A New Masculine is Rising w/ John Kempf & Anthony Jensen (ft. Christopher Renstrom & Divine Harmony)
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- 00:58 – Why we need a new warrior code in today’s world
- 04:28 – The mythic roots of the masculine: Aries, Mars & the Knights of the Round Table
- 10:07 – What the masculine truly craves (and where we’ve gone off track)
- 20:28 – Reclaiming strength through stewardship, embodiment & devotion
- 39:56 – Ikigai, integrity & creating a life of meaningful service
- 42:49 – A glimpse inside the Living Yoga Retreat experience on Maui
- 54:12 – Start small: 4 powerful words to guide your transformation
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🌟 “Pain pushes until vision pulls.” – Michael Beckwith
Transcript:
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:30:16
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Stepping into a new version of the warrior is both necessary and challenging in today's world. Knights were charged with honoring women and a myth. Highest calling is to protect women so she can walk the earth unharmed. I find it so important to have some level of structure that creates clarity around what direction you're going in. Historically, through all sorts of cultures, initiation was a sacred practice.
00:00:30:18 – 00:00:53:13
Unknown
Where do you think we lost this? The pain is usually the catalyst that brings you to that point of, okay, and now I'll do whatever it takes. Purpose. That's the biggest thing that I didn't even know I needed. Are we in a point where we can allow vision to pull us into new territory? Getting outside and getting on the earth.
00:00:53:14 – 00:00:58:09
Unknown
That's an amazing place to start. Know thyself. Yeah. Deep. That is.
00:00:58:09 – 00:01:30:03
Unknown
With Saturn and Neptune moving toward their conjunction at zero degrees of Aries in 2026. We're being invited to co-create a new code for the masculine, a redefinition of the warrior archetype traditionally associated with Aries and Mars. In today's episode, we're bringing this invitation to life not just in theory, but through lived experience. If you're here for technical astrology or a detailed forecast, this isn't that kind of an episode.
00:01:30:05 – 00:01:59:12
Unknown
But if you're curious about how the current cosmic climate is asking us to reemerge in the warrior archetype, what it means to be strong, purposeful, and grounded in service, then you'll want to stick around. To explore this theme, we're doing things a little bit differently. You'll first hear from two of our teaching astrologers here at Astrology Hub, Christopher Wren strum in divine harmony, offering their perspectives on what this shift is really about astrologically.
00:01:59:14 – 00:02:24:14
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We've pulled clips from our 2025 forecast panel and a recent podcast episode to give you the astrology context behind the conversation, from the mythology of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table to Saturn's invite invitation into mature embodiment. Their insights set the stage for a much needed reflection of the evolution of the masculine or young energy.
00:02:24:14 – 00:02:45:04
Unknown
and then after we play those clips, I'm going to introduce you to two remarkable guests, John Kanth and Anthony Jensen, who are living this transformation from the inside out. They're not astrologers, but they are powerful mirrors of the archetypal shift that we're exploring. One blends yoga movement and spiritual study.
00:02:45:04 – 00:03:18:24
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The other integrates strength training with emotional wellness and nervous system regulation. Both are guiding men and women into a more conscious, embodied expression of the young principle, one rooted in discipline, devotion and deep care for the body temple. We talk about initiation, having a personal code, finding purpose, building community, and why stepping into a new version of that warrior is both necessary and challenging in today's world.
00:03:19:01 – 00:03:42:18
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Make sure you stick around until the end, because John and Anthony will be extending a very special invitation for you to join them in their living yoga retreats happening here on Maui in September of 2025 and March of 2026. These in-person retreats will offer incredible opportunities for you to tap into your own inner strength and sense of purpose and do it all.
00:03:42:18 – 00:03:49:11
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Surrounded by the gorgeous landscape of Maui and the beautiful, supportive souls who are on the same path.
00:03:49:11 – 00:04:06:07
Unknown
I would love to meet you at these retreats because I'll be contributing to them as well. You can wait until the end of the episode to learn more about them, but if you know you're interested now, go to Astrology hub.com/living Yoga to learn more and reserve your spot now.
00:04:06:09 – 00:04:09:15
Unknown
Spaces are extremely limited. We love to see you out here.
00:04:09:15 – 00:04:22:11
Unknown
if you're longing for a new story around the masculine Principle and its role in the world, if you're navigating your own rite of passage or you're supporting others with theirs, this conversation is for you.
00:04:22:11 – 00:04:28:16
Unknown
let's get into it. And begin with the clips from Christopher Wren, Astrum and Divine Harmony.
00:04:28:16 – 00:04:53:03
Unknown
Aries is a sign very much associated with men, soldiers, you know, knights. And we also have this idea of another aspect of Neptune in Aries, another mythology, so to speak. Another image to keep in mind. And what I wanted to introduce was the oath of the Knights of the Round Table.
00:04:53:05 – 00:05:28:19
Unknown
I don't know how many of you are familiar with King Arthur. He is a myth, a mythic figure from, Britain. But he's really of Wales and Celtic gets a collection of these beautiful, these extraordinary Welsh and Celtic myths that are surrounding this king who pulls a sword from the stone at a time of chaos when there is no governance, when there is no true benevolent governance in the land, and he steps forward to bring this vision of unifying people, and he unifies them through the Knights of the Round Table.
00:05:28:23 – 00:05:48:05
Unknown
But they're not policemen. They're not thugs. They are knights that are sent out on quests to go out into the world to to find themselves. And in a lot of ways, this quest for our own personal holy grail, our own connection to the mystic,
00:05:48:05 – 00:06:03:19
Unknown
the Holy Grail is the, gobbler out of wine that Christ drinks from at the Last Supper that, is given to Joseph, who is the man who, buries Christ in his tomb and Christ rises from it.
00:06:03:21 – 00:06:30:01
Unknown
And so this, this holy Grail was said to have been lost, found, lost, found. And it brings a connection to the mystic, to to God. And so this is one of the great quests that's connected to King Arthur. And that sort of mystical connection to God is something that's going to be clearly associated with Neptune. But there was this oath that the Knights of the Round Table took, and they always took it on the Pentecost.
00:06:30:03 – 00:06:51:24
Unknown
Okay, so this is early Christianity coming into pagan, Wales and Ireland and things. But but there was this oath that these knights took these, these knights had weapons, they had javelins, they had swords, they had suits of armor. They were frightening. They were intimidating. They they're often associated to our understanding of Mars. The ruler, the ruler of Aries.
00:06:52:01 – 00:07:39:09
Unknown
But the oath that these Knights of the Round Table took was first. No violence, no violence, no knight would commit murder, violence, or outrageous acts. Mercy each night was charged with the assignment of showing mercy to those who asked for it. Treason. Knights would reject treason. They would reject betrayal, honor. And this is specific, and this is coming from, the 11th century knights were charged with honoring women, with respecting women and with celebrating women, not demeaning them, not assaulting them, not treating them like, you know, chattel.
00:07:39:11 – 00:08:05:20
Unknown
But they they this holding of women and honoring of women, justice Knights were given the job of upholding justice. And to be fair to all loyalty, knights were loyal in friendship and faithful in love. Generosity, you know, instead of might, might makes right. The Mars energy was done towards being generous to the poor and those in need.
00:08:05:22 – 00:08:36:12
Unknown
Forgiveness. Knights would forgive when asked and hoped to be forgiven in turn for their own mistakes. Courtesy knights would live their lives with honor and courtesy. Help Knights would help those in distress, especially widows, orphans and gentle women and battles. Knights would not fight in battles for love or material things. Okay, so this is a different code for the manosphere.
00:08:36:12 – 00:08:45:22
Unknown
Okay? This is something that could be and should perhaps be reintroduced now to heal the wounds.
00:08:45:22 – 00:09:06:18
Unknown
Aries actually has this amazing energy of protecting the feminine and the land and the crops. You can see as an aspect of the Mother and Mother Earth. So he's protecting and guarding her. So there's a beautiful like sacred divine masculine energy to Aries that I think we need to fully reclaim.
00:09:06:20 – 00:09:44:22
Unknown
And so, you know, Saturn in Aries can be about the disciplining and mastering over this Aries archetype energy, the shadow, you know, rage, anger, conflict, dominance, but also the mastery of the higher octave of like, Sacred Protector defender, you know, the one who's willing to take a stand, the one who's willing to, act on what he knows is true or act on or from integrity, not react, but act.
00:09:44:22 – 00:10:00:18
Unknown
the Cherokee have a prophecy where it says a woman's highest calling is to lead a man to his soul and to the divine, and a man's highest calling is to protect woman so she can walk the earth unharmed.
00:10:00:20 – 00:10:07:15
Unknown
Oh my God, I so he's meant to protect her, and then she's meant to awaken the divine within.
00:10:07:15 – 00:10:35:13
Unknown
All right, so with me today, I have two young men that I adore and respect so much, and I'm so excited to introduce both of them to you and to have this conversation around actualizing the spiritual warrior and this this idea of the warrior that Christopher is talking about this night in a very different way than we've come to think of warriors and knights.
00:10:35:15 – 00:11:09:17
Unknown
And so I'm joined by two men who to me, deeply embody this path. John Kemp is a holistic fitness and wellness coach, yoga teacher, author and founder of He Gnosis Academy. He combines kinesiology, functional movement and deep spiritual study to help people reconnect with nature, embody purpose, and awaken to the divine in everyday life. He's been teaching yoga and facilitating transformative retreats around the world for over a decade, and brings a rare synthesis of discipline and devotion to everything he does.
00:11:09:19 – 00:11:38:07
Unknown
Also with John is Anthony Jensen. Anthony is a strength coach and personal trainer. He's actually my personal trainer, my God, who works at the intersection of physical vitality and emotional wellness. He specializes in integrating mental health, nervous system regulation, and nonviolent communication into strength training, helping people, feel strong not just in their bodies but in their lives.
00:11:38:09 – 00:11:59:24
Unknown
He's deeply committed to community, embodiment and walking the talk of grounded, conscious masculinity. So these two men are powerhouses, but not in the world, not in the way the world usually defines it. They're living examples of, to me, a new kind of warrior. And I'm so honored to have them here to explore these themes with us. So welcome, John.
00:11:59:24 – 00:12:29:22
Unknown
Welcome, Anthony. I'm so happy you're here. Happy to be here. Grateful to be here. All right. So let's talk about that clip from Christopher. What stood out to you the most? What was like that wow moment for you? John, let's start with you. Yeah I love the Knight's Code. I love I've been fascinated with mythology, especially like Greek mythology since I was a kid.
00:12:29:22 – 00:13:08:03
Unknown
That really resonates. And the idea of the spiritual warrior. Is it's so deeply a part of what I seek to embody, and I see it very similar to the path of mastery, where it's this, you know, this destination that you'll never reach, but it's something that you're always aspiring to and having a framework, a code of conduct, a map that helps you know what to do and what not to do.
00:13:08:08 – 00:13:43:02
Unknown
And when you're on the path and you're not on the path, I think is so valuable and actually, in the creation of my own code of conduct that I embody personally or seek to embody and share within our community, the Knights Templar Code is actually one of the codes that I used as inspiration, along with, some other great resources the Yamas and the Yamas from the yoga philosophy and the Bushido code of the samurai.
00:13:43:04 – 00:14:09:17
Unknown
You know, which comes from the east. And so, along with some inspiration of the Assyrian Code of Nine, which is a Viking code, and there's some key themes in all of these codes. And absorb what is useful, discard what is not. Add what is uniquely your own. That is what I used as inspiration to come up with my own code.
00:14:09:17 – 00:14:54:20
Unknown
And I really think it's very important to have somebody that loves structure myself. I, I find it so important to have some level of structure that creates clarity around what direction you're going in, and then that makes it easier to have boundaries around what's not in alignment with that, which leads to purposeful action. And purposeful action has meaning which creates positive change, creates impact, and so hearing him talk about how these knights came together to, you know, create a standard of living and devote themselves, commit themselves to that for the greater good of all.
00:14:54:22 – 00:15:15:09
Unknown
That's it. Like, that's that's what excites me the most. That's that's like what brings meaning to my life is, devoting to a cause that is bigger than myself. Like a quote that I love that I know you'll love, too. I've been saving this one is, are you doing it for God, or are you doing it for you?
00:15:15:11 – 00:15:51:24
Unknown
Because there's so many, especially in our space of fitness and wellness coaches and influencers and life coaches and all these experts and all of this in the industry, especially with social media and to a lot of people that are doing it for themselves, doing it for followers, doing it for money, doing it for ego and there's not a lot of spaces and people that are doing it out of a out of a true devotion to the betterment of humanity and the stewardship of the earth.
00:15:51:24 – 00:16:28:21
Unknown
Those qualities that I think are really, you know, innate in all of the ethos of a spiritual warrior throughout culture, throughout time. What do you guys, where do you think we lost this? And what do you think the impact of losing, like you said, John, structure code, like clear direction. Like devoting, dedicating yourself to something outside of yourself.
00:16:28:23 – 00:16:51:07
Unknown
What do you think the impact of that has been? The in this could be for John or Anthony. Anthony, if you want to take it, maybe you can start there. But you know, what do you see in in the young men around you, you know, in yourself, maybe even before you got on your own more clear path? What was the impact of that?
00:16:51:09 – 00:17:16:03
Unknown
Yeah, that's actually perfect. That's kind of what I wanted to share about as well. The actual kind of the larger impact, just hearing the code of conduct, from Harmony, it's like, practice. Well, it kind of comes to mind that comes to my mind. He has a wonderful series. It's called the Art of initiation, which I highly recommend anyone check out.
00:17:16:03 – 00:17:47:04
Unknown
Everyone check out. I think that's coming back to your question. I think that's where we kind of diverged and lost ourselves. In a way, lost our way is initiation. Just that alone. Like when you go through an initiation, you go through, you know, a period of trial or some sort of suffering, some sort of something that kind of.
00:17:47:05 – 00:18:17:06
Unknown
Transmute yourself into a higher understanding of how to live and what's, you know, today's initiation, when you become of age, when you're 13 or 14, 15, 16, what is it for young men and women? Right. For me it was smoking, drinking, sex and fighting. When you do those things, that's when you're a man. And how how shallow is that?
00:18:17:08 – 00:18:40:04
Unknown
Where's the sustenance from that? There's no real. You know, going into the soul with that. It's a very surface level way to say, yeah, you know, I got this high over the weekend. I got this drunk, I got this many fights I got with this many women. It's like, wow, that's a that's a sad way to look at it.
00:18:40:04 – 00:19:16:24
Unknown
And that's where a lot I mean, I would say probably majority of the world is that, you know, especially the young men out there and historically through all sorts of cultures, initiation was a sacred practice. And of I'm going to butcher what Francis Weller like his examples. But basically for for one, I forget one tribe in Africa when, young women get their cycle, they are in chaos within, like this clay dome, you know, a slot, like, obviously breathe.
00:19:16:24 – 00:19:37:05
Unknown
And they give them food and water and whatnot, but they, they literally encased themselves in a clay womb. Go back and understand and sit with this process of what's going on. And then they crack it when it's done. And then they take them to the river, bathe them, and then they return to the tribe. They're seen as women.
00:19:37:05 – 00:19:58:19
Unknown
Now, everyone knows that this is a woman. Now, the everyone respect that. And for the men there is there's a couple of different, examples, but one where basically, you know, and they start to kind of rowdy and they start to get, you know, a little edgy and that, that, that fire starts to come online a little bit more for them.
00:19:58:21 – 00:20:22:22
Unknown
They're basically cast out of the of the tribe. They're covered in ash. So whenever they are walking through the town or walking through the tribes, there is they're not supposed to be like looked at. They have a death for them to have, like a, a funeral for them, like, process this. Like what? Life is like, you know, outside of what you believe to be, you know, true and right.
00:20:22:22 – 00:20:27:10
Unknown
There's the world keeps going whether you are here or not. Right.
00:20:27:10 – 00:20:53:19
Unknown
So one of the things that Harmony brought in is that we were in this position. Now, since there is so much emphasis on the Aries archetype, to really move from the Aries or Mars energy that most people talk about, even when they talk about Mars today, it's it's war, it's violence, it's aggression, it's dominance.
00:20:53:21 – 00:21:32:15
Unknown
And to me, that just shows collectively where what we think about the masculine, that those are the attributes that in general are attributed to the more kind of young energy. And what Harmony was talking about is a higher octave of the Aries energy or the Mars energy, and bringing in the idea of Aries as the sacred protector, as the defender, even even I loved in Christopher's example when he was talking about the code.
00:21:32:15 – 00:21:56:04
Unknown
And part of it was honor, and very specifically it was about honoring the feminine, honoring women and respecting them and saying, I love, you know, harmony also brought in this idea of women. The woman's role is to lead a man to his soul, to the divine, and his role is to make sure that she can walk the earth unharmed.
00:21:56:06 – 00:22:23:24
Unknown
So what do you guys think about these things? And and, Anthony, you just pointed at the the perfect picture of what I think the initiation is for most men today. That what what you said I can drink now, I can smoke now. I can have sex, you know, I can drive. You know, those things. What's it going to take for us to get from there to there?
00:22:23:24 – 00:22:48:15
Unknown
Initiation you brought up is one thing. What are the other ways that we can actually start moving in this direction? What what happened to for you guys and what do you like, you know, what do you teach the young men, the young women that come into your sphere in terms of how we can actually start moving in this direction collectively?
00:22:48:17 – 00:23:41:21
Unknown
Yeah. That's beautiful. First thing, after hearing, you know, Harmony speak on that, talking about the land and Mother Earth and whatnot. Stewardship. First and foremost, to my to my mind, and not just of the land, of course, that is a crucial part of it. But stewardship over this, this vessel, making sure that this amazing, divinely orchestrated machine that we get to embody is clear, clean, you know, like, if it's clogged up with all sorts of substances and all sorts of chemicals and hormones, screen time, all that stuff, it's hard to it's hard to live and be and that sort of zone for a certain amount of time.
00:23:41:23 – 00:24:05:05
Unknown
And to. Yeah, to just be in your body. You literally can't even feel into it when you're so clouded up here. And that eventually will cloud this as well. So everything the whole thing gets kind of thrown up. So stewardship comes to my mind and that's what I like to actually preach to my clients. You know, like you and everyone in the gym, whoever comes in.
00:24:05:05 – 00:24:23:11
Unknown
Yeah, it's always about like, oh, how do I get bigger arms? How do I get it? But I don't get abs. That's great. But that's a good thing that, you know, keep in mind, how are you actually feeling? How is this actually feeling right now? What's your sleep like? What's the sunlight? What's your lifestyle? What are we eating like?
00:24:23:11 – 00:24:50:24
Unknown
Are we nursing or turkey? Eating real food? Not eating real food? Are we protecting our sleep? Let's cover those fundamental basics first. And then yeah, let's dive deeper into it. Let's let's sit with it. Let's meditate, let's pray. Let's get some breath going and stewarding this vessel first I think is it's, foundational without this. Then we're kind of just drifting body I love it.
00:24:51:05 – 00:25:13:24
Unknown
You know, Anthony, a lot of people have a stereotype of, like, gym bros who are just. They're like, pumping iron and getting, like, muscles because they're so vain that that's what they spend their time doing. And I love how you guys have flipped this script, really. And, and, and I have to tell all of you, I was intimidated to go to this gym.
00:25:14:01 – 00:25:45:22
Unknown
And when I walked in, it was like the energetics alone were so not what I expected. There's these. Yes, strong, strapping men and women at this gym. But there's kindness and there's like a warm embrace. There's encouragement and support, and there's a conversation happening about taking care of our bodies so we can actually be vessels. And it's like, whoa, this is not what I, what I was expecting at all.
00:25:45:24 – 00:26:07:15
Unknown
So I love that you brought that in to stewardship. But stewardship first and foremost of our physical bodies. How do you have that conversation with the young man? Is that is he just like, yeah, whatever. I mean, John, you know, when you when you bring how do you have that conversation with, with the, the 16, 17, 18, 20 year old version of you?
00:26:07:17 – 00:26:12:07
Unknown
Like what what part of him resonates with that or doesn't?
00:26:12:17 – 00:26:39:11
Unknown
What comes to my mind is the creed for what I do. Shout out to Peter Twist. He's a, internationally known strength conditioning coach. I heard him speak at a summit in 2015, perform at her summit, and it was one of those life changing moments for me. A really big one because I grew up in a very trauma, environment, traumatic environment of all kinds.
00:26:39:11 – 00:26:58:02
Unknown
It was a very rough childhood. There was a lot of abuse. There was a lot of poverty. There was a lot of, on the behaviors, I mean, you name it at a at a point in the in my mom were homeless and then we lived in a trailer and I slept on the floor in the living room.
00:26:58:02 – 00:27:30:07
Unknown
And so. The biggest thing for me, that was the catalyst on my journey, which I think is where most people come to at the point, is pain. You reach a certain level of contrast that says enough is enough. Okay, I'm ready to change all. Do you look up at the stars? You you finally confess. I'll do whatever it takes.
00:27:30:09 – 00:28:03:12
Unknown
You know, God, universe, somebody you know, like, help! What can I do? You reach that point. And that, to me, is what initiation does. That was the point is you send the boy out into the Amazon forest or wherever with a dagger and nothing and say, figure it out. And you at a point have to surrender and trust in something outside of yourself that there's there's some orchestration, there's something going on.
00:28:03:14 – 00:28:34:01
Unknown
Because that brings meaning, that brings purpose to the past, to the pain. Because for me, I remember the moment like one of my first moments of that initiation of me initiating the change is doing sit ups in the trailer, listening to Godsmack on my Walkman, and just being like, I'll never be. I'll never. If I ever have kids, I'll never give them this kind of life.
00:28:34:01 – 00:29:06:05
Unknown
I'll make sure this will never happen again. I had the the trauma stops with me. The generational bus stops with me. No more. And I get goosebumps just thinking about that of like it was you reach a point where you like enough is enough. And to quote the Upanishads, the father. Excuse me, the yoga teachers of Patanjali, the first line is essentially can be translated to now yoga begins, now your training begins.
00:29:06:07 – 00:29:46:00
Unknown
The yoga means huge to bring together, to yoked together, to bring back into relationship with, to bring into right relationship with. And this disconnect from the sacred connection from community, which Francis Weller speaks about as the two necessary components to create initiation. You need it to be sacred, and you need it to be done in community. And we've been through, larger collective, you know, design and also through intentional design and, you know, manmade design.
00:29:46:00 – 00:30:12:22
Unknown
Two disconnect us from the sacred and from community. And it's very obvious to those that are awake, but to those that aren't, you don't know until you know. And the pain is usually the catalyst that brings you to that point of, okay, and now I'll do whatever it takes, and then your journey begins. And so to bring it back around to Peter, twist the quote that he said that has stuck with me.
00:30:12:22 – 00:30:16:14
Unknown
And it's what I live to embody every day. And it's what I preach
00:30:16:14 – 00:30:47:02
Unknown
one is a leader of many. If you cannot lead one, you cannot lead any. And that is it. That is it. Are you walking the walk or not? Because plenty of people are talking. We don't need, you know, like we we had discussed slightly before of we have we have passed the age of information, the increase in the amount of information like there's the statistics around the amount of information and stimuli that someone is exposed to.
00:30:47:02 – 00:31:06:04
Unknown
Now in a day is more than someone 100 years ago were exposed to in a lifetime, the amount of stress and information and stimuli there's so much that we're being inundated with. It's not about information anymore, it's about application. It's about actually taking it back to the practices. And that's why I love
00:31:06:04 – 00:31:15:21
Unknown
traditional Zen ism and Daoism, where you've got these parables and, and proverbs that are know thyself.
00:31:15:23 – 00:31:34:09
Unknown
Yeah, deep. That is, know thyself. That is so that's all. That's books and books and books and books right there. Astrology. Yes. We know how deep that is. No, I mean, it's like it's endless. It's so vast and, you know, it's so important. Yes. The 100%.
00:31:34:09 – 00:31:41:17
Unknown
What do you think the the masculine again. And I'm talking about the masculine in both male and female.
00:31:41:17 – 00:32:13:21
Unknown
I'm not just making this about men, but what do you think the masculine really craves deeply. Like what? What is the, the the ultimate drive. You just mentioned expansion and growth. I also heard and what you said recognition. You know, there was that the looking to the pro athlete I mean the pro athlete is adored. The pro athlete is admired, is put on a pedestal, you know, so there's like a certain level of recognition for his strength, for his prowess, for his capabilities.
00:32:13:21 – 00:32:27:08
Unknown
Right. Like underneath it all, like, Anthony, you're you're a teenager and you turn towards these substances and this. What did you what were you craving underneath all of that?
00:32:27:13 – 00:33:02:14
Unknown
A great question that's perfect. And I think, purpose is what comes to mind. That's the biggest thing that I didn't even know I needed that I was looking for. And these, you know, external places and things and substances that people purpose. Something that I know that I can devote and commit myself to. And I didn't have that I for whatever reason, it wasn't right, my right time with it.
00:33:02:16 – 00:33:25:18
Unknown
So I think that that's the first thing that comes to my mind is purpose. Like, that's like when you don't have a purpose, man or woman, what are you shooting at? Right? If you don't have something to actually aim at, you know, so purpose is definitely that was the big one for me. My I would even say most of my adult life as well.
00:33:25:20 – 00:34:04:03
Unknown
I didn't have a straight, clear purpose with what I, what I wanted, what I desired. And you know, now that my beautiful baby girl was born like, oh boy, do I know what purposes. You know what I mean? And now it's just based off of that alone, making sure that she grows up in a beautiful, healthy, joyful environment with just surrounded by love that inspires me to, you know, let's let's go up a level with my own self-care, with my own way of living.
00:34:04:07 – 00:34:31:07
Unknown
Because now the purpose is, and it's fiery. And that's where, you know, wild, aimless, mindless internal fire can just harm others and in the way and just kind of take the fuel away from others. Let's refine that fire, refine that purpose so we have a clear direction on where we're going. You, John, you brought this up earlier to this idea of purpose.
00:34:31:07 – 00:34:51:09
Unknown
you vowed that you wouldn't recreate when when you have a family, you were going to do it differently. And there was some wisdom and intelligence in you that knew that that had to start with you. You know, I have to tell you, my father had a moment. Same where he was. He grew up with an abusive father.
00:34:51:11 – 00:35:10:19
Unknown
There were, you know, a lot of kids in his family. He was one of the oldest ones responsible for a bunch of things. And he made that same vow. And I just want to tell you that he absolutely succeeded, that our family is night and day. Like my experience growing up is night and day from what he experienced.
00:35:10:21 – 00:35:33:06
Unknown
And I've had a recent experience, even with my daughter, where I was sharing some of the some of the traumas that I had had growing up and some of the work that I had done on myself in order and had nothing to do with my family. It was actually more cultural. But some of the work that I had done on myself in order to, to transcend them, transmute them to heal our lineage as females.
00:35:33:08 – 00:35:52:07
Unknown
And it was this moment where she looked at me with mama, I don't have any of that. Like I don't carry any of that. And I went, oh my God, it worked like, you know, theoretically, when we're doing this work on ourselves, we're like, we're like thinking of our future children and we're thinking of, you know, future generations.
00:35:52:07 – 00:36:13:21
Unknown
We're thinking of these things. And theoretically, we know we're healing ourselves. But to have that reflected back to me like, no, it actually works like she doesn't carry this. It was like, oh my God, that's amazing. And but aside from like, your future children and your family, it's like, what? What about like, people who don't want to have kids.
00:36:13:21 – 00:36:35:10
Unknown
Like is are there other. It's I guess what I'm asking is how do we create a sense of purpose or not create just remind people of a sense of like it's already seeded in them and and maybe it is an element of timing and maybe it is an element of like kind of needing to go through a certain amount of pain.
00:36:35:12 – 00:36:40:01
Unknown
But I also think we're at a point in time where that
00:36:40:01 – 00:37:07:13
Unknown
one of my favorite quotes is from a man named Michael Beckwith. I don't know if you guys know him. Yeah. He always says in my podcast, listeners have heard me say this many times, but pain pushes until vision pulls action up. You know, then, collectively as humans, are we there yet?
00:37:07:17 – 00:37:30:14
Unknown
Like, are we at a point where we can allow vision to pull us into new territory without having to be kicked around by all the other stuff? And maybe there's some element of like, yeah, we got to be kicked around a little bit, but like, can we also have these visions that are pulling us into new directions? And, I just love to hear your thoughts on that
00:37:30:14 – 00:37:58:13
Unknown
Now we're in now locked. This this is what I believe. My I now that I've reached that point, that quote, it resonates with me so deeply. That's so true. And I believe that we are and I believe that that is there's certain people that are put here to create that experience and inspire others to reinforce and empower that belief.
00:37:58:13 – 00:38:24:04
Unknown
Because that, to me is like one of my greatest purposes of being here is to be a guiding light in that sense, to empower and inspire others. Because if I can do it, guys, if I can do it from what I can do and how much of a fool I was and how far I went down the barrel to get to where I am now, to where I'm.
00:38:24:04 – 00:38:57:00
Unknown
I'm guided fully by my vision, by my inspiration, the spirit within, the expressing into the world is absolutely a testament to anything is possible. Anyone can do it because I feel that truly that I am here as an example for people to see. You know, I love to quote, do what you love and love what you do because I think like just to your point of at once we can, you know, and it takes some work.
00:38:57:00 – 00:39:25:01
Unknown
That's the work is to get out ahead of it, to clear the fog, you know, to clean the temple so the light can shine through and the the vision can come through. But once you get that, once you connect with that, the passion is what fuels me. The passion to create that experience for myself. Because it's so fun and so exciting to create from a place of inspiration.
00:39:25:03 – 00:39:31:20
Unknown
And I have found on my journey over the last decade after going through my awakening
00:39:31:20 – 00:39:48:11
Unknown
supporting of others and helping of others. Like, I love the idea that altruism is a myth because when you help somebody else, there's actually a biochemical reaction that gets it's a little micro hit for you. So you, like you selfishly are actually getting high helping other people.
00:39:48:11 – 00:40:13:01
Unknown
And you can't not do that. You're actually getting benefit no matter what. When you help others and when you find. That's why I love ikigai, which can be translated for a reason for being. It's this Japanese concept, and it has four four pillars, four layers, four aspects. And I like to break it down as passion, skill, contribution or service.
00:40:13:03 – 00:40:40:18
Unknown
And then business, you know, reciprocity where all you have to do is start with doing what you love to do. And if you do that long enough, you're going to get good at it. Whatever you do a long time, you're going to get good at. And eventually then once you get good at it, you just figure out how to make the world or humanity better by doing that, and then you find a way to structure it to where it provides you the resources to continue to do what you love.
00:40:40:18 – 00:40:41:14
Unknown
And
00:40:41:14 – 00:41:07:04
Unknown
this is the kind of conversation we're having in the gym in between sets. And I love what you're bringing in about the body and I really do feel with this emphasis in areas that we're starting at. I mean, it is like the I am like, this is I'm here and and so much of it is about our bodies being in our bodies embodied.
00:41:07:06 – 00:41:40:14
Unknown
And so, you know, for anybody out there who's like, yes, I'm like, I like, I'm on fire. Like I want to do my mission. I want to do what I came here to do. I would love to hear from you. How many of you have experienced more and more awakening more and more expansive ness, more and more clarity on your path by prioritizing your body, by taking walks, by eating cleaner food, by getting outside and getting some sunshine.
00:41:40:14 – 00:42:07:02
Unknown
You know how? How? Because I know for me it's like essential amenities. Like it is absolutely without a doubt. No, I it's hard to say the most important thing, but but it's like it is like you said Anthony earlier, it's like the starting point. It's like the thing. It's the foundation. And I don't know if all of you can hear in their language because because our audience is probably trying to figure out your big three at least.
00:42:07:04 – 00:42:32:14
Unknown
So John is a Virgo sun. Remind me of your moon, your rising again. Cancer moon and Capricorn rising, cancer moon, Capricorn rising and then Anthony's a Capricorn sun cancer moon, Pisces rising. Right I believe so, I think John knows my chart better than I do. I'm pretty sure he hasn't been Pisces rising because. Because I'm always feeling you right.
00:42:32:19 – 00:43:01:08
Unknown
It's like Capricorn and like, heavy on water. Heavy water. Yeah, yeah, that always feels like groundedness. But then I like, feel is water too. It's like all together. But we got some earth going here between us. Okay. Speaking of community, you guys have a passion for bringing people together. And this is another thing I'm very excited to share with all of you for any, because you you've all heard me talking about come to Maui.
00:43:01:10 – 00:43:25:04
Unknown
Someday I will have an event. Someday we'll have an event. I'm literally. I think I've been saying that someday I'll have an event for, like, I don't know, seven years. So these guys are actually having retreats. They're having events out here on Maui and you're all invited. So if you guys want to tell them a little bit about the retreats, that'd be great.
00:43:25:09 – 00:43:57:13
Unknown
Yeah, absolutely. I have really found a calling for creating community, and I feel like it's twofold. The in-person events are unbeatable because of being in proximity with each other and exchanging energy and physical touch. And like, it's especially being out and some sacred places, like we do retreats in Peru, here on Maui, there's the energy of these lands being out, disconnected from the matrix, the city, the wise
00:43:57:13 – 00:44:00:12
Unknown
blue light out in the jungle.
00:44:00:12 – 00:44:44:13
Unknown
We're surrounded by nature and beauty. And that alone is so healing. Like nature is one of the greatest teachers, the greatest teacher. And so being able to bring people from environments, the concrete jungle environments, the matrix environments, and bring them out into nature is already sacred. You know, going back to Francis Weller and then bringing people together in a coherent container with structure and intention to create this initiatory process, this alchemical process of change and transformation and growth and connection is honestly, I think it's one of the most beautiful things that we can do for the time period that we're in, because we can actually come together and practice.
00:44:44:13 – 00:45:12:14
Unknown
And this is my holistic is a yoga teacher. You don't see me on on drugs talking about yoga and using Sanskrit as language, because it's going to be disconnecting with most people in modern America. But make no mistake, my mission is to instill yoga as a way of living to everyone. You know, going back to the codes of conduct of the the ways that we can live in right relation with source, with self and with each other, with all other beings in the cosmos.
00:45:12:14 – 00:45:38:08
Unknown
And so bring people together into a space where you can actually practice. What does that look like? Okay. Yeah. You say move my body every day and exercise. But like what are the actual things that I need to do to maintain optimal function of this vessel? You can actually come and practice that with us. We'll actually take you through what a workout looks like, what a work in looks like.
00:45:38:08 – 00:46:03:07
Unknown
Like what a meditation practice looks like, what a Zen practice versus a young practice looks like. And we're doing it outside, grounded in nature, skin under the sun and doing it with each other. Did you know social exercise is one of the greatest ways to elicit oxytocin in the human body? It's more so, I believe it's even more so than, like petting dogs and hugging.
00:46:03:07 – 00:46:20:17
Unknown
You can actually release more oxytocin from social exercise, and you're starting to see how, like community exercise, looking at cultures that live a long time and like, okay, this is starting to make sense. So the whole concept of what we're doing for retreats is living yoga, where you actually live in right relation and you get to come practice what that looks like.
00:46:20:17 – 00:46:42:13
Unknown
You get to eat healthy food, and we do cooking classes. So instead of just having some catered events where you're just eating different, poopoo is off the table, you actually are going to make the meal and you're going to make different ingredients from the meal with each other. And then you bring it together and you share that meal together like we have for thousands of years through the evolution of culture.
00:46:42:15 – 00:47:14:13
Unknown
And that to me and bringing in how food is spirit and to connect to the sacred aspect of food. Food is from the land. The land is what we tend, and then we pass on to future generations. And like that's really present here more so than a lot of places in Maui and certain other, you know, blue zone kind of areas where food just grows and there's a lot more, you know, connection to agriculture and the land and, and taking care of regenerative farming and biodynamic organic agriculture like it matters.
00:47:14:13 – 00:47:36:03
Unknown
It's a value. It's a priority, just like our body is. You are what you eat. You are what you drink. You are the people you engage yourself with. So all of the information from our surrounding environment we're being conscious of and that's that's yoga. So we get to come together and actually practice what that looks like and have beautiful teachers come and share in different ceremonial practices.
00:47:36:05 – 00:47:57:12
Unknown
And like a dispatch ceremony is an Indian practice where you make a sacred offering of different things from the land, different plants and fruits and nuts and seeds. And then you set intentions and you call in your team and you call in your ancestors, and you set intentions for how you want your life to unfold from that point moving forward.
00:47:57:12 – 00:48:24:02
Unknown
It's that and now yoga begins moment where it's like, okay, I'm ready. I'm ready to make change. This is who I am and who I want to be moving forward. And then the whole I think the biggest piece that is missing from a lot of retreats is following the retreat, the actual integration of first, the ecstasy that in the laundry people come and they get this really peak experience, and then they go home, back into the 3D and they're like, oh man, it was so dope.
00:48:24:02 – 00:48:51:08
Unknown
Like, and they want to go back and revisit that experience. So it's like, no, the whole game that we're playing now is actually integration, embodiment. The teachings are in the body, intuitive downloads. Infinite intelligence is coming through the soma. And if you move your body and clean your vessel, that information will move through you. And the more you practice keeping yourself clean and tuning into that information, the more you'll be able to receive it and integrate it and apply it.
00:48:51:08 – 00:49:11:23
Unknown
And then that's naturally what is the example that changes others, be the change you wish to see. So going home after the retreat, having this peak experience and having this, you know, hard time integrating, you're not in the same environment with the high vibe people. What was that recipe? What was that meditation technique? I know I'm not. I don't have the group to do it with me.
00:49:11:23 – 00:49:37:14
Unknown
Every single day. So I fall off because of work and life. We're offering 12 weeks of coaching in and on our online community afterwards, where we continue to meet weekly as a team and share experiences and have the guidance of us coaches to be able to actually walk you through and remind you and keep you accountable with the practices that we all did together here on Maui for the next 12 weeks.
00:49:37:14 – 00:50:03:18
Unknown
So you have this whole 90 day cycle this season to actually integrate after the retreat, the practices that had the greatest impact on you. And I think that is the beauty of where we are now, is we get to merge the ancient tradition and wisdom of culture and community and nature and science and innovation and technology, like the internet is mind blowing if we use it correctly.
00:50:03:18 – 00:50:11:22
Unknown
All tools, you know, fire as it was invented, the first man with fire. A lot of houses burn down, a lot of forest. A lot of people died on accident
00:50:11:22 – 00:50:23:18
Unknown
now fire has evolved to where we are now? And the same thing with like internet and social media is man, it can be a nasty, nasty spiral down into apathy and disconnection and isolation.
00:50:23:18 – 00:50:46:02
Unknown
But if we have it integrated in a conscious, intentional way that allows you to stay connected with the people that you were with in person, and we make sure that we're still meeting in person and having, you know, opportunities to connect in, in sacred containers, but then also using the tools of technology to maintain this connection and share information across the planet instantaneously.
00:50:46:02 – 00:51:15:17
Unknown
Like this podcast, we're getting the best of both worlds, and I think it's just remembering staying rooted in the oneness and and the nature and the wisdom and traditions of of old that have gotten us here while continuing to experiment and explore what we can do with the technology to, you know, integrate into what modern life is. We can it's 2025, Seattle, Washington, Chicago, like, you can't just go live in a cave and and meditate every day.
00:51:15:17 – 00:51:40:15
Unknown
We have to actually embody the practices. Live yoga in 2025. And I think that's the big that we're offering is not only to come recharge and get re-inspired and reconnected, but then actually integrate and apply that practically in your real life, because consistency. You're the mother of mastery. We need to practice, practice, practice in seven days. Don't expect to go to the gym for seven days and lose 50 pounds.
00:51:40:15 – 00:52:09:22
Unknown
You know, don't expect to, you know, practice Spanish for seven days and be fluent in Spanish. You're going to have to keep practicing. But the beauty of consistency and compounding effect is 1% change for 100 days is 100% change times three months. That's three times, you know, in one season you can make a 300% return on investment. If you're consistently applying 1% a day, that's so simple and so easy, but it can be so difficult and and so daunting if there's so much information and
00:52:09:22 – 00:52:11:03
Unknown
no support element that.
00:52:11:03 – 00:52:35:12
Unknown
So I think that's where the in-person events and the online community and coaching really merged together beautifully. I totally agree. So there's two dates, right? We have September 21st to the 27th is one of them. Is that are those are our dates. And then in March of 2026 and this will be after the big conjunction between, Saturn and Neptune at zero degrees of Aries.
00:52:35:12 – 00:53:04:02
Unknown
So this is, you know, to me, this would be an incredible way to, like, kick off a very new chapter of your life. Of humanity's life. But I also love the idea of coming in September, if you can, and continuing to prepare for all these new beginnings that all of us are, are navigating right now. So if you want to come, we'll put the links in the show notes.
00:53:04:04 – 00:53:21:18
Unknown
And like John said, you're going to get the actual retreat. Plus you're going to get the 12 weeks of coaching afterwards so that you can successfully implement the things that you learned and the experiences you have in your world. It's the end of the end result isn't that everyone needs to just move to Maui in order to experience these things, although.
00:53:21:23 – 00:53:42:15
Unknown
But we would love to have you here. And I would love to meet you too. So I am going to get to be at the retreat in September at different moments, and I would love to meet you. My hula teacher, who many of you have met on this platform, is going to be facilitating some hula workshops. So it's going to be really amazing and alive.
00:53:42:15 – 00:53:47:06
Unknown
And I do love, love, love to meet any of you who can make it happen.
00:53:47:06 – 00:54:01:24
Unknown
We set up an easy link for you guys to get over to this retreat and to learn more about it. I want to make sure it's easy for you to remember. You can go to astrology, have.com/living yoga, and then we're also going to put the link in the show notes.
00:54:02:03 – 00:54:11:08
Unknown
We're also going to put the link to he Gnosis Academy and the online community that Anthony and John both facilitate and run.
00:54:11:08 – 00:54:26:07
Unknown
Anthony and John, as far as embodying the spiritual warrior, actualizing the spiritual warrior, is there anything that you would want to leave the audience with for just like a starting point from your perspective?
00:54:26:07 – 00:54:51:24
Unknown
start. Start with one thing doesn't have to be gym five times a week. Redo my whole diet. Redo my fall lights. You're going to burn yourself out. I've done that before, trying to do five different habits at once. I guarantee it's going to be bulky and you'll probably want to stop. And oh, this sucks.
00:54:52:01 – 00:55:20:02
Unknown
Start with one thing I suggest starting with maybe 1 or 2 things, because you can kind of do both at the same time. Getting outside and get on the earth. Get the sun in your eyes. It's your feet on the grass, the dirt, the mud and that's a that's an amazing place to start. Try to do that if you can, every single day, you know, sunrise, sunset.
00:55:20:02 – 00:55:34:22
Unknown
If you can make the time start, you start small. Set the bar low right. You don't need to set the bar. Okay? I want to stand outside and get my feet on the earth for an hour every single day. Make it five minutes. Sunrise, sunset
00:55:34:22 – 00:55:41:03
Unknown
make it fun. I think that's probably the biggest thing to start. Easy and make it fun.
00:55:41:03 – 00:56:00:15
Unknown
Bring. Bring your community outside. Bring your loved ones outside with you. Like invite each other on this journey so it's not just you. You're. It was never meant to be. Just you. It never was. Let's do it together. It's way more fun that way. So follow your fun and just start. Make it easy.
00:56:00:15 – 00:56:02:10
Unknown
What about you, John?
00:56:02:12 – 00:56:29:21
Unknown
I it's so funny. I, I is why Anthony is my brother and I love this guy because I'll share this story with you. It's a beautiful story. I was having a ceremony with three of my brothers that came to visit, two years ago. Now, at this point, and we were in Yellow Valley and we were in the river and I'm literally standing on the riverbanks doing some Keegan, just doing some turning.
00:56:29:23 – 00:56:57:05
Unknown
And we're all deep in process in the river, just like connecting with the land. And, you know, I've, I've, I would love to share another story, too. And it's for another time related to what, Harmony shared of, you know, the masculine and the feminine did the brevity of it is when I was in ceremony with ayahuasca a few years ago, I asked, what can I do to be of greatest service at this time?
00:56:57:05 – 00:57:03:08
Unknown
And I got this image of the sun looking down on the earth, providing warmth and light for all
00:57:03:08 – 00:57:22:08
Unknown
to grow, to drive and Gaia, the earth. This expression of the feminine and the sun being the expression of the masculine, being a man and just being able to witness life itself is like, makes me want to burst into tears right now.
00:57:22:08 – 00:57:42:02
Unknown
And like Anthony can attest to this, I don't have my own biological children, but I raised my niece and nephew when I was a teenager and they were babies. And so I have a very, very deep, deep, soft spot for children. And with the orphanages we work with in Peru, like it goes deep. I love children and the the youth, the that's our future, the future generations.
00:57:42:07 – 00:58:08:20
Unknown
We have a saying in our community for the kids, everything is about for the kids. And going back to this image, there's this beautiful calm. I believe it's have these where he talks about how, you know, look at the sun giving light and warmth to the earth, asking for nothing in return. Imagine what a love like that could do, and to be able to just watch life itself live and grow and thrive is enough.
00:58:08:20 – 00:58:41:19
Unknown
That's enough. That is the most beautiful gift that we as men can receive is to watch the women and the children grow up in a safe, supportive container and express themselves fully in a way that's actually what is the most nourishing for us. As she said in her prophecy, because the yin energy that is emitted when someone is safe and supported and living from a place of purpose and and meaning and joy, especially for those generators out there, human design, you're actually putting off this energy that is nourishment.
00:58:41:19 – 00:59:02:05
Unknown
The shakti is the nourishment for us, that fuels us, inspires us to like, man, I want to protect this, I want to I this is so sacred. You know better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. Because, like, yeah, I've chosen gardening. But if you try to come mess with my garden boy, you better be ready, because you ain't messing with my plants.
00:59:02:05 – 00:59:20:04
Unknown
You ain't messing with my women in my children. I love them way too much to be able to sit there and just watch life grow itself. So the answer I got, how can I be of most support is I said I was going to tell a story. I'm telling a story is listen to and support the feminine. Then message I got.
00:59:20:04 – 00:59:41:20
Unknown
It was so funny with the Ani clip because it was literally exactly what she said. As the prophecy that I receive from ayahuasca in ceremony is just listen to and support the feminine, and that's the earth. That's the women and children of the earth. That's our own bodies, our own physical body. Listen to body. What is the best way that I can nourish you and support your growth and expansion and well-being today?
00:59:41:22 – 01:00:03:17
Unknown
And so I'm sitting on the river bank. I'm doing qigong. I'm like, what now? What's what's the download now? What's the next what? Yeah. How can be a most support now. What's the way that I can. What's the best way I can listen to and support the feminine. What's the way I can practically apply this in some sort of method that brings benefit to my community here on Maui and to the people I work with?
01:00:03:19 – 01:00:18:18
Unknown
And the four words that came through your love. This is literally what we both just said movement, nature, community, play. I'm literally sitting there doing twisting and it's movement, nature, community play, movement, nature, community play,
01:00:18:18 – 01:00:28:04
Unknown
Connect with the earth. Connect with the natural intelligence all around you. Move your body. Open your body. Do it with people that you love and have a good time playing while you do it.
01:00:28:04 – 01:00:47:07
Unknown
And that's going to be the, I think, the greatest medicine and teacher and evolution for humanity that we need. And it doesn't have to be more complicated than that. Instead of like, get the prescription tablet out and like, write down all you got to do this at this time of day for 20 minutes and a movement, nature, community, play, movement, nature, community play.
01:00:47:11 – 01:01:15:10
Unknown
Me and Anthony and the boys we every once in a while we go out to Poly Poland. We just play disc golf, you know, we just throw frisbees around and it's one of the greatest medicines and greatest times for us. You know, since we haven't been out in a while since he's had baby baby Charlotte. But that was one of our greatest connection moments and memories as grown men going and throwing plastic discs around in a forest you know, of, like how special is that movement, nature, community, play.
01:01:15:10 – 01:01:44:20
Unknown
So any way that you can do that and foster those opportunities in your own local community, grab a couple people, go outside, throw the throw the football around, throw the Frisbee around, play, move your body. Breathe. Connect. Have a good time like that. That's it. That's the greatest medicine right there. We, Thank you men so much for coming and sharing your perspective, for sharing your enthusiasm, your passion, your joy.
01:01:45:01 – 01:02:09:24
Unknown
Thank you for the invitation to this community to join you in, not out here on Maui. I just love everything that you said. Thank you. I mean, if, if, if you out there just take like one thing, one thing and apply it like these are the kinds of things that create the ripple effects. The 1% right. The 1% that just totally can change your trajectory.
01:02:10:01 – 01:02:28:04
Unknown
So thank you for this. If you liked this episode, please share it. Please let us know. Leave your comments. It has been such a pleasure to be here with all of you. Just a reminder to keep your feet on the on the ground and your eyes to the sky. And I cannot wait to connect with you on the next next episode.
01:02:28:09 – 01:02:31:22
Unknown
Take care everyone.