[2026 Prep Series] Gary Caton on the archetypes activated by 2026’s outer-planet alignments
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- 01:00 — Introductions & Gary’s big picture look at 2026
- 10:45 — Significance of the Midpoint
- 27:18 — How to support the upcoming volatile energy
- 30:20 — Archetypes to embody throughout 2026
- 56:57 — Zodiac as the agricultural calendar
- 1:08:28 — 2026 Lunations conjunct Fixed Stars
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Transcript:
00:00:00:12 – 00:00:26:05
Unknown
What are the most important transits to be paying attention to, and what are the invitations of these transits? None of us will ever see another Saturn Neptune conjunction at the Aries point again. It's only happened twice in the history of Western civilization. If you had to rank 2026 in terms of importance astrologically, what would you give it? 11.
00:00:26:07 – 00:00:59:22
Unknown
For people who are typically kind of chill, you might need to psych yourself up a little bit for later in the year. I find myself already whew. Like, okay, easy, big guy. Like take a walk outside. This is another maturation that we're all being asked to embody in a new way. I think people are going to realize how saturated they've been with collective noise, and they're going to start seeking out this quiet moments of like, I'm just here now, and that will enable us to make our creations much more sustainable.
00:00:59:24 – 00:01:09:11
Unknown
Gary katana, welcome back to the Astrology Podcast. I am so happy you're here. And basically that you're here with us ringing in the new year.
00:01:09:16 – 00:01:31:10
Unknown
And I'm doing the quotes because we know astrologically this isn't really the new year quite yet, right? Right. Yes. But it's so great to be here with you, looking forward into 2026, getting your read on it help having you help us identify what are the most important transits to be paying attention to and what are the invitations of these transits.
00:01:31:12 – 00:01:34:08
Unknown
So thank you for being here. We're so happy to have you.
00:01:34:10 – 00:01:56:09
Unknown
Very, very welcome. I'm really excited too. It feels it reminds me a lot of 2020 when we were getting ready for the big, you know, dealio with the grand conjunction or great conjunction and all this stuff. And Capricorn, it feels like that kind of thing again, where it's like, oh, we got some major stuff going on.
00:01:56:11 – 00:02:14:18
Unknown
And, I've been really diving in the deep end with it. I've got lunation charts for all the moons and I've been, you know, I'm like that guy. You ever see the meme where that guy's like, he's got all these charts and he's going, he's I yeah, I feel like that guy a little bit, but not too much.
00:02:14:20 – 00:02:34:22
Unknown
Yes. Well, I can't wait for you to dive in. For those of you who don't know Gary, he is. It's such a treat to have him on the podcast. He's also going to be an inner circle astrologer with us for the Aquarius Lunation, which arguably might be one of the most anticipated lunation of the decade of the century.
00:02:34:22 – 00:02:40:18
Unknown
I don't know, but to have Gary with us for that is going to be incredible. He's going to be our mentor, he's going to be our guide.
00:02:40:23 – 00:02:51:08
Unknown
He's going to be keeping us in the loop of what's happening astrologically at that time. He shepherd you through eclipse season? Yes. And eclipses. I mean, God, yes, there's a lot going on.
00:02:51:08 – 00:03:13:09
Unknown
But, he also has written one of the best books on Mercury. It is called Hermetic Triptych, and it is quoted by astrologers all over the world, all the time. Actually, Gary, recently in the last couple months, we've had Gemini Brett and Adam Summer both quote you when they're talking about sweet. I know stormy used to quote that a lot too.
00:03:13:09 – 00:03:34:12
Unknown
She was always really good about that. Yeah, I got I got volume two coming out at you Amanda. Amazing. That's great. Gary finally finished it. Fantastic. Seven years. But, yeah, we we've got it in the pipeline. Wow. And, yeah, it's going to be a it's going to be a lot thicker this way. Some people complained that was too skinny of a book.
00:03:34:12 – 00:03:53:09
Unknown
I was thinking I thought I was taking it easy on you guys, you know? Geez. Okay. You want a bigger one? Here you go. Totally. Gary. Astrology students, I sometimes think that about podcast episode length and it's it's I know, like a kick in. Yeah. We want more. We want longer. Yes. Okay. All right. You guys are the best.
00:03:53:11 – 00:03:56:17
Unknown
So he's also going to be featured on our upcoming
00:03:56:19 – 00:04:13:10
Unknown
forecast panel. So our 2026 forecast panel panel. This is our 10th annual forecast panel event. And it's featuring Gary plus seven other amazing astrologers over two days. I just made some new people. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Well, and like you said,
00:04:13:10 – 00:04:18:16
Unknown
it feels like we're gearing up in the same way we were doing in 2019 for 2020.
00:04:18:19 – 00:04:43:03
Unknown
Yeah, it has a similar vibe. And and that's not to scare you guys. That's actually not in that way actually actually like, a, a firmly putting all of that crap that's happened since then in the rearview mirror and like, really getting down to some new, exciting stuff, actually. Yeah. I feel like. Yeah. Oh that's good.
00:04:43:03 – 00:05:05:12
Unknown
Yeah. All right. Yeah. So no Saturn Pluto at Saturn Neptune. So there we go. Yeah. Big huge difference. Right. So that event is open for registration. It is a it's what we call a give as you wish event. So you can join for free. Or if you feel like contributing to the event itself you can. So that's up to you.
00:05:05:13 – 00:05:26:03
Unknown
And you go to astrology. You have.com/20 26 forecast. And we already have thousands of people from all over the world joining us for that event. So we would love for all of you to join us as well. I remember in 2020 we had like 20,000 people. That was the biggest event I had ever been a part of. And I was just like, that was 20,000 people.
00:05:26:03 – 00:05:28:06
Unknown
Yeah, I don't know if we're going to have that many people this time, but
00:05:28:06 – 00:05:51:22
Unknown
like, yes, there's going to be a nice crew joining us. So Gary, let's let's dive in that. Yeah. That's about 2026. I wanted to ask you this question. If you had to like rank 2026 on a, on a scale of 1 to 10, in terms of importance astrologically, what would you give it?
00:05:51:24 – 00:06:31:24
Unknown
11 oh. Whoa. Okay. Yeah. I mean, look, none of us will ever see another, you know, Saturn, Neptune conjunction at the Aries point again. It's only happened twice in the history of Western civilization that we've had, a Saturn, Saturn, Neptune conjunction this close to the Aries point. It happened in like 500 BC and like 500, C.E., you know, and so, yeah, it I mean, it's really hard to say exactly how long this will be remembered.
00:06:31:24 – 00:07:03:12
Unknown
And it may not. You know, sometimes it's like sometimes it's like really obvious what happened in that year. And other times it's actually just like the quiet little first shoot of something, you know, through the, the soil and in the beginning of spring. And it's and it could be either, it could be both. But I think that definitely this is a very key and memorable, passage that we're going through.
00:07:03:14 – 00:07:17:15
Unknown
We're being initiated into something, very, very, personally, possibly. But definitely collectively. This is really huge.
00:07:17:17 – 00:07:31:18
Unknown
I remember the transits that were happening in 2020 indicated a global experience that we would be having together. Is it similar in that way? Yeah, it's collective. I mean, and then and this is the thing I mean,
00:07:31:18 – 00:07:39:20
Unknown
it's not just Saturn and Neptune crossing the vernal point, which is like as I said, so only happened two other times in the history of Western civilization.
00:07:39:20 – 00:08:08:19
Unknown
Okay. But then you have the that's happening at the midpoint of Uranus and Pluto. And, you know, we had something similar, actually, in the 1940s. And, and that was, actually Pluto was at the middle of that alignment. So this was the ushering in of the atomic age, essentially. So you had, Uranus and Neptune trine, and you had Pluto in the middle.
00:08:08:21 – 00:08:59:13
Unknown
And so you can and so now what's interesting about that is that, you know, the 50s and 60s were basically the the biggest economic golden age ever. You know, there was an unprecedented economic expansion that followed that harmonious alignment of all three outer planets. And so, you know, it's interesting to, to consider, like, that technology, you know, as technology advances, usually that brings, you know, with it, you know, new opportunities for growth and stuff and so, yeah, it's possible that and again, it was the 1940s that we saw the outer planet alignment, but it was the 50s and 60s that saw the economic expansion.
00:08:59:15 – 00:09:31:06
Unknown
So this could just be that little shoot the that we're seeing. And then later we'll see. But that to me, like all three outer planets being harmoniously aligned, that's really, promising actually. And so, yeah, it's exciting. And, you know, I think that it's something that you could, you could, you know, I'll be honest with you, when we did that thing in 2020, we actually had a ceremony.
00:09:31:06 – 00:09:51:20
Unknown
What? Do you remember that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And and I have to admit, like, at first I was like, really? You guys want to have a ceremony for Saturn and Pluto? And then I was like, okay, let's do it. And I remember in the middle I was going, oh, like, okay. Now I remember why I had a little trepidation.
00:09:51:22 – 00:10:25:01
Unknown
And then it wasn't until after I was like, oh boy, you know, and but I don't feel that way about this at all, actually. And it might be that, you know, I, I, you know, I've been we've been through enough. I don't want to feel that way or I don't, but I don't think so. Like I said, I mean, when you look at that last time that we've seen the all three outer planets harmoniously aligned, the decades that followed that were really like the like, you know, it's like the golden age of the middle class.
00:10:25:03 – 00:10:44:22
Unknown
There was a, you know, the, you know, all of all of the, sort of benefits that we think about, you know, social benefits that we think about, you know, came about during that time. So, yeah, it feels really, hopeful and positive. All right.
00:10:44:24 – 00:10:54:00
Unknown
Tell us about the significant I know there's a couple of midpoint, configurations that seem important in 2026.
00:10:54:00 – 00:11:17:03
Unknown
Can you tell us about them? And also a little bit about the importance of a midpoint? We had Rick Levine on about a month ago. And he's he he talks about midpoints all the time. And we talked about actually offering a class on them next year with him, because a lot of people don't really understand the significance, and they don't always include it in their astrological interpretations.
00:11:17:05 – 00:11:23:18
Unknown
So tell us about it. Yeah. My, my very first astrology mentor, Tom Romer.
00:11:23:20 – 00:11:45:17
Unknown
He. Yeah, he created a day planner, for years and years and years and years. And he always had the midpoints included in there. And so and plus, you know, like it's called cozy combination of stellar influences by Reinhold Albertine that's like, sort of the, the Bible of midpoints.
00:11:45:19 – 00:12:05:08
Unknown
And I got so I got turned on to them relatively early. But what I noticed was that a particular transit might not be hitting anything in my chart, but because Tom had the midpoint listed, I was like, but the midpoint is pretty close. Okay, let me watch that one. And sure enough, usually the midpoint was actually enough.
00:12:05:08 – 00:12:29:09
Unknown
And this this is really not so some people and this is not my opinion, by the way. I'm just stating a opinion. So you have to be really clear about that these days. This some people say, for instance, that, oh, asteroids are just like a little bit of space. You just sprinkle on at the end and, you know, it's nice if you can have it, but it's not necessary.
00:12:29:09 – 00:12:58:05
Unknown
Whatever. This is not that bad. Points are not that, there's there's techniques that are fundamental. For instance, the midpoint of Aries and Virgo is cancer. Areas in Virgo are and Tisha. They have the same amount of daylight and nighttime. But in the case of Aries, the daylight is becoming more and and in the case of Virgo, it's becoming less.
00:12:58:05 – 00:13:28:13
Unknown
It's moving away from the economics versus moving to the equinox. So we so we and so there's the ratio of day and night is the same, but they're in different directions. So the midpoints are baked into the system. Yeah. And yeah. And so one particular midpoint to be following is the midpoint of Uranus and Pluto, because Saturn and Neptune are both going to be activating that pretty much all year.
00:13:28:14 – 00:13:49:16
Unknown
And so when we think and so that's the reason why following the midpoint is really important. Because you know we might want to talk about oh what is Uranus trine Pluto. And that's that's a conversation in and of itself. I mean we had the squares in the in the 20 teens that weren't that long ago. So we can think about what that was about.
00:13:49:16 – 00:14:05:14
Unknown
We had the conjunction in the 60s when I was being born. And so we can we can talk about that as its own thing, but it's not its own thing. It's actually the bread on the sandwich and the meat and the cheese are Saturn and Neptune,
00:14:05:16 – 00:14:13:01
Unknown
and that's a one way. It's so it's like, you know, if you I mean, you could technically like these days,
00:14:13:04 – 00:14:18:07
Unknown
sometimes I'll take the top of the bun off the hamburger for less carbs or whatever.
00:14:18:08 – 00:14:45:15
Unknown
But in this case, in this case, it's it's kind of, you know, they're kind of all blended together from, from that midpoint picture. And there's a similar thing happening early in the year with Venus and Mars, Venus and Mars, start out the year conjunct in Capricorn, and they're, they're conjunct in the underworld, which is to say, you won't see it in the sky.
00:14:45:15 – 00:15:17:00
Unknown
It's, it's conjunct the sun, so you you can't see it. And, and they will eventually pop out of the underworld on opposite sides. Venus will emerge as morning star and Mars will emerge as Evening Star in March, around the equinox. And so this. But the entire time the sun will be tracking their midpoint. They're emerging from the sun at the same speed.
00:15:17:02 – 00:15:49:15
Unknown
And so the Venus, in fact, I want to say it's it's some ways in I want to say there's another lunation at some point where Venus, some Mars midpoint is really active. So the Venus, Mars that idea of the sacred marriage, which is why I have this graphic behind me. And alchemy, the sacred marriage was like really a big idea in Jungian psychology, the sacred marriage between masculine and feminine, the inner masculine and feminine in the same person.
00:15:49:17 – 00:16:18:00
Unknown
Your own inner marriage. This is going to be a theme, really big theme all year of, uniting and balancing the opposite sides of our nature. And you'll really see it dramatically early in the year. And with this midpoint, the sun will be basically the same distance from Venus and Mars for like 3 or 4 months.
00:16:18:02 – 00:16:50:08
Unknown
And so it'll be an interesting time to see how that process. Yes, that conjunction normally would be, you know, over relatively quickly. I mean, they'll both still be with the sun as they'll be that I think Mercury's with them also in Capricorn. And then the whole gang moves into Aquarius later. So that'll still be around. But even after that, as they get into Mars will be in Pisces and and Venus will be in Aries and the sun will be right in the middle, and they'll keep going like that.
00:16:50:08 – 00:16:56:18
Unknown
So that's another midpoint to keep an eye on for sure. The Venus. Mars. Yeah. Good.
00:16:56:20 – 00:17:14:18
Unknown
And if we didn't have this midpoint with the with Saturn, Neptune, Uranus and Pluto, is that right? If we didn't have that would the Saturn Neptune transit be. How would you interpret it differently I guess right, right. I mean,
00:17:14:20 – 00:17:28:12
Unknown
so sometimes you can get things where, oh, this transit is hitting my chart, but that one isn't, you know, and it's like, oh, everybody's talking about this one and I'm not feeling it.
00:17:28:12 – 00:17:51:14
Unknown
You know, it's not personal to me. Especially with the collective planets, because they're collective, like you. You hear the noise, everybody's talking about it. You see it in the news. But when I look out my window. Yeah, it's not on my block. There's that kind of thing, you know? And so sometimes you can get discrete energies when they're not connected.
00:17:51:16 – 00:18:16:06
Unknown
You can have a transit that you feel that you have a personal connection to, and another one that you don't. But when they're all 3 or 4 tied together this way, it's still possible that, you know, the the early degrees of Aries or the early degrees of Gemini or the early degrees of Aquarius. It's still possible. Now, I happen to have all of those really big in my chart.
00:18:16:08 – 00:18:43:10
Unknown
That's like my mom Coeli, my ascendant, and my my Venus and, my Venus Mercury conjunction are all getting light. You know, nailed. But, it's possible somebody doesn't have any of those degrees. And so they might not it might not be as personal for them, but zero, four degrees. Yeah. Pretty much signs or mainly zero. Well yeah.
00:18:43:10 – 00:19:02:09
Unknown
That's the thing. I mean some of the signs it'll be like sort of it'll be sort of off to the side, you know. But here's the thing. If even though it's off to the side and they're only getting it like through one particular house, they're still getting all of it because it's all connected. Right. You see what I'm saying.
00:19:02:09 – 00:19:11:24
Unknown
So it's a little bit harder to kind of take the bread or the bun off the top of the burger. It's like, you know, like everything's kind of masked together in this one.
00:19:12:01 – 00:19:24:17
Unknown
Okay. Yeah. And so for you personally, knowing that this is going to activate your chart in a very specific way, how do you prepare for something like that?
00:19:24:19 – 00:19:43:21
Unknown
How do you like it, you know, and how would you advise a client if you looked at a client's chart and went, oh, wow, this is really going to be personal for you. There's going to be a lot going on. Yeah, I remember back and you know, before, as the great conjunction was coming in the early degrees of Aquarius, and of course people would show up and I'd be like,
00:19:43:21 – 00:19:47:14
Unknown
I know why you're here.
00:19:47:16 – 00:20:09:10
Unknown
And I, you know, I always explain to them, like, this is a rare thing and it's activating your chart very personally. I mean, you have an opportunity here for the foreseeable future, for the next 20 years to really expand and be, and be a player out in the world with this energy, you know, because this is a mundane signature.
00:20:09:12 – 00:20:30:07
Unknown
And so, yeah, that's the idea. I mean, it's one reason why even though I remember, like, this book, I told you, this book took me like seven years to complete, and, that was not the plan. And yet each time that, you know, like John Lennon famously said, life is what happens when you're busy making other plans, right?
00:20:30:07 – 00:20:50:21
Unknown
Well, the plan was the book Life happened. And then each time I would come back, I would be like writing and I would be thinking and writing and I'd be like, oh my God, I don't think I would have written that before. And I realized, okay, like this is this I needed to happen. There was a ripening that was happening with that.
00:20:50:21 – 00:21:17:22
Unknown
And so I'm really happy to be launching a book this year for sure. And, you know, I have a chance to, position it, I think, within a broader context. So that's that's the thing. Like, so you have, like, the personal and then you have the social and then you have the transpersonal. So it might be good to just like talk about that first.
00:21:17:24 – 00:21:39:05
Unknown
So the personal planets, you know, Mercury, Venus, Mars though, you know Venus is a personal planet. Love is love. Love. You can talk to anybody. It doesn't matter if they're straight or queer or or from from Africa or from Canada. Love is love. And it you know, you hear somebody talking about their, you know, going having a fight with their spouse.
00:21:39:05 – 00:22:06:01
Unknown
It's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been done that. It's universal. Right. You don't. But sometimes with the social planets it's a little bit flavored by your background. Jupiter and Saturn expansion for somebody from Louisiana by you is getting a couple extra Gator tags for their. Yeah. And season. You know what I'm saying. Expansion for somebody from Wall Street is getting a stock tip, right?
00:22:06:02 – 00:22:44:10
Unknown
Yeah. You know what I'm saying. So there's a little bit of cultural difference with those. And then with the trans personals, it's literally like the archetypal realm is being activated and you are either getting a chance to witness the archetype in your life or in some cases, be, a representative of that archetype for way more than just you, you know, like, for instance, I'm, you know, now I'm a guy who writes about I mean, this is my second book on Mercury, so I'm the Mercury guy.
00:22:44:12 – 00:23:07:14
Unknown
Wow. You know, and so that, the even though Mercury is a personal planet, for most people, Mercury transits are going to be relatively personal. You know, my mercury is getting hit by all of these transpersonal planets, like, you know, it's going to be like, if I wasn't already the Mercury guy, I surely am now, you see what I'm saying?
00:23:07:15 – 00:23:52:06
Unknown
You're becoming the archetypal, connector and communicator. Like. Yeah, like Mercury, the messenger. You're the archetypal messenger. Exactly. And that's and so that's the kind of thing that, that that these outer planets are going to make available for people is to, witness the archetypal realm, speaking to them clearly through through other people, through the world, through, you know, I mean, I mean, I've been through enough of these now, I remember when I was, you know, in college and, you know, in the late 80s and the Berlin Wall came down and, you know, stuff and going, holy, you know, wow.
00:23:52:08 – 00:24:16:00
Unknown
I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, there's there's certain moments in time where there's this huge collective experience and, you know, 911, I mean, everybody, you know, where were you when that happened? I mean, I remember very clearly I was walking by my favorite professor's, you know, office. And she was crying, and I was like, what's going on?
00:24:16:00 – 00:24:45:02
Unknown
You know, who's, so, so yeah, that's that's the, that's the nature of this. And so we have, we have all three levels being activated on and in very big ways. We have this Venus, Mars sacred Union conjunction, this really rich opportunity for this inner marriage. We have, you know, Jupiter's going to be switching signs from cancer to Leo.
00:24:45:04 – 00:25:11:21
Unknown
And that's another thing about the year that's really I think a lot of people have mentioned this, but, you know, it's really worth mentioning we start the year with only Pluto and Aquarius of, of of the social and transpersonal planets, of those five, only Pluto is in Aquarius. Everything else is in water and Earth, right? Jupiter in cancer, Uranus in Taurus, Neptune and Saturn in Pisces.
00:25:11:21 – 00:25:41:01
Unknown
So there's a very there's a much more. The alchemical balance is towards the feminine, the yin, the down. And in. And then we get Saturn and Neptune, go into Aries. So we get some the balance shifts, then we get, Uranus and Gemini, and the balance shifts even more towards the volatile. And then with Jupiter goes into Leo in early July, all five of them will now be in fire and air.
00:25:41:03 – 00:26:08:04
Unknown
And so that's extremely volatile. There's a lot of energy coursing through the collective. And and so there's a big, swing in the energy. It'll start out kind of heavy and maybe, maybe it'll feel a little stuck. Maybe you'll feel a little bit lost, you know, being a some Mars in the underworld. And that's okay. That's that's that's alchemy actually.
00:26:08:06 – 00:26:34:16
Unknown
Like that. Bridging that. The alchemists talk about bridging the difference between the fixed and the volatile. They say make the fixed volatile and the volatile fixed. So they're talking about bringing, you know, wild, untamed energies and containing them a little bit, making them to make them more useful and bringing really solid, stable energies and livening them up a little bit.
00:26:34:18 – 00:26:48:22
Unknown
And so, that's we have that sort of situation going on with the elemental mixture from the first half of the year to the second half of the year was quite a big swing.
00:26:48:24 – 00:27:09:08
Unknown
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00:27:18:24 – 00:27:28:21
Unknown
How do we do that, Gary? How do we if if there's going to be a lot of volatile, volatile energy, how do we help to make it more fixed.
00:27:28:23 – 00:27:37:02
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, so, you know, it's kind of like in martial arts or any sort of sports that we talk about having a good base,
00:27:37:04 – 00:27:52:10
Unknown
you know, you have if you have a solid base to move from, you can extend yourself without falling over or, you know, or hurting yourself or whatever. So and, or like, you know, warming up before you do some strenuous activity and stuff like that.
00:27:52:10 – 00:28:20:11
Unknown
So it's actually pretty cool the way it starts out and kind of gradually ramps up. It'll probably be in hindsight when you look back and you go, Holy moly, like where I was at the beginning of the year, where I wound up or like really different. So it's fortunately it's not like really harsh, hard and sudden. But I think the first step is just acknowledging it like there's a huge swing of energy.
00:28:20:13 – 00:28:46:15
Unknown
And, that probably means that I'm going to be called on to some extent to be more energetic maybe, than I'm used to, particularly for people who have, you know, pretty gen charts. It might be a little bit, you know, I remember I had this one friend, his name was Kelly Lee for UPS. Back when I got to Asheville, this guy was like a super Sagittarius, energy.
00:28:46:15 – 00:29:12:01
Unknown
And I used to have to cite, you know, people say, talk about psyching yourself up before a sports contest. Yeah, I used to have to psych myself up to go do a podcast with this guy. It was. It was so high energy. Yeah. Wow. Yes. And says it's like that, like you might for people who are typically kind of chill, you might need to psych yourself up a little bit for later in the year and like, practice.
00:29:12:03 – 00:29:39:21
Unknown
You know, RA just getting that RA finding that, you know, digging down for that and finding, you know, hey, when when push comes to shove and I need that, I know how to find it, you know. And so and vice versa. You know, for people that, you know, like I find myself, I have a fair amount of fire at my chart and I find myself already kind of like, whew.
00:29:39:21 – 00:30:09:01
Unknown
Like, okay, easy, big guy. Like, take a walk outside, like it's like, breathe. Take a walk outside, you know, do something physical to kind of chill because my brain literally gets going with so much information. This is like like, yes. And we love that about you, Gary. Yes. Okay. So we're going to be grounding some of the volatile energy.
00:30:09:03 – 00:30:41:20
Unknown
And for those who are already quite grounded, they'll be able to harness some of this more, more volatile energy and use it to be more energized. Gary, if you had to. So we've we've talked a little bit about our archetypal energy and how this year, we may be called upon to either witness this archetype, archetypal energy in new ways and or being asked to embody it anyways.
00:30:41:22 – 00:31:08:05
Unknown
So, you know, what would you say are the archetypes involved in the in the major configurations of the year that we may be we may be embodying more of? Right. So, I mean, we'll just start from the closest, you know, as a Jupiter is, you know, often thought of as like a teacher or, you know, you can do Jupiter through typically through travel or education, right?
00:31:08:05 – 00:31:33:08
Unknown
Like Jupiter is expansion. And so it's like I said, depending on where you're from, expansion could be look different, but it's kind of the same energy and that it's outward. It's like and so when Jupiter starts the year in cancer, you know, expansion might seem like, you know, having an extra blanket, you know, Jupiter and can't, you know, like I'm going to expand my coziness.
00:31:33:08 – 00:31:56:01
Unknown
Right. And that's great. I mean, I can dig it. You know, I'm saying it like there's there's times for that where it's like, you know, self-care. And, you know, a lot of people are realizing self-care is really important nowadays and stuff. And then, when Jupiter goes into Leo, that's that's more like I said, like what? You're in Leo, actually.
00:31:56:01 – 00:32:26:16
Unknown
So the fact that I had to psych myself up to hang out with this guy, it's saying something because it's not like I can't do it. It was just on another level, man. And so with Jupiter and Leo, that that energy of, caretaking, and being like a teacher or a caregiver to ourselves and expanding and an internal way, we'll now be much more invited to be much more externalized.
00:32:26:16 – 00:32:49:13
Unknown
So if you have knowledge that you want to teach, it'll be it'll there will be opportunities to do that. If you have places you want to go, it'll be easy. It'll probably be a lot easier to find opportunities. You know. And you could now with the thing with Jupiter is, you know, burning the candle at both ends up too much of a good thing, you know?
00:32:49:15 – 00:33:16:21
Unknown
And so it'll, it'll be good to kind of, remember to like those lessons of self-care from when Jupiter was in cancer. Okay, like I said, your earlier easy big guy left it. Let's let's take a breath. Let's take a walk outside. You know, that kind of stuff. Saturn in Aries is going to be really interesting because, you know, Saturn is not really at home in Aries.
00:33:16:21 – 00:33:49:05
Unknown
Saturn is exalted in Libra. So if you think about it, Saturn is like the big daddy. You know, the authority principle, the law giver. The the holder of boundaries. You know, you know, and so this idea of Libra balance, like, ideally we want our authority figures to be just, you know, and so this idea of Saturn being exalted in Libra makes sense in that fashion in Aries.
00:33:49:07 – 00:34:17:14
Unknown
Aries is actually just as balanced as Libra. We tend to forget that, you know, this spring equinox is same amount of day and night, but the day is getting bigger and Libra the days are getting shorter. So Saturn and Aries, you know, there's this, there's this urge and Aries to just want to go and to, and Saturn is always like, wait, wait, are you sure?
00:34:17:14 – 00:34:48:23
Unknown
You know, did you check this? Did you check? You know, it's like that that, you know, solid, stable, you know, disciplined, long term think, long term planning. Have you got, you know, have you got all your stuff or, you know, everything packed, you know, before you head out. And whereas Aries is about following your natural impulses, it's really impulsive and, you know, that ability to just.
00:34:49:00 – 00:35:17:20
Unknown
Manage that, that, dichotomy of like, oh, I feel an impulse and I'm just going to follow it, you know, versus, oh, I feel an impulse and I probably should make sure I'm prepared before I follow that particular impulse. And being able to discern which is which. That's going to be big with Saturn in Aries, because there's certain impulses that you kind of want to pack a bag for you know.
00:35:17:22 – 00:35:39:24
Unknown
Yes. And there's others that you really you need to do it right in that moment or it's lost. Like, that's an interesting dance. I find that I have an Aries South Node, and so I think my impulse is pretty much always I get the inspiration and I want to go with that enthusiasm because it feels like this wave that like you said, if you don't write it, you'll you'll lose it.
00:35:40:05 – 00:36:08:08
Unknown
Yeah. And that's gotten me into some interesting situations from time to time because, yeah, it wasn't totally thought through. It wasn't, you know, I didn't have all the right things that I needed to actually ride the wave. So I think that that's a really interesting maturation. Opportunity for that Aries enthusiasm. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah. And so like, sort of like, it's sort of like we have to be able to modulate between our inner parent and our inner child.
00:36:08:10 – 00:36:28:20
Unknown
And really like, let the inner parent be like, rather than scolding the inner child, like, are you crazy? You can't just run off and do that. Be like, right. That's a really interesting impulse, young one. But do you think maybe there's a few things you might want to get in order before you run off to, to chase that particular rainbow?
00:36:28:20 – 00:36:40:02
Unknown
You know, that's a little it's a lot more nurturing and, you know, self, compassionate to I love that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
00:36:40:05 – 00:36:54:08
Unknown
and that will enable us to make our creations much more sustainable and, much more grounded and in reality, which. Yeah, exactly. Seems really important at this moment in time. Yeah, yeah,
00:36:54:10 – 00:37:01:04
Unknown
yeah, I like that that ability to really like, hold the grounded like, this is real.
00:37:01:04 – 00:37:19:03
Unknown
I'm not. This is not a, this is not play time. This is like I'm serious about this. Even if it is like an impulse that I just picked up on this morning. Trust me, I know what I'm doing. And, I'm going to follow through on this, and I'm going to make it. I'm going to do whatever needs to be done.
00:37:19:05 – 00:37:49:05
Unknown
But that's another thing is like that, that, knowing, as you said, of like, look, sometimes when you follow an impulse, things get a little messy. And that I'm here, I'm committed to following this, and I'm committed to doing whatever it takes to to be responsible in my following of it. That's kind of the balance between that, you know, of, of bringing the Saturn along on the impulse.
00:37:49:05 – 00:38:09:00
Unknown
Right? It's like, yeah, okay, I'm going to do this and I'm going to I'm going to, you know, clean up after myself as I go along. Any messes I made? Yeah, yeah. And just and just the reality that you might create messes and that you would need to be willing to, to deal with, you know, the tech people talk about that all the time, like move fast and break stuff.
00:38:09:00 – 00:38:41:16
Unknown
That's literally their motto. Yeah, move fast and break stuff. Because the first mover advantage is so important in that field. And like if you're breaking stuff, it means that you're learning lessons and you're you're by solving problems, you're learning and you're growing. And so it's not just okay that you're doing that, but, you know, in some in some cases it might be necessary to be willing to make some messes as long as you're responsible and saying as I make them, I will attend to them.
00:38:41:18 – 00:39:00:12
Unknown
And I'm not just, you know, being reckless, but I am being that's is like the difference between being assertive and being aggressive, right. Like going for it all the way. But I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to make sure I take care of things as I go along. Yeah. So good. Okay. So we talked about Jupiter.
00:39:00:12 – 00:39:30:16
Unknown
We talked about Saturn in Aries or Jupiter in Leo, Saturn in Aries. What are the other archetypes and binaries configuration? Gemini. Okay. Well, that's a big one. Uranus is North Node is in Gemini. So when Uranus reaches Gemini, it is about to cross the ecliptic plane. And this only happens every 84 years. And in fact, the United States of America was born at a time when Uranus was crossing.
00:39:30:16 – 00:40:03:03
Unknown
And so we're having a Uranus return. You know, you hear, you know, you've talked with Adam. He talks about the fourth turning as he talked with you about Summer. Yeah. Adam. Summer. Yeah. So that idea is basically a Uranus cycle. Like there's four generations 24 to 60, 80. The, and so there's a, there's a really big, kind of, technological revolution that usually goes along with that.
00:40:03:03 – 00:40:24:01
Unknown
I mean, if you look back, I did an article for I think it was wellbeing astrology Guide a few years back about this. I think it was two years back. You go all the way back to Gutenberg's printing press, Uranus in Aries, I mean, and every time there's like this technological wave that sort of breaks open a new territory and makes new things possible.
00:40:24:01 – 00:40:50:12
Unknown
And, and so riding that wave is, you know, what you were taught. You mentioned surfing earlier. Like getting your surfboard waxed for that wave can be really exciting because it you know, Gutenberg's printing press changed the world. And then a couple cycles later, Martin Luther was taking down the most powerful man in the world, a simple German monk, pretty much by himself.
00:40:50:12 – 00:41:21:01
Unknown
Well, with the aid of the printing press, took down the most powerful man in the world. The Pope, you know, and. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is why I've never thought of it that way. That's incredible. It is incredible. I did an article and there was an anniversary of the Reformation a little while back, and I did an article about that, and it was really, I was that's that's why I love being a writer, because, like, diving into that was this like, oh, my God, this is so cool.
00:41:21:03 – 00:41:51:21
Unknown
But yeah, basically harness the technology, the new technology that was available at the time to, to speak to and strike a collective chord that then created enough power to change things forever. Yeah. And then as that chord got hit, the next time there was a little more power, right? And now you can actually change the world with this technology that was only born 1 or 2 cycles before, you know, and the pace of technology is changing so rapidly.
00:41:52:02 – 00:42:13:03
Unknown
I mean, you can I mean, you know, so if we think about people say the Industrial revolution, it's kind of like saying the Renaissance. We don't say that anymore. There are Renaissance says with an s the, you know, and the same way there are industrial revolutions within s the first industrial revolution was like the steam engine and stuff.
00:42:13:05 – 00:42:54:00
Unknown
The second one was like railroads and telegraph. The third one was computers and the information age. And now people, some people are saying that the fourth Industrial Revolution is going to be or is, I'm thinking is, in the you called the image the age of imagination, Where, for instance, using AI, I can, ask it how to code an app for something and and without any prior coding and knowledge at all, I can pull it off and I can code something.
00:42:54:02 – 00:43:17:15
Unknown
And just ten years ago, knowledge of how to code things was the golden key to being in the tech world. But now there's a lot more things passed. So it's not the knowledge or the information that's the golden key anymore. It's the ability to imagine what to do with the knowledge and information.
00:43:17:17 – 00:43:19:06
Unknown
And that's so. So that's the thing.
00:43:19:06 – 00:43:27:11
Unknown
People get a little bit sketchy. I've scared some people talking about AI. I mean, and I feel I feel bad about that because I was just excited.
00:43:27:13 – 00:43:37:04
Unknown
I mean, I know there's a lot I know there's a lot of dystopian, you know, The Matrix and The Terminator and everything is like, really, you know, okay, I get it.
00:43:37:04 – 00:44:02:11
Unknown
But at the same time, like, I grew up using knives and guns at an early age, and my father always told me, son, this is a tool, not a toy. It's a tool. And you have to be very careful with these tools can hurt people. You have to be very, very careful. His. So if you look at it that way, that it's a tool and yes is sometimes it makes stuff up.
00:44:02:13 – 00:44:31:02
Unknown
You have to be able to discern when it's saying wise. It's not it's not an oracle. It's a tool. That said, when I do historical research, for instance, like being able to ask the right question of it, if I say what happened in such and such year, that mirrors this other event that I know was in the same astrological transit, it'll say, did it?
00:44:31:04 – 00:44:54:14
Unknown
Do you know, I mean, it might have taken me an hour to find that information, and I can bone it's incredible. The the, the as an astrological research tool, it's incredible. The, the it's like basically a really advanced search engine, you know, right. As it, as it stands today, which to me, it says it's at its infancy.
00:44:54:14 – 00:45:11:24
Unknown
We don't even know where it's going to go. And I think that is the part that that freaks some people out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now it's a, it's a, it's an incredibly powerful search engine. That depends on what we do with it. It's a tool. It. Yeah. It's. And look I am not look I still don't have a smartphone I man that.
00:45:11:24 – 00:45:28:23
Unknown
Can you believe that. That's right Gary I don't have a smartphone. You just have a flip phone. You don't have a smart. I had a flip phone. I got rid of the flip phone. So now you just have a landline? Yep. Wow. That's amazing. I have a laptop, and I could do everything I need to do computer wise with the laptop.
00:45:29:02 – 00:45:51:22
Unknown
Wow. And because I get it, like, technology is a two edged sword, it cuts both ways. And I saw that way before most people. Oh, smartphones. It's the best thing. And then oh wow, this kind of sucks too. Yes. Yeah. So absolutely. Everything does 100%. I mean, when I, when I first came out, when it, when cars first came out what
00:45:51:24 – 00:45:59:19
Unknown
there's always going to be that ooh the people that can see that it's not going to be all good that there's, there's things that we need to be aware of.
00:45:59:22 – 00:46:22:06
Unknown
And I think we just need to take it all into consideration. It's not going away. That's the thing. I don't think so. That's the thing. Yeah, exactly. And so so at this point it's like let's let's be as informed as we can. Let's be as forward thinking as we can. I mean, especially having children. I'm thinking about, you know, I, I don't want them to cripple their own creativity in their own,
00:46:22:06 – 00:46:26:03
Unknown
you know, there's a way that we can become so reliant on it that we just literally stop thinking.
00:46:26:03 – 00:46:43:10
Unknown
But yeah, I thought that too, about when we got calculators, you know, now we're going to stop doing. Nobody's going to be able to do math, right? I mean, and it's true on some level, like the simplest thing is I'm reaching for this little do this stuff. I really need to do. But yeah, I mean, you know, it.
00:46:43:10 – 00:47:04:04
Unknown
Yes, yes and yes. And it's both. And like the glyph for Uranus is bifurcated. It is it has one to the to the future and one to the past. Well you know, yes it's bifurcated. It's like that God Janus of you know that January's named after. It's a two faced god. It's a two edged sword. And so, yes, both.
00:47:04:04 – 00:47:31:05
Unknown
But both things are true. Focusing on either all positive or all negative is not the whole truth, right? Well, no. And you have Uranus in Gemini, which is also the two. So you have the it's doubly bifurcating. Whoa. Interesting. Exactly. That's why I think why it's like, you know, this nature of the sign agrees with the nature of the planet, and that's why we get these huge explosions of technology when when it's in there.
00:47:31:05 – 00:47:53:05
Unknown
Because and it's crossing the. So think about this for a second. When a planet people I don't think people understand this and it's a little bit technical, but I think I can make it pretty simple because planets are not always on the ecliptic plane. Planets have their own orbits around the sun. The ecliptic plane is. The is the path of the Earth around the sun.
00:47:53:07 – 00:48:17:04
Unknown
Planets have their own planes now. They're all generally along one main, you know, within a certain range about ten degrees within each other. But they have their own now the the star Regulus, for instance, people say, oh, well, you can't, you know, so you have to project stars on to the ecliptic. Well, yeah, most of the time you have to project planets on to the ecliptic too.
00:48:17:06 – 00:48:39:16
Unknown
And most of the time that your average planet is further from the ecliptic than Regulus. Regulus is only a half a degree from the ecliptic. Wow. So think about it this way. It's like when you take a supplement, or if I take I got a I got an energy drink on top of the fridge. I was thinking about drink it before we got on there, but I'm kind of glad that we didn't even need it.
00:48:39:18 – 00:49:02:04
Unknown
I didn't need it. Yeah, I'm pretty hyped up, but just by doing my thing. Yeah, but if I drank that, you know, it would give me a little burst of energy and maybe I'd go run up the hill or whatever. And, but if I take a, B vitamins shot, that's going to really affect me a lot more then, because it doesn't have to go through my digestive system.
00:49:02:07 – 00:49:26:11
Unknown
Right. That's the same difference between a planet being, you know, close to the ecliptic or being right on it. Uranus is literally like injecting its energy into the Earth plane when it's in Gemini. So it's this, like direct injection of Uranian energy. And that's that's probably, you know, I mean, Saturn and Neptune on the Aries point is kind of an injection too.
00:49:26:13 – 00:49:50:24
Unknown
But Uranus in Gemini is probably the strongest archetype of the year in that, it's because it's near its North Node. It's really going to be, calling on us to. Yeah, examine our relationship with technology and how much is enough to do what we need to do. And if you're a mother, I gotta include my children in that.
00:49:50:24 – 00:50:12:11
Unknown
Or if you, you know or, you know, I'm I'm an uncle, so you know, there's that. But, you know, I'm a teacher, so I gotta be able to handle enough technology to to do my thing with all of my clients and students and, and so, you know, and how much is actually too much, you know, like, I'm, I, I figure out, like, I'm not going to deal with one of those phones.
00:50:12:11 – 00:50:39:00
Unknown
I'm not I'm not a phone person. Right. And I figured out how to do it. And so modulating that, that, situation with the Gemini archetype because Gemini. Yeah. To when, when Gemini figures out that too much is has been arrived at, it's usually a little late. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? Gemini is they're just,
00:50:39:02 – 00:50:58:17
Unknown
Yeah. No, no. Yeah. It's like. Yeah. Yep. But you know, you're saying to yourself, oh, boy. And then a little while later they go, well, maybe we should kind of call it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Right. Like when you're really in it, it's usually that you get a little farther along than than if you're not in it. You know what I'm saying?
00:50:58:17 – 00:51:28:21
Unknown
So it's one of those that can get kind of carried away. And so knowing like where you are with, how much comfort level you are, have and again, it's like, like I said, you know, with computers it's garbage in, garbage out. So yeah, like, if you want to just if you want to use it for targeted, asking targeted questions, especially if you're completely ignorant about something, becoming educated by AI on something you're completely ignorant about.
00:51:28:21 – 00:51:42:12
Unknown
It's probably not the way you probably want to read a book or two first, and then use AI to take the ideas you've got from the book and tweak them a little bit. You see what I'm saying? I've absolutely. I mean,
00:51:42:13 – 00:51:54:08
Unknown
when I think about people playing with astrology, with I know the amount of errors I've received, and the only reason I know it's an error is because I know enough astrology to know that you're telling me something totally wrong.
00:51:54:10 – 00:52:11:22
Unknown
So if you were just relying on it for that, that would be definitely not a good idea. And that's just one subject matter. So if you take exactly across other subject matters that I might not know as much about, I might not know to to double check and make sure that what it's saying is actually true. You could definitely get into tricky territory there.
00:52:11:22 – 00:52:12:24
Unknown
At the same time, I
00:52:13:00 – 00:52:42:22
Unknown
just sent my subscribers, my members, a 40 page little, copy of a conversation that I had with the AI about, making Pleiades talismans and, I mean, the amount of information that it was able to put all in one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, there was a few things a couple of my more discerning members were like, yeah, but that one part, Gary is B.S. and I'm like, yeah, but you know, I just copied and pasted the whole thing because fishing through it was, you know.
00:52:42:22 – 00:53:17:19
Unknown
Yes, yes. So, Gary, let's let's talk about the final, archetype or two. We I yeah. Pluto. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Neptune is going to be an Aries tune. Yeah. And so, you know, that's a really dramatic difference. And that really shifts, you know, for a long time we had the outer planets that most of them were in the last four signs of the zodiac and the last four signs of the zodiac are kind of collective in a similar way to the, to the outer planets.
00:53:17:21 – 00:54:05:01
Unknown
But the first four signs of the zodiac are very personal. So with Neptune shifting into Aries, that shifts. Now we've got two of the three outer planets in the personal art, you know, have Uranus and Gemini and Neptune an Aries. And Pluto is still in the more collective signs. So that's, I think, going to shift things from somewhat from, you know, being super aware of like the collective and kind of like that getting the front page news versus like more personal interest, kind of like, what's this have to do with me, my family, my neighborhood, a little more, yeah.
00:54:05:01 – 00:54:42:04
Unknown
I think it's going to shift things a little more to the person because, you know, Aries is now just I am it's just like about that really pure awareness of being. And so that spiritual ability to be in the moment and to drop all the noise, that's, I think, going to become like the real I think people are going to realize how saturated they've been with collective noise, and they're going to start seeking out this quiet moments of like, I'm just here now.
00:54:42:06 – 00:54:46:06
Unknown
I find myself really needing that. Oh my gosh, me too. Gary.
00:54:46:12 – 00:54:52:12
Unknown
Yeah, more than ever. Like multiple times a day. Yes, I really need that.
00:54:52:15 – 00:55:30:20
Unknown
And, you know, there's this one guy that I follow and, Substack. His name is Damien Echols. He's a, Well, I mean, he's famous for being, you know, wrongly imprisoned for many years. And then he became a ceremonial magician and is also like a Zen master now, you know, and he talks all the time about how all of the spiritual arts, all of the spiritual disciplines, all of the techniques, everything, it's all designed for that to help you be here now, that's literally that's that's that's enlightenment.
00:55:30:22 – 00:56:07:01
Unknown
That's being here, fully present here. Now, that's the thing. And so I think Neptune in Aries to me feels like that, like that's going to really become the gold standard of rather than like how many followers you got. How many like, how present is that? Is the person. Yeah. Yeah. And that's exciting because, that presence, when you're really present with people, there's, it's a, it's a, it's an incredible feeling.
00:56:07:01 – 00:56:28:05
Unknown
It's an incredible it's an incredibly alive feeling. You know, even when I'm out stargazing, that's one of the reasons why I love stargazing so much. Because my feet are on the ground. My eyes are in the sky. But it I'm in an in the moment. I'm not I don't I'm not thinking about like the news or or what I have to do for work tomorrow.
00:56:28:05 – 00:56:59:08
Unknown
I'm like, just in the moment with this incredible being of earth and sky, you know what I'm saying? And it's just incredibly enlivening. And when you're with people who are able to be like that, there's a, I don't even know what you would call it. It's energizing, it's soulful, and it you can totally feel it. So I that's what's exciting to me about Neptune and Aries and then Pluto in Aquarius.
00:56:59:08 – 00:57:22:18
Unknown
We've had that for a while. We've been feeling that, you know, the archetype or I think you know what's interesting? I've had this a little bit of this conversation. People tend to in a kind of a new age or modern astrology kind of. They associate Aquarius with the collective, they think it's about groups because the 11th house is about groups.
00:57:22:18 – 00:57:52:24
Unknown
And there's a conflation between the Aquarius and the 11th house. Right. Look, the Aquarius is midwinter, okay? In. That's the time of year when a lot of people are. They're most isolated, actually. Oh, yeah. See what I'm saying? So yes, it's not necessarily in a classical sense. It's not necessarily baked in that it's about the collective. Now, if we think about it in terms of awareness.
00:57:53:01 – 00:58:14:08
Unknown
So if we just go through the zodiac really quickly as like, as a agricultural calendar in Aries, the new year, the grass is green. Oh, it's time to get going. I need to plow the ground and get ready for. And then in Taurus, we plant the seeds. In Gemini there's nothing to do but wait. So we go over and see the neighbors and socialize.
00:58:14:10 – 00:58:32:03
Unknown
Cancer. We're nurturing and water and then caring for the seeds and Leo, we're letting the sun, you know, grow with them. Virgo is the sign of harvest. Then in Libra, we have to weigh the harvest and see how much we got. And we have to figure out this person gets this much to pay, this bill and so on.
00:58:32:05 – 00:58:42:05
Unknown
And then the tax collector comes with Scorpio and takes their cut. And then if we got any left over in Sagittarius, we throw a party.
00:58:42:07 – 00:59:02:05
Unknown
You know what I'm saying. Yeah. And then Capricorn comes and we go, oh food. Yeah. I gotta make it through the winter. Like I'm going to ration everything out to make sure. And then by the time we get to Aquarius, it's like, okay, I have enough to make it through the winter. And and there's another season coming, but it's not here yet.
00:59:02:07 – 00:59:27:02
Unknown
So let me expand my awareness into like, what am I going to plant this year? And about how am I going to do it a little bit differently? So Aquarius is about innovation. We don't need Uranus to be the ruler of it or it to be associated with the 11th house. For it to be about, it's about expanding your awareness to the, the, the whole cycle and preparing for a new cycle.
00:59:27:04 – 01:00:20:18
Unknown
That kind of is a much more natural signification of Aquarius. And so that idea of like situating this now when we're not just being in the now, which unfortunately we can't always, it's nice when we can, but when we're not simply being in the now, learning appropriate and not appropriate ways to situate this now within something bigger, and learning which was work and which was don't and how people situate this now in ways to manipulate us through advertising or whatever, and how people situate this in ways to, you know, get us to give them money or, you know, for donations or and how we can situate it for ourselves in a way that actually
01:00:20:18 – 01:00:54:17
Unknown
puts our interests and, and, and make sure that we're not getting manipulated or taken advantage of. You know, that, to me, is like the real Aquarian because, you know, it's not necessarily, to me, Aquarius is more about individuation than collective. And when I say not individual, that's Aries. Individuation is actually becoming completely yourselves. Okay. Yeah, I remember, do you know who Noel tell is?
01:00:54:17 – 01:01:17:00
Unknown
Do you remember Noel to. I feel like that was Rick's first teacher. I think Rick Levine's first teacher. Yeah, that was big back in the 70s and 80s. And, I remember seeing in a book, you know, I don't know where he came up with the number, but he goes, the least possible combination of astrological factors is that it was like seven, eight, nine digits, whatever is a big number.
01:01:17:02 – 01:01:47:14
Unknown
And I mean, that's me. That's my relationship to math. Is is a very big number. And he said yes. And he said, ponder this. The tremendous responsibility that it is for anyone to fully embody any particular astrological chart. And I was like. You know, in terms of psychology, we have a we have a discussion about some personalities.
01:01:47:14 – 01:02:14:01
Unknown
And this is not like schizophrenia or multiple personality. It's not like that is like literally there's Amanda as a mother. There's Amanda as a small business owner. There's Amanda as a partner. Whether it be in business or otherwise. There's Amanda just chilling at the beach, you know what I'm saying, right? We have some personalities and, and we, you know, some of them get more attention than others, man.
01:02:14:01 – 01:02:21:05
Unknown
And some parts of our target more of attention. So to me, like that collective is actually us.
01:02:21:07 – 01:02:39:10
Unknown
Oh, that collective is actually all of our parts actually getting that what they need and coming into coherence as a whole. That's the collective that Aquarius represents some fascinating. I love that so much, Gary. Yeah. I mean,
01:02:39:10 – 01:02:46:17
Unknown
and then when we are in coherence with all these aspects of ourselves, we naturally have more to give to the quote unquote collective.
01:02:46:20 – 01:03:14:14
Unknown
But it starts here 100%, not with the focus on the collective. Oh, why? Because if you got to finish it, though, because we didn't do Pisces. So what's what's Pisces in your, your cycle journey? Oh, that's what that's oh, yeah, I know the bias is out there going, what do I do with it? Yes. So Aquarius is about like innovating and looking and looking at the bigger picture and forming.
01:03:14:14 – 01:03:39:06
Unknown
And then Pisces it to some degree it's about waiting, you know, like we have all these plans but it's not spring yet. And so what do we do with that liminal time of like waiting and and that's when, you know, it's kind of like, Joseph Campbell talked about, like, we have to let go of the life we planned in order to find the life that's waiting for us.
01:03:39:08 – 01:04:08:15
Unknown
Pisces being a double bodied sign, the mutable signs are all double bodied. They're really good at adjusting things. And so understanding, like all those ideas that we came up as the Mad Scientists and Aquarius, maybe not all of them are going to work. And in fact, maybe spirit has other plans. And when spirit, you know, there's a famous saying when you know, people plan and God laughs because God's got a plan for you too.
01:04:08:17 – 01:04:34:22
Unknown
And when you make plans that don't go well at better, like God's want you to go over here and you're going where he's going. Yeah. Yeah. This guy right? Yeah. Oh my god. Exactly. He laughs. Yeah. And so and so or however you envision that. Yeah. And so you might begin to get whispers of, hey no we're nice, nice try.
01:04:34:24 – 01:05:03:01
Unknown
But really it's over here. Right. You know, and you might. So this idea of like in the waiting, receiving something bigger and adjusting the plans that you made to allow for something bigger. And then in areas like off we go, you know, so it's. Yeah, it's like one big, process of becoming, you know. Yes, yes, yes.
01:05:03:07 – 01:05:24:00
Unknown
Gary, you you brought up your book earlier in the episode. I have had an exact, mirror of an experience with my own book. Right. How as. That's right. You're doing a book this year, too. Yes, but I thought it was going to be a book in 2025. And it's the same kind of thing. Or as, like, that's your plan, but that's not the plan.
01:05:24:06 – 01:05:50:16
Unknown
And you're going to have to let go of your plan and be okay with it being in 2026. And it's funny because I my little plan was that this book is is an ending for me, because it's almost like putting the bow on an entire segment of my life and offering it to people as a completion. However, it appears that this book wants to be even more of a beginning, but I had never thought of it that way.
01:05:50:18 – 01:06:24:01
Unknown
And so it's really, I feel like this is another maturation that we're all being asked to embody in a new way. Like when we were talking about Neptune and Saturn going, you know, beginning at Aries, that there is this waiting, this patience for a bigger plan that, you know, we we don't have control over. And so there's such a surrender in in this moment, December 29th, when this episode is airing, we're still in that Pisces very much, very much Pisces in Capricorn.
01:06:24:01 – 01:06:41:23
Unknown
Yeah. Like yeah. The Yin. Yeah, yeah. The year starts with like I said, all of them are in water and Earth except for Pluto. Yeah. You know, and so there's a quiet sort of, you know, it's like the, the nativity scene with, you know, with baby Jesus, you know, laying in the manger like it's really calm and peaceful.
01:06:42:00 – 01:07:16:02
Unknown
Yeah, but there's this light that's shining on that, there's this higher awareness that is guiding that, you know, and they and they very much had to be, you know, open to that. That's how they managed to get where they were safely with the baby, you know. And so that's what Pisces is like, that openness to divine guidance where, yeah, you want to be Aquarius and you want to be innovative and you want to have good ideas and you want to think things through and and be responsible.
01:07:16:02 – 01:07:22:13
Unknown
But then you have to be able to accept that that's not the final word.
01:07:22:15 – 01:07:38:07
Unknown
All right, you guys. Well, I know that Gary had a lot of other things planned for us for this podcast episode. We definitely went into some interesting, places that I don't think that Gary, you had planned. How well know. That's all right.
01:07:38:11 – 01:07:43:12
Unknown
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Argo, this is exactly what we were just talking about. We have plans.
01:07:43:12 – 01:07:58:18
Unknown
Gods laughing, and it is what it is. But we do have more opportunities to connect with Gary. So like I said at that forecast event, January 20th and 21st in the inner circle, which in January we're going to be having our promotional period for the inner Circle.
01:07:58:18 – 01:08:21:01
Unknown
So it would be a great time if you've been thinking about it, to jump into the inner circle, have Gary as one of your first mentor teachers. Gary, what's your mastery class going to be on Big Stars? Oh, I love big stars. Fixed stars is getting more and more interesting to me and and more and more relevant and more and more like the predictive qualities of them.
01:08:21:06 – 01:08:51:17
Unknown
Not don't mean predictive, like telling the future, but it just they seem way more important than we give them credit for. And yes, astronomy, several new nations this year that are, with fixed stars. Just briefly, we have, the January full moon is conjunct serious. The May full moon is conjunct entries, and, and the November full moon has, like, three out of four of the royal stars are activated.
01:08:51:22 – 01:09:15:18
Unknown
Well, so, and we're in the season now where the moon is very close to the Pleiades every month, and that only happens every 18 years. So there's a lot of fixed star stuff to, to play with. Yeah. You know, the. So genius Hawaiians believed that they're actually from the Pleiades. Wow. Yeah. So there's a massive connection to Hawaii in the Pleiades.
01:09:15:24 – 01:09:46:15
Unknown
I mean, their whole Amaka Kiki four month festival is all timed with the rising of the Pleiades on the eastern horizon, and it's incredible, I know, so it's very, very prominent. So yeah. Mythos here. Yeah. So I, I'm always fascinated by it. Very cool. Yeah, yeah. Okay. You guys, thank you. I hope this is one of those episodes where we're thinking it's long and you're thinking, I want more or more because there's more to come.
01:09:46:18 – 01:09:59:00
Unknown
There is 7th January. Yeah. There's so much more to come. So just wishing you all an amazing new year. Thank you so much for being a part of this community. Happy New Year everybody. Yes, and for making astrology a part of your life.
01:09:59:00 – 01:10:19:12
Unknown
It is so much fun to be able to share these conversations with you. Share the wisdom of the astrologers that we feature here, and hopefully get you excited about being like Gary when he's out with his feet on the earth and his eyes to the sky, so connected to both earth and sky, this is what we hope to inspire in all of you.
01:10:19:12 – 01:10:29:20
Unknown
So thank you for being here. And Gary, thank you for sharing so much today. It was awesome. So great to be here always. All right. Take care everybody. We'll see you on the next episode.