[2026 Prep Series] Debra Silverman on emotional maturity, embodiment & inner work ahead
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- 00:00 — Saturn Neptune conjunction in Aries
- 06:05 — Pluto in Aquarius trining Uranus in Gemini
- 16:49 — Debra’s most important takeaway for 2026
- 22:18 — Dynamic between the outer planets
- 33:31 — Debra’s chart reading technique
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When Debra Silverman was just 20 years old, she met an Astrologer who blew her mind and changed her world forever. It was then that she realized the stars in her own world had aligned just right, and she had found her life’s purpose. Debra went on to deeply study the mind and body, earning a Bachelor’s degree in Psychology & Dance from York University and a Master’s degree in Clinical Psychology from Antioch University.
Over the past 45+ years of professional experience and private practice, she has specialized in helping thousands of individuals achieve emotional health and wisdom based on their unique personality and the four elements: water, air earth, and fire. Her work with families, individuals, and couples has her standing out in a sea of therapists and coaches.
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Transcript:
00:00:05:02 – 00:00:07:07
Unknown
the shifts of 2026.
00:00:07:07 – 00:00:27:18
Unknown
I'm so excited. You know, it's a it's a Gemini dream that the world would turn into fire and air. So February 15th, for the first time in 30 years, Saturn enters Aries. And so what we're going to see is a collective without a question, we're not there yet. We had a glimpse of it because it went retrograde. We did have a moment of it
00:00:27:20 – 00:00:31:00
Unknown
is this planet requires action now.
00:00:31:03 – 00:00:34:10
Unknown
We've been in dreamland in Pisces for two and a half years.
00:00:34:13 – 00:00:56:05
Unknown
We were doing everything from pretending business as usual. We were microdosing, we were doing ayahuasca, we were taking psilocybin. We were considering all about the dream time and getting lost in cyberspace and love and and there's nothing wrong with Pisces. It's just that it left us disembodied when it came down to what are we going to do?
00:00:56:05 – 00:01:22:23
Unknown
So when it enters Aries and Neptune stands right next to it for three months and they stand together. Their exact degree that happened last time during the Civil War, and it's happened in 1952 and 53, Saturn and Neptune conjunct it. It's happened several times, but at this point it's an Aries. So it's going to activate Neptune. The dream about war has got to get reinvented.
00:01:23:00 – 00:01:40:21
Unknown
Neptune in Pisces Neptune in Aries is a reinvention. Neptune like the planet that brings us beyond the veil. Another reality. And it's an Aries. Like, what would we do? And Saturn's there to say, okay, let's get practical about how we're going to reinstate the action oriented Aries energy, which is male.
00:01:40:23 – 00:01:45:06
Unknown
And isn't it interesting that all over the planet, the men, the poor men.
00:01:45:08 – 00:01:57:05
Unknown
Oh, yeah. But they should be. I mean, it's truthfully, it's not poor men. They had too much power for too long. The whole system is broken. But when Saturn enters areas, we all start to consider what is the new male?
00:01:57:11 – 00:02:03:09
Unknown
What is work? What is the nature of our youth? How are we going to have two political parties?
00:02:03:13 – 00:02:23:10
Unknown
Because Center Neptune, when they were together, was a civil war. So it's coming back together in a time when the politics and certainly in America, all over the world, there's such a split between the right and the left. So that is the Neptunian rewrite of Aries with Saturn standing by going, yeah, you better get this thing together, because I'm sick of this.
00:02:23:10 – 00:02:39:13
Unknown
So something's going to shift in the collective around male, around fighting, around arguing at the high level. We might reintroduce a healthy version of the male, which I think it's showing up. My I have sons and I see a new version of male in my world.
00:02:39:15 – 00:02:56:10
Unknown
Yeah, I do too, Deborah. You know what this is reminding me of is the part in the book, in my book, that I wrote about when I had a past life regression experience, and in it I was a general in a war or some high ranking person in a war.
00:02:56:12 – 00:03:07:00
Unknown
And I looked out on the battlefield and everybody was dead. And so this was the moment before I took my own life in this dream. Because because I had to
00:03:07:02 – 00:03:23:02
Unknown
because there was the only honorable thing to do. Whoa. And, and that my final thought before that happened was I led them the wrong way. And then I got to have the experience out of my body.
00:03:23:04 – 00:03:27:04
Unknown
And when I was out of my body, like, in-between, you know, after death,
00:03:27:06 – 00:03:46:14
Unknown
the only thing I could feel was compassion for the confusion, for the blindness, for the the attachment I had to my cause, for my feeling that I was right and they were wrong and we were against each other when really we weren't. And really, we don't need to be.
00:03:46:16 – 00:04:07:13
Unknown
So it's reminding me of what you just said, that that gets you to full story. And it got me. I got the willies. And this is the right use. By the way, of Saturn in Pisces the last two and a half years, the return to conversation about past slides, all the information, all that, that's all. Pisces. And now you being willing in this moment in time to tell us a dream.
00:04:07:13 – 00:04:26:14
Unknown
Was it a dream that you had or it was. It was an actual past life regression session with a woman who saw that I had she. Well, it's a long story. It's in the book. So but she, you know, she could tell that I had, a traumatic response that was out of proportion to the situation I was in.
00:04:26:16 – 00:04:46:15
Unknown
So she said, there's something there for you, and it's probably not logical. It's probably beyond your realm of awareness. And then so much came up. It was amazing. But it really it really was that what you just said? Like we're due we've been doing this war thing for a long time. Know it doesn't it doesn't work. It doesn't work.
00:04:46:15 – 00:05:00:07
Unknown
No. We want a war. Doesn't even make. You can't win at war, right? Yeah. There's the rewrite starting in. It's so wonderful. February 15th Saturn goes into areas
00:05:00:09 – 00:05:18:00
Unknown
and it's going to last for two and a half years. And I. And our whole school is, you know, is all about Saturn. So I spent a lot of time asking the question, this is my mantra in this lifetime that I've grown up with because it's my dad points to Saturn is what am I doing here and how can I best serve?
00:05:18:02 – 00:05:35:15
Unknown
That's the questions I live with. What am I doing on Planet Earth? And Saturn describes it, and it's in my book that I don't believe in astrology book. I do a whole rewrite on the value of Saturn because it got left behind. It's I love what Liz Green did a new look at the old devil and then the row deck.
00:05:35:15 – 00:05:57:09
Unknown
The devil is Saturn, so it is important. And in Aries, what an updated version to consider a male forgiveness for him set like what you just described was it's quintessential Aries. I looked at the field, I saw the death. I left my body and went, oh, so much compassion for what did we just
00:05:57:13 – 00:06:08:16
Unknown
do? Yes, yes. And we were just so blind we couldn't see the truth from that vantage point on that battlefield, the next transit that's in the heavens right now, which is remarkable.
00:06:08:21 – 00:06:29:02
Unknown
So Pluto is an Aquarius and it's Pluto in Aquarius is going to be training Uranus in Gemini. It's been going on now. This is the entrance of I now think about it. So when Uranus was found in 1781 and I it's you know this it was in Gemini when they first found it. Oh wow. Okay. And what happened?
00:06:29:02 – 00:06:52:16
Unknown
Electricity arrived. And what did electricity due to the zeitgeist. Just like I changed as well. That's I it's being found when Uranus entered Gemini. But the difference is Pluto is training. It's such a beautiful aspect that's been going on now for a year. It's going to continue trying to because of course Pluto only moves three degrees in a year.
00:06:52:17 – 00:07:12:02
Unknown
Just rule. And Uranus in April and June and June comes into Gemini moving direct. So it's gone back into Taurus, but they'll go direct. And during that window, while Uranus in Gemini and Pluto in Aquarius start talking a new communication device arrives. Doesn't that make so much
00:07:12:07 – 00:07:19:06
Unknown
sense? That's cool. I so what Pluto trining this? What does that mean?
00:07:19:07 – 00:07:23:00
Unknown
The harmony between Aquarius and Gemini. Between Pluto and Uranus.
00:07:23:01 – 00:07:44:09
Unknown
These outer planets are saying, okay, let's introduce a futuristic that's Uranus, Pluto in Aquarius, that's futuristic language system, a communication device, an introduction of new operating systems for the human. So what we're going to start considering is what if we don't have to separate male and female in the old like that polarity.
00:07:44:09 – 00:08:09:24
Unknown
This is Neptune and Saturn together in Aries. What if we rewrite the male and the female and start considering? What I is going to say to us is, you guys, you have a bad operating system. It won't take long for AI to figure this out. Like the humans using things like war, the the guide of like the actual Gaia, what's happening to the host, the humans hurting the host.
00:08:10:01 – 00:08:21:04
Unknown
You know, the intelligent, logical system of AI is going to be supported to realize, oh, operating system dated needs update Pluto and Uranus. Go. We have this.
00:08:21:06 – 00:08:29:22
Unknown
We have an energetic on this planet that is channeling a higher frequency. Just like when electricity. You have to think about this.
00:08:29:24 – 00:08:31:21
Unknown
There was a time when we live by the stars.
00:08:31:21 – 00:08:56:08
Unknown
We couldn't go out during a new moon. You couldn't go outside and go hiking or go camping or everybody stayed in that night. Those three nights when it was pitch black, that was that just one clue. Another one was you never could take food and put it in the fridge. So food was going bad. You couldn't turn on air conditioning or heating when you were cold or hot, and you certainly couldn't get an airplane across the country.
00:08:56:08 – 00:09:20:03
Unknown
So this invention of electricity, which we could never have conceived in 1781, is very similar to what's happening right now. With the support of this harmonious influence of Uranus and Pluto, saying, let's update the air, the consciousness, in a futuristic manner, which we can't see yet. But I had such as it sounds funny. I have such a strong Uranus.
00:09:20:07 – 00:09:46:04
Unknown
I know it just sounds bad, but it's in my chart. It's it's on the top of my chart. It actually trines my Saturn Trines my, Pluto. It trains my moon. It's exact degree sextile styling my son I love my Uranus. It sounds funny, but it means that I've always been ahead of my time. Like I was the girl in university in the 80s that said to my supervisor in graduate school, I'm going to do a project in astrology, in psychology.
00:09:46:04 – 00:10:08:21
Unknown
And she said, what? What did you just say? I was like, I have Uranus on my Midheaven. I want to invent. Another way to present this issue is like, we don't like this idea. I was like, oh, yes, you do. I mean, my Uranus was in Lee, it's in Leo. I'm like, and I did it. I went to graduate school and studied psychology and astrology for anyone that's interested, that's at my school is.
00:10:09:00 – 00:10:37:09
Unknown
Yes. Deborah, it's really interesting that you're bringing up this electricity thing and all of the changes that it created, which we've only like, scratched the surface of, of truly all the changes. Right? Oh, it's everywhere. And it's funny because there's also a movement to sort of undo some of the effects. So for example, people realizing that the artificial light impacts our sleep patterns, our hormones.
00:10:37:11 – 00:10:40:22
Unknown
So, you know, we're all wearing red, red light glasses
00:10:41:00 – 00:10:57:02
Unknown
to block the the effects of it. And we're trying to get out more in the sun. And so it's like it's such a mixed bag, right. With any of the new developments are there's going to be the pros and the cons. There's going to be the benefits, and then there's going to be the things that don't work.
00:10:57:08 – 00:11:28:05
Unknown
So with Pluto training this, what is that saying about the technological advancements itself? It's accelerating everything. It's making an easy pathway because the support from the cosmos, which is why AI is going at the speed of light, because you get to air signs, you've got Plutonian energy with Uranus or two outer planets that are incredibly intense. I mean, think about Pluto, found in 1930.
00:11:28:07 – 00:11:38:19
Unknown
At the moment it was found Einstein found nuclear power. That's what happened. Hitler discovered that he could control the unconscious. And Freud made up a word called unconscious.
00:11:38:21 – 00:11:52:23
Unknown
When Pluto arrived, it brought such a strong dark and light influence. When Uranus was found, we had a French Revolution and an American Revolution in 1780s. So those two planets are very impactful to the zeitgeist.
00:11:53:02 – 00:12:20:10
Unknown
And they're dancing and they're talking. There's training and they're both in air, and they're trying to update our communication style, which is why we're on zoom right now talking about astrology. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Deborah. So these are like big picture changes. And I know we'll go into a few more transits, but how are you seeing that both the theme around war and the theme around AI and technology and advancements impacting us as individuals.
00:12:20:12 – 00:12:38:24
Unknown
So I really why I love astrology is I pretend like you're going to go to Costco with me. We're going to buy a big box of Windex. We're gonna have three bottles of Windex, and you're going to clean out your left brain. This is what astrology is for. Let's activate the right. Because when you use these things all day and scroll, notice that you can't remember numbers anymore.
00:12:39:03 – 00:12:56:00
Unknown
I used to have a mercury in Taurus. An amazing memory for numbers. You. Then I didn't have to remember anyone's phone number and it's kind of gone limp. So what does astrology do? It activates your left brain. It keeps the activity of reading, which is one of my favorite things to do that got lost in this crazy era we're in.
00:12:56:04 – 00:13:16:01
Unknown
So this is required for us to be in the future. We've got to catch up with the ability for the mind to stay active, while at the same time we have to open up our right brain. Just why I love astrology because it's false and in the right brain. This is a compassion. This is when you turn off the lights and you take your shoes off and you're barefoot.
00:13:16:01 – 00:13:34:06
Unknown
You and I did it together. I do it every day. This is when we go quiet. We meditate. We go to your left brain. Both are required. However, we're leaning over to. This is certain places. Our whole society is conaghan soft and focus and sleepy and not really reading as much. And certainly our
00:13:34:11 – 00:13:38:03
Unknown
attention span is gone. That's the left brain.
00:13:38:03 – 00:13:43:19
Unknown
So we've got to keep these two active. And what's required is the individual for each of you guys watching
00:13:43:21 – 00:14:06:19
Unknown
is my answer to every question is the four elements is unless you're paying attention every day. Do I do my water? Am I quiet? It's a real question to ask everyone do I have rituals in the morning? Do I make sure when I start the day in the shower, in the bath, in the, you know, drinking the tea or the coffee or going to the bathroom and peeing and then making sure that I do my prayers.
00:14:06:19 – 00:14:24:23
Unknown
That's the beginning of the day. Everyone should be doing this. This is the answer to your question. Then the air now I have a whole bunch of things on my schedule, said the little Gemini. And I make sure that I pace myself and I turn down my computer and turn off my phone when needed, but I use it.
00:14:24:23 – 00:14:45:11
Unknown
I've introduced AI into my story. I just did it the other day for the first time. And so air is the communication device. It's your friendships. It's real community. It's why I love you. Like I can text you when you text back. People are stopping texting. Just you notice they put their phones down, know people have stopped communicating in the name of friendship.
00:14:45:13 – 00:14:50:01
Unknown
The kids don't do it. They talk on the phone rather than in person
00:14:50:03 – 00:15:07:05
Unknown
000 rather than in person. Yeah. They're texting. Oh, they don't use their voice anymore. So air is the element of keeping community real, which is what you are masterful at, you little Aquarius Rising that the mastery is is my community alive? This is what my school is about.
00:15:07:07 – 00:15:25:16
Unknown
Can I be my unique self and be accepted for how weird I am? Because everyone has air in their chart and they have to get spoken to and understood. Or we live in a very isolated, lonely world. So first is the water. You be quiet, then is the air. Who am I communicating and how am I communicating? And is it connected to my water, to my heart?
00:15:25:21 – 00:15:44:10
Unknown
And then comes earth. Every day you know, this went so well with your hula studies. What's the practical relationship I have with my world, from my body to what I eat to how I work? And once again, I think the main theme of this upcoming era is pacing.
00:15:44:12 – 00:16:06:06
Unknown
Taking a breath, being conscious about working, but making sure that, like today, I've had the most beautiful. I knew I was doing this with you and I pace myself. I learned the name of earth to make sure that my feet are barefoot. I use, you know this we live in Hawaii, so we have this privilege. But it's not just in Hawaii when I'm when I live in Boulder, I watch the sunset.
00:16:06:08 – 00:16:29:15
Unknown
Like, make the Earth element authentic. I eat real food and I do it slowly. So Earth is the element that obsesses over I'm not doing enough. I'm not working enough. I don't have enough. I should be doing rather than hold on and go back to air, take a deep breath. Back to water. Oh that's right. I'm praying by my actions, by my work, and I've pace myself.
00:16:29:15 – 00:16:41:15
Unknown
And then the last, of course, is fire, which is my favorite. You probably know this. I'm riding on an electric bike and playing happy birthday every day. Like, if I'm not having fun, I'll be out of there. Thank you. Already knew that
00:16:41:17 – 00:16:49:15
Unknown
- Yes, yes, you have a lot of fun and it's great. And it's super inspiring to see.
00:16:49:17 – 00:17:26:12
Unknown
So you're saying that the, the most important thing for us to remember as we're moving into this new era of fire and earth is around pacing and also is around remembering the balance of the elements and making sure that day to day we are actually honoring that balance of elements 100% every. Yes. And it's so important. I've noticed that things like taking a moment to practice breathwork, or taking a moment to go outside in the sun and walk throughout the day like it used to be.
00:17:26:12 – 00:17:40:06
Unknown
A nice suggestion. Now I feel it is absolutely essential, and I don't know if it's because I'm getting older or if it truly is the times, and that it's true for all of us. It is absolutely the medicine in the tarot
00:17:40:11 – 00:17:50:22
Unknown
deck. First is the fool. The first card like you're crazy to even come here? Who comes to an incarnation without knowing your parents and not even knowing what your name is, and not even know what you're going to be in your reclaim your blindfold.
00:17:50:22 – 00:18:16:00
Unknown
It's silly. Then the very first card is the magician. Mercury is the card, and you have to figure out the four elements, because sitting on his desk are the four elements. You can't do magic here without your mercury intact. Your mind who absolutely masters. And my first book, The Missing Element, is just that. Like, I know it's so funny because sometimes I feel like this is back to my Mercury Taurus.
00:18:16:00 – 00:18:39:12
Unknown
Like, is it really this simple? I mean, is it or are we missing it because it's a simple. Yes. Because I, we think it needs to be complicated, and we only take things seriously when it's really complicated. And it seems really serious. And there's all kinds of research studies and, you know, not I'm not saying there's no research studies on this because there actually are.
00:18:39:18 – 00:19:00:09
Unknown
But it's kind of like this programing. I think we have that unless it's impressively complex, it doesn't have as much merit. And it's, you know, people don't take it as seriously. And I can say that in my lifetime, I wasn't good at water. Took me many years to learn how to meditate. Unnatural to Geminis. I'm a Gemini. Libra.
00:19:00:09 – 00:19:08:23
Unknown
It's unnatural, I learned it, I'm now I'm not good at it, but I've learned it. I was always really good at air, but I was dippy. You
00:19:08:23 – 00:19:21:01
Unknown
know, I could talk all day about nothing, and I had to master the deliberateness about my language and most of all, listening. So I tattooed on my arm the words listen in silent for air
00:19:21:03 – 00:19:23:00
Unknown
have the same letters.
00:19:23:02 – 00:19:39:12
Unknown
So in order to really listen, you go. And then I first I was really bad at like, I just didn't I didn't I didn't have the temper. I mean, I have the work ethic, but I didn't have the organizational skills. So there again, this is what I'm trying to say. One, it's very simple. And two, it's unnatural to go aim at.
00:19:39:12 – 00:19:57:24
Unknown
You're missing element and value. What you just said I'm going to go for a walk for Capricorn, to go for a walk in the sun, to make that part of her day is that's it's so unnatural. It's a thought, but it doesn't make sense for someone to meditate and do nothing. It's like you tell a Gemini, we're going to sit down, meditate, and I'm like, what?
00:19:57:24 – 00:20:10:10
Unknown
How? How long? And then happens at the end. Oh, nothing. I think I'll just keep talking. So I, I had to really reevaluate these four elements in depth and,
00:20:10:12 – 00:20:22:18
Unknown
and prepare for the future for me is and I feel like, you know, I'm coming around to 70 and I feel like now as an elder, I really mean what I say when I say follow the four elements.
00:20:22:18 – 00:20:46:14
Unknown
And that's in my school, you know, that's a very first class. That's that we study. Yes, yes. There were so funny yesterday. I was having a spirally moment and my Taurus man, I said, well, so what do you think? And he said, I think you need to eat some food, go for a walk, take a nap. I was like, oh, oh, you're so right.
00:20:46:16 – 00:20:56:03
Unknown
But I, I didn't even think of those things. You know, I gave him the full report on everything happening and that was what he said. But yes, I mean, this is this is these are the essentials. My
00:20:56:09 – 00:21:02:00
Unknown
favorite Taurus answer I think you need to go for a walk, eat some food and take a nap. Pick it out.
00:21:02:01 – 00:21:24:02
Unknown
Oh, Taurus. Yes, I know it was so great. And okay, that was. And that's medicine, but that's unnatural to a Capricorn on a mission. So everything about the four elements. This is what's so important about the future is we can't leave behind. Like you can't kiss an eye. It doesn't know how to meditate. It doesn't know how to make love.
00:21:24:02 – 00:21:35:16
Unknown
All the things that matter the most about the human condition right now should be cherished. You. Not only does it not know how to do those things,
00:21:35:18 – 00:21:51:20
Unknown
but it can't really speak to the complex. Well, it can speak to the complexity of what it takes to learn it, but it's just talk is not what it actually takes to embody any of these things, which I think you basically need to have a body and go through it.
00:21:51:20 – 00:21:54:24
Unknown
And like you said in the beginning, make mistakes and figure it out.
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Unknown
There's no real shortcut. Like I can give us prescriptions and lists and suggestions and all those. But at the end of the day, it comes back to actually doing these things, which is another thing you said in the very beginning that now is a time where we are going to be taking action.
00:22:10:19 – 00:22:37:02
Unknown
It's not going to be just thinking about things and talking about things and dreaming about things. It's going to be actually doing those things. Okay, tell us more. We have we have the, you know, the parents. Uranus in Gemini. Yes. Neptune. These are all the outer planets, Saturn and Neptune. Very. So we've covered all the planets. The dynamic between them in 2025, 2021, 2025 was subtle.
00:22:37:02 – 00:22:40:10
Unknown
The dynamic between them was a little confusing because it went forward and backward.
00:22:40:12 – 00:22:56:21
Unknown
In 2026, they all start to dance together. The Aries, you know, the two planets and areas with the Pluto in Aquarius. And I mean, this is like my flavors. I mean, you're that's why I'm so excited for people who know how to let go. Now I am just because of my Mercury in Taurus.
00:22:56:21 – 00:23:14:19
Unknown
I am old fashioned. You know this because remember the panel we were on with Ricky and I said, I don't want to be mean, but I'm not doing well. Guess what? I know who I am. Yeah, yeah, I was resistant. I said, I'm not done. I, I told everybody they were talking about I and I was like, oh, pass the mic, I'm not doing it.
00:23:14:24 – 00:23:20:20
Unknown
But. And November 24th this year, I picked up my phone and put it in the phone and I had a party.
00:23:20:22 – 00:23:33:18
Unknown
And you can see why it's so it's and now you can understand why it's like so clearly a game changer. I was the same way, Deborah. Like it wasn't until I actually started engaging with it where I went, oh God, oh my God.
00:23:33:18 – 00:23:54:22
Unknown
I can see now why this is going to change everything. But Deborah, the thing you said at that panel when you expressed your resistance, which I think was great because there's a lot of people that are like, I'm not some shape. Yeah, they're not in. Right, right. And that's okay. But not but and the thing that you said was I prefer to keep my feet on the ground.
00:23:54:24 – 00:24:14:07
Unknown
I prefer to be barefoot. I prefer this, you know, but what you were saying is true. And I remember when you were saying and I was like, but, Deborah, we can do both. We can, we can do it. We can do both like we don't. It doesn't have to be an either or. And it is a real risk, right, that we just spiral out.
00:24:14:07 – 00:24:37:10
Unknown
We lose complete touch with the ground, with the earth, with the place, with the people. All those things, I mean it. We are going to have to be so diligent about ourselves and, and really pay attention to how the overuse and the reliance and how it impacts our life. What you see it with your children. Oh, yes. I was just going to say our and our children.
00:24:37:12 – 00:24:59:11
Unknown
Yes, absolutely. And they're just going to grow up in such a different time. Like literally their world is going to just be simplicity came to the world and Pluto when Uranus was in Gemini, I can't believe it. And it's here again. So we didn't know what year. We had no idea that electricity would change the nature of the human condition.
00:24:59:13 – 00:25:21:21
Unknown
The same will be true with AI. Now to your point you guys. God forbid we lose the ability to kiss, to smell, to touch, to love, to have a best friend to hold hands like. Forget it. So I agree with you about both. However, keep your eye on the practical, elemental flavors of this existence. I'm sitting here holding a crystal eye.
00:25:22:00 – 00:25:43:11
Unknown
There is no way in this lifetime as the example, because I am a teacher, that I am ever going to take my attention off the smells. I wear essential oils from morning till night, the candles that I burn, the incense that I burn, the foods that I eat, the yum yum factor. I mean, I am a sensualist through and through and I can't play.
00:25:43:13 – 00:25:58:24
Unknown
And the more we engage with AI, the more those things actually become essential. Like again, my point. Yes, yes, the importance is even more amplified. Yes. Okay, so the dance between all these planets,
00:25:59:01 – 00:26:07:19
Unknown
it sounds to me when you were explaining that like they were sort of playing, they were they were trying each other on. They were like figuring out how they would dance.
00:26:07:19 – 00:26:22:23
Unknown
And now they're actually going to enter into a dance. And really, if we think about how we've been, how we have felt since 2020, really there's been this like awkward, like, how do we do this in this time? Like it's just everything has felt weird,
00:26:23:02 – 00:26:39:02
Unknown
changed, everything changed, everything changed. And there's the adjustment period. And so what I'm hearing you say is that as we move into 2026, would would you say that you feel individuals will start to feel like they have their groove, like they're actually where I was going to go.
00:26:39:06 – 00:27:02:15
Unknown
So think now we're back to the school. The more individuality, the more custom designed your essence is allowed to be without any apology that is going to create a tapestry for this planet that will be strong and stable. So bye bye, pretending bye bye, fitting in bye bye approval seekers like this whole. This is a gift of aging.
00:27:02:15 – 00:27:22:14
Unknown
You guys. I don't care what you think. I used to be Verizon really care about it. I was so distracted by the other. So what's going to happen is individuality. Now, here's where astrology comes in. Learning specifically, what is my life lesson? So I'll use my example. Saturn is my point in my yard, but also where my center is.
00:27:22:14 – 00:27:24:07
Unknown
It's in Leo. Sorry. It's
00:27:24:10 – 00:27:31:16
Unknown
you. It's insane. I got confused because I wish I was you. I'm so. I like you so much. So minds in Sagittarius. What does that mean?
00:27:31:20 – 00:27:41:22
Unknown
It means that this lifetime. I had to be really blunt and say shit and take the big picture and laugh when it wasn't funny and get into trouble.
00:27:41:23 – 00:27:58:11
Unknown
Because I was the one that said, Emperor, your balls are hanging out. And then everyone looked at me and I got it like shades of, you know, Tourette's. Like, I don't even know. I have no off button when it starts to happen. And people pay me a lot of money in sessions because they know that I'm going to give them the real thing and they will never.
00:27:58:13 – 00:28:24:13
Unknown
Now, that's not a fun life lesson in everyone's life. Lessons are drag everyone. Saturn is ouchie like you have. Your issues will address them. The point is, the closer I've become to my personalized, individualized relationship with my karma and my past lives of being, you know, strangled for being too blunt, for being ostracized because I was weird, for being banished, because I wouldn't follow the religion.
00:28:24:13 – 00:28:41:09
Unknown
I've been such an anarchist for so many lifetimes. And this lifetime. I came in and I found out it was safe. Me. So my karma shifted. I learned through my chart with my past lives. I got a clue of where I was coming from, and I learned enough to say to myself, we're going to change the narrative.
00:28:41:12 – 00:28:44:13
Unknown
You and now I live in Hawaii, so I've made a
00:28:44:15 – 00:28:57:08
Unknown
conscientious individualist decision to take the power, just like yours, of being the warrior that you were in that lifetime and turn it around. This life. And what helped me was astrology, because I realized my life lessons fire
00:28:57:10 – 00:29:00:19
Unknown
and if I didn't stand up for myself, was I didn't come this way.
00:29:00:21 – 00:29:25:13
Unknown
My childhood, I was I was self-conscious that I was so enthusiastic. I got the feeling really quickly that people were like, got it down years. And I could because I was Libra rising, but I had skin problems. I had an ulcer, I my whole system broke because I was shutting the system down. What does astrology do? It gives you back permission slip to change the karma.
00:29:25:15 – 00:29:43:24
Unknown
And you're saying that our individuality as we move into the future is going to be more and more important? The authenticity, the individuality, the thing that makes you absolutely unique is the thing to really invest in is the thing to really cultivate. So here you are,
00:29:44:01 – 00:29:44:23
Unknown
Saturn and Leo
00:29:44:23 – 00:29:53:13
Unknown
another thing in our system. We look at the degrees, 29 degrees of Leo. The very last moment for you to get the mastery, the sophisticated, matured
00:29:53:15 – 00:30:00:08
Unknown
that is is a natural to a Capricorn, is asking them to go meditate unless you have a nice structure.
00:30:00:08 – 00:30:02:22
Unknown
I know, I'm so proud. That's why I'm in love with you.
00:30:03:00 – 00:30:19:10
Unknown
You're doing everything that I hope the future will lead us into, which is go against your resistance. Do not let lazy come and get you. Turn around your negativity and become a member of my club. I don't care what religion you are, Joy, but it's under this.
00:30:19:10 – 00:30:37:09
Unknown
But this operating system is built to be insecure, indecisive, uncommitted, live in self, never let go with the thing that happened. Excuse me. I'd like a new operating system. Okay, well, Pluto and Uranus are working on it.
00:30:37:14 – 00:30:41:21
Unknown
Pluto in Aquarius, for the next ten years, we're going to have this introduction of Pluto.
00:30:41:21 – 00:30:48:06
Unknown
The power is now individuality. Aquarius. You just described. Aquarius. You you went this your whole book is about Aquarius. You
00:30:48:08 – 00:31:02:16
Unknown
broke every single rule. You should never have left New York. You should never have left your husband like everything you did was so Aquarius like, no. And that's what's required right now is for us to let go of the matrix, the dream that's so dated.
00:31:02:18 – 00:31:24:08
Unknown
And it's taken me to be honest. It's what the four elements, the practice of daily and I mean, people that know me know I do it daily of really I pre and I asked, you know, am I being authentic like I have to really challenge myself. I have an old friend lover coming to see me. It's just a total disclosure here on this little interview.
00:31:24:10 – 00:31:43:13
Unknown
And he's flying in today. Oh, and I've really watched my because I've known him for 40 years. I've watched my internal dialog going between like the love of my life to we're really good friends to I don't know, I'm just going to help him out too. Don't you dare help him out. Let him be like, I have 30,000 things going on in my head right now.
00:31:43:18 – 00:32:10:04
Unknown
And then I learned from this whole practice of my chart the best thing I can do in these moments. Mercury, Taurus. Just be quiet, sit still and watch what happens. Yes, you know how long it's taken me to go from neurotic, unbelievably wildfire, Grand Trine and Fire Deborah Silverman to using my chart with Saturn opposite my son, saying to myself, you learned Saturn and said you learned this lesson.
00:32:10:06 – 00:32:30:17
Unknown
Be quiet and listen. Oh, I had that tattooed on my arm. That's the high road of air. So it's the practice. It's aging is much better than they tell you. Just announcement. I'm loving this. And I've learned I'm doing some work right now in my body where they're releasing. I had a surgery many years ago and I just had this release session.
00:32:30:17 – 00:32:56:02
Unknown
I was like, wow, the amount that gets absorbed in the body when you age, if you don't release and this is back to Saturn, aging happens. Well, if the emotional body is allowed to stay fluid and we cry and we get angry and we get sad and we let ourselves be authentic. And this is back to your question what is the future if not the authentic human relishing, cherishing.
00:32:56:04 – 00:33:20:24
Unknown
And that's what I'm trying to do and it shows up in my chart. I have a very strong eighth house son, which is Scorpion. So I'm like, oh, like make this place alive and juicy, make me feel Deborah Silverman's authenticity or I don't want to play. But that was not how I started off this movie. I was really, I wouldn't say I was fake, but maybe I was fake, I was I definitely had the pleasure at the front of my chart.
00:33:20:24 – 00:33:31:10
Unknown
This is a classic symptom of error, Aquarius included, and it took me many years to take the high road. And that's what our whole school is about. There's a low road and a high road in every single class.
00:33:31:14 – 00:33:49:13
Unknown
when I look at someone's chart like I look at yours, there's very small details. I do address the art in the school, but I can so quickly because I learned astrology as a young person and I simplified it. So that's why I went there directly, because I'm all I see on your forehead is your chart.
00:33:49:15 – 00:33:50:10
Unknown
And it's true.
00:33:50:10 – 00:33:56:19
Unknown
I've spent my entire life. I just get this. I just had a dump. That sounds funny in.
00:33:56:21 – 00:34:06:17
Unknown
It's in GPS. What's that called? You know, the. So I used it because I'm doing this whole experiment about my history, which apparently I've never told online,
00:34:06:18 – 00:34:16:09
Unknown
I don't know. I have an eight year old son, so I don't like to talk about myself. And Pluto squares my son, so I diminish my ego. Well that stopped. I went into ChatGPT and I told him everything.
00:34:16:14 – 00:34:26:13
Unknown
And as a result of that, I realized how much I'm in love with astrology. It started when I was this big,
00:34:26:15 – 00:34:38:04
Unknown
And you are carrying the exact. So the reason why I love you so much is you're carrying the exact same light. We have the same job when we get done here and we go home, we're going to be in the same room.
00:34:38:06 – 00:34:53:03
Unknown
No, if we. So look at these two women, they brought astrology to the masses by endorsing all kinds of other people. We're doing a humanitarian effort to not make astrology exclusive. Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:53:05 – 00:35:02:24
Unknown
And we're doing it out of love, which I just, you know, it's so like it feeds us both to do that. And we love it.
00:35:03:01 – 00:35:25:16
Unknown
And we both have a yard. Can I just share your chart? I mean, yes, these are our astrology students listening to this. Right. So this know that the astrology okay. So here we go I'm going to share my screen and outcomes. Get ready a large version of your chart. And this is what's so astounding. Now I don't know about you guys, but I really have a high value for your odds.
00:35:25:17 – 00:35:46:18
Unknown
The word is ridiculous. It's a Hebrew word. Yod means finger, and it means you've been pointed out. So it requires a very tight aspect. Saturn's a 29, Jupiter's A 27, and the sun's at 28 and 29. The sun and Venus. And so it has to be within three degrees. All the other aspects in astrology are 5 to 10 degrees.
00:35:46:18 – 00:36:10:10
Unknown
And we're generous, but not this one. It has to be super duper tight. So here's Saturn in a perfect relationship to Jupiter. We're not going to point at the content. We're going to focus on what the point the finger is pointing at, which is your love, Venus Sun in Capricorn in the 12th house of mysticism. But you brought it down to Earth, and you and I have a similar mission.
00:36:10:12 – 00:36:40:12
Unknown
We're trying to make astrology practical and not just full of hot air. When you have a yod or when someone has a yard. Does the room for error feel tighter? Meaning like does? Does the whole path feel more fated and less free will? There you go. Well, yes, you already signed the contract. So first of all, for all you listening, if you have a yod, it may not be activated and you'll know when it's activated.
00:36:40:12 – 00:37:03:05
Unknown
Because in this lifetime, which is both you and I, in her case, it points to her son in Capricorn. Her ambition has never left her. And that comes inherently with the destiny line of son being the point of her Yod in Capricorn. Like her mission, the ad points to your mission. So yes, once you sign with a yod, what it means is you signed before you got here.
00:37:03:07 – 00:37:14:22
Unknown
So you sign the contract. People like you and I, we didn't get free will. They didn't even ask us if we wanted this big, giant job. And then once we got it, it was like, oh, and now you have no more free will.
00:37:14:24 – 00:37:21:17
Unknown
Like, now that you've taken the job on, you're going to be working full time and ask both of us, how much do we work?
00:37:21:23 – 00:37:42:24
Unknown
Oh my gosh, we were texting on Saturday. It's like the only person on Thanksgiving weekend. I was like, oh, that's like my email, my text. She was so funny. She was like, of course you're a Capricorn. Of course you were good on Saturday after, thank God. And the yacht produces pressure. To your point, the question you ask, it's not that you can get it wrong, because in this planet you really getting it wrong is getting it right.
00:37:42:24 – 00:37:55:18
Unknown
You have to get it wrong. Get it right. That's how we do it down here. You get mistakes to learn your lesson. You don't learn without the mistake. Don't ask me why, but that's a bad program. So there are. That's a big thing for Capricorn to know. You're going to get it wrong.
00:37:55:20 – 00:38:04:11
Unknown
However, what you're asking me is why do I have pressure all the time to never feel like I'm doing enough?
00:38:04:13 – 00:38:23:15
Unknown
And that's not just strictly a Capricorn thing. That's because of the yod. That's additional. It's a Capricorn thing. Yes, but usually a 12th house sun is like, leave me alone, right? I want to be quiet and left alone to do my mystical training. But you're yod like, you know, Saturn and Jupiter saying, do it.
00:38:23:17 – 00:38:45:21
Unknown
Okay, Deborah, I know that you guys have a free event coming up. Can you tell us about it? It's the way that people get to see me do readings. So it's a five day immersion. It's starting on January 19th to the 23rd. My birthday and your birthday, ten m Pacific time to 11th. It's an hour and a half, so it starts on your birthday.
00:38:45:21 – 00:39:02:09
Unknown
That's easy to remember. And we have five different people that come on. And I do a reading in front of people explaining their charts, and then they tell their story. And it's a very emotional there's singing someone's a poet that does it at the end, but mostly you get to see and hands on because, you know, you guys don't know me.
00:39:02:09 – 00:39:18:22
Unknown
Well, maybe you do, but you don't. So if you watch me working each day and we do a prayer and we do a practice, it's kind of like an astrology spiritual bootcamp where you come every day for five days in a row, and then it's free, and then you go, oh, I get Deborah, because, you know, how do you know you're astrologers?
00:39:18:22 – 00:39:44:09
Unknown
The real thing? Unless you see them in live time action 100%. So we're going to put the link for that free event in the show notes if you want to join. I highly recommend it. Even just for Deborah's prayers. Like literally, I love the way you set the space and the way that you just bring everyone into their bodies and remind us of what we're doing here on this planet, like in a really beautiful way.
00:39:44:09 – 00:39:48:23
Unknown
So I highly recommend you all check that out and we'll put that link in the show notes.
00:39:49:00 – 00:40:02:19
Unknown
Deborah so many people from our community have responded in the past whenever we talked about this. And it makes me so happy because because they're getting a great entry point into reading charts, into getting comfortable with the conversation.
00:40:02:22 – 00:40:11:14
Unknown
you're the kind of person that wants to learn how to read charts, if you want to have an element of hand-holding, if you want to have an element of community while you do it.
00:40:11:19 – 00:40:19:14
Unknown
Because I can see that people make friends, that, you know, there's connections that are made, and it's just a really beautiful school
00:40:19:16 – 00:40:31:04
Unknown
anything else you want to say before we close out, Deborah, I want to just speak to, the one of the most old fashioned, wonderful qualities of this life and that sisterhood and body meant to that.
00:40:31:04 – 00:40:31:08
Unknown
And this
00:40:31:09 – 00:40:47:09
Unknown
is your hula. This is your book, and this is how you asked me to write the forward and how you and I connected during an eclipse. There's something to be said about the people, and you all know who they are. This happened to me with for sure. With Amanda, there's certain people we meet and we go, I feel so connect.
00:40:47:09 – 00:41:03:12
Unknown
I don't know why it's not conscious. It's back to my right brain. And then when you find those people and this happens in your community and in my community, you super glue yourself. And that's why I keep sending you pictures and writing and sending you the love notes, because people don't do that. We're both double error. You're Jim Moon in Gemini.
00:41:03:12 – 00:41:26:15
Unknown
Aquarius I'm Gemini with Libra Rising, so we value that communication style and it really touches my heart. And I want to say to everyone, the community in Astrology Hub and the community and my system in DSA, it means everything in this moment, in this planet, that we can find our people and not be self-conscious. And that's what you give to me.
00:41:26:15 – 00:41:31:22
Unknown
I feel like I could be as big and funny and goofy as I want, and you're just like, go, Deb, go!
00:41:32:00 – 00:41:47:23
Unknown
And I feel the same way about you. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes, I get the cutest pictures of Deborah texted to me. Deborah out nature doing silly things with little flowers. I loved your like montage of flowers the other day.
00:41:47:23 – 00:42:02:17
Unknown
I was like, oh, you're so sweet. So. And yes, Deborah did write the foreword for my book too, which was just such an honor. And it was. We have a lot of that. One thing I wanted to complete with was all that love. So I just get to love right here in this app. Yes. So good, so good.
00:42:02:17 – 00:42:14:15
Unknown
All right, everybody, and you are a part of this family as well. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for making astrology a part of your life. We'll look forward to connecting with you on the next episode and take care. Aloha.