the sweet age of like five. Yeah, men wrote that. I felt like this.
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I would have been introduced in the tribal setting at a young age. I would have been fascinated with the stars. Of course, we all have that that are watching us completely captured by these creatures. We're sitting with those stars. But the difference was I actually luckily found my way in directly by that first spot. Truthfully? Yes. Would you say that there are.
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I mean, that sounds to me like serious destiny. Totally now centered. So in my sister, when I teach in our school, the most important planet in our solar system, etc., I have a profound relationship with that. And I see it in you as well. So it's discipline that spiral through. It's, you know, hard working. Yeah. It's been able to contain and focus and being able to land the plane.
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We talked about this people. So many astrologers, we fly around, we're interested in so many different topics or so many different systems or so many different angles literally. And then my whole goal with Saturn has always been, how do I make this practical? Like, why would someone want to control reading? How do I make this useful? So when you finished the reading, something shifts and now you Saturn is the indicator.
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Tell us a little bit more about well we looked at your chart. So now Saturn Leo, look how good you are. I've been watching you for years. I need to tell the I was the first astrologer. Yes. Okay, so Deborah was the very first astrologer. Inner circle members in the inner circle of a teen. She was the very first teacher.
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January of 2017 Deborah Silverman was the first teacher because there were three primary astrologers who influenced my path right in the beginning. Natasha Alter, you all very nice thought about them. She's my first reading and then my fairy godmother as far as astrology goes, and then the Leo came. The Leo take who I love. Yes, and then you.
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So these three like entry points that were so profound. And I was telling Deborah this yesterday, there is always a soft spot in my heart for your first. The first. Right. So there was. But it's more than that because what you did is you opened up a pathway to myself, like to my soul. I mean, that is very intimate.
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It doesn't get much more intimate. No, that's what that's why I'm so in love. Astrology. I'm so in love with the opportunity to sit with someone. Yeah, and spend an hour, however long session is and have the deepest reflection and have someone finish a session and feel like I feel so seen. I know, isn't that the biggest gift?
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And isn't that we all kind of want the album? Like everybody we really need? Yes. Adults then. Okay, yeah, I wanted to call the book. Is it okay to swear? I wanted to call the book? You're fucked up and I still like you, but they wouldn't let me do it. But that's what I feel like astrology does it.
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It takes that icky part of the character that everyone has. Yeah. It's quirky things. Yeah. And it gives compassion. Yes, I have to say so I so I have been reading Deborah's book in preparation for this, and also because I want to read your book and one of the things I remember feeling icky about, especially as I was on my spiritual awakening journey, like especially in the beginning, because I would like listen to Wayne Dyer or like Deepak Chopra, say, like reading this all ambition.
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And I was like, yeah, I can't grow a 29 degree Capricorn. I was like, wait, wait, I, I don't like I don't what does that mean? And does that mean my ambition is bad and does that mean I'm wrong for like actually kind of wanting to achieve thing. So in one of the very first things that like jumps out from your book that I just let go.
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And I remember this when I started working with astrologers and they're like, you can't really see ambition. Are you kidding me? Like, that would be like the death of you, you know? But reading this and it just be like, no, your ambition is a gift. It's like the very thing you can. It's the very thing you came to do.
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Which is just for me, one of the things that astrology does, it's so beautiful and that you do that so beautiful, is you help people. It's not a one size fits all. It's not. We all need to be the same, and we're all trying to be the same role, right? It's like, no, actually be the best version of you that you could possibly be.
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And I feel like you do that in such a beautiful way in English, which is so great because we had these we have some of the jargon, the Latam jokes, we have some of the most like academic, intellectual, the intellectual brains that are just incred. I mean, you're just like, it's like intellectual acrobats, you know, like you're like, oh my God, beans of baked bread.
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And I love that there's people like you that are just breaking it down in a way that people can, and also theories and topics. So I speak in very simple terms. You that's really helpful. We need all there's no, you know. Right. Right. I want to speak to is I, as you're discovering getting to know each other again.
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Yes. We have done this a while. Yeah. That I'm quirky I love that word work. And you should personality traits which everyone does. Yeah, but what I and what I learned through astrology is, well, I have Uranus on the very top of my chart. Exactly like my son training, my mood training, my center. Uranus is my very dear friend.
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Which meant and I didn't get this when I was young, then I'm weird in the best way. That took the wrong word, but I did. I don't do things normal, as we've seen all my rituals and all my prep, but yeah, you know, and at first I thought something was to your point about the Indian bishops. Yet I thought, why can't I fit in?
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Right? Like, why don't I just why do I have to be an astrologer? Why am I in graduate school? And I'm the one that's raising hand, asking the weirdest question, right? And then I realized, well, I was built that way. And by the way, it's my gift to your point. And by the way, it's the thing that has led you to create the.
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That's right. Amazing life, this amazing rich. I mean, I've gotten to spend a couple days with Deborah and she she gave me what she calls the Deborah Silverman special. I swear, I think this place I feel like I've been walking around in the magical bubble, meeting like magical characters and just having this incredible experience. So you you following your path, embracing your quirkiness as a gift is what has led you to.
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It wasn't, is it at the sea as an elder? And that's another thing that I loved in your bio and I love and the you claim elder. Well, I'm almost 70 years old. I think that's when you get to be an elder kind of grandma ish. I don't look grandma ish, but it is a gift. But it's something that me.
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I think it's so funny that I am so much older than I look. And the elder. Typically, if I was a classical astrologer, we've been in practice for 50 years who looked a little less. Aren't we having fun? Yes, there would be a different energetic. Yeah. I'm always noticing people's reminding me of that. I'm an elder and being able to remind them because I don't take the visual.
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But on my heart of hearts, having been study so many charts and got me so comfortable being quirky, yes, my eldership has relaxed me and that is my promise to bring to this whole. My whole mission was bring the wisdom, but astrology that makes me feel so comfortable being in your skin. Oh, I cannot think of a bigger gift.
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Seriously. Like that's it. I miss the only wish I have for my children. It's the only thing that is is important to me and your career and my career and also to to facilitate for other people. So you're doing that in youth, really? The other thing that's amazing about you is we I feel I get to do what I do because of some of the things that you've done and the work that you've done to to make it more of a acceptable, practice, you know, you've brought it into I mean, you've really spearheaded a lot of the bringing it into the mainstream, I believe.
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No. Yes, yes. And I there's a lot of astrologers out there, and many of them are watching this and listening because you're studying. It is time that bring it in. Yet I started I kind of feel like I was spearheading it. Yeah, I'm breaking new ground. Yeah. And now there's a pathway. And the women that come to our school, there's mostly women.
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And I find that interesting. No man had ever been astrologers before at you're sorry, pick that up. No women have ever been astrologers before that it's in history. The past. There was no women. Ever been rabbis before 1980. Ever. You. So all the men that studied astrology that were in the temples of the king was behind the scenes, giving strategic planning for the wars, talking about feast and famine.
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Those were not women, however. Now the pendulum group, now there's women everywhere. So in our school there's pretty much 90% women. There's more men coming in. But the certification program I trained about 24 certified astrologers who are full time. And there are a man two there are a man. It's not, but it's well, so here's the thing. What I find interesting, too, Deborah.
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And we could probably unpack this so more women are studying astrology, but less women are teaching a spot on. That's interesting. So the it's like the men feel more confident. It's interesting. You step in and take on the teacher mantle. And in the women, I find it takes longer for them to feel like they can actually call themselves the teacher.
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So I think it's interesting, and I think we've made tons of headway and we're going to continue make well. And our school, the team of 30 teachers that teach in our school. So every year, twice a year in September and in January the school starts, there's only ten people in the room and you're basically studying your chart, but it's all women.
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There's one band in the school. Yeah. So it's a good thing to know this. And yeah, it's good to unpack that. The pendulum swing in the collective, as we all speak, about returning to the goddess and taking out the patriarchy. We're doing it live time, and it's a really good feeling to be content enough to be in a because it was all numbers.
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It used to be. You can imagine before the charts were push button away. Yeah, there was on a lot of a lot of me and it was one series a bit and all that. Some of it's and now women have entered into the field and I just want to say my part of my role with Cancer Midheaven, my Mars and cancer, I have moon in the sixth house of the House of Feminine Women energy.
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I notice that the women at the moment are leading the way in the name of consciousness, and the men are supporting us. Yeah, as it should be. Yes. And what a beautiful thing to see in our my universe. There's lots of women I know. All the magical characters I've met mainly have been women. And it's a do you run an all female tunneling your team?
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And I love that you're modeling for all of us, the way that we can support each other, the way that we can encourage each other without you to. Yes, I think that's so good and so neat in it. And again, my daughter's on this trip with us. And so we went to dinner the first night and we went to dinner with Deborah and her executive assistant Nicole.
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And Nicole's 30. So she's like just finishing her set of return. And after dinner, Madeline said, when I grow up, I would like to be as confident and authentically me as Nicole. And I said, when I grow up, I want to be as authentic and confidently me as Deborah on things. So it was. But what I love is that we get to model things for each other and and it's celebrate these things in each other.
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And that is another best of the story. And this is what I'm hoping about the future, because we all know we're in this radical 25, 26 and this next two years. Yeah, all the plan is shifting. Yeah. Is that there's some precedent set about what heaven on earth looks like. Yeah. What does it mean to be in a company where everyone loves to come to work?
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What does it need when we actually listen to each other? We have differing opinions because of course, we have differing opinions. And there's this level playing field. Yeah. How do we work together? And actually, you know, we do. We change people's jobs according when they're progressing in changes. Oh no big map. Use the chart in our company and say this person's perfect seat is they're the leader.
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Oh, they're working behind the scenes. Oh, they're the sales person. And it becomes very clear. And when the ship that this was happen were the era changes or the season changes, and we're tracking not only the right role to put someone in, but the seasons that they're in and the compassion one of the got it, one of our employees is just a progressive woman.
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But it's Pisces as George this this month that we were all like, oh, but but the awareness is on and permission is on when this you might, like, float off because when there's cycles that we go into, heard it and brought it to more of a creative zone is yeah here to the aquarium. We're we're communicating. We're talking, we're doing detail right now.
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It's not a good or a bad awareness. The whole game that we play that these crystals perform for us is heightening the frequency. So we're awakened up by the the use of the stars to say, of course, your camp record. I would never tell you to turn down your ambition. That's like so in materials like telling a Gemini, stop talking.
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Hey, we're shaming you for talking to or shaming your for, right? These are the things that make us hide our light, that it makes us shrink because it's like, oh God, I'm bad. I'm inherently that I'm not right. And that's the psychology in the book. Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about the with the purpose. Okay. So you are not only an astrologer but one of the gifts that you bring is this orientation around psychology.
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Yeah. And so there are a few like astrologers in the field that are also psychologists. And I feel it's the most amazing blend. Right. I know Karen. Exactly. So how do you bring in psychology and what do you think that that does to the reading, to the, you know, recipient of the reading, you know, the sun better question.
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So I'm working to understand the person in the session when I teach how to get to a reading, we do that level to you engage their conversation. So it's not just the astrologer giving all this abstract information, which we're fascinating. Yeah. And we're talking jargon. They don't get it. We're actually applying it to what happened right now. So you're having a hard time with your child or and I can see in the chart where you're having a health issue, I can see.
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So I'm using your door of what's going on in your life is the the focus of the reading. I'm also learning the practice and listening, which is a big practice as an astrologer. This is the cycle therapy. I'm a psychotherapist, so listening to how someone's talking and changing my rhythm to match their rhythm, good, because I got the chart to know.
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So now we're dancing and now the session comes intimate. And now you feel like you're in your cycle. You're in your rhythm, you're in your season. Not me doing my little Deborah Solomon so smart. Astrology. So I reduce my languages from speaking jargon, although I love it and I love being with people like you, that I could say you're 7 to 29, but I don't tell them that I keep the information and I do the therapeutic part work at the end.
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They feel so different. And that's the difference between an intellectual astrology session, which I love, and giving you all dates. We recorded all and giving you a session where at the end you feel like, why do I feel taller? Why do I feel more relaxed? How do I finally understand I'm missing hurt? I never knew in my whole life that I didn't know how to do practicality till now, and so it's practical information that's psychologically applicable, but it's all based on the chart.
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So one of the things I've been fascinating about I love this, but where I'm going, I'm on the same track step is I, I've been fascinated by recently because so many of the astrologers I'm talking to are talking about how we're in this time of very accelerated change, and we all know, I mean, that I coming on the scene and all the technological advancements in the world as we know it now is going to be vastly different in the relatively new future and near future.
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And and that is going to have an impact on our jobs, on the work that we do on the way. All everything. Right. And so one question that I've asked is, well, how is this going to impact astrology? How is this going to impact the field? This because it's going to impact everything. So I'm thinking that it will have no impact.
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It's kind of crazy. I mean, I think one thing is for sure more people will be interested that that will continue to grow. The other thing is something that Ray Merriman said, and it reminded me of what you just said. He said, astrologers who are only giving information, who are just like Kiera, here's the information that don't have that therapeutic income.
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You know, call it a coach, call it a therapist, call it, you know, that integrative where you're integrating several different fields into the way that you're applying astrology, the way that you're holding someone's hand through these phases of life, it's going to become more and more important that we do those things. Yes, that we have like quote unquote bedside manner.
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Yes, with our clients that we're really, you know, engaged with them. So I know this I hear you about this so much. People are sending me all the stuff, and I really does have the ability to receive your chart. Yeah. Go into the system, give you all the indicators. It's amazing. And the heart, that's what we're sitting in front of.
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This is the distinction. So no matter what happens in the future, how much we change and we will and all the outer planets are fire and air. We're in combustion of that is all male energy. We're going to be moving, changing, shifting. It's already happened. We're not waiting for the future. Pluto entered Aquarius and we've entered into AI and the difference is, how able am I to actually be at peace?
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This is what the book is about. There's gremlins that live inside everyone, and they truly and they say usually about your chat, they say things about you that they don't like. You're too ambitious. Then you feel self-conscious and then you're interacting. So the the challenges. Yes, you can learn that from astrology, but where's the voice of compassion? Oh that's right, that's the humans.
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We actually makes eye contact and touches you. And and this is to you in the communication style part of our school. It's on my arm. The words listen and silent have the same letters. Like these creatures are all silent in here. And to be in the presence of the trees or the mountains or the stars, there's a requirement to stop.
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I noticed that yesterday in our walk. How good you are at silence, that you meditate every day. This is kind of the book. The difference between I and us is we have compassion and we have touch and smell, and that's never going away. And I live in a way amongst these crystals. And she smells the. You know, I used to be very uncomfortable with silence.
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It's amazing to feel the difference at this point. You're good. And I was impressed. I love I mean it's just it's rich and and you're saying they're quiet, but they're not. They're communicating. They're like. And their presence in their silence is even more potent. Right? Turquoise. Even my daughter and I were talking today on the way over about the gremlins and about the ability to listen and how in order to listen, first of all, you have to be okay with quiet because you're not filling the of likely that's the art right to be okay.
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Okay with quiet and you also have to put yourself aside a little bit. That's called the observer. That's my goal. But if the observance of what astrology works, you come off planet Earth to the stars. Point of view. You look at the personality traits. Can you give compassion and a reflection to? I love that that's all my life's work is.
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Turn on the observer. Like right now you're watching a podcast where, like you stop, you lift up your observer, your awareness. That is the magic that makes this whole planet was living. Because when you're watching, that's not the ET's feel they're watching us right now going, you guys are so weird. What's this, a place? It's so strange. And then there's the healings going.
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I think I'm a little weird, but I have normal act. Normal. I don't want to bring all your weird and that desire to is the opposite. Where the observer goes and laughs and goes, you're so cute. And yes, you're you're so quiet and you talk too much and you're so wiggly and you're so still. We just observe ourselves with compassion.
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And that is really what astrology is, I think is observing ourselves with compassion and a smile and a smile, because it suddenly becomes stunning that your soul can't be are so Capricorn. I am so kind and I am so Gemini, right? Look at me, I know I love it, but it gets annoying after a while. Well, and the thing is too.
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I mean, when you get rid of me, do you think that everybody. So it does on the side. Because I feel like Leos probably always love being a Leo. Libras probably love being a Libra, I think. Sagittarius me it's no, I think secretly under the system confidence. All the fire signs they're insecure like under the system loves gremlins and they're everybody for everybody.
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And they're put in place by the unconscious minds of the therapist. Yeah, and the unconscious mind is not regulated. It's not educated. It operates with urges and fear and scary. They call it the unconscious is the ID, and Freud called it a cauldron of seething excitations, like in the unconscious lives of fear that I'm not Satan, you don't like me, and how do I look?
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And so that unconscious energy until the observer's on and you can look over into yourself to I personally with my cancer midheaven, I'm highly emotional. I told you this. Yeah. And I cry well. And I get embarrassed. I mean, that's a gremlin, but people say no, it's so beautiful when you cry. I can't regulate my gremlin to say this.
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Okay, now I've gotten better and I find something, but everybody carries some little voice. And you can ask yourself right now if there was something you could change about yourself. This is a gremlin indicator. There's some part of your personality. Just like I am. So indecisive. Yeah, it's one of my worst traits. I'm late rising and so I come to accept and what I've learned to do on my team with all the women I send you to save.
00:28:13:12 – 00:28:35:19
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And I just take in myself well, and you're surrounded by the most. The paper I light on fire on. I don't care how old they are, I can see how old the soul is. And I'm that soul that those next to me. It works. It plays my mind. Deborah, why do you think. Okay, I know we've we've come a long way in terms of stigma around astrology, but we still have it big time.
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I love what Rick Levine says. It's got bad PR, it has bad PR, and it's not the same astrology that we love. They don't they they don't like this strategy. We don't like it's dippy. It's superficial. Right? It has no meaning. Right? It's entertaining. It's a parlor trick. No one makes you feel boxed in and kind of put your limit on the one sign.
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Yeah. I mean, the reason why I didn't love being a Capricorn is because I'd read all the things about and I'm like, okay, wait, so I'm boring money hungry so I can fold and control em. I don't really want to. That's book trick astrology. Capricorn is one of the highest signs. Because they're in service to the collect the difference between esoteric and esoteric.
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I'm so glad you asked. Exoteric is all about the ego. What you just described all those personality gremlin traits. And yet after court the esoteric is the higher self a soulful urge, right? Why is Capricorn work so hard? Because they're so determined to fulfill their mission. They don't want to go home now, having done their job. Oh no.
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That was yeah ever driven. Now it's it's ego driven and it's about money in addition and prestige and bigger carries and bigger jewelry. That's a different conversation to Capricorn. I did the first 30 years. Thank you. But when the Saturn return happened in your soul kicked in. Yeah. You took the high road. And that's what the book's about.
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It distinguishes low road ego, high road soul. And this is the esoteric dream. Is that what's again? I'm going to repeat it. I loved what Pam Pam Gregory said. There's a new chromosome coming into place. Yeah, 24th crumbs. I she's a really just that I have her on an April I love I we all love. Yeah. It's an elder.
00:30:04:14 – 00:30:19:08
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Yes. And she talks about this new earth on the new heaven, which is what we are doing. What you are doing is why I'm so in love with what you're doing and why this audience is so important. They are the spearhead. They are. They're the ones saying, I'm looking out. I'm not. I'm turning on my absurd word. Right.
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I don't want to judge you. Let's go for diversity. All the weirdness is welcome right here, right? She's like all about it. I'm all about it. Because, I mean, if nothing else proves you the fact that we will perceive and experience this world uniquely, it's astrology. I mean, it's like it's built into the fabric of astrology is we're going to perceive the world in a in a unique way.
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We're going to express in many quests out of never eclipsing beauty of it. Right? That that is the richness. See how lit up we get? Yeah. They're so in love. Well, you're so in love. Anyone that does astrology is so in love with this thing. Because why? What is more interesting than taking your ego and cutting it towards your soul and fulfilling your purpose here?
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I mean, what are you doing here? So Deborah took me and my daughter Madeline. Was that cracked English. I'm sorry, mom, if it wasn't, to a labyrinth yesterday in. And many of you heard me talk about my love affair labyrinths as well. And when we were in the center of the labyrinth, we all had a moment of silence.
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And then we were talking about our moments as children when we started to question, like, wait, who am I? Like, what am I doing here? Like, what's the point of all this? It was so cute. Deborah, tell them what you told me about what your mom would say when you would be Atherton's questions. Because my son's in the eighth house and I have a lot of scorpion.
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My North node's a Scorpio, and I've always been very deep. And she would get up. Then she got mad at me in the morning before school, but we'd be sitting at the table and I'd be like. I was constantly. She was like, what are we doing here? And then finally one day she said, would you stop asking me a question and just eat your cereal?
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And I was like, that didn't help. That never did answer. I was just always clueless. Just no. Whoa. And I was the deep kid who was asking the quite the astrologer like like meaning for us being here. Yes, I knew we had it too. It totally. I was ten years old. I remember this like it was yesterday. There's like no distance between me and this memory.
00:32:27:10 – 00:32:50:12
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Just looking in my little armoire mirror and just looking deep into my eyes and asking who had me? And I got nothing back. And there was like so many no who are ever away without one. Yeah, this is such a 12th house conversation. The deepest last sign of the zodiac, where the soul is looking for the soul. Yeah.
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Where's the rest of us? We're playing play. You know, it's play games. You're a soul. Will be the soul looking for the soul. Oh, my God, I was writing things down. You said yes. Yeah. This was the sign of chemistry. We definitely have chemistry. Our charts hitting so many different spots. Yeah. And the invitation in the name of this book.
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In the name of astrology, you all know this is find your people. That's what I love about your community. You have made it safe for the people who ask these questions. Well, it was really important to me. So I've had several different journeys where I go down rabbit holes. Right. The first one would have been in like the health arena and like nutrition and how to heat our bodies.
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And, and when I got into it and I saw that everybody was fighting about who was way was right and it was like, I got so sad. I had this moment of like, this sucks. Like hearing I'm all excited to go in here and everybody's fighting it. So then to see me talking with astrology, where I'm like, all in love with this thing and it's helped me so much and it's helping me through the darkest time of my life.
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And then I, like, go behind the veil a little bit and everyone's fighting, arguing. And I went, oh God, I don't want to do that. I how about we create a space where everybody can share their perspective and it's all welcome. And the coolest thing is that everyone resonates with their teacher and that their teacher can change. You can have five, ten, 20 teachers and and it's all about resonance.
00:34:14:19 – 00:34:37:02
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So I love bringing the astrologers on and allowing all of you to feel their resonance. And you choose. You choose like, oh God, I'm vibing with Deborah. I want to go into Deborah's world and I want to learn everything about astrology from Deborah. And then, oh, I got that part. Now I want to, like, go deep dive on Taiwan.
00:34:37:02 – 00:34:52:04
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And the teacher who geology goes through it. All right. And this is why I want my audience and your audience, because I have all these students who you must continue to study. You must see what it's like about it, not to keep evolving. And this is what I want to say to my beautiful community, who I love so much.
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And I know that a lot of you get to a point where you absorbed a lot of different information. You learned from a lot of different teachers. You have so much astrological wisdom and information that you've gleaned throughout the years, and you're still unsure about how to lead a chart. And I get it like it's it's almost like we've gone into the deep end, and it's really nice to go back to the beginning.
00:35:16:19 – 00:35:37:01
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And this is what I love about what you're doing, Deborah, because you give a step by step methodology for how to actually sit down and read a chart with another human being in front of you or for yourself. We push people out of the nest in level two, so level one is a personal transfer. Even if you know astrology, which many of you do.
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Level one is not just studying astrology, it's learning about your own personal expression, the missing element, the psychology, the shadow. So as a therapist, I really designed a psychological level to at the end of level two, which some of you may not need the whole level two, but at the very end you get the sacred script. And this is what your address is sacred.
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And every one of my astrologers that are certified and all the women that teach and know how to use it, they use the script that I use it every single reading. It's just a structure for about. I'm so Taurus. It's just a structure. I repeat, is this the correct birth date we have to make sure because I had so many readings when I was young.
00:36:10:16 – 00:36:26:14
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Books. Have you had a reading before? So I know how sophisticated can I speak fluent astrology with somebody I and then the third is I'm going to look at your Saturn cycles. I'm giving away the code, but I don't care. Every seven years something happens that gives me the two of what your drama and your Paramount. That's all.
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Because at that seven year mark or something occurs that is going to activate whatever you're here to learn. So you can track the Saturn cycle to give you clues on the content of that. On God Loves. And then when I go to the rest of the reading, I can see the pattern that they got divorced every seven years, that they get the illnesses, every seven years that they change jobs every seven.
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We get clues. And then that we begin with the elements which most astrologers don't know. I make them very simple, but this is radical. I was telling you the story of the tarot, which comes for free if you get the book in the tarot deck, the very first card ready is zero. So Uranus, you jump on this plan and you're like, what am I doing here?
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No instruction manual. You don't have a clue. Bigger chart yet. You're like, how did I get my father dead? And we're I live, and that's a long surprise until you get to the first card. The number one card is the magician. And on the magicians table are the four elements. And this is where we begin. This is the beginning of our school.
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If you don't know the four elements, if you don't understand the measures that the gods are using to create this reality, can you be quiet, watered? Can you talk and communicate? Well, obviously. Can you get shit done and do the numbers and do spreadsheets and make sure you really understand how to do your taxes Earth. And then are you having fun?
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That's the fun factor is fire. And is there joy? Is there orgasms? Is there a party? Are we drinking? Are we having. These are the four elements that without focus. So this is my first book. Yes, but that's what I did in the the school. We start with noticing where your missing element is to get the system balanced.
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And then we go to Mercury where you're fixated, like when we find out where your mercury is and what degree and how it's aspected. And we go into that, so we break it down very simply. And that's the level one. It also goes into your shadow and it also goes into your life lessons. And I really do a deep dive in center, which I am in love with, center, which is our friend sphere, this hard substance, it does not give way.
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Saturn demands that you learn your lesson whether you like it or not. See that I love him. Well, you're he's like he's our our greatest ally in terms of actually accomplishing what we came here to accomplish. Yes. And he's not going to let us not is like we love about you. You're so mission driven. That's what the book reinterprets the signs.
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And that's what I did with Capricorn, the chapter. I didn't just talk about their ambition as far as the outer world so terribly right. I talked about how to minute and determined you are. So I have to say, I started reading my chapter on Capricorn and go to read their chapter and I was already tearing up, just so touched.
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Because, again, that thing that happens when we have readings and, you know, when we read something about ourselves and we're like, oh my God, how how do they know that about me? It's just that feeling, seeing and feeling seeing and through loving eyes. That's the other thing, because we can feel seeing for all the gremlin stuff, or we can feel seen for the highest expression of who we we are here to be.
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And so when people see us that way, we're pulled into it. That's right. It's like pulled out of us and lifted up and lifted. Yeah. And that's to the space like this. You guys can't see all the crystals, but why do we go to nature? Why do we stare at the stars? Why do we study at all? Frequency.
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The whole thing's frequency? Yes. Don't you think so? In this might be like. Well, yeah, duh. It was. It was kind of one of those insights that I had the other day. That may be obvious, but for me, it felt profound that when we talk about the more mature or less mature expression or the high road or the low road or the shadow or the exalted expression of any zodiac archetype, planetary archetype, it's all about frequency, right?
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So it literally is an internal job because as we elevate our own frequency, we are in the bandwidth of that higher expression. It's literally like we exalt ourselves into these higher levels of these zodiacal archetypes or the planetary archetypes. So that's why it is all about like just doing the work within ourselves to not take up, to take the high road.
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And with someone with Saturn at 29 degrees. Leo, your Saturnian expression of joy and the delight of inspiration, of getting us all excited, being on camera, you're so willing to give us your radiated high vibration. This is why we all following around him. This is why when you get to Astrology Hub, you are at the center with this love affair that's contagious to lift us up.
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Sleeve. It's just true you're doing that too. I know that, Leo. I mean, I'm here for the camera, but I secretly I have much I'm sad. Saturn and Sage. I do speak truth, but secretly I don't have the same ability with enthusiasm. I do it from work. But it's also when you get to this age, just tell the truth.
00:41:27:00 – 00:41:46:17
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We do our work. We serve with delight and as you get older, it gets a little bit tiring. And then you find people like you who you re-inspired because you're so young in the light and then I echo it, and I become the elder that says, it's okay if you're getting older. I love being the elder and the enthusiasm of Leo.
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I think it's timeless. They really do come with an extra. Like, no one says that we think of them as being this shining ego. People know you're genuinely in love. I love the Leo Leo vibe is just amazing. I love it, I love all about honestly, like they every every single sign has so much great astrology mapping out you, all of them.
00:42:08:17 – 00:42:24:16
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So much beauty. It is through. I want to be like Deborah when I grow up because actually my daughter Madeline asked me at one point because she's so wise and and she's like, mommy, what do you want to do? Like when you're like in your 60s, in the 70s, what do you want your life to be like? I was like, I want to be writing books.
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I want to be working with women. I want to be like speaking or something. I don't know, maybe documentaries like something. And then when we've been hanging out with you, I was like, basically what? Deborah? See, I mean, it's pretty much sums it up right? So this is your second book and what inspired it? I mean, I know writing a book is its huge labor of love and takes so much of so many years and whatever.
00:42:49:12 – 00:43:07:05
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What inspired you to write this particular, you know, I have this Uranus. I love that I can say that to you. So I have a rebellious nature. Yeah. I don't do things that I'm supposed to do and several different publisher that called me and said, we want you to write a book. And I was like, one more astrology book we don't need, like, I can't do one more.
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Let me tell you, Capricorns ambition. Right? So I kept saying no to them, right. And then I was talking to a friend who I adore, who's a Gemini, and she said, if I got you a ghostwriter, a woman that knows how to write with you, would you? Because I'm so codependent, let's tell the truth. I'm Libra rising. And I was like, yeah, okay, I'll meet her.
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And I felt she had four planets in Aquarius. Oh, wow. She took my whole school. Oh my gosh. She's got four planets with Chris. And the first house, Capricorn Rising. Her moons the same degree as my moon. So we had this amazing moon and Aries energetic. And I said, okay, I'll do it with her. And I said to her, here's the condition.
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It has to be fun, because what happens when you get older? Back to that conversation is the joy level has to be present and there's free will not. Because when you're younger you're compelled by ambition or shoulds or you're empowerment or what's been put in your place and you got to go clean up the karma. As you get older, there's a free will zone.
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So I did say yes. And then she told me to stop calling her my ghostwriter because I corrected every single says apparently a ghostwriter. You give it. But yeah, that didn't happen. Yeah, so I could. I have a lot of Virgo, so I need to get detailed. Right. So it came out of a desire. Where I got really excited was the psychological model.
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Like, I really wanted to share with people how important Saturn was, for example. Right. And the nature of the human condition being faulty. Like we have some design faults. We can't forgive. It's a train skill. We can't let go. We don't know what to do with that. We don't know what to do with change. I mean, I really mean in the beginning of the book, a whole list of parts of the human psyche that's not to be blamed.
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And that's the thing about astrology doesn't put you into a category and say you're allowed to be mean because you're Scorpio. Quite the opposite. It gives you the utter standing. So I wanted to write a book with understanding of those traits and that say, every Virgos meet and every Libra wants relationship and every cancer is emotional. I really wanted to introduce a higher role based on our Spelling's work.
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And so then I got super excited that once I got in, it was so I got passionate and it was simply my resistance, which I that many of you have, you know, you've got a song to write or you got a poem to write or you've got a book to write, but you're like, I'm not that good. And it's true at the beginning, the gremlin has to be addressed.
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And he having an ally, which was what my ghostwriter was. Yeah, she got so excited. And then I got so excited. And then the wave took me over. And the favorite part of the whole book is funny to say. This is the very last chapter, which is called the 13th sign. It takes you off the chart completely, and it moves into the non-dual philosophy that I'm very passionate about.
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Let's talk about it. So. So I just want to say what inspired me was spirit told me to do it. I said, no, I have a best friend. And she was like, oh no, you have to write. She's very psychic, read, trying to water. And I was like, I do. And then in came the ghost Writer. That's at sunset.
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Now. It's my friend Laurel, who I talk to every day in a sober eye. Ashley is also one of my very closest to this one's been like, she. She doesn't like being public, but she is sitting next to me to cancer, and she's been the absolute ally, and everyone needs to have one. And I always tell people, you don't have the best run, be one, boom.
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Then just start doing it. And it could be the dog, it could be the kid. It could be an old friend of yours in your mind. But everyone needs to have someone in their world who gives them the feeling that they like you no matter what. That's what inspired me. That's who got me done. And the last chapter is ready.
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When the ego is done with its story, like now, everyone has it like the dark night of the soul, or the real hair relationships that we end up with, or the death of the parent, or the death of a child where you're so severely injured that has to happen in the name of dharma. That's what the tarot cards talk about.
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There's this arrow and a wish, and that has to happen. And then at some point, if you're lucky, the observer kicks in and you start going. That story feels complete. I've cleaned it up. I've forgiven those people. I see that was my karma. I see it here in my chart. I get heavy karma, said the Grand Cross. Or I get easier, said the Grand trying.
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There's different indicators that give you clues, and then you come off the chart to a place where these crystals live that are simply quiet and a peace. Now, it's not easy to get there, but it's my favorite part of pop and love that you played on the 13th. Finding that is an old timer. You know, it's such a debate that comes up a lot, but about the 30 sign up and I brought you, I did have one different 13th sign.
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This one has no name. I just used it to make everybody go funny. That is so good. You're going to you're going to get a lot of people in while you get read that chat. My favorite chapter. So. So basically we have to go through some of these trials pits is the nature of the beast. This is the nature that that your daughter called it the Joseph Campbell's art then thought hero's journey.
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Yeah. Every human that comes down here, no one gets out of this place without harming your heartbroken, oh, no one gets out of here without really dealing with gremlins. It's how it goes down here. I wish somebody would. Told me when I was a kid, you're going to have this awful big. I got an awful beginning and I got my husband died.
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I I've had a lot of tragedy. And as I've gotten older and older and I look back, I go, wow, well designed by my higher self to put me with those characters, including my family. That, by the way, I don't have a close relationship with. I did to the Iranian independence moon and areas. And I look back at that and I'm thankful, I don't have to say have dinner with them anymore, right?
00:48:26:08 – 00:48:46:04
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Some of them. Right. And I love them. And this is the art and the arc of evolution that occurs in astrology. And every seven years, something's going to happen to give you that next little probe. And if you're and that happened to me this year, 2024, was my Saturn square. It. I thought I was like and then like it came in with the book.
00:48:46:07 – 00:49:13:10
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I was like, oh, I'm being asked to do another version. And I said, yes. Do you believe that as we navigate to important life cycle transits like our Saturn returns and our, you know, all the different these thresholds that we walk through, do you have you experienced and do you believe that the more consciousness and awareness with which we navigate each one of them, the easier it gets as we get to the later ones I do.
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There's a call. This is what astrologers are for. They give you permission to know you're going through a cycle and the two shall pass. And then all of a sudden, as the wisdom continues, I had a dream when I was a kid about this little old man sitting in a rocking chair on a I swear on a farm.
00:49:29:06 – 00:49:51:07
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I didn't grow up there, in fact. And he had seen Feast and Famine. His, you know, his whole family had gone through great wealth and great loss. I don't know, we're sitting on this rocking chair and I woke up and I just thought, I want to do that, have that much calm. Having seen Feast and Famine, it reminds me of the the movie Titanic and how there's the the people on the boat.
00:49:51:07 – 00:50:15:01
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There's some that are like taking a gun and shooting someone else to get the the few boats they have. There's some just like running around in a panic. And then there's those ones playing music or the mom like reading to her child. And that's just like her. So beautiful. That is, that is that that's evolution. So you have this.
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There's old souls. Your daughter has this. Yeah. Where you can see they're calm and their compassion and their patience, and there's young souls who are like me. They've got the Wiggles third patient, that they're judgmental, they're scared. And that's just a difference. It's not a good or bad dream that, My love always says the mangoes don't ripen at the same time on the same tree.
00:50:39:00 – 00:50:57:18
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And it's true. You have the ones that trip and they fall to the ground. You know, the ones that are perfect to eat. Everything is ripening at its own pace. And astrologically, I can look at a chart and see evolution. And one of the terms is the 29 degrees 2729 degree planets indicate for me a sophisticated expression in your sun to 29 and your Saturn's a 29.
00:50:57:23 – 00:51:21:13
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And we all know that about you, that there's such a desire from an ancient source that you really want to make a difference. And that's what's so important. Now. Everyone doesn't have that right. Not everyone's driven like you are the workaholic, but it's the only one, and that's the real. And that's what makes the strawberries so sweet. Because some of us have children who are just young beings that are adding up stuff.
00:51:21:13 – 00:51:44:23
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Children are super old things, and you meet this in your relationships. They're emotionally wise and they have the intelligence. Listening. Listening is a big clue. And Deborah, for our audience, for our community, anyone who is like, I would, I want to keep getting fluent in this language. I would love to someday give readings, or at least I want to understand it for myself and people I love.
00:51:45:01 – 00:52:05:20
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What's one piece of advice that you would give people who are starting out? I mean, maybe not brand new, but you know, they're they're wanting to progress on their path. With astrology. I would say that there's some beings like yourself, and you know who you are that have a serious relationship with astrology. It came in your studying. You're practicing and you're giving readings.
00:52:05:20 – 00:52:27:21
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And that's a category called The Ambitious Astrologer. Then there's some that then this is what Ellis Bailey talks about. Some are asked for. It's they're just they're spire. They, they want to learn. And yes, they should continue learning. But you know if the calling in our school we have three levels. Level one is just personality transformation. Personal level two is the nuts and bolts which many people in your school know.
00:52:27:23 – 00:52:47:07
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The progressions and the aspects in the all the houses and looking at the distinctions. Then we get to third level where they do a reading in front of me and we're in front of one of my trained, certified astrologers. And we watch, we give feedback and we give them the script. Do we really get the now you can go through all levels and that want to be the astrology?
00:52:47:07 – 00:53:03:09
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Yeah, but that's what I'm speaking to. You may just have that appetite. Yeah. But you also have the category, the ones that really want to make a living out of it. And you know the difference. And now not only a skill, it's a real it's like saying to me, I can not picked, I can take those little stick figures and make them look cute.
00:53:03:09 – 00:53:23:01
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I'm good at color, as you know. Libra, but I couldn't if you I'm interested in it, but I can't do it well. And so the there's a levels back to the range. There's a scale of people. And I always say to everyone just keep being interested. The biggest single ingredient that keeps me young is I'm so busy and so nosy.
00:53:23:01 – 00:53:39:09
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I'm so interested. Why do you think all these magazines? Why do you think social media is crazy? We can't have enough information to hear the stories of all the people. That's a good sign. That's a sign of a mind that's hungry. On the other hand, the 13th sign says. Now put down the phone. This is the high Priestess in the deck.
00:53:39:09 – 00:54:08:12
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She says, stop thinking for a minute, but we don't know how. Isn't it funny how we have such a lack of ability to be bored? Yes. And I think it's it's becoming an epidemic. I mean, I look at my children sometimes I'm like, you hate that damn phone because they're not bored anymore. Exactly. You. The second you're bored, you pick up the phone and now you're engaged the way that you just said, or something to be said about the 13th sign the mind and the observer being patient enough to take a breath.
00:54:08:14 – 00:54:33:14
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I love that you're bringing that in and actually giving it a label, because I feel like it's something that we can mindfully begin to weave, even if we don't feel like we're not there yet. I had a dream this books implodes would have on the world. Yeah, it would be the observer that you can look at your mom or your dad or the person that bugs you, or you can look at your own gremlins, or you can look at the politics and see if you can't bring out your observer who's neutral, not the critic.
00:54:33:20 – 00:54:58:00
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Right. Just the part that stands where it goes. Oh, she has curly hair, a gold bracelet on and she has recruited. Not an opinion, right. The neutral I would pray my prayer is that this astrology work facilitates the position of the non-judgmental voice that is fascinated with all the differences, without the emotional charge you like. Oh yeah, well, I know I'm working on.
00:54:58:00 – 00:55:14:06
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It's perfect. I let the patient who is this for? Like, who was that perfect, but is so confusing because it's called I don't believe in astrology. So of course you guys do believe are you going to buy it? And then the ones that don't believe, they're not going to buy it, because I realize it's the other day I was like, what could it tails.
00:55:14:08 – 00:55:31:17
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So it was for people that have been. So it's for you guys, people that have been studying astrology for a long time that want an updated version of the signs. There's some meditations in there. There's the access to the 13th sign, and there's deep entrance into Saturn. So that's but for the ones that don't, I really want to convert.
00:55:31:23 – 00:55:46:11
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That's why I speak. It's so simply I want to convert the people that don't believe in it. Well, I think this is a also a great book to give to the people in your life who that don't believe in it. That's right. Yeah, right. This will be a gift that's given as a gift to let people sing my funny videos on YouTube.
00:55:46:12 – 00:56:06:21
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I, I think I saw them years ago. They're on very old. They have 8 million views. And that was my entrance into my success, which was speaking astrology through acting it out. If you go to YouTube, we just put in Deborah Silverman can't because a five minute video comes up. But they went so popular because I was embodying the signs, trying to get the people that didn't believe in it, and it worked.
00:56:06:21 – 00:56:24:20
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Oh, really? Yeah. Wow, I know, I actually to this day, people will say, oh, have you seen Deborah Silverman's comedic take on the signs? And like, you have to watch it. It's so good. So that was my hope. I do want to have the converted people come to you and find out there's so many versions and come to me to come to school.
00:56:24:20 – 00:56:50:03
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They don't have to study. They will come to you and be stimulated intellectually. I my dream is honestly, why can't it be everywhere I remember? So in 2017, I came over here to Hawaii. You invited that? I like, I barely knew you and they were spiders. And you opened up your home so generous. And, I remember you said something standing over your counter kitchen countertop.
00:56:50:05 – 00:57:14:07
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You said someday astrology will be as commonplace as yoga has become. And it's just, like, 30 years behind yoga. And I went. I just said so. Yeah, true. Like, if I say downward dog, everyone goes there. We know that if I say grand trying, no one does. But yoga also used to have a similar thing. But I grew up.
00:57:14:07 – 00:57:32:10
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I was growing up when they got to some pretzels, I was like a professional dancer going, what is that right? Just like they say about astrology, right? Well, and it was associated with with India, with India. And just want, you know, one it obviously it came from that. So that's why. Yeah. Yeah. So where it's at, it's $1 billion industry and astrology is on its way up.
00:57:32:10 – 00:57:53:01
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And it's partially because of us. We're doing the job to help people realize that, yes, I'm your story. You're going to love. I did work in a school. My son wanted to go to a private school. I didn't have the funds. I went to the headmistress. This was in Vancouver, Canada, and I said, if I do the readings chart for every student in the school with the teacher, would you take my son in exchange for tuition?
00:57:53:01 – 00:58:07:12
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And she said, yes. So for a year I went into every classroom with the teacher. I had all the charts, the kids. I told the teacher, don't let Amanda and Deborah sit next to each other. All they're going to do is talk like I and I knew I put all the kids in the right guy. I taught the kids.
00:58:07:12 – 00:58:21:11
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I went into the classroom and I said, Harry Potter's assistants is here today. I'm going to teach you water, air and fire. So I put the kids all in their categories, and I turned to the water kids and go, like, your daughter, you're so gentle and you're so quiet, and it's okay. And that your kids are going, excuse me?
00:58:21:13 – 00:58:38:10
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I was like, you need to just calm down. And the little earth kids sitting up, right with their little taking notes and making sure the computers work. Yeah. I was like, yes. And you just be calm. And the smart kids, can we do recess? Can we go now? And I spoke in every classroom can imagine I did the best thing ever.
00:58:38:10 – 00:58:54:19
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Yes, I can imagine. And yes, it needs to happen. The only thing I know is one little kid raised his hand and said, I take my mom's water because we got a new house and we left the other house. She cried and we got to the new house. She cried again. I said, mom. And then the other mom said, I think my brother's spirit because he laughed so loud.
00:58:54:19 – 00:59:22:02
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My mom tells him to go in his room. Oh my God, that's so cute! I do have a I have many dreams, but one of them is to create a curriculum for children that parent like homeschooling parents. You know that that they could use. I mean, yeah, it's even stronger for me. Get this. In the high schools, the baby's born and there is a person in the place that hands in the chart and gives a mom and dad a little view.
00:59:22:07 – 00:59:46:01
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You know, it's interesting because a lot of astrologers really shy away from reading charts for babies. I wrote for 20 years for the Vancouver Parenting magazine. Yeah. So photographs of children and all kinds of articles. And I was the astrologer and I worked specifically with that. That was in my early life, I worked. What do you say to the objection that then the parents are going to kind of like put their kids in a box or like quite the opposite.
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It tells this kid, please don't make them go to a party. They're not social. And this kid, please be encouraging her to get a job at a young age. I it's not limiting. It's natural. Yeah, yeah, I love that. Okay. So if people want to get the book, I know several things. You guys, they're doing a whole book launch for this book.
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There's a live free event and I'm gonna read down. You're just going to love this. If you could. You wrote down where to go. I gave you the information because I don't remember. I need the threes retrograde. Yeah. Okay. So you can use this three words free astrology event.com. Free astrology event.com. And you'll be invited into the event.
01:00:28:22 – 01:00:48:03
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It's free. And if you want to be on the wait list for our school because it only starts twice a year. So we have a waitlist either September, January, you go to Applied Astrology, dot me and we will also drop the links for both the free live event. So tell us a little bit about the live event. What's gonna be happening?
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What do they get? It's called the chemistry of astrology where you have all these super interesting people like blue is a I don't have, you know, Blue of Earth. She's an incredibly brilliant woman. She's doing a whole set of tarot decks. Her inner author, her artist spent the last two years we're looking at their chart together. And how do they create amazing.
01:01:05:02 – 01:01:21:21
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Richard. Roger to Jim Keyes. Yes, and Zach Bush, where these giant scientists get in their minds. We're going to talk about their friendship. Oh, then call that boring? Read and her husband, who have been together for 20 years working on all things to do with their divination cards. Right. We're going to interview them and have them look at the charts.
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Understanding the chemistry of astrology represented by people who are in relationship, be it a lover, be it a partner, being a work person and watching how astrology and chemistry get along. So amazing. Yeah, my Libra rising that are ups and downs. But okay, so that's happening the first week of April. Yes. And then you're also doing a book launch where people can get gifts like you can you?
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It's pre-launch. Right. Because the book is actually appearing in that event. Yes. The gifts. So if you sign up for that event okay, that's the that's sorry, that event March 31st, April 1st, second, third and fourth and hour and a half each day when the interview of someone. Right. It also includes these gifts like the tarot book is included.
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Okay. Being able to get these interviews that I've done with kind of of people that are fascinating, I've done the bonus material. So that's all included in this book launch. Okay. And April 8th, the book comes out April 8th, so it's soon. Okay. No, this is amazing. So April 8th, the book is officially out, but you're going to sign up for the event and then you get all the like a goodie bag.
01:02:24:05 – 01:02:46:15
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Yes. All the things that you can, you can explore. And then your school though isn't open until September, right? That's right. The next cohort that you're taking isn't either September or January every year, okay. September or January every year. Okay. So support Deborah and her book. Get it open, get some for your friends. Get some for the person in your life who's like, yeah, astrology is a bunch of books.
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You know any of it. This is this is the kind of entry point that I like that can receive. I think the title is very disarming. I think it's great. I hope you're right. It's disarming. Like, it's like, well, yeah, I kind of don't either. So what's this all about? Yeah. So we're hoping. Yeah. I don't need an astrologer.
01:03:03:22 – 01:03:22:10
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Yeah, exactly. Deborah, this has been such a pleasure. So happy to have had this time with you to share this magical palace with you, a saying, and to share our common love. To lift up the frequency. Oh, my God, we need to thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for this time together. Thank you for giving us the Deborah Solomon Special.
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Being in this incredible, magical place, this magical Deborah bubble that we've been in. And I hope all of you could feel it. And I hope that you have had just as much fun as we had. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for being a part of our community. Thank you, as always, for making astrology a part of your life, and I'll catch you up on the next episode.