Harmonic Aspects w/ Rick Levine

In this Cosmic Connection, Rick Levine and Amanda ‘Pua’ Walsh discuss the link between Math, Music & Metaphysics.

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🌑 The Power of the letter M
🌒 The difference between traditional and modern aspects in Astrology
🌓 What is a Harmonic Chart

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[00:00:00] Welcome to the Cosmic Connection. This is your place to explore the beauty and order of the cosmos. End your connection to it all. My name’s Amanda Pool Walsh, and I’m the founder of Astrology Hub. And I’m Rick Merlin, Levine, York Cosmic Navigator. Now let’s dive in. Let’s do it.

[00:00:31] Well, hello everybody and welcome. It’s so great to be here with all of you, and especially to be here with Rick Merlin Levine. Today we are going to be covering music, math, and metaphysics, what they have in common, how they’re related. Rick, I’ve often wondered, Why so many of the best astrologers are also very musically inclined, meaning maybe they play an instrument or they’re just very musically oriented and seem to have a gift in that area.

[00:01:02] So I think we’ll probably uncover some of the reasons for that here today. And, uh, do you just wanna go ahead and take it away? Well, I’d just like to jump in and say what, what they, what music, math, and metaphysics all have in common. Is the letter. Very true. Alright, well, we’ll that’s it. We’ll that was my, on the next episode,

[00:01:25] Awesome. Okay, so let’s start, I mean, music, math, and metaphysics, they seem unrelated and, and then obviously what this has to do with astrology. Well, let me, let me start off with the letter M because I was only being half facetious. Hmm. Um, linguistically. Our language is vibration. We in effect, we hum. We make our vocal chords vibrate and as we do, we change the shape of our mouth and our tongue and we alter how those sounds come out.

[00:02:01] But basically, language is vibration and the ancient languages, especially of Hebrew and Sands. Um, were considered to be sacred languages because they were connected, uh, much closer to the natural hum than the modern English or whatever languages we speak. There’s very, something very special about the letter M, and in fact the letter N, and in fact the letter S and even the sound s h, and that is unlike the sounds, T and dt, duh, this other sounds, including m, have no beginning and no ending.

[00:02:44] You know what I mean? Think about it. The word.

[00:02:51] Home. Home is so different than, you know, than, than the word steady. I mean, can you, there’s, there’s a whole different sense to it and words that have no beginning and no ending. There are sounds that do, are often associated with the cycle of vibration and the moon, even the word moon, mom, you know, home these, they’re just owl.

[00:03:19] They, um, and in fact when you compare the um, Asian languages, As a whole to the western languages, the Indo-European, um, romantic languages. Um, we find that in the, um, eastern traditions, there’s no or very little sound of, it’s more like a, um, it, there’s, it, it, it’s more just flowing like that. And. The idea of on the surface, Music, math and metaphysics have anything in common.

[00:03:59] And I said, well, they’re all M words. The fact is that they all touch into that area that is beyond, um, beyond what is physical, even math, which we consider to be a basic language of, of how things work. You know, advanced mathematicians ex live in this total mental imaginative, theoretical framework. So bringing this background a bit, I got, you know, kind of, uh, um, intrigued by the alliteration of hmm.

[00:04:36] And music, math and metaphysics. In some ways what music and math, we’ll get to the metaphysics part in just a moment. What music and math have in common is that music is at its absolute fundamental level mathematical period. It is mathematical and it was s um, the guy who gave us the A squared plus B squared equals C squared, the law of the right triangle.

[00:05:14] Um, the guy who gave us, that was actually the, um, excuse me, the leader of a secret initiate order. Um, that was, um, called the Order of the Golden Apple. And, um, and they were very, um, high mentally, spiritually, um, they were all vegetarians. I mean, it was a very interesting, um, uh, initiation process and it was a secret tradition.

[00:05:47] And, um, and the, the thing about path Pathis is that he also. That there were no such thing as solid things in the universe. That everything, everything, which is an interesting, um, oxymoron unto itself. Everything is vibration. Meaning that things are not things, they’re vibrations. And he taught that the universe consists of vibrations.

[00:06:20] And he also taught that no vibration could exist alone. That vibrations arose in sympathetic harmony. Sympathetic harmony sounds a little like we’re already into the realm of music. Well, pys, um, amongst other things and amongst the law of the right triangle, the A squared plus B squared equal C squared.

[00:06:46] Pagus also gave us something else that a lot of people don’t realize. He gave us the scale that we use. He’s the guy that figured out that if you take 12 equal steps in frequency from one note to the next, that at the 13th step you get to what we call an oc. And an Octa is a note. That’s, um, one, um, uh, it’s, it sounds the same, but it’s higher.

[00:07:17] I was looking around, I thought maybe I had a flute laying on my desk, which I often do to demonstrate this. But, but I’ll try to do it by, by voice. And my, my voice, um, is a voice that is made for silent pictures when it comes to singing. But you have a note like, Hmm. And then you have a note That’s an Octa hire.

[00:07:37] Hmm. Hmm, and that note that

[00:07:46] those notes that are in Octa part are in fact the frequency of the low note. Doubled and it was behas who figured this out, that there was a spatial relationship between what we hear and the length of the string that’s vibrating. It’s why when we’re playing a g a guitar or any violin bass, when, when we shorten the string by playing with our fingers, well, as the string length changes, the note gets.

[00:08:23] As the string length shortens, and if the string is shortened in half, let’s say you have a string that’s, you know, that’s one meter long, um, and you take, and you cut it in half so that you have two strings that are half meter long. The half meter long strings will make an octave to the meter long string.

[00:08:46] Well this, um, coupled with the. That Pythagoras also claimed that the planets themselves generated. Music. In fact, the term, the music of the spheres comes from pys. Remember, this is the guy that said everything is vibration. That solid things are, are a distraction, are a, um, uh, there it is. What we’re seeing is not necessarily what we’re getting.

[00:09:21] We’re seeing. Solid things. You know, I, as I said it, I hit my desk and shook my camera. Um, but these solid things are a result of, of somehow, of vibrations. Interesting. Interestingly, um, in the Hindu system, uh, it’s considered that the world that we see is actually not the true nature of reality. That we are shielded from the true nature of reality by what the Hindus call Maya.

[00:09:57] It’s like a veil, um, um, like almost like a curtain that prevents us from seeing what’s really there and what’s really there is just vibrating particles. Albeit very high frequency that vibrates so fast that we don’t even realize the entire universe is pulsing on and off several hundred trillion times every second.

[00:10:22] The entire planet Earth is like a, like a, like, um, firefly with a pulsing on, off, on off, but just simp. Millions actually trillions of times every second. So we don’t notice that. We just see things persisting. A solid form. So this idea of the music of the spheres, um, is intriguing. Because normally we think of music in the range of what we can hear.

[00:10:54] Uh, in other words, um, I’m gonna show my geekiness right now. Um, when a concert, um, when, when, when, when, when a, um, concert, uh, symphony Orchestra. Tunes just before the concert. And everyone’s kind of, you hear all the different instruments kind of sounding and tuning. They’re all tuning to one note. And that one note is the note.

[00:11:18] That’s a, uh, and for those of you who don’t know music at all, the notes in music go A, B, C, D, E, F, G with sharps and flats in there, and then back to a again and uh, and a Symphony Orchestra tunes to the note of. Below middle C. Middle C is the middle key on on a 88 key piano, and that note is 440 cycles every second.

[00:11:49] Our ear. Is picking up on a beat that is simply pounding against our ear at 440 times every second. And if that note, um, is doubled and made an Octa higher, it’s beating 880 times every second, uh, on our ear. And our ear can hear beats from down around 50, 60, 70. Times a second. Um, uh, all the way up to 40, 50,000 times a second.

[00:12:26] Now let’s go to the planets, because the planets are beating out frequencies. When we look at the sky and we see the moon, we’re seeing this big rock in space, and we say, ah, the moon is in the sign of Libra. Um, or the moon is nearly full, and in the sign of Aquarius or Leo or whatever sign it might. But we’re looking at the moon as, as a, as a hunk, as a, as a thing, as a thing.

[00:13:05] However, the moon is also a wave form the moon. Just like a note, we can hear beats at like a 440 cycles a second. The moon beats at 13 cycles a. Way too slow for us to hear it with our ears. But it’s not too slow for us to dance to it for our, for our, uh, organs, in our bodies, um, to be entrained to it. And entrainment is a very important word when we step into the realm of, um, math and music because it turns out that cycles that are close to each other in frequency, Kind of naturally entrained to one another.

[00:14:03] There’s a story of, um, the, um, the Dutch clock maker, um, um, Christopher Hoggins. Um, I guess this is probably back in the 16 hundreds or early 16 hundreds. And he was making clocks with pendulums. And he’d noticed that if he had like a dozen clocks mounted on a wall and he started all their pendulums and wound them all up and made sure their pendulums were moving, um, before he left his, his workshop at night.

[00:14:33] And he’d look up and he’d see all the pendulums moving at different kind of, uh, rhythms and or different synchronizations. And he’d come back in the morning and they’d all be. Together at the or, or if anyone on the east coast, on the west coast, we don’t have fireflies. Crazy thing. But um, but in most of the rest of the United States, in the evening time, in the summer, it’s amazing to watch, um, a firefly appear in a field and it’ll go blink.

[00:15:05] And then another one will appear, blink. Blink. And as it gets darker, by the time it’s dark, the whole field is going, blink. Blink. They’re all entrained. We humans are like that. Um, when you put a bunch of women together in a, uh, communal living situation, their menstrual cycles tend to synchronize. Nature conserves energy by in training to larger rhythms and.

[00:15:39] Johannes Kepler picked up on this idea, used it and wrote about it. And incidentally, many people know Kepler as the guy, um, who created the laws of planetary. Invented, discovered, might be the best word, discovered the laws of planetary. Um, motion to calculate where the planets are in any moment in time.

[00:15:58] Um, and, um, and, and many people. Uh, know that Kepler was also a, uh, an astrologer. In fact, he considered that to be his calling from God and his astronomical work on the mathematics of how the planet’s moved was really. A, I don’t wanna say a side project, he was obsessed by it, but it was, the obsession was so that he could get accurate location of where the planets were so they could create, so he could create accurate and real, real charts.

[00:16:32] Um, incidentally, um, Kepler’s daytime job was mathematics. That was the title that he held, mathematic. And the mathematic was a, an appointment by Emperor Rudolph, the, um, emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. Was no longer part of, of Rome. Um, and as mathematic, as Kepler’s job was to keep time for the make calendars, to keep time for the whole empire.

[00:16:59] So Kepler many people don’t realize, also contributed quite s um, quite significantly. To the understanding of music and music theory. And here again, like Pagus, we have this crossover between the music of the spheres and the music of the ears. So, um, so in, in starting this conversation, um, I just wanna point out that that music is mathematical.

[00:17:33] That there is a mathematical understanding to when you. A frequency. Um, we hear the note differently at a higher frequency. It’s a higher pitched note at a lower frequency. It’s a lower pitched note, but we often, we can hear three instruments that are playing the exact same note, like, um, like a trombone playing, playing, um, a, a note and a cello in that same range, playing that same.

[00:18:06] Um, and an alto sax, um, playing that exact same note, they’re all playing the exact same. The same frequency, but we can tell that there’s something different about them. If someone played to you, those three instruments playing the same note, you could very easily go, oh, that’s the sax, that’s the cello. And you know, and, and, and that’s the, um, trombone.

[00:18:31] There’s no problem in telling the difference, but the frequency is the same. What’s different? Well, now we’re gonna jump back to Pythagoras who said no vibration. Arises alone, they always, vibrations always arise in sympathy with other vibrations. Sympathy like, like, um, resonance, you know, I don’t know if anyone’s ever done this, but, um, anyone who’s probably ever, you know, um, experimented with mind altering practices of any short sort, has probably yelled into a p a piano.

[00:19:09] Ah, and hurry here. All the strings vibrate or been holding a guitar and loud music is playing, or someone else. And you can feel the strings of the guitar vibrating too. This is called Resonance. It’s used in all electronic and, and digital circuits where resonance is created to create, uh, um, some sort of, uh, So we have this idea that when we hear a note, We’re hearing, let’s go back to that 440 cycles a second.

[00:19:45] But as that note is played on the various instruments, it also creates what, what are called overtones, um, or harmonics. And a harmonic is simply a mathematical. Extrapolation from whatever that base note is. Let’s just go back to a moment. I’m not gonna delve in here much further on this topic, but let’s go back to that A below middle C at 440 cycles a second.

[00:20:15] The second harmonic would be 880 cycles a second or one octa up. But there are all kinds of other harmonics. There’s the, there’s the, um, um, two thirds vibration. There’s the one and a third. There’s all these mathematical numbers that create a sound like a brass instrument, which sounds harsh to our ears because the harmonics or overtones are kind of disrupting, or in some ways conflicting with the fundamental or base.

[00:20:51] Whereas on a cello, you have incredible resonance. Um, and that resonance is created by overtones that are more like notes that go together well. Um, um, A perfect fifth is a good example. The sound that’s in Gregorian chance and that, you know, it’s do fa mm-hmm. . That connection is an open and beautiful and easy connection.

[00:21:18] And then you can take two notes and make it sound either happy by a major or a minor, um, uh, relationship with one another. And here’s the deal. It turns out that Kepler. Being a fan of Pythagoras’s work, um, realized that the music of the Spheres was not just some idea, it was not just a, a metaphor. I know this guy that wrote this book called I Never Metaphor, I didn’t like, it’s a great, great title for a book.

[00:21:52] All right. Um, it, it was, but this is not a metaphor. This isn’t something to describe something. That Pyres and Kepler, when they talked about the music of the Spheres, they actually understood that the vibration of the planets, we see them as orbits, as cycles, but every cycle is the completion of one vibration.

[00:22:16] In other words, a vibration like a pendulum goes back and forth, but if you add a third dimension, it’s going around. And so the planets as they go around, are creating. Rhythms. Um, they’re creating pulses. They’re creating hums. They’re just octaves and octaves and octaves too low for us to hear with our naked ear.

[00:22:39] Um, and, and so we don’t perceive them as musical. We see them and we perceive them as. These big objects in space. And incidentally, although I don’t want to go down this rabbit hole right now, and I’ve talked about this at, at other times, um, many other times, this is actually now put into perspective by quantum physics that says that we live in a universe that is actually alive and vibrating and.

[00:23:14] Particles are basically a wave that is being measured in a moment. In other words, light for example, travels like a wave. It propagates like a wave, and yet when we go to measure it, we measure it and we find that there’s a photon, a packet, a particle of light, a. A thing. And so, um, this, this whole idea of, of modern physics, realizing that things can be a particle and a wave at the same time really corresponds to astrology.

[00:23:51] And we as astrologers are coming out of a couple thousand year tradition of looking at planets as particles. And yet now we’re beginning to understand. And this really began, I think, in earnest, in the mid 20th century, um, uh, with the work of, uh, the humanistic astrologers, Dan Raja, and, uh, people like John Addie who started delving into the mathematics of harmonics because Kepler was the first astrologer who said that the Zodiac signs don’t, Ima don’t matter as much as we think they do.

[00:24:30] What matters is the relat. That a planet is making with another planet. And in, and in, uh, digging into that, he, um, realized that when you switched gears and looked at those mathematical relationships, that the magic of the number 12 of 12 signs in the Zod. Is that with 12, we can get a triangle, n a square, n a six pointed star, which are all sacred geometrical figures.

[00:25:06] And even going back to Play-Doh, the triangle N Square. And the, and, and the um, um, star of David, um, to intersecting triangles each have their own inherent meaning. And so what Kepler realized though, is that astrology artificially eliminates the sacred geometry of a five pointed star. And so now it’s the mathematics of harmonics that enabled ke.

[00:25:38] To step out of the old sign based aspects developed by Tami. Excuse me. And step into the world, which we now call harmonics. So this idea of, of music and math is absolutely an easy thing to see and to make the connection to between, because ma, because music and mathematics are totally intertwined. Uh, music is mathematical now going to metaphysics.

[00:26:12] I’m just gonna touch on this here, and then we’re, then we can come back into a conversation. But the fact is that there’s some sacred geometries, there’s some music which actually makes us wanna move. It has real reggae , you know, it’s like, how can you listen to reggae without moving your hip? Um, there’s just something about the beat and the structure, and then there’s, on the other end of the spectrum, there’s stuff like John Cage or where, where, or Brian Eno, where they’re just sounds and they sound wonderful and beautiful, but they’re not connected to this world.

[00:26:52] Now, in a way, the Twelvefold Zodiac creates aspects that are physically. Manifest, if that’s such a word. They are. They are they, they manifest physically. And this is where astrology has focused for thousands of years. An astrologer will look at when you got sick, when you got married, when you were born.

[00:27:17] These are particular moments that are physical, um, when you got married, when, when, when, you know, uh, they, they look at characteristics, physical. They look at things as to how you interact with people in the outer world. When something happens that your life explodes. These are all manifested external event.

[00:27:38] However, there’s a whole sequence or series of events that we really, as moderns just begin, began to develop language, um, at the, um, at the Neptune Pluto conjunction in the late, in the 1890s where we had the rise of the philosophy and mediumship and Sigmund Freud wrote the interpretation of dreams. This was not about physical.

[00:28:04] In some ways, dreams are metaphysical. They don’t manifest in the physical world. And so as we step into the realm of harmonic aspects that are not based upon the um, uh, uh, uh, on the tmeic or the Hellenistic aspects, um, based upon the 12 signs of the Zodiac, we step out of the zodiac and we open up an entire universe that was previously invisible or meta.

[00:28:34] Those are my opening words.

[00:28:39] your opening words. Wow. That was an, an entire universe in and of itself, Rick. So, okay, Michael. And by the way, thanks. Thanks for the mug. You’re welcome. I’m glad that you love that mug. I love this mug. It’s so great. This from Amanda a few years ago. Yes. Okay. All right. So. If I’m understanding correctly, when we’re looking at harmonic aspects, we are looking at more of the metaphysical part of our chart, the beyond the tangible aspects of ourselves when we are focusing on planets and signs and the tmeic aspects.

[00:29:22] This is the more physical part of our reality. So these are like the tangible, physical part. And it’s it, when you were talking about harmonics, it’s like the wave. And when you’re talking about the planets and signs as particles, that is more the physical man manifestation in our, I would love to say yes.

[00:29:42] Okay. And in theory, yes, but not all harmonics are meta. Mm. In other words, as we go up the harmonic scale, there are some harmonics that actually resonate with the physical. Ah, so that, for example, we have a conjunction, which is one complete cycle, 360 degrees, and then we have the second harmonic, which is an oppos.

[00:30:15] You take the number at the bottom of the fraction, a half a cycle, that’s a second harmonic, and then a square is one quarter of a circle. That’s a fourth harmonic. Hmm. So all aspects are harmonics, but not all harmonics are tmeic or Hellenistic or physical. . Okay, so, so what you were saying was true, but harmonics includes all the physical and then has an an infinite universe of metaphysical.

[00:30:51] Okay, so Tracy says, I’ve recently learned my chart is a ninth harmonic chart. So my question is, Okay, let’s, let’s say we all find out what, what our chart is from a harmonic. Yeah. First of all, let me interrupt you in saying, uh, say that, that what, what, what she is actually trying to say, I believe, is that her chart resonates in the ninth harmonic, but that doesn’t mean it’s a ninth harmonic chart because she might have two planets that are square, that’s a fourth harmonic.

[00:31:24] A chart in itself can’t be. Harmonic. Ah, A chart in itself can be stronger in certain harmonics, and I should say with great respect. This really now touches on the work of David Cochran and vibrational astrology. As I think you know, Amanda, David and I were only born a few weeks apart. Yeah. He has my airy telium in Taurus, and so he’s taken a lot.

[00:31:52] Uh, he, I’m not saying he’s taken what I’ve done and done this, we’ve, we’ve both explored a very similar area, but as the Taurus, he’s taken it into a concrete form where as an Aries I’m pushing the newness and the, and the conceptual form, but vibrate. But anyone who’s interested, Seeing how what I’m talking about actually works in reality.

[00:32:15] One might look at one of the hundreds of a YouTube, um, uh, offerings that David Cochran has on vibrational astrology, even the word. Vibrational astrology to me is the same thing as saying harmonics because we’re talking about the planets as vibration, not as solid particles. Okay? So there’s no, there’s no way to really take the sum of all the harmonics in your chart and then make it and put it all together.

[00:32:46] The Moody Blues, um, did an album many, many moons ago in, called In Search of the Lost Chord.

[00:32:55] I mean, it’s a, there, there theoretically there is a hum. There is a, there is a fingerprint, there is a something. And when you listen to, let’s say a, a musical performer, um, if you know a music musical performer, you can hear the first few notes of a new song without knowing what the song is. And you know, it’s that performer because they have a.

[00:33:19] Hum. They have a certain fingerprint, they have a certain sound, and so that is their, their resonance, right? But if you look at the chart, they might have a whole bunch of fourth harmonic stuff. Uh, and in fact, some of the most, um, um, versatile polymaths in history have charts that resonate in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth harmonics, or ninth.

[00:33:46] The ninth Harmonic is a, is a. Frequency that was, is used, um, extensively in Veic or in, um, um, uh, in Hindu, in in, in, uh, in Joti in the eastern tradition, they used the ninth harmonic as a, uh, chart for calculation. And I don’t wanna get into talking about specific harmonics here, but you can’t have a chart that is a ninth harmonic.

[00:34:11] Hmm. You can do a ninth harmonic, you can create a ninth harmonic chart for anyone. Mm-hmm. , some people, those charts will hum and resonate. And other people, you create a fifth harmonic chart and there’s techniques to do this. You could create a fifth harmonic chart and for some people that chart screams and for someone else, that chart has, um, has, has, has nothing.

[00:34:40] Um, and by the way, someone just commented something, I don’t know if, if Joe or someone can take it down, but it has nothing to do. It’s a long comment on herbs. Yeah. Okay. So there’s basically, this is the. underpinnings to residents. Like when, when you are in resonance with someone or something that is, you are harmonizing with them.

[00:35:05] And this is like, you could call it love. You could call it love. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And this is like the mathematical underpinning of that. Okay. Exactly. I have a question for you when, so we talk a lot about actually visually connecting with the planets. So going out outside, and seeing Saturn and seeing more.

[00:35:25] A very important thing to do to feel connected to the thingness of the universe to where we are. Right. Like a GPS system. Exactly. So when you were saying that cycles close to each other naturally in train It is, is visually connecting with a planet actually helping you? In train to the frequency of that planet, thereby being more receptive or capable of receiving the transmission of that planet, for example.

[00:35:59] I agree. Okay. Yeah. , was that a yes no question. Was that a yes? No question. I mean, kind of but then, then the answer is yes. Yeah. Uh, I mean, um, you know, learning how to listen to music changes how you hear, you know, how, how you hear a song, right? When you hear a chord and accord progression, that becomes recognizable.

[00:36:21] It just doesn’t change the fact that if you know nothing about music and you hear a song you like, you know, you like, It’s like wine. You give a wine to five people and a couple of people will think it’s the best wine ever, and someone, two other people will think this, this wine is awful. And so the same thing is true with resonance and vibration.

[00:36:41] And yet I must also point out that two people can meet and have a resonance. But if that resonance is all based upon the second, fourth, and even eighth harmonic, remember the second harmonic is opposition. That’s, you know, a half of a cycle. Mm-hmm. , the fourth harmonic, a quarter of a cycle is squares an eighth.

[00:37:04] Harmonic is a half a square. And a square and a half semi square Sesqui square. And in fact, we can even look at a half of a half of a square. These, this series of dividing a cycle in half and half again and half again, and half again and half again at infinitum that these make, um, angles of, of conflict.

[00:37:27] Mm-hmm. of, um, and, and conflict on the surface sounds bad. But, uh, as William Blake wrote in the Marriage of Heaven and Hell, without conflict, there is no progress. , you know, that, that, that, and he writes elsewhere in that same train of thoughts. He writes, um, um, uh, true friendship is opposition. In other words, when you, when you have some sort of conflict, it’s resonance.

[00:37:55] But it’s uncomfortable resonance and a relationship built only on the second, fourth, eighth. The hard angle aspects is resonant, but you might end up hating each other overnight and that’s it. Unless there were some smoother resonances to make one feel the love that we feel. Hmm. Okay. Bliss GPS has a question.

[00:38:19] I, I wanna see if you have an answer to this. Is there harmonic and chakra alignment? Correspondence? Um, yes. I’m not, I I’m not really the, um, uh, my friend David Pond has written a book about, uh, astrology and, and the chakras. Hmm. Um, and yeah, I mean, part of the thing with any form of yoga ultimately is to harmonize our chak.

[00:38:47] you know, when we have a shocker that is, is out of balance, too loud, too quiet, um, unable to connect with the others, that creates a metaphysical, um, dise that typically con cho or develop into a physical dise. So yes, there certainly is a correspondence and there are many tools. Aligning or realigning the smoother harmony between chakras, um, starting with meditation, with yoga, with various forms of, you know, mind exercises with music.

[00:39:25] I mean, music is a, an amazing way to, with sound healing. I, I, I mean, the list goes on and on and on. . Okay. So you said something else that was really, really interesting. I mean, you said a million things that were interesting, but you said nature conserves energy by in training with larger cycles. Did I say that right?

[00:39:47] You did. Okay. So is , is that another reason why for us tuning into the astrology can actually help us on many levels can serve our energy. So for example, Right now we’ve been having a bunch of retrograde energy and I’ve been trying to move things forward, but if I was really in training with the N the larger cycle, I would realize this isn’t really the right time.

[00:40:17] To be moving things forward, I should conserve my energy right now, and just by tuning into the cosmic rhythm, I would be conserving my energy. So on a very simplistic level, um, what you, what you’re saying is, is, is very, very accurate. Um, but on a very simplistic level, uh, in days of your, when there were no nuclear powered submarines and there were no steam engines, basically the way a ship would get out of harbor would be by rowing till it got into open season.

[00:40:50] Then they would raise their now. A sea captain would go to an expert who knew about the tides. And remember, tides are just changing rhythms. Ah, and they, and they knew about the tides because if they were to launch their journey out of the harbor, just as the tide was coming in, The rowing power would have had to fight against that energy.

[00:41:17] And by the time they got to open sea, when their energy was really needed, they’d all be exhausted, . Or in fact, they might not even be able to fight the tide in some places and they’d be basically just, uh, um, pushed by the currents back to shore. And the same is true whether we know about it or not, you know, trying to launch a major life.

[00:41:40] When Saturn is moving through the first quadrant, the first, second, and third houses of our chart doesn’t mean we can’t be successful or have some cool things going on, but if we’re looking at kind of setting a a 14 year, which is a half of the Saturn cycle path, you’d wait until Saturn got to the lowest point in the chart.

[00:41:59] Guess that’s the point at which the tide changes and that’s. Saturn opposing the midheaven is often such a dark night of the soul and such a change that then for 14 years, you’re riding that outward tide up to the top of the chart when you reach a culmination point. So what you’re saying is absolutely true.

[00:42:18] And the reason to learn or study astrology, whether we’re looking at the. Traditional physical aspects or incorporating the more magical and creative and soulful, um, harmonic aspects, in particular quintiles and subtitles, but it’s, it’s, it’s an infinite door, uh, or an infinite realm, but, but incorporating those into our lives.

[00:42:42] It doesn’t, it’s not about predicting what will happen in the future. It’s predicting about when those tides will change so that as we look back in our life and see how we’ve responded to those tides in past, we can better engineer a plan to make a use of actually going with the current when the time is right and fighting the current when necessary.

[00:43:09] Okay. How are you going to be bringing some of these concepts to life and, and making them applicable to our charts and to our lives in the upcoming quintile subtile class? Oh, that, that actually is the easiest part because once people, astrologers, astrology students, even beginners, once they look at a handful of charts of famous people and see these patterns in their chart, it’s, you know, it would be like, like going through your entire life as an astrologer.

[00:43:47] Never having heard of Mars. You know every chart you did, you did. But there was just no Mars in it cuz you didn’t know that Mars existed. Your readings would probably be okay, you’d get by, you’d be missing a whole dimension. But when someone said, look at Mars and watch what this does, look at this person who has Mars in Capricorn and this person who has Mars in Gemini, and let’s look how different.

[00:44:10] Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. That’s the amazing thing about the Uranus Awaken or lightning strike going on. The, the, the course will be a, a, a, I don’t wanna say it’ll be a course in Uranus cuz Uranus is not what the course is about. But people who go through seeing how these aspects work in other people’s charts and then looking at their own chart, go, holy shit, I never, I never realized, and I’ve got, I mean, I’ve done charts of.

[00:44:39] I was gonna say hundreds, but probably more like a hundred or so professional astrologers who I’ve known for decades, and showing them aspects in their chart that they’ve never looked at. They went, I mean, again and again, I see the. Oh my God, I’ve, I’ve been working with my chart for 30 years. I’ve never, this makes so much sense, you know?

[00:45:00] Oh my God. And so that’s what happens. So, so it’s, it’s, it’s as easy, what’s that saying? It’s as easy as falling off a, a log, you know, a rolling log in, in the water, whatever that. . Um, it’s, that’s the easy part. Um, the hard part is getting people to be in a position to open their minds, to re make them realize that the world we live in today is not the same world that our ancestors lived in, in Greece in 2000 years ago.

[00:45:25] Not to take anything away from those technologies and those things. It’s so important and so magical as what’s happened over the past. 30, 40 years of the recovery of that information and how many people are interested in it. At that time, people were concerned with their physical life of how are they gonna get food?

[00:45:46] How are they gonna get water? How are they gonna live? How are they gonna die? What’s gonna happen to them? There was so much of a different sense. I mean, um, Marshall McCluen said that we used to, um, you know, live in a jungle and had to gather food. Now we live in an information jungle and we gather information.

[00:46:05] Hmm. It’s a very intriguing shift because food is physical and information is meta. Physical. Mm-hmm. And this is part of a much larger shift that I’m writing about in my, um, upcoming book, quantum Astrology, um, about the shift that humanity has been through, where the physical universe used to be all there was.

[00:46:32] E except for mystics who have always known this stuff. I mean, you can trace the invisibility, the invisible metaphysical for part of the universe all the way back, you know, to Lao Sue, you know, writing about the way. What is it? Well, it’s not a path. You can’t take it. It’s not a practice. You can’t do this ritual four times a day and get there.

[00:46:54] It’s a metaphysical concept. So mystics have known about this through every religion and every culture. But now in modern times, we’ve all been forced in some way to become mystics because we’re all moving around in metaphysical universes. Meta, I, I hate the fact that that. Um, you know, Gary Zuckerberg has taken my favorite word and made it the name or half of it, the name of his, um, company.

[00:47:24] I love that you, you’ve said Gary Zuckerberg on two different podcast episodes and it’s perfect because his name, his name’s Mark. Zuckerberg, is it really? Who’s Gary? Who’s Gary? No, I dunno. But you, I love that you, Gary, whenever you’re, uh, now I gotta Google. Gary. Gary. There’s a Gary something in there.

[00:47:42] Whenever you’re unhappy about this meta thing, you always message. That’s funny. Well, it’s, it’s, it’s because, it’s because I, I hate what he’s done to the word enough. That I won’t say his name. It’s like not saying God’s name out loud. I don’t know. Well, great. I know. Um, regardless, from now on, I’m just gonna call him Zuckerberg

[00:47:59] Um, but, but, but the point is that, that for over, for, for, for nearly 50 years, When, when I’ve been asked, why are you interested in astrology? My answer has really been the same, and my answer is because I’m intrigued and curious as to how meta. becomes physical. Hmm. That’s been my an that’s, that was my stock answer.

[00:48:30] I mean, in, in, in, in the, uh, early 1970s, how does meta become physical? And it becomes physical through some act of vibration that’s based upon sacred geometry, the shape of things, which is a planetary configuration. Um, and, uh, you know, and there is a magic. To this, what we might call crystallization of, of, of nonphysical form into physical form.

[00:48:58] It’s important enough that it’s the opening words. Uh, in the beginning there was the word. , and, you know, and, and, and the word actually is a translation, trans translation from in the beginning there was logos. And logos is not just a word that stated logically. Logos is a magical concept that says the vibration matches.

[00:49:28] What was ready to become physical but was not yet physical. When something is logical, you know, even, I mean the word logos in Christianity, it’s an important word because logos is that truth that is spoken, and once it’s spoken, it sets things in demotion. In the beginning there was the word, and so even that is giving physical form to the vibration of what previously existed.

[00:49:56] Only as a thought. All right, so does that mean the word astrology, which is Astro logo logos? Absolutely. Does it real, does it mean then literally star truth spoken and becoming physical? I like it. Yeah, it actually it does. It does. It does. Wow. Okay. Okay. Another question, and I think this probably could be another cosmic connection, but I just recently saw a post, oh, first of all, I wanted to, to say the, uh, foundation three wait lists that the, uh, r l in case you’re listening to the podcast and didn’t see it on the screen, it’s astrology hub.com/foundations, the number three, and then wait.

[00:50:37] That’s how you get on the wait list to know when enrollment is open for the harmonics class that Rick is gonna be teaching for us in February. Okay. I recently saw an astrologer post online on Facebook or something that. You actually can’t see the soul in the astrology chart, that there is no way to see the soul in the astrology chart.

[00:51:01] And the astrology chart isn’t even a map of the soul. And so I sent it to a few astrologers, Natasha and Gemini. Brad, I should have sent it to you and said, do you agree or disagree with this? And I think it’s fascinating because from what I’m hearing from you, , it might be arguable that the way that astrology has been practiced for the last 2000 years maybe doesn’t touch the soul as much, but this element of astrology that you’re, you’re advocating for all of us to bring into our practice is touching the realm of the soul.

[00:51:37] Is that correct, true or untrue? What are your thoughts about that? It’s true. And in fact, um, I I, 25 years ago, one of the lectures I gave at one of the national conferences was finding soul in the birth chart. I mean, it’s, and, and in, in the course, we actually have a whole piece on that as to really, I mean, what is, what is soul?

[00:52:04] I mean, according to William Blake Soul. Is merely that portion of our body that we can’t perceive with our five senses. , that’s his, I mean, a wonderful statement about, in fact, this is such a good line. I think I could go right there and my, this is my family Bible. This book has been beat up for like, you know, I’ve had this book for.

[00:52:27] What’s it called, Rick, for people who would love to read your family Reportable Blake. It’s basically an, um, it’s basically, um, the selected writings of William Blake. I have, I probably have tw 20, 15, 20 books back there on my bookshelf on Blake, but this is the book. I mean, page is falling out. I mean, you know, but, um, but basically here, here’s, here’s the quote.

[00:52:53] Man has no body, no body, distinct from his soul. Man has no body distinct from his soul for that called body. Is merely a portion of soul discerned by the five senses. Mm-hmm. Which are the chief inlets of soul in this age. And I love that line in this age. Yeah. Meaning that we’re coming from a period of time where, where we, if we couldn’t perceive it physically with our five senses, you know, then it didn’t exist.

[00:53:28] and we live in a world now where we know that the five senses are just the tip of the iceberg. Mm-hmm. , I mean, we don’t necessarily, people have different senses and thoughts about what is beyond that, but we know there are all kinds of extra sensory perceptions if you talk about the senses only being the five, five senses.

[00:53:51] And so this is Blake basically saying that body is, is the. That we can perceive with our five senses in this age, meaning that this will change, that we’ll be able to perceive other parts of it at other, at other times. Mm. Okay. Brilliant, brilliant line. This has been so much fun. It, it’s re reminded me of being.

[00:54:12] In, in college and one of those amazing professors that you just love and everybody lines up to listen to the professor speak. That’s how this has felt. Rick, thank you so much. So, so before, before we bring it to a close, let’s understand that the, that that, another thing that music and math ha have in common is that they’re both universal languages.

[00:54:35] It doesn’t matter what language we speak, um, if you play music, Um, regardless of your cultural, you know, orientation, it’s going to, you’re gonna be able to, you know, feel it, perceive it, move to it, and mathematics the same. Mathematics transcends all language. And so as we step into this harmonic realm, um, and, and, and move, and again, this is not meant to replace.

[00:55:03] Tmeic astrology, Hellenistic, astrology, any techniques that you’re already using. It’s just to point out that there’s a Mars out there that you don’t know exists. And once you know that it exists and begin to use it, it, it can change how you see things because you can see things that were previously invisible, just as the soul is to the patriarch.

[00:55:26] Invisible. It’s a, this is a part of the re feminization of astrology. There’s no question about it at all. I mean, this, you know, th this is the idea of bringing soul back into it, because it used to be that no one, that an astrology wouldn’t give a crap. about what was going on for you internally or emotionally or spiritually.

[00:55:47] They just wanted to tell you, this is, this will happen then you’ll get divorced here, you’ll get here, you’ll get better here. And we now know, I mean even going to Jung’s autobiography, you know, which was a book, his autobiography was a book called Memory Dr. Memories, dreams and Reflections cuz he said, I could tell you about all the objective things in my life, but it would be unimportant.

[00:56:10] let me tell you what’s important. Let me tell you about my dreams. You know, that’s a real autobiography, and this is part of Astrology’s. Step away from the patriarchy and reclaiming a more holistic view, including those things that the patriarchy didn’t even know existed, or at least tried to make not exist.

[00:56:30] That is the world of, you know, water and earth, the, the feminine, you know, the feeling, the feeling. . I have so many more questions that I could ask you, but I’m, I’m flagging them in my mind for future episodes. So yes. More to come. Rick, thank you so much. This has been so much fun. If you’re interested in joining Astrology Foundation’s level three, where we will be going even deeper into these harmonic aspects.

[00:56:57] Uh, the Quintiles, the Peptiles, what other, what other tiles is that it. Well, we’ll be looking at the, um, at the quintile, subtitles, octas, and no vials there. We, we’ll also take a little bit of a look into the turnstiles kitchen tiles, infantiles and Reptiles, but those are for more advanced students. ? Those are bonuses.

[00:57:19] Yeah, . Oh, okay. Great. Uh, you can join the wait list right now. The class is happening in February, so just make sure. And, and by the way, people should know that although if you’ve taken foundations level one and. That’s great. We’ve already touched on some of these things a little bit there. Uh, but if you know the planet signs and houses, I mean, if you’re, you know, a, a solid beginner or an intermediate or even advanced professional, I, I mean, you’ll gain out of this.

[00:57:47] You don’t have to have the prerequisites of, of one and two in order to take this particular course. Perfect. You can get on the wait list now, astrology hub.com/foundations. The number three wait list. We are gonna be opening up enrollment in a couple weeks, so the wait list will be the first to know and the first that are able to join the class.

[00:58:09] Can’t wait to see you all there. And thank you everybody who is here live. It’s been so fun to see the comments in the chat. If you have not yet subscribed to our channel, go ahead and hit the subscribe button and also the notification. So that you know when we are on live and you can catch these live cosmic connections and the other live shows that we do on the channel, Rick.

[00:58:31] Amazing. I mean, yay. Oh God, I love, great to see you. Great to talk with you. You too. These are just the most fun. I love when you get on a roll on these topics and it’s so great that we get to, we get to share here your real passion in astrology, which is what you said. How did, how did. Become physical. How does something occur out of nothing.

[00:58:53] You look at your life, you look around your room and you see, you know, your, your home and you see your kids and, and, and the gifts that you’ve gotten from and the people and the things that you’ve bought and just, I mean, your experiences and all of that manifested in a constellation around Amanda. From nothing.

[00:59:14] Right. That’s the magic. It’s fascinating. Yes. All right. Thank you so much. And the fact that we can explore that through astrology is like, it’s the, it’s the coolest. Rick, thank you so much for being here. Thank you everybody. My pleasure. Thank you. And thank you for making astrology a part of your life.

[00:59:32] Everyone. We’ll catch you on the next episode. Take care.

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