What is the Right House System…? w/ Astrologer & Astronomer Gemini Brett

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Learn Astrology w/ Gemini Brett: Everything About House Systems

In this episode of the Astrology Hub Podcast, Amanda ‘Pua’ Walsh and Astrologer Gemini Brett talk about what the 12th House represents in Astrology and how to use it when interpreting a birth chart.

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On Today’s Episode You’ll learn…

🌑 What a house system is and why different astrologers might use different ones.
🌒 The difference between the houses and the signs – for example, why the midheaven might not always be in the 10th house.
🌓 How to tune into the living sky above you, and the real-time motion of the planets.

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1:03 Intro

5:08 What is a House System?

8:36 How Quadrant House Systems Work

19:12 How Equal Houses Work

34:27 The 10th House vs the Midheaven

38:19 How Whole Sign Houses Work

43:32 What’s the Right House System for Beginners?

1:00:18 Tips for Learning the Houses in Astrology

1:08:19 Brett’s Mastery Class

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[00:00:00] The ascendant is so personal. It’s that moment of your birth as it is experienced in that particular place. , okay. The signs are the same, like where the plants are and the signs everywhere on the earth. We actually measure that from the center of the earth. But the houses are completely particular to your location for any given moment of time.

[00:00:22] The given moment of time is like the plants and the sign and all the alignments to one another, like that’s a moment, unique moment of space time. But how that moment’s experienced in California versus Hawaii versus Timbuktu is completely unique, and that’s going to be expressed by where the planets are in the houses.

[00:00:41] And most house systems are keyed to the ascendant degree


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[00:01:03] Well, hello everybody and welcome to the culminating episode, episode number 13 of our House series. And I just wanna thank you all for being on this journey with me. For the last 12 weeks, we have gone through every single one of the houses in astrology. We’ve talked about the nuances of each of those houses, what they represent in your astrological chart, and, um, as well as the most commonly asked questions that come up about these houses.

[00:01:34] So I hope that you’ve enjoyed the series so far, and as we were going through it, it became very, very clear that we needed to step back and answer some of the most very basic questions about the houses, such as what are the houses? Why are there so many different house systems are, is one house system better than another?

[00:01:58] Are there different types of astrology that require the use of different houses, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So we brought in an expert to help us understand this from both an astrological and an astronomical perspective. And I cannot think of a better astrologer to help us understand these things so that we have a a good perspective on all things houses.

[00:02:24] So I want to welcome any of you who are new to our channel. Thank you so much for joining us. You’ve just joined a worldwide astrological conversation that is happening here every single week. Thank you for being here. If you wanna go ahead and hit the subscribe and the notification bell, then you will be alerted anytime we post new episodes on the channel.

[00:02:45] For those of you who have been with us for a long time or just started tuning in, welcome back. It’s so great to have you here. All right, just a little bit about our guest today. Gemini Brett. He won the 2020 Orion Award for outstanding contribution to astrology. He has been practicing astrology for over a decade.

[00:03:04] He’s the founder of the Earth Astrology Astrology School. He has taught many courses with us at Astrology Hub and other renowned astrology schools such as Kepler College and opa. He’s the president of N C G R San Francisco. He does work on our new reading platform, astrologer Connect, where he’s available for you to have readings with both booked readings and instant readings as questions come up for you.

[00:03:30] And he is an upcoming inner circle astrologer for our inner circle 2023. So the other thing about him is he’s amazing friend and an amazing human being and I’m just so proud to have him here in our community and on this platform. So Brett, welcome back.

[00:03:48] Aw,

[00:03:48] shucks. . Thanks. It’s really nice be here. 13th in the Are we gonna like say there’s

[00:03:56] a 13th

[00:03:57] house now? Is that gonna start? Uh,

[00:03:59] I don’t think we need to

[00:04:00] start Good. Yeah,

[00:04:01] let’s not

[00:04:02] please. Okay. So, alright. There is a reason why I have avoided this question at times on the platform. It’s because I’ve asked it before. I’ve asked about the different house systems and what the different house systems mean, and I’ve watch.

[00:04:19] Sort of sadly when I can see that we’re losing a lot of the audience because it can get very technical very quickly. So I know that you have a lot of ways that you explain this, where we will theoretically be able to follow along. But I just wanna give the caveat to any of you. If you find yourself getting lost in some of the technical details here today, just stick with it.

[00:04:45] You can revisit this episode over and over. I promise you that if you come back after a year of your studies, if you come back after two years or three years or four years, you’re gonna catch more and more and more of the conversation. But I also know that you’re gonna get some nuggets of wisdom here today that you can apply to your astrological studies no matter where you’re at in your journey.

What is a House System?

[00:05:08] So Brett, let’s start here with the really basic question of what is a house system?

[00:05:19] A house system is a system of dividing the local sky.

[00:05:25] So, um, let me bring you outside. Like imagine you’re just in one of your favorite places in Hawaii and you’re there like all day long. Maybe your eyes.

[00:05:37] Can you picture where the sun rises, where you’re sitting?

[00:05:42] Yes.

[00:05:43] Can you picture where the sets? Yes. Can you picture where the sun is in between rising and setting when it’s super high and bright?

[00:05:52] Yes. Okay.

[00:05:54] So motion of the sun through the sky during the day, or the stars during the night that can see that’s the motion the houses and the houses.

[00:06:06] The house systems are these different of dividing the sky, um, that we can, well, frankly delineate, right? So we have the signs, is about orbital motion, like the sun will spend a Aries and then move to Taurus for a month in Gemini for a month. And like that, the houses are about what’s called the primary motion, and that’s the spinning of Earth.

[00:06:33] So the spinning of the and the houses are super local, right? Well, I can’t tell you if, well, I can, cuz I can a chart, I can look to the sky, like if Aries is rising or setting right now or whatever. Like I can tell you that the first house is on the Eastern horizon.

[00:06:51] So if you and I are outside and I’m my gosh, look at that, um, Jupiter zin, GBI conjunction, you’re like, what the heck is that?

[00:07:01] And what does. That mean? Like, look where I said, oh look to the 11th house. And if out like how the houses work, then you turn your body towards, I’m gonna speak northern hemisphere here towards the southeast, right? I say, look towards Aquarius, well Aquarius might be rising right now.

[00:07:23] It might be at mid E, it might be setting, it might be down below the ground because every day, just the sun and the moon, of the signs rise and reach and rest and root down beneath the ground, right? Where the houses, they’re not exactly in this are more fixed in kind of local experience of space.

[00:07:42] And there has been a lot of debate over time in regards to how we should divide this guy. And that’s why we have placid and periphery and Canus and Coke and Reggie and Montana is an al capitus and equal in whole sign houses and all these house systems who can’t even name or pronounce or don’t know about yet, right?

[00:08:02] And it’s one of the most confusing things in astrology. Which one’s the right one?

[00:08:09] Which one should I use? Right? Uh, but generally speaking, houses and house systems are ways of dividing the local sky sections.

[00:08:19] Okay? So if I’m understanding correctly, the eastern horizon where I live is pretty much, this is probably a generalization because there are different ways of cutting it up, but pretty much that’s gonna be the 12th.

How Quadrant House Systems Work

[00:08:36] Yes. So let’s talk like about one kind of general category of health systems. So most of those house systems I just named besides whole houses and houses are called Quadrant Health Systems. And so let me talk about quadrant house systems and the astronomy of the, of quadrant house systems.

[00:08:57] That’ll help I think, get in, and everyone like, open your ma your minds open your heart. Deep breaths cuz this will get a little bit technical. It’s hard to have this astronomical conversation without being there, but I think it really helps us understand like what our houses, how to use them.

[00:09:13] So quadrant house systems divide quadrants of the chart, quadrants of your local sky by the astrological angles, which are the ascendant, the mid-heaven, the descendant, and the ic, right?

[00:09:32] Latin for inner circle. Just kidding. For elli, which means the bottom of the heavens. In other words, maybe hell, it’s down beneath the ground. Okay. So everyone like, bring your attention to a a chart wheel as we draw them, like a circular chart. you will find there is a line and generally speaking, a line. So one the great confusions is why is that line not always vertical in many systems? Okay, those lines are called horizontal line. It’s called the horizon, and it literally is the ground that you’re standing on.

[00:10:12] Or maybe like, you know, the bed mother was laying on when she birthed you, you know? And it, it is, I think it’s the ground beneath feet when I go outside. The chart in this given moment is a chart of the realtime sky in the horizontal line of a quadrant chart wheel like plaus, poy, Montanas, EDUs, coke, Campes, et cetera, et cetera. The horizontal line is the ground. Okay? The vertical or vertical lich line is called the meridian.

[00:10:44] And while the ground, the hor horizon separates below the ground from above the ground. In other words, that, which I cannot see from that, which I can see, the meridian is a north, south circle in your sky that separates east from west. Well, goes up and west goes down. Okay? So these are gonna sound a little bit backwards, and I’ll get to this , but bear with me.

[00:11:17] The fourth quadrant quadrant house system is everything between the ascendant, is where zodiac is rising on the eastern horizon.

[00:11:27] I just like to call the ascendant the rise because it’s coming up on the eastern horizon, just like a rising sun or a rising moon, or a rising serious, or a rising aquarius. Okay? So from the rise to the reach, which is the word that I use for the midheaven, is the quadrant in a quadrant house and that is the eastern sky above the ground. Okay? And then, so it’s what we can see that is going up all right. At the mid-heaven, at the meridian, we separate east from west, okay?

[00:12:10] So I’m gonna speak northern hemisphere, in particularly northern hemisphere the tropic of cancer, where you live, Amanda, in tropics, things more interesting.

[00:12:22] In the southern hemisphere, things work in the opposite direction and I, we go there this is gonna be confusing enough.

[00:12:30] And the chart wheels that we use, they model the northern hemisphere astronomical experience. This does not that they don’t work for southern hemisphere natives, but in the southern hemisphere you gotta do a couple things to make the chart model the sky in given moment the northern hemisphere, you go outside, you face south and cast a chart for this moment and it’s gonna show you what above the ground the planets are doing and the signs are doing.

[00:12:59] And it’s gonna show us what’s be below the ground too. It’s just so amazing. us the opportunity to see more than we with our naked eyes as we Right?

[00:13:08] So in the northern hemisphere, north of the Tropic of Cancer temperate northern hemisphere, like where I California or egypt or Greece or India or babylon, you know where a lot of this, you know, so-called astrology tradition was rooted.

[00:13:25] The mid-heaven, which is where the zodiac the meridian is due south. And I call that the reach, because sun south set midday halfway in between sunrise and sunset, the sun will reach a highest height the. And in the northern hemisphere temperate that is south, the will south between moon rise and the east and moon in the west.

[00:13:57] Sirius will south between Sirius rise and Sirius set. can see that motion from the rise in the east to the reach in the south to the west. The motion like a clock. Okay. The spinning of the sky spins from the east to the west. Why? Because earth that standing on spinning in the opposite direction.

[00:14:24] Just like if we went to the playground and I put you in spiny you real fast, you’re spinning really quickly, but your experience is the whole world is spinning about you.

[00:14:33] We’re on a spiny thing called the Earth, and as earth spins, we experiencing the heavens spinning about us rising in the east, in the the northern hemisphere.

[00:14:45] The sky moves. When we look south towards the zodiac, it moves like this clock. Okay, so the fourth quadrant, and it’s weird that it’s fourth and not first because it’s where the sun rises and then climbs through the 12th and then the 11th, and then the 10th house to its height at the midheaven. Let’s just talk about the sun.

[00:15:06] That’s midday, and then the sun goes from the 10th on the eastern of the meridian to the ninth the western side. goes up, west goes down. So the ninth house, for example, is called cadence, which means falling.

[00:15:24] The sun is now falling from its height down through the eighth where it falling really quickly, right?

[00:15:32] The eighth house, death. Seventh, why seventh B marriage?

[00:15:37] Because in every moment we can witness the heavens falling to marry the earth. And actually, you know, in the astronomical model of our day, which is that the heavens are spinning because we’re on the globe spinning underneath them, the western sky actually sets because earth is coming up to greet it.

[00:15:57] So the marriage of heaven and earth, you see, and then the sun goes down beneath the ground and into the sixth and night begins. So sixth and illness, right? Because the fear of the dark and all that stuff. All right, so we can get into more of the delineations and the astronomy behind them, but basically in quadrant house systems, classes, periphery, Kaus, K gal, uh, Regio, Montanas al capitus, I could go on and on and on.

[00:16:26] They divide the chart wheel, which is the earth cliff, the cross of matter. Inside the circle of spirit. The circle of spirit is the zodiac, the, the path of the sun. The quadrants are between the horizon and the meridian. We have these four points where we have a quadrant of above the ground going up.

[00:16:48] That’s the fourth quadrant, 12th, 11th, 10 thousands above the ground, but falling down. That’s the third quadrant, ninth, eighth, and seventh. Houses below the ground and still going down. That’s the sixth, fifth, and the fourth, which brings the stars to the ic, the elli, the bottom of the heavens, the roots down below the ground, and then they start climbing up through the first quadrant and the third, second, and then first houses.

[00:17:20] And you know, I like to say 3, 2, 1, liftoff. So why do we begin our days in the middle of the night? Well, we probably shouldn’t , you know, but because we were taught to in school, and that’s just how time works. It’s odd. Many cultures begin days at sunrise that seems to make sense. Planetary hours start at sunrise, but many of us in clock time kind of begins near the middle of the night.

[00:17:45] Well, that’s when the sun begins. His daily climb. He’s just doing that underground, coming up through the third house, the second house, the first house, and then rising into the 12th. So, sorry, that’s like a lot of astronomy and a long thing, but there’s a start.

[00:18:05] Okay. So basically that is how quadrant house systems, which include a lot of the potential house systems that people might be working with.

[00:18:15] That’s the way quadrant house systems are mapping the local sky where you

[00:18:23] are. Okay? Absolutely. And the motion of the local sky, according to the daily motion, the diurnal motion or what, what’s called the primary motion, which is the spinning of the earth. And so for the, the spinning of the sky and that clockwise motion of the chart, like if you just cast a chart for this moment right now mm-hmm.

[00:18:43] and then like click that hour button and go an hour forward and an hour forward and an hour for, you’re gonna see the whole chart moving clockwise. Right. So like Aries rises and then it comes up to the reach at the midheaven, and then it’ll go set and it’ll go down beneath the ground. Right. And so that clockwise motion, the primary motion is the diurnal or daily motion.

[00:19:03] Right. Our experience on earth of the spinning of earth is the spinning of the sky about us every

[00:19:11] Okay, perfect.

Equal Houses

[00:19:12] Now, how does this differ from whole sign or equal houses?

[00:19:20] Yeah, genius question. Let’s start with equal houses, because equal houses share something with quadrant houses, which is the ascendant.

[00:19:29] Okay. Old words for the ascendant are the horoscopes, right? People think horoscope is a newspaper column or that it’s the whole chart. Actually, now it’s a term that does apply to any map of the sky, which a chart is. Your chart is a map of your soul. It’s also a map of the local sky when you were born.

[00:19:49] Okay, but ho Copos is Greek for the hour marker or for Hour Watchers. Right. You know, it’s like sky, guys like me sitting on a ziarat, probably calling out the different stars that were rising so we could keep time at night. And the baby’s born. And you hear a bell and you mark the star of that moment, , right?

[00:20:12] What they did that Heck yeah, because we didn’t have watches, right? We had, um, well we did have watches. We had sitting on the pyramid and watching the sky, right? But like, as far as like clocks by day, you work with the pole, you put a stick in the ground and you watch what the shadow does, which in the northern hemisphere will move clockwise, right?

[00:20:37] So that’s where our clocks were, were designed. And the day, like we had water clocks, which is, they’re super cool. Look ’em up. Candle clocks like an eight inch candle will burn in this amount of time, but it’s obviously not so accurate, you know? And then we had watchers, , right? Which is like literally sitting outside watching the heavens.

[00:20:59] And if the clouds allow and the gong rings because the baby just took first breath, you can say, oh, well, you know, zin, elma, Somali’s rising right now. And that means this is the degree of the ascendant, which is the horo scoo, right? So it’s both the, our watcher, whoever’s watching for that. And it’s the, our marker, right?

[00:21:21] Another name for the ascendant was ocs, or ICOs, which means a rudder. And that’s more advanced than we want to get today, although it’s gonna kind of contribute and it’s one of the reasons why there are so many different health. It’s also the reason why the meridian in a quadrant system will like tilt left or right.

[00:21:42] It’s the reason why your mid-heaven is not necessarily in the 10th whole sign or of your chart, or even in the 10th equal sign. So we’ll go there. Okay? But means, but ox means rudder. And the reason is the ascendant descendant access rudder north and south of the cardinal directions every day. So people will teach that the ascendant is east and it is urn.

[00:22:09] It’s where the zodiac intersects the eastern horizon in every, any given moment of time. But unless it’s zero Aries Tropical or zero Libra rising, it’s either north of east or south of east. And that brings in all sorts of amazing and beautiful astronomy and complications in leads to why there are so many dang house systems.

[00:22:31] Okay, . So I think we need to leave that there for now. All right. So the equal health system is keyed to that ascendant degree. And actually, let me, let me go a little bit deeper with the rudder id. Okay. So the mid-heaven, and I’m gonna speak northern hemisphere temperate once again. Okay. It’s due south and it’s, it, it’ll change altitudes.

[00:22:55] There are low signs. So in the Northern hemisphere that’s like Capricorn. Just think of what’s happening when the sun visits Capric, kor. Long night cuz the sun has a very low path, right? Sun’s in Gemini a very high sign in the northern Hemi, first sky, late spring. Like you know that like the sun’s not pushing the signs up and down the visit the sun is visiting high signs or low signs.

[00:23:21] Okay? So anyway, regardless of whether the midheaven in this given moment has like a high altitude relatively, or a low altitude in the northern hemisphere, temperate, it is south. And so where the zodiac intersects the south, or if you’re in the southern hemisphere where the zodiac intersects the north, let, that’s your meridian, that’s your reach, right?

[00:23:43] That’s like the the high zone. Okay? So that’s quadrant. And again, let me just say another thing about the importance of the meridian. It divides the east from the west no matter where on earth you are. And that means it separates the side of the sky that goes up from the side of the sky that goes down.

[00:24:04] And that’s a big deal, right? So it is where everything will reach its particular highest height and then that and then go down. So it’s either due south or it’s due north. It’s like earth’s directions. As I said before, that’s not true of the ascendant descendant.

[00:24:21] Yes, the ascendent, which I call the rise, is on the eastern horizon. But it might be north of east. And when it is, then the descendant is south of west and every day the ascended descendant access rudder back and forth against the cardinal directions. So I was born with Gemini rising. So you’re born with Aquarius rising everywhere on earth. Gemini rises north of east, the opposite sign Sagittarius sets south of West Aquarius rises everywhere on earth, south of East Leo setting sets north of west. Okay. So like we have different rudders, we have different directions. Yeah. And that’s a very personal thing.

[00:25:06] And in fact, like your ascendant degree of Aquarius rises in a different direction south of east eastern Hawaii than it does in California. And this is has to do with why seasons are more extreme when you get further from earth, equator in all sorts of interesting things. Okay. So that per particular direction of your like on the horizon, the compass heading is so personal.

[00:25:33] The ascendant is so personal. It’s that moment of your birth as it is experienced in that particular place. , okay. The signs are the same, like where the plants are and the signs everywhere on the earth. We actually measure that from the center of the earth. But the houses are completely particular to your location for any given moment of time.

[00:25:56] The given moment of time is like the plants and the sign and all the alignments to one another, like that’s a moment, unique moment of space time. But how that moment’s experienced in California versus Hawaii versus Timbuktu is completely unique, and that’s going to be expressed by where the planets are in the houses.

[00:26:15] And most house systems are keyed to the ascendant degree, which has this very particular rudded direction. Okay? And so it’s not like due east, it is of zero Aries or zero Libra in the tropical Zodiac rise, and only at those two times every day, everywhere. Okay? Otherwise, your ascendants either north of East, and by the way, that’s Aries, Taurus, Gemini Cancer, Leo, Virgo, or it’s south of East.

[00:26:44] That’s Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces. And so for me, there’s something like you have your own personal directions, and then we have earth’s directions. So the mid-heaven is earth’s directions, and it will teach us like 10th house topics, which begin in many houses and most house systems with that meridian.

[00:27:12] Earth’s directions. It’s like how you give your gift to the world, your vocation, your job, your reputation, your legacy here on earth, like how other people see you, right? It’s how you’re connecting to earth. But the ascendants a much more personal thing, and it starts the first house, which is you and your body and your health and your vitality and so much more.

[00:27:36] Okay? So there’s different house systems. I feel like they address different parts of self. And one is like the equal house system, which is completely key to your rising sign. And I’ll even say, although it’s not typically taught this way, like your rising direction, and then we just divide the zodiac circle all circles, 360 degrees into 12 equal houses of 30 degrees each.

[00:28:03] So like I have nine and a half Gemini arising when I was born. That means the second equal house, nine cusp is nine and a half cancer, then nine and a half Leo, nine and a half Virgo, all the way around, right? Why would we do that? Okay, well there’s a couple reasons. One is quadrant house systems start breaking down when you get far from the equator.

[00:28:27] Like I have a client who was born in Anchorage, Alaska. Her Midheaven is about 18 degrees from her ascendant

[00:28:35] the 10th, 11th, and 12th houses. and like a placid chart for her are literally 18 degrees that are all in Sagittarius. Okay. And

[00:28:47] that’s okay. So what do you do with that? And that’s not accurate or it is

[00:28:50] accurate? Well, it’s accurate astronomically in some important ways because what’s happening there is her rudder, her ascendent is so far south of east that it’s really close to the south midheaven, whereas her descendant is so far north of West, it’s so far from the south midheaven.

[00:29:12] So there is accurate astronomy to it. But as far as like trying to read that chart, it’s tricky, right? like when you have the 10th, 11th, and 12th, all Sagittarius, you know what I mean? So one of the things that an equal house system does is alleviates you from that where you just like, let’s say her ascended is 28 degrees Sagittarius.

[00:29:40] Then I have like 12 equal 30 degree houses. The 28 sa, 28 cap, 28 Aquarius, like that. And then you actually get something that you can kind of read, you know, like imagine a clock. Where like, oh, you know, three of the numbers are squished together and then the rest is, are half as far apart. There is like really key astronomy to the equal health system and, and this will address like another thing that astrologers often incorrectly teach about the astronomy of our chart.

[00:30:17] So one thing that I already addressed is like the ascendant is on the eastern horizon, but it’s not due east unless you’re born with an Equinox degree rising. It’s north of east or south of east is still east, it’s still rising. It’s the eastern horizon. That’s what east does. It’s beginnings and all that, you know?

[00:30:38] Okay. The other one that you’ll hear so often, like more often than not really, is that the midheaven is right above your head. It’s just wrong. I mean, I wanna be accurate. It’s right twice a day in Hawaii, in other tropical locations where I am in the Bay area of California or anywhere north of the tropic of.

[00:31:02] Or anywhere south of the Tropic of Capricorn, the mid-heaven can never, ever, ever, ever be directly above our head. That’s the zenith. Not only that, but the mid-heaven, the mc degree, where the zodiac intersects the meridian above the ground. That place that separates east from west and going up from going down, which is so key, right?

[00:31:26] It’s a pivot to use one of the old words for the angles, right? It’s like a shifting place. However, it is rarely the highest ecliptic degree of your chart. That honor is held by whatever squares the ascendant. In other words, the cusp of the equal sign house system, or sorry, equal house system, 10th cusp.

[00:31:56] So a word for it is nonag decimal, which just means 90 degrees away. Okay? So I have a, a Gemini ascendant, I have an Aquarius mid-heaven. I’ll be more specific. My, I mean, if people want to cast my chart, October 24th, 1970 5, 7 30 9:00 PM in Boston, Massachusetts, like in case you wanna look. All right, so I have my ascendants nine and a half Gem, let’s just call it 10 Gem.

[00:32:29] My mid-heaven is 14 Aquarius and Gemini and Aquarius. Same element. That means trying, right? Like my 10th house cusp, if I use a quadrant house system plus it’s periphery, what have you is not in the 10th sign of MyChart. 10 signs from Gemini or of Gemini is Pisces and that’s the highest point of the ecliptic above the ground.

[00:32:59] Because I have nine and a half Gemini rising the highest part of the ecliptic in the moment of my birth, I call it the highest place in space, is nine and a half Pisces. Now it does not mean nine and a half. Pisces was shifting from going up to going down in the moment. My birthday was not, that’s the Midheaven and when I was born, that’s Aquarius.

[00:33:22] Okay? Gemini rises really far north of east. It’s super far from the due south Midheaven. Okay? So my fourth quadrant, my 12th, 11, 10th house is, are like much larger than my third quadrant. Of the ninth, eighth, and seventh house is, you’ll see this all the time. It’s this like weird mystery. It’s like beautifully and elegantly, astronomical.

[00:33:45] There’s a high point in time, which is what I call the midheaven. Why? Because it is culminating, it is shifting from going up to going down. And specifically it’s halfway in time between the moment that that degree rose earlier and will set later. It is peaking. It’s culminating and traditionally we associate it with middle life.

[00:34:10] The ascendant. What’s rising youth up here at the top of the chart? Midlife career setting. Old age, down below the, the tomb and the womb. Okay. From which we come and the wheel in the sky keeps on turning.

10th House vs. Midheaven

[00:34:27] Okay. So can you explain this one more time? Yep. This whole difference between 10th house and

[00:34:33] Midheaven.

[00:34:34] Yeah. So, well the midheaven is the cusp of the 10th house in quadrant health systems. So in like Plaus, your Midheaven starts your 10th house. It is the cusp between the ninth and the 10th house. Okay. In Poy, Regio, Montanas at all. Okay. Um, but

[00:34:52] astronomically

[00:34:53] that’s not correct. Astronomically it is correct in regards to that degree will separate the east from what goes up to the west.

[00:35:02] From what goes down. Okay. A moment before your birth, it was going up still. A moment after your birth, it’s going down to set. Got it. Okay. Okay. So it’s a really key point. That’s why I call it the high point in time and why it makes so much sense that it’s like culminating and again, it is tied to earth’s cardinal directions.

[00:35:22] So I feel like it’s how we plug in to share with the earthlings and earth and contribute to the world and society in that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . Whereas you also have your personal directions. The ascendant descendant for me, north of east, south of west for you, south of east, north of west, and in a very particular heading.

[00:35:43] Okay. And whatever is square to that, and you’ll see this is how charts are usually drawn these days where they’re like, if you cast like a placid is chart, the midheaven degree doesn’t look like at the top of the chart. It’s usually leaning to the left or the right, depending on how you have your computer settings.

[00:36:00] Okay. What it’s doing is instead of aligning your shoulders, let’s say to like Dew East and Dew West, it’s aligning to your rudder, say, so for me it’s like north of east and south of west, and then if I bring my hands up from those places where the zodiac is touching the ground, The eastern sky, which rises the western sky, which sets, if I bring my hands and rainbow them up in the middle, that’s the nonadjustable, that’s the cusp of the 10th.

[00:36:30] And that is the point that is highest above the ground. So there’s a high point in time I like to call the meridian midheaven, separating what’s going up from what’s going down. And it’s super key. It’s a pivot, it’s an angle, right? And then there’s the high point in space. So that high point in space, it might still be going up, it might already be going down.

[00:36:55] But either way it is higher than like the mc in that given moment of time, unless zero Aries or zero Libra are rising. And I work with both of them in like career delineation for example. So I have like an Aquarius mid-heaven or Mc degree separating the east, which goes up from the west, which goes down.

[00:37:19] But the highest point of the ecliptic above the ground when I was born is 10 Pisces. So different signs, you know, different elements if you go there, different diss or rulers, people call them, right? Different aspects to those points. So the equals equal houses, like they are really astronomical. They’re not just a cop out for.

[00:37:45] Extreme latitudes are far from earth equator where. Things do get super wonky. Like one of the issues with quadrant house systems is if you bring that up to like the North Pole , like things just completely break down anywhere beyond the arctic circles, it gets super weird and you don’t even have to go that far.

[00:38:04] And it’s why the equal house system is very popular, for astrologers who live far from the equator, like in London, where there’s such a rich astrological tradition. Because y it avoids like the wonkiness of the whole thing. Okay,

Whole Sign Houses

[00:38:19] so we haven’t talked about whole sign yet,

[00:38:22] right? So whole sign, like equal sign houses are equal 30 degree houses,

[00:38:30] the difference is that equal signs are keyed to like the astronomical ascendant, you know, the very specific degree of the zodiac that is rising, the astronomical descendant opposite, always opposite the astronomical degree that is setting right in the moment. And then these high, and I didn’t speak about it, but the other square to the ascendant descendant degree, which is the cusp of a fourth house and an equal house system chart.

[00:39:01] Okay? That’s like the lowest part of the well. All right. Whole signs. Just say, look Brett, you’re Gemini rising. What degree? Oh, I don’t care. . So I need to be careful there because when we practice whole sign astrology techniques, we are very concerned also with the particular horoscope or the ascendant degree.

[00:39:21] Okay? So I’m kind of joking. And also not because if you have a one degree Gemini rising or if you have a 29 degree Gemini rising whole sign houses, say Gemini’s, your first, it’s your first whole sign house. It’s quite literal. And your second house is cancer and your third house is Leo. And like that, right?

[00:39:44] Your 10th house if you have Gemini rising is Pisces. So I’m one of the cases and certainly not alone in this where my mid-heaven in Aquarius is not even in my 10th whole sign. So there’s kind of this great debate between, it’s a friend of the, which house system is right debate. Should I say that? Like I have an Aquarius Midheaven and that describes my job.

[00:40:14] Or I have a Pisces 10th sign and that describes my job cuz it’s the 10th Now, importantly the 10th equal cusp will always be in the 10th sign. In the 10th hole. Right. So as I was saying before, I have nine and a half Gemini rising. That means the highest part of the ecliptic in the moment. My birth nine and a half Pisces and Pisces is the 10th sign in a Gemini rising chart.

[00:40:47] So the highest point is always in the 10th sign, but my mid-heaven, which separates up from going down is in the ninth. And so that also says like, well, can we use many house systems at once? And if we do, what do you do with a ninth whole sign mid-heaven? You see what I mean? So just generally speaking, whole sign houses are about as basic as they get, they care about the rising sign and that becomes the whole first.

[00:41:16] And the ascendant could be in the beginning of your first, or in the end of the first. Like if you’re 25 Aquarius rising, then 25 degrees of your first house, or actually above the ground and five degrees or below. And so it, you know, it’s not particularly astronomical in that way. It is astronomical in that it’s keyed to the sign that was rising where you were born, when you were born.

[00:41:46] But in a sense, cuz it kind of takes, in a way, it kind of takes the ground out from beneath your feet. I, I like to think of it as speaking to some part of me that doesn’t have his feet on the. It might be a little bit closer to my, my soul’s intentions for this lifetime, where it’s like you’re coming in, you’re like fallen through Saturn and Jupiter and Mars in the sun and Venus and Mercury and Moon, and like, okay, like last decision, what’s rising?

[00:42:16] And I’m like, Gemini, like, okay, cool. There’s like a whole 12th part of the earth. Like think of the earth, like a 12 paneled beach ball. Okay? One of those panels is Gemini. And so they’re like, all right, there you go. Right? But why Boston? Because there’s a specific degree of the ascendant. There’s a specific degree of the midheaven.

[00:42:37] There’s a specific degree of these non-ag decimals. So in a sense, like, and there’s another thing for the whole sign, I don’t know if you want to get here it, it’s even much more esoteric and weird. Um, but there’s a sense to the whole sign houses of like, and I’m very ascendant and first house based in my personal astrology, where it’s like, that sign is your course.

[00:43:00] And traditionally it’s called the rudder. So I’m Gemini rising, therefore mercury. So to be the steersman of my chart. Okay, but what if one of the house systems says, my steers man’s in the fifth where another says the steers man’s in the sixth. So is it both? Is it one or the other? Is one, right? And the other’s wrong?

[00:43:22] You know what I mean? That’s like one of the things in how system challenges that we get into. Like what if this one says it’s in the first and that one says it’s in the 12th. Yeah.

What’s the Right House System for Beginners

[00:43:32] So what do you say to new students who are just starting out? Because , you and I have been having this conversation now for I don’t know how many years, and I still get fragments of it, maybe a lot more than I used to, but I still am like grasping aspects, but then I get lost.

[00:43:52] And what, what do you say to new students who are like, okay, well, so what do I do with that? Which one is right? Which one do I use? How do, where do I get started? And or if I’m using one of ’em, does that mean it’s wrong or I should be using a different one to answer different kinds of questions?

[00:44:13] I say, welcome to the riddle,

[00:44:16] And um, as you can imagine, Amanda, because I’m so geared this way in the whole earth astrology, the thing I say, you know, you should learn the astronomy of the system. So what I advise my students is really learn the whole sign map because it will teach you how the signs relate to one another and the houses relate to one another too. Like the second is trying the 10th. Okay. So, but I also very much encourage feet on the ground and I like poor free houses just because they’re simple and elegant and I’m not yet sold personally on which house system is right or wrong.

[00:44:57] And um, I like working with Equal. And the thing is I can cast a poor free chart and I still see whole sign houses and I still see equal cuz they’re just easy. Like they’re so simple to just kind of create in your mind now by day. And this is a, a practice. I really encourage for people to go outside and take, if you have like a magic box where you can cast a chart when you’re out and about, I in the daytime sky, I like placid houses and I’ll just follow the sun when the sun’s in the 11th.

[00:45:30] Okay. And placid houses correlate to planetary hours. So when the sun is moving through the 11th, that’s the third and the fourth daylight hours of And what do we say about the 11th social people are getting around connections. Like look around you. It happens when the sun is moving through the 11th, sun’s going through the 10th.

[00:45:54] Like, we’re kind of more focused on our productivity and our work and you can see it. And so I really like, it’s a really wonderful practice to get outside cast charts during the day, the day times. I feel a little bit more about time. So I like Plaus, which is our time based. The nighttime for me is a little bit more like space oriented, more like, right?

[00:46:19] And so then I like poy houses then, but so much of it will have to do with who you’re studying, what kind of astrology you’re studying. And I think not getting so like religiously tied to this one’s, right? Because I was told it is, or this one’s right, because it’s what Vaus Valon used. Yo Vaus Valon used many house systems , right?

[00:46:42] Or this one’s right, because it’s what’s used in India and that one has the most common source since thousands of years ago or whatever. Like, I think it’s really good to get to know a house system and really test it and try it out and then be open to switching it up. But a Gemini rising being is inclined to say things just like that.

[00:47:00] Well, you know what though? In my, uh, experience of, of witnessing thousands of astrology students and seeing one of the places where they get tripped up over and over one of the places is becoming super attached to one way, one house system. One, uh, you know, one uh, interpretation of a sign, you know, whatever it is.

[00:47:26] And then if s if an astrologer comes in and teaches something new that they is, is not what they were taught originally or what they’re not attached to, it can really. Create a bit of a crisis internally for that person because it’s like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, I understood myself this way and now you’re trying to tell me that it’s that way.

[00:47:49] Does that mean the way I understood it first is wrong and that there’s another way to understand myself that is more right? And so it really brings in a lot of these questions that just throw people into a bigger question of like, well then, is any of this right? Because if they’re both right, how is that possible?

[00:48:10] Right? Which is such a great question. Uh, one answer I have to that question, which may or may not be valid for some is like there’s many different parts of be being. Yes. And I think there’s different house systems that apply. Like many will use Regio Montanas for jorra questions. Like, you ask me, where’s my passport?

[00:48:29] right? I gotta get on a plane. Well, the Regio Montanas is tied to what I call the circle of matter, which is ersi equator. And so like that’s a material question. If you ask me why do I lose my passport every time? Like that’s a natal chart question. Do you know what I mean? If you ask me, where’s my passport?

[00:48:48] I need to find it . Like, will I find it? That’s a hoary question. Do you see what I mean? And so there’s like a house system that’s a little bit more based on. The, what I call the circle of matter. Okay. And so I’m gonna use that for material based questions. So I might shift back and forth and I do in readings based upon what somebody’s asking, what their intention is, right?

[00:49:10] Mm-hmm. . And you know, I’ve like, just like you said, like the amount of times where I’ve had to kind of reinvent in my astrology and I’ll be outside and I’m the honest, the thing I was telling, I was like, wait a second. Like that was a lie. Like that that’s wrong. Like that’s not what’s hap, like I was lied to, you know what I mean?

[00:49:30] And then everything falls apart and I have to pick it up again. And that’s okay. I think the more challenging thing is we get so personal, you know, so many of us come to astrology to learn more about ourselves and to feel and heal, and know and grow. And this placement just makes sense for our life experience.

[00:49:47] And if I want to consider it another way, it just doesn’t work. But one of the reasons why it might not make sense is because we’ve spent so much time and really invested in that other delineation based upon what we were first taught about our charter. Something that it’s kind of harder to, to like loosen our grip on that.

[00:50:04] Another thing is like, people say it this way sometimes, like one might speak of your autobiography and others might speak of what people would write about you. Hmm. Right. Or like, there’s a placement that some of the ancients talk about, say like, oh, like if this is happening in one house system, like you’re gonna do really well in your job, but because it looks like this in another house system, you’ll never know you are.

[00:50:34] Wow. And you’re consistently torment . Everyone’s like, you’re doing such a great job. You look, look at this. Do you know what I mean? And like, that’s an interesting thing. But you know, if I’m looking at, like, if a question is, hey, like, you know, we’re, we’re trying to have a baby one house system might point to fertility.

[00:50:51] Well, another house system might point to sterility. So when, so in that sense, it’s like, should I just choose the one that says yes, you know what I mean? Or, you know, do they maybe have to look at the one that says no and kind of like tackle that complication? Some of those like spiritual challenges as you will, if you will, to like open up the green light of the other one.

[00:51:13] And I think so much of this is just incredibly mysterious. And you know, I think one of the issues with my teaching, and I think most of my teaching students will tell you this, it’s like I’m very, I’m, I’m like not inclined to say this is the right way to do it. Right. And, and maybe when I age I will, but it’s kind of helped to have a teacher that’s just like, this is how you do it.

[00:51:36] This is how it works. Go. Right. But then those like crises that come around, When you learn there’s another way and that might speak more or something. Or you can’t even entertain it cuz you’re so rigid.

[00:51:50] It seems to me like it can be important for, for people to choose something to learn with. So choose a house system to learn with, but knowing from the very beginning that that isn’t the only way can be really helpful because then the student isn’t gonna become so attached. Like, you know, for example, when I first had my, I had my first reading with Natasha Al Alter, who was an evolutionary astrologer, and I had no idea that there were any other ways of doing astrology.

[00:52:22] I thought that was the only way, or only answer that astrology had to, to that astrology offered. So when I, I mean this was actually a delightful discovery when I realized that it can answer so many different types of questions, so many different aspects of life. It was like, whoa, that’s amazing. It was like this whole world opening up.

[00:52:44] But I’ve had the experience of in one house system, my north node, for example, being in the eighth house, which has this whole, you know, Pluto and Libra, I mean, Pluto conjunct my north node in my eighth house, which is Libra, which has this whole flavor to it. But if you go into another house system, then it’s ninth house, which has this entirely different flavor to it.

[00:53:09] And it was, it was really hard for me to be, to make that adjustment of like, well per, could it be both? I mean, could there be, I am exploring both aspects in this

[00:53:21] lifetime. Let’s look at one way you are, sorry to interrupt you, but the eighth is the occult and the ninth is study. And you’re literally studying like occult science, astrology, right?

[00:53:31] And a lot of your life’s path is also creating this, uh, community and this podcast and so much more where other people can be engaged with this study and the journey of these mysteries, right? So like, I feel, you know, I agree with you and I think that’s the best advice you gave, not me, which is like start with a system.

[00:53:52] Yeah. And this is advice that Adam Summer gave me when we first connected, and I was really young in astrology, and he’s like, you know, it’s, it’s just good to like have a system has you opened these charts and it’s like, wait, what? , you know? And so if you have a route. But at the same time, I always say like curves and lines.

[00:54:11] So the lines is like, this is how I read a chart. I will go from here to here to here. If they ask me about relationships, I’m starting there. If they ask me about kids, I’m starting there and I’m going to go and the the answer is the whole chart. But there’s this other thing that happens when you open up a chart and there’s a piece of it that just says, it just sings.

[00:54:28] and that’s the curvy side, right? So we wanna also make sure we’re not eliminating our intuit, our intuitive gifts. Mm-hmm. through system as well. And that’s just a general life thing. As there’s so many things we’ve talked about, like be careful with your religions, be careful with your belief systems. be, you know, Be careful with your politics or whatever, like be more open and however it is good to start in a place and then grow from there.

[00:54:54] Yeah. And learn. Learn solid technique and learn solid. It’s just like if you were learning dance, there’s so many different ways to dance, right? But it’s very helpful to get a foundation in ballet for example. And then once you learn ballet, then it’s like, oh, it’s not always that you should be upright.

[00:55:09] Maybe in hip hop I need to be very loose. And so does that make ballet wrong? No, just means ballet is great for ballet, but if you’re gonna dance, if you’re gonna do hip hop, you gotta get loose and you gotta, you know, really, uh, change your lines. Like all, everything about it changes, but it’s still dance.

[00:55:27] They’re both dance. Yeah.

[00:55:28] So I think, and, but like you said, if you know that upfront going in Yes. Right? That doesn’t mean don’t study, like don’t learn, don’t like ground into it. It’s just you’re, you’re less likely to get completely married to the thing. So for me, I’m like, be careful with teachers that say this is the one only way and what they’re doing over there is wrong.

[00:55:51] Right. I mean there can be times where people are like claiming that this is what was always done. The midheaven is right over my head and just, it’s so common, especially with the astronomy I find, cuz that’s my world. Right. that astrologers are teaching these things that are just wrong. I mean, in some cases there is two plus two equals four , you know, like we wanna be there, but in so much of what we’re doing, which is a sacred science, don’t lose the sacred to the science.

[00:56:17] And like you said, Amanda, like if we know upfront that, hey, you know what, there’s, as I like to say, there’s many ways to pet the cosmic cat. So like, half the world is using a totally different zodiac. Yeah. Like, what, do you know what I mean? And like, we kind of come at this thing without getting attached, then we can still have that good foundation.

[00:56:35] I love that, um, that the, the analog you used of like having, you know, solid foundation and carriage and our dance, but then being able to flow Yeah. And wiggle the hips when That’s right. Too . Exactly.

[00:56:48] Uh, and, and I know for, for new students, and I’ve been saying this throughout this entire house series, because, because I’m so sensitive to the potential of new students coming in with all their enthusiasm and all their bright-eyed falling in love with astrology and going, oh no, like a, this is too complex, or B, I’ll never get it.

[00:57:10] Or c i, you know, I don’t understand. I’m not, I’m not good at math, or I’m not good at maps, or I’m not good at, you know, astronomy, you know, whatever it is. Every step of the way, you’re gleaning insight into yourself and others and the world and the nature of reality. And there is no destination to which you arrive and go, oh my God, I got it.

[00:57:33] I get everything. And I know that can be both unnerving and also peace inducing. But what I want to do is just encourage you to enjoy the process of learning. Enjoy the times where you’re like, God, I totally don’t get that. Wow. That makes me feel really, um, unintelligent or whatever it is. It’s okay. Like all of the experience is okay and it’s all part of it.

[00:57:57] And every single person who has studied astrology has experienced all of it and continues to experience all of it. You hear Rick Merlin Levine, who has been doing this for decades, four decades, more than four decades, saying, I’m still learning new things. There are still things that blow me away and just like complete completely throw me off.

[00:58:19] So we will continue to have that experience as we’re studying and it’s just part of it. And I think this is part of learning astrology and part of, uh, approaching astrology is learning how to approach life. It’s learning how to approach the things that we feel like we do really well and the things that we feel like we don’t do very well and get something from all of it, you

[00:58:41] know?

[00:58:41] Yeah. And this is a wonderful thing about Astrology Hub, right? You’re bringing in many voices. You know, I mean, it’s one thing to go through the 12 houses with one astrologer, right? To go through the 12 houses with 12 astrologers. It’s like a whole other thing and, but it’s also very beautiful. So there’s a couple things I’ll say, maybe to wrap up.

[00:58:59] It’s like get away from the city lights, go outside on a dark night. When clouds allow and really engage with the multitude of stars in your sky, you will never know them all. Let that be a blessing for you to release the need to master the thing. The password to the mysteries is wonder and awe. And there should be a joy in the truth that we have been called to something that you can never master.

[00:59:26] When you master or you think you do one paradigm, you have literally run, run as fast as you can from mastering another . You know what I mean? . And so, and that’s a, and that’s a lovely thing. So that giggle that we have when the sky is so open and you know, like that, that is the password. It’s never, I don’t know this, I’ll never know this, like the shame and the guilt that we’re trained to in most of our so-called education systems like that does not open the mysteries to you.

[00:59:55] The answers are gonna come from within. Teachers will guide you there, right? But it’s the actual marriage of heaven and earth and being out there witnessing it and listening to your intuition and the science as you’re learning it, like all of that’s gonna guide you to your own astrology. And I think for that reason, it can be frustrating to hear many different teachers with contra contradictory points of view.

Tips for Learning the Houses in Astrology

[01:00:18] But you know, there’s blue stars and there’s red stars too, friends and, and that’s how it is up there. Okay. The other things I will say is this, if you really want to know the health systems go outside, , right? You wanna take your chart out of it for, for a bit, right? So in, in modern astrology, typically we’re, we’re very focused on natal astrology.

[01:00:40] Great. Cuz we wanna like be better people and learn more about us and address our traumas and, uh, find some like information about how we can best serve in all these wonderful things. Right? And it’s great to get readings with different astrologers who can help guide you through that and help you guide yourself through that for sure.

[01:00:58] Right? But also take your chart out and just go outside and cast a chart for that moment. If you’re in the northern hemisphere, look south, like literally that chart. What’s above the horizon? If you’re using a quadrant house system is in the sky in that moment. Like if I cast a chart for this moment, you can probably see the sun on my face.

[01:01:19] The sun is in the seventh, right there over the west. And I would see that in a chart. And once you learn to see it in the sky, you’re like, oh, that’s what the seventh house means. Hmm. And the sun is such a brilliant, literally teacher and probably where a lot of our delineations come from. So if you get outside and you just cast charts by day and you kind of go real time or move through when the sun moves from the 11th to the 10th, as I was saying before, like, look around you, I mean, I can just say real quick what happens when the sun rises, it moves, it rises into the 12.

[01:01:55] What? So that’s weird. Okay. And this is like a natal thing because when you’re born, we fix that moment of time. Like you have your horoscope, you have your ascended degree, right? That’s that. And then as the sun’s translating through the science, every year, it will move from your first house to your second house to your third house.

[01:02:16] And that, okay. Why? However, do we call the 12th? 12th, if that literally in the eastern horizon is where the sun rises to begin the day. Well, because like in the moment now, or in the moment of your birth, whatever’s in the first house will be first to rise, right? The sky spins and it comes up. The second is called a ent house, or succeeding.

[01:02:47] The stars in the second will succeed. The stars that are in the first of this given moment to the horizon, the 12th house stars have to go all the way around. They have to climb through the 11th and the 10th and fall through the ninth and the eighth and the seventh, they go down below the ground and go through the sixth, fifth, fourth, and then come up through the third, second first to rise.

[01:03:10] They will be, whatever’s in the 12th house right now will be last to rise.

[01:03:15] Oh my gosh. So the, so the first house, it’s almost like they’re first in. And then second in line. Absolutely third in line. Ah,

[01:03:22] okay. Thank you. And you’re totally sounding like a traditional astrologer. Like that’s how they spoke.

[01:03:27] Okay. So now a lot of these did delineations, like it’s the weirdest thing to say like the 12th house is hidden things. What? Like I just went out and watched the sunrise. I woke up early. I wanted to see mercury. It’s cold. I’m dealing with it. The sun is below the horizon in the first house. So I’m speaking quadrant houses here.

[01:03:45] Okay. Cuz in whole sign houses, it actually can be above, but it’s below the horizon. I can’t see it. . Right? Like, and then it rises into the 12th and I can see it. So why would you say the 12th house is hidden things? Because when the sun rises to illuminate the earth, he hides the sky at night. We can tell a time with the many, many stars by day there can be only one.

[01:04:10] And you can tell time by following the sun or putting a stick in the ground, or standing tall and watching the shadow. You know, we say the 12th house is hidden also like mental institutions. Well think about what so many people are doing at the time of sunrise and it’s sitting in rush hour traffic or dealing with a kid who says he doesn’t wanna go to school.

[01:04:33] Ah-huh. . Instead of being in that meditation, you know that space receiving the energies because you know, we’re here in the so-called real world and what now the Saturn tradition is said to rejoice in the 12th. Because he’s like, all right, you’re up here above the horizon up here, y’all. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

[01:04:53] Get to work. Let’s see what you got. You know? But Jupiter and the 11th, so let’s just say you’re, you’re running that like rush hour life. You’re rushing to work, dealing with road rage. 12. That’s the sun moving through the 12th. Okay? Gets to the 11th year. Now at your workplace community, the 11th, what’s up?

[01:05:13] Checking your emails. You don’t even get to work until the sun comes up to the 10th. Mm-hmm. . And you got a couple hours and you’re really dialed in. And then it’s like, cool, like lunchtime. I need a break. And some places it’s so hot, you actually like lock the doors and go and siesta. Mm-hmm. , right? That’s the sun and the ninth, where traditionally the sun is said to rejoice the house of God.

[01:05:35] All right? The eighth, you come back from lunch, you’re in this job, you probably want to be not be there . You know what I mean? It’s like quitting time. But it’s not until the sun comes down to the seventh, the end of the workday if you will, where you get to now go back to your relations. If that’s your case, come back to the ground, come back to earth.

[01:05:56] Think about food and nourishment. The sun goes down beneath the ground and now it’s night. So you can see why traditionally it’s associated with hardship and there’s other reasons for that that have to do with aspects and whatnot. But illness, you know, it’s like nighttime. Mars is said to rejoice in the.

[01:06:15] But he’s also kind of protecting Venus, who’s traditionally said to rejoice from the fifth, why? It’s passion and romance and risk. Why? Because the sun’s moving through that place. Like on average, eight to 10:00 PM you’re out of the club, you know, you’re watching the bands, whatever. And then after that, you’re coming home fourth house.

[01:06:37] Hopefully, if you know you’re blessed enough to have a roof to sleep under, you’re tucked in and dreaming the third house traditionally said the house of the goddess. Well, that’s like 12:00 AM to two p to 2:00 AM. So the dream language is coming through right? Second house, like you’re getting super nourished by your sleep.

[01:06:57] And then first it’s time to get up again and hopefully it’s the sunrise and not some alarm clock. So usually when people teach the houses, they’re gonna go first and second and third and the And, and it makes sense because like transiting planets are gonna go through that way because your chart is locked in time, right?

[01:07:15] But if we follow the sun through the houses every day because the sky spins, because earth spins every day, you will find sun from the 12th to the 11th to the 10th to the ninth, to the eighth to the seventh. Look around you and delineate in that way. So then the weird thing is, we’ll say that has to do with Moon and the 10th, even if it’s the middle of the night at Full Moon.

[01:07:41] right? But we do this with signs you know, so there’s a whole

[01:07:45] lot . Yeah, that was amazing. And, and halfway through this house series, I went, oh shoot, should we have done this? Starting with the 12th House and worked backwards, because I had this realization that like, wow, it doesn’t really go that way.

[01:07:57] But anyways, Brett, I just wanna thank you so much for helping us get to this 13th, uh, house series installment where we’re getting, we’re stepping back and getting a bigger picture of what the houses actually even are, why there’s so many different house systems, why there’s such a heated debate, what to do with conflicting information, where to start.

[01:08:20] It’s all so helpful. I, I realize as we’ve gone through this house series, we could, we could probably do the House series a hundred times with a different cast of characters talking about the different houses. We’d get different nuances about the house, sys the houses every time we do it. And it, it’s, it’s, it’s so complex.

Brett’s Inner Circle Mastery Class

[01:08:39] But again, this is the thing with astrology that I’ve realized, the more you know, the more you realize there is to know, the more interesting it becomes at every twist and turn. And this is one of the reasons why I love having you as an inner circle astrologer, super grateful that you’re gonna be joining us in the Inner Circle this year.

[01:08:58] Can you just give us a quick snapshot of the mastery class you’re gonna be

[01:09:02] teaching as an Yeah. One of my favorite things ever, which is Venus Cyanotic. Um, so this is cool because you know, you have Venus in your chart, um, but there’s also like a more collective cycle that you’re part of that was seeded sometime before your birth.

[01:09:20] And the way that I work with it, you share that with like 19 months worth of people. Okay, cool. There’s,

[01:09:26] there’s your own Venus placement in the natal chart, which means something. But then you’re also part of a, a, a sort of collective Venus group of people that has to do with w uh, which Venus cycle you’re born into,

[01:09:41] right?

[01:09:41] And then your natal placement will share something about how you can serve this greater thing. And I mean, I do that with all of the planets, but Venus is so, I mean, obviously so beautiful to work with. I’ll be teaching just at the time when Venus is being reborn as a morning star and in a Leo cycle. And there’s just so much creativity and art and fire.

[01:10:03] It’s one of my favorite things about this year. There’s some tricky astrology in that, and it’s one of my favorite things to teach, and I’ll do it through a good amount of astronomy, but also starry telling as I do like, one of the oldest story that we know of that was written is the story of IANA’s queen of Heaven of Earth descent into the underworld in return.

[01:10:24] And Iana is the name for Venus. Mm. In, in the Sumerian world. Right? So that whole story, it’s such a powerful story. It is the story of how we experience Venus in our sky. Mm. And the story of these cycles. So like aligning to that and seeing like how we can all collectively, regardless of what was going on in our natal chart, like serve any cycle in this moment of time.

[01:10:48] Because we are all of the signs, we’re all of the cycles, we are every house, right? But then also tuning into the natal position and how we can like kind of plug in and like, it’s like in Shamonic astrology Mystery school, they call it the Venus Overtone. Hmm. Like the mercury overtone, I like to say over mine.

[01:11:06] So there’s like, you have your mind, but then there’s like this kind of larger collective thread for you to collect, connect into collective consciousness, and there’s ways to decode that in the Yeah. There,

[01:11:16] there’s another curve ball for all of you, especially new students who maybe haven’t heard this before.

[01:11:20] You’re all the signs, you’re all the houses . It’s like, what? What do I do with that? Oh my, I remember the first time I heard that it was like, oh no, God, are you serious? I’m just trying to understand me as the, the natal. Placements. So anyways, thank you everybody for joining us on this journey through the 12 houses and now here with Gemini.

[01:11:41] Brett looking at the, the, uh, house systems in general and what the house systems actually even are. Very grateful to be here with you throughout this entire astrological exploration. And if you’re interested in joining us for the

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[01:11:56] Inner Circle, we do have the wait list open right now. Enrollment will be open in March.

[01:12:01] It’s coming up very, very soon. Make sure you are on that wait list@astrologyhub.com slash IC 23. IC 23. Also Gemini Brett is available for readings on our Astrologer Connect platform. So you wanna check him out there.

Brett’s Astrologer Connect Link

[01:12:16] You can go to astrology hub.com/astrologer connect, find Gemini, Brett, and book a reading with him.

[01:12:23] And it’s amazing that you have made yourself available to our community in these amazing ways as a teacher, as a a, a personal consultant and guide. And we’re just really grateful for all of the work

[01:12:35] that you do. It’s my honor, it’s a community I love so much, and it’s so true to my own devotion of spreading the starry word.

[01:12:43] Um, I just wanna say friends, like if you wanna follow up about some of the things that you heard here today, like you can also come to astrologer Connect. And book a session, but just write in your intentions like, Hey, like I, you, I like it’s tip of my tongue. We almost cracked that code. What does this ninth house means?

[01:12:59] Falling thing or, or whatever. You know, like, I’m available for you through Astrologer Connect as a, as a mentor if you’d like, or just to do some private sessions. And I would be happy to do, that’s one of my favorite things to do, to teach. And it’s my great honor to also have this opportunity to tune into the Song of the Soul with so many people.

[01:13:19] And, um, yeah, and just reflect about what these planets have to say and their wonderful and wild language. So, thanks for having me here once again. And Amanda, it’s, uh, such a tricky and technical subject. Usually I like to show a lot of animations and illustrations and pictures and videos that I take outside.

[01:13:41] Yeah. People. I, I have in my YouTube page, which is Gemini Brett, a whole series of backyard astronomy videos. Mm, which is like a nerd with his camera outside pointing to things and talking about what this does and why this does and where the moon will be tomorrow. And like, those are kinds of things if you wanna tune into some of the astronomy that can be beneficial.

[01:13:59] And then I ran a really wonderful course at Astrology Hub called Sacred Astronomy,

Sacred Astronomy Gemini Brett

[01:14:04] where a whole chapter is based on houses. And you’ll get to see more of those animations and witnessing these things move not only in the chart, but in planetarium softwares and in sky videos, like tying it all together.

[01:14:17] But I always like to see, say, you can only learn so much on the small screen, like the true mysteries are out there and the big screen of the living sky. So get outside and keep looking up.

[01:14:28] And if you’re interested in checking out that course that Brett did with us, it’s astrology hub.com/astronomy, astrology hub.com/astronomy.

[01:14:36] You’re gonna learn so much. Your mind will be blown. It’s amazing. All right, everybody, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for making astrology a part of your life. Cannot wait to catch you on the next episode. Take care.

[01:14:47] Did you know there’s a whole universe that you can unlock with so-called minor aspects. Most astrologers don’t even use them, but master astrologer Brick Levine calls them harmonic aspects saying they’re key to revealing the deeper metaphysical dimension of a birth chart, including the creative, mystical, and unseen parts of ourselves and others.

[01:15:09] And if you want a taste of how powerful they can be, just listen to what he has to say about some of the subtitles in play. February and March forecast. There’s one other thing that happens in February by the 12th, Venus makes a subtile. That’s one seventh of a circle to Pluto. Venus makes a subtile to Uranus.

[01:15:27] Boom, boom. What are subtitles? They’re other worldly. They’re supernatural. Dane. Roger said they were fated. Things come out and things come through that were somehow in other realms and like Uranus, it’s like lightning striking. And I think the combination of Mercury going into Uranus as modern sign of Aquarius and all these subtitles, Will awaken us to the idea that we don’t see everything that we think we do.

[01:15:57] Of course, it’s not lost on me that this is the first week of foundation level three course, and it’s just such an overwhelming subtile message that we get. From the universe. I really think that this is gonna be a bit of a wake up in mid-February. If you’re ready to uncover these powerful unseen aspects in your chart, join us for Astrology Foundation’s level three with Master Astrologer rickLevine@astrologyhub.com slash foundations three.