Saturn Sextile Uranus: The Gateway To The Future Opens w/ Rick Levine & Steve Judd
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- 0:00 – A Saving Grace in Chaotic Times
- 1:17 – Saturn Sextile Uranus: What It Means
- 3:45 – How the Sextile Plays Out (April to Jan 2026)
- 8:03 – Neptune in Aries: Manifesting the Dream
- 13:10 – Disillusionment vs Discouragement
- 19:55 – The Window Closes After 2026
- 25:00 – What Individuals Can Do: Gut Instinct & Integrity
- 32:45 – Uranus & the Meta-Physical War
- 36:40 – London Symposium Details + Event Promo
- 42:30 – The Apprenticeship Is Over: This Is the Time
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“We’re at a turning point—maybe the most important change in the trajectory of human evolution that we’ve ever seen.” – Rick Levine
“This is possibly the most significant period, astrologically speaking, in human history—or at least in the last 10,000 years.” – Steve Judd
Transcript:
00:00:00:05 – 00:00:29:06
AMANDA
Well. Hello everybody, and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. I have two very special guests with me here today. These men don't really need an introduction. I have Rik, Merlin Levine and Steve Judd, two incredible legendary astrologers that we are so blessed to have as a part of our platform. Today we are going to be talking about a transit that they say potentially could be our saving grace for this entire year.
00:00:29:08 – 00:00:43:08
AMANDA
The other thing is that it's going to enable us to bring some structure into what might feel like a very chaotic time. Lots of amazing opportunities with this. Let's dive in, you guys. First of all, welcome to the astrology Hub podcast. I'm so happy you're back.
00:00:43:13 – 00:00:48:01
RICK
Well, I'm happy to be here. I can't speak for Steve. He's still on the other side of the world.
00:00:48:03 – 00:00:56:00
STEVE
I'm not only on the other side of the world. I mean, I'm in the past. He's in the UK for the middle of nowhere. But, yeah, let's just hope the internet holds out.
00:00:56:02 – 00:01:16:24
AMANDA
All right. The other thing is, these two men are hosting a live event in London at the beginning of May. So any of you, we're going to talk about that later at the end. But if you want to meet these guys in person, learn from them in person, along with a whole host of incredible astrologers, and spend some time in an incredible astrological community.
00:01:17:05 – 00:01:30:16
AMANDA
That opportunity is coming up so you can check the show notes for the links. And we're also going to be talking about it more at the end of this podcast. All right. So let's talk about Saturn sextile Uranus. Why is this a big deal.
00:01:30:18 – 00:01:33:21
STEVE
Would you like to get first Rick. No doubt. Yeah.
00:01:33:23 – 00:01:36:13
AMANDA
Well the Aries is not going first.
00:01:36:15 – 00:01:40:16
RICK
I have my cancer. Moon is acquiescing to the cancer sun.
00:01:40:18 – 00:01:42:01
AMANDA
Perfect.
00:01:42:03 – 00:02:09:00
STEVE
We live in chaotic times. We live in. What's one of the craziest times of human history? Yeah, underlying all of the drama. We have a sextile between Saturn and Uranus, which is within range now. It's about exact. Now it's been brewing for the last month and a half, and it's going to be hanging around for the next ten months in my textbook, in my language.
00:02:09:06 – 00:02:31:16
STEVE
A sextile can be summarized as a window of opportunity. It doesn't make don't make things happen, but it brings opportunities for things to happen. And if you take them, yes. Right. And if you don't take them, there's nothing. Saturn and Uranus are not complementary. They don't like each other. They have a history and mythology of cutting bits off of each other.
00:02:31:18 – 00:02:33:05
RICK
Important bits.
00:02:33:07 – 00:03:03:23
STEVE
Important bits. Right? They're very macho, very, very male. But it's a sextile. So to my mind, Saturn's kind of try and bring a little bit of some structure and discipline into the more chaotic and undisciplined side of Uranus, whilst Uranus at the same time is going to be revolutionizing Saturn's boundaries and structures and changing Saturn's rules from concrete and steel into transparent rubber.
00:03:03:23 – 00:03:20:15
STEVE
Interesting. So we can bend the rules instead of breaking them and embrace new futures without going completely over the top. So I see it as a lovely aspect and as Rick says, a beautiful, graceful opportunity for the future.
00:03:20:17 – 00:03:25:07
AMANDA
Okay, let's talk time frame before we go too much further. When is this?
00:03:25:08 – 00:03:58:22
RICK
And I'll jump in here because this is occurring three times exactly. But as Steve already said, it's already been in play. But it's coming to its first round of crescendo on April 4th. And although we're recording this prior to that, this weekend or that weekend is going to be an incredibly potent and powerful statement of the next two exact perfections, the next one being on August 11th and the third and final one being on January 19th.
00:03:58:22 – 00:04:24:20
RICK
And that'll be 2026. So this aspect is really like Steve said, it's an opportunity sextile our cooperation. You know, you can think of a trine as two planets that are trying the energy just flows smoothly because it's the same element, you know, like fire to fire or air to air or water to water with it. With the sextile, you still have compatibility.
00:04:25:01 – 00:04:58:03
RICK
The polarity is the same. But here, we we have the difference is that the elements are different, but they're compatible elements. And so what happens here is that the energy of the restriction of the holding back of Saturn and the energy of the explosive electric shock and or an awakening of Uranus are giving us an opportunity to work with these two energies, which, as you said, are normally different than if you go back to 2020, 2021 in particular.
00:04:58:05 – 00:05:27:11
RICK
That's when Saturn and Uranus were square. And the and the beginnings of this bifurcation of the old and the new of the conservative and the progressive, of the holding in of the past and the stability of the status quo and the and the craziness and the unknown of the future. These two energies were a total odds, and now we're getting a taste of what happens if these energies actually work together, which seems impossible based upon the current climate.
00:05:27:14 – 00:05:29:08
RICK
But that's what we're in for.
00:05:29:10 – 00:06:05:13
AMANDA
What is? So we have three, three exact hits of this transit. Question number one, but don't answer it yet, is, is this opportunity for harnessing, for bringing structure into chaos and revolutionizing our lives through this very chaotic moment? Is that active all year? And that's question number one. Number two is what is the difference between the the three transits like is this period we're in right now, the kick off where we're sort of getting the storyline introduced to us.
00:06:05:15 – 00:06:09:19
AMANDA
What happens in August and then what happens in January.
00:06:09:21 – 00:06:35:23
RICK
I'll jump in here real quickly. And Steve, you can jump in whenever, whenever you'd like, because obviously you will. The deal is that, yeah, the three energies are slightly different, but there's the same thing that flows through it. Remember, all of this is leading up to the third and final transit is basically just a few weeks before the Saturn Neptune conjunction.
00:06:36:00 – 00:07:04:15
RICK
That people are already talking about in February of 2026. And so it's almost like the Uranus, the, the, the, the trine between Saturn and Uranus. It's, I'm sorry, the sextile between Saturn and Uranus. It's almost like that's loosening up Saturn so that when it joins with Neptune, that there is going to be that's going to be the finality, the finality of this whole process.
00:07:04:17 – 00:07:37:05
RICK
By the time that they sextile the second time this summer, in August, Saturn will have moved from Pisces into Aries, and Uranus will have moved from Taurus into Gemini. And so we're getting a almost like a glimpse of the future when we have all of this larger shift of Pluto in Aquarius and Neptune in Aries and Uranus in Gemini, making sextile and trine with one another.
00:07:37:07 – 00:08:03:23
RICK
And so it's culminating in something that we can't even imagine. I mean, we are at right now this, you know, period of March, April, May, June, July, August of this year. We're at a turning point in May, maybe the most important change in the trajectory of human evolution that we've ever seen. You know, and now that Neptune has touched into Aries, it's pulling our idealistic visions from our dreams.
00:08:03:24 – 00:08:13:24
RICK
It's like it's plucking them right out of our dreams and throwing them into the creative fires of Aries manifestation. And that's what we're walking into.
00:08:14:01 – 00:08:39:10
STEVE
I would add to this couple of things. Yes, we got the Saturn Uranus thing now. And that's as Rick so succinctly puts puts it, where that's prepping us for the final Saturn Neptune conjunction. But immediately after that there's a one time Saturn Pluto sextile, which will be the precursor for a once two year yearlong trine from Uranus to Pluto.
00:08:39:15 – 00:08:40:18
RICK
Exactly.
00:08:40:19 – 00:09:06:11
STEVE
Which is my hope for my big hope for the long term future. And and you asked me about what the difference is over the three periods I had this. I formulated my own ideas on this and it's a generic it doesn't just relate to this particular aspect, but with most retrogrades, I feel that the first pass brings events, developments, decisions.
00:09:06:13 – 00:09:38:15
STEVE
The second retrograde past deals with reassessment, reevaluation, reconsideration, retrospect, and the third and final past is either correcting what we've done wrong the first time or improving on what we've done right the first time, obviously has been changing signs, as they are with the Saturn Uranus sextile. That adds another dynamic because the the methodology, if you like, of the opportunities are going to change in the middle of the process.
00:09:38:17 – 00:09:42:06
STEVE
So it's very much like a surfboard on a wave.
00:09:42:08 – 00:09:47:11
AMANDA
What do you mean by the methodology is going to change? And then you're talking about August now, right.
00:09:47:13 – 00:10:16:12
STEVE
Well, sunset. So Uranus from Pisces to Taurus is going to be fundamentally different from sense. And sextile Uranus from Aries to Gemini one is going to be much more proactive, dynamic, assertive. And the others can be more reactive, and and less assertive I feel so question do we get done? Do we act or do we react? And the timing of when we choose to act as opposed to react?
00:10:16:14 – 00:10:35:13
STEVE
At the moment, most astrologers I know, it's just looking at the world and going, oh, I'm not going out there. You know, it's it comes to a point where astrologers are now being seen as the voice of sanity and reason in a world that's that's just. I've never seen this before.
00:10:35:18 – 00:11:02:11
RICK
Yeah. I also the other thing, I mean, Steve brought up I something that I've been talking about for years, something, Amanda, that we've spoken about a lot over the last year and that is what's going on right now is not what's going on in other words. And I'm not in denial. What's going on is absolutely real, but it's basically feeding a disillusionment.
00:11:02:13 – 00:11:25:08
RICK
And and, you know, an illusion isn't something that's wrong. And the illusion is something built upon wish fulfillment as defined by Freud, that that a wish fulfillment and creates an illusion. And it's like a dream, it's a fantasy. But then Saturn comes in and gives us the opportunity through hard work and discipline, to make that dream come true.
00:11:25:10 – 00:12:14:00
RICK
You know, it's almost like it's almost like like like Neptune creates this, this invisible framework or scaffolding that Saturn then allows us to create material reality on. And so this sextile between Saturn and Uranus is shaking Saturn up. I mean, it's it's basically rattling the cage of what we thought structure was. And it's doing that in an environment where not only, as Steve said, not only is Saturn sextile and Uranus, but but Saturn is also good to sextile Pluto, but also Neptune is going to sextile Pluto, all leading into this larger, thing of of Uranus trining Pluto.
00:12:14:02 – 00:12:45:01
RICK
Now that Uranus trine Pluto goes back to the 1960s when Uranus and Pluto were conjoined, and that that was the 1960s. It was the was the Uranus. Pluto conjunction. And anyone who said, you know, that they that the 60s were awesome or that it was powerful or that something didn't happen or whatever. Then we had the Uranus square Pluto in the early 20 tens, 2012 to 2015, where we started to see the world fall apart, like in a major way.
00:12:45:05 – 00:13:10:13
RICK
That was the square. Now we're coming into the trying. We're already getting flavors of it, but it's not matching up with what's going on out there because things are really being rattled. And so the important thing is to accept disillusionment. There's nothing wrong with disillusionment. Disillusionment is what happens when Saturn brings Neptune into the three dimensional world. That's never as good as we thought it was.
00:13:10:15 – 00:13:40:03
RICK
What the problem is, is that when when we get mistaken and we think that disillusionment should be discouragement because courage, you know, Coeur French is heart and and and it's okay to be disillusioned. That's dealing with reality. It's not okay to to trade that in for discouragement because what we do now, what we do today, this week, this month, these next few months is going determine what it's going to determine what's around the bend.
00:13:40:05 – 00:14:04:12
AMANDA
Oh, okay. I agree with Steve because because you both have touched on this, but I love to talk about it a little bit more. You've said one of you said I thought it was Steve, but now I'm thinking it was Rick that there's a window of opportunity that's open. And you just alluded to this again. So could individuals be having ideas, collaboration, you know, things, new things coming in.
00:14:04:14 – 00:14:28:16
AMANDA
And are you saying this is the time to take action on the things that are aligning with your vision or ideal that you have been wanting to bring into structure, and now there's opportunity to do that? Are you saying this is a window of opportunity to bring those kind of things in, and that if we don't, we could lose the opportunity almost.
00:14:28:18 – 00:14:50:07
STEVE
Almost. And because of the dance of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto over the last 60, 70 years, Uranus, she's always been sextile, sorry, Neptune has always been sextile Pluto. And when Uranus has been conjunct sextile, square trine any of the others, all three of them. There's been times in the last 60 or 70 years with Saturn has affected all three of the outer planets.
00:14:50:10 – 00:15:33:04
STEVE
Not many, but some. So this is not a, a completely novel situation, except that for the first time, Saturn is opening up gateway. Saturn is like the gatekeeper to use a Rick Levine expression to open up, up into the trans male transpersonal side of the outer planet. However, what if it's also the other way round? What if the outer planets are also acting upon Saturn and helping it transform its boundaries into something more pliant and more flexible, so that we no longer need to be limited by the old structures that we've lived under for many thousands of years.
00:15:33:06 – 00:15:50:15
STEVE
So when you say to me, is this a time for action? Bearing in mind the longevity of the relatively brief period we're in, I say no, not yet, because at the moment the dinosaurs are, gorging upon themselves.
00:15:50:17 – 00:15:53:01
RICK
Well said.
00:15:53:03 – 00:16:06:05
STEVE
Once that period is over, then the world's going to be well. Okay, so the old collapsed Western you. And that's where the astrologers will be at their most helpful.
00:16:06:07 – 00:16:30:13
AMANDA
What if the opportunities that are coming in are outside of the structure of the dinosaurs already? Like if there are things coming in that are already enabling us to play in a different playground and create things that are just not even, beholden to the old, are those the kind of things that could it could make sense to put some energy and direction toward?
00:16:30:15 – 00:16:35:08
STEVE
Well, you're talking about the singularity.
00:16:35:10 – 00:16:36:02
RICK
That.
00:16:36:04 – 00:16:38:00
STEVE
That soon.
00:16:38:02 – 00:17:14:04
RICK
I here we come are augmented reality, artificial superintelligence. I mean, all these things are sitting out there, I think, Amanda, that we're going to look back at the the weekend of April 4th, fifth, sixth when we get the first exact hit of this. And so much else is happening on that weekend, because Mars is in that picture, too, because Mars, is basically sextile, it's squaring Uranus, and, it's sextile Uranus and it's squaring Eris and it's trining Saturn all on the same day on April 4th.
00:17:14:06 – 00:17:48:15
RICK
And so we'll look back at the weekend of April 4th, fifth and sixth, and we're going to get a glimpse of what we're going to see later in the summer, when everything is moved into fire and air, rather than the water and earth where it is now. I think I agree with Steve. I think that, you know, this the retrograde thing that I envision, this is like you're driving down a freeway, let's say you're in Los Angeles and you're in six lanes of traffic and you're in the far left lane, and your exit is all of a sudden coming up, and it's on the far right, and you go, Holy crap, how am I
00:17:48:15 – 00:18:10:17
RICK
going to get over five lanes? And you somehow, you know, go lane by lane by lane by lane, and you pull off on that exit and you're driving along and you go poof. And all of a sudden you realize that your exit is five lanes over further than you thought. And you go, wait a minute, I thought I just changed lanes and now the exits on the left, and you got to go back the other way.
00:18:10:19 – 00:18:37:01
RICK
And then on the final third and direct, it's almost like you get the same repeat again. And so it's what happens in phase one. It's like the opening volley of of a tennis match by phase two, the retrograde rage. The serve has been returned and things may be different. You may be seeing things from the other side. Like Steve said, all the r e words, the the review, the reconsider, the all those words come into play.
00:18:37:03 – 00:19:06:11
RICK
And then you have what happened around the April 4th, fifth, sixth weekend. And what happened also then in the mid August that then becomes fuel for when Saturn and Neptune both move for the third and final time, or for the second time. They move from, from a Taurus into Gemini. Well, which is where Uranus is moving, and from Pisces into Aries, which is where Saturn and Neptune are moving.
00:19:06:16 – 00:19:32:08
RICK
And they all then make their trines and tiles for the third and final time with, with Pluto having grounded itself. If you can think of it, grounding itself in Aquarius. And so that's when the final action is going to begin to pick up. It's after the, the, the spring, the late winter, early spring of 2026, but it's going to be 26, 27, 28 where the things solidify.
00:19:32:13 – 00:19:55:08
RICK
And that's by that time we will lose the opportunity to make the changes that we are making now. And not that things won't always recycle, they do. But this is the moment. And when I say this, I don't mean April. I mean April, May, June, July, August, September. And then it begins to kind of come to a crescendo by next January.
00:19:55:08 – 00:20:00:04
RICK
February. And after that, I think we're locked into wherever we are for a while.
00:20:00:06 – 00:20:11:18
STEVE
I have I have to agree. I have to agree with you. Right. I think that this is possibly the most significant period, astrologically speaking, in human history, or at least in the last 10,000 years.
00:20:11:20 – 00:20:33:13
RICK
I you know, we've had this discussion, Amanda, before also because it just makes me sick to my stomach how every month, every astronomer, every astrologer in the world except for Stephen and and me, every astrologer in the world says this is the most amazing month ever. This is the most amazing full moon ever. Oh, my God, this has never happened.
00:20:33:15 – 00:21:06:16
RICK
I mean, this one has really never happened before. We are at a point in evolution where the combination of the technology, the social media that allows consciousness to change on a dime, I mean, we've never been at a point where the communication is so instantaneous, where where, you know, if we were talking about this back in the 1800s, you could have people, you know, rebelling on the streets of Berlin and in Rome and in London, not knowing that anything was happening anywhere else in the world.
00:21:06:22 – 00:21:25:24
RICK
And now this kind of global, you know, transit, it's almost like we're in this kind of cosmic feedback loop, almost like a Grateful Dead concert, where you have all these amplifiers aiming the music back onto itself. But it's cosmic music. We've never been in a place like this, ever.
00:21:26:01 – 00:21:45:04
STEVE
And if we need that, you need evidence of this. Only 30 years ago, who had the internet just 30 years ago? Who who even had an email 30 years ago? Well, 1 or 2 I did.
00:21:45:06 – 00:21:49:01
RICK
I just got my fingers.
00:21:49:03 – 00:21:50:11
AMANDA
I definitely did not.
00:21:50:15 – 00:21:58:05
RICK
9505 1525 I had my first email address in 94.
00:21:58:07 – 00:22:00:15
STEVE
My mom was 99. Okay.
00:22:00:17 – 00:22:23:15
AMANDA
I went to college in 96 and they offered an email address and I was like, what's that? And why would I want that? No idea. Okay, so because these are outer planets, we're talking about collective shifts for sure. How is this going to show up in people's individual lives, and what qualities can they cultivate to take advantage of the opportunities?
00:22:23:17 – 00:22:45:00
RICK
I just want to say that yes, they're outer planets, but Saturn is the kind of intermediate point at the conference that Steve and I are doing in, in Aubrey Park in the north of London. In May. One of the talks that I'm giving is about the de powering the disintegration of Saturn. Saturn used to be the king of the mountain.
00:22:45:06 – 00:23:09:21
RICK
Saturn right now is the. It's it's no longer the singular gatekeeper. It's more like the intersection or the inflection point between the external consciousness, the the, you know, the the cosmic and the personal. And so Saturn here has a major role to play as it brings those things into our individual lives. Didn't mean to just jump in and take over, Steve, but yeah that's potent.
00:23:09:21 – 00:23:21:00
AMANDA
So you so and Steve talked about this a little bit earlier that the role of Saturn is actually potentially changing that the influence these outer planets are having on Saturn is changing Saturn's role.
00:23:21:02 – 00:23:53:08
STEVE
But Amanda you asked what can individuals do about it. Yeah we've been said television, radio, internet, newspapers, media in this last hundred years in a way that's got built to to such a state now that nobody knows what truth is anymore. There is no truth anymore. So that brings an energy of distortion, of confusion, of escapism and of lies.
00:23:53:10 – 00:24:20:23
STEVE
So what can individuals do? Well, when your backs against the wall, you come out fighting or you lay down and die? One of the two and I'm trying to imbue all of my clients with with the idea of, yeah, thoughts for one thing, feelings or another. Intuition is even something else. But underlying all of them is animal gut instinct.
00:24:21:00 – 00:24:43:12
STEVE
We live in an animal body which gets immediate and nanosecond gut instinct, and by the time the thoughts, feelings, intuitions gold of is gone, it's what was what other people call bias filters. You just know when something's right, intrinsically and instinctively. And I'm trying to get my clients to really relate to their gut instinct because that is ours.
00:24:43:12 – 00:24:50:13
STEVE
It is. No one can change that. No one can influence. It is yours alone. And that never lets you down.
00:24:50:15 – 00:25:17:14
RICK
So Arthur C Clarke wrote, Arthur C Clarke, the guy who wrote, you know, 2001 A Space Odyssey and, and he's the guy who invented or or in science fiction. Imagine geosynchronous satellites that now are the basis of our, you know, communication network. Arthur C Clarke wrote. We now stand at the turning point between two errors, and that's error, not error.
00:25:17:16 – 00:25:41:20
RICK
Behind us is a past to which we can never return. This is so important because there's so many people who are so afraid of the unknown around the next bend, that people are wanting to go back and make things the way they were, you know, make things fantastic like they were before all this stuff hit. And and there is no going back.
00:25:42:00 – 00:26:05:16
RICK
And the problem is there's no quick and easy solution to our current complex problems. We no longer can expect a superhero to just come in and save the day. That's what people were hoping for. We're experiencing transformations that have no historical precedent, period. Accordingly, it's up to each and every one of us, like Steve said, as if we're backed up against the wall because in a way, we are.
00:26:05:22 – 00:26:31:03
RICK
It's up to every one of us to stay alert, to watch for meaningful signs, to act in, in mindful manners, with kindness and compassion. Because and I know I sound like a broken record sometimes thinking cosmically is a waste of energy unless we act locally. It's the little things that we do now that are going to add up to the larger social changes that we seek.
00:26:31:05 – 00:26:41:24
STEVE
And that is where the astrologers have such a vital role in the future of humanity. In just this next 2 or 3 years.
00:26:42:01 – 00:26:43:06
RICK
I agree.
00:26:43:08 – 00:26:45:13
STEVE
What a time to be an astrologer.
00:26:45:15 – 00:26:56:18
RICK
What time to be, what time to be a human. Do you know the saying, may you live in interesting times? You know from the Chinese was actually a curse. Did you know that?
00:26:56:18 – 00:26:56:22
AMANDA
Yeah.
00:26:56:22 – 00:26:59:19
RICK
Oh yeah. And we live in interesting times.
00:26:59:24 – 00:27:17:10
AMANDA
We do. Okay. What do you two doing personally to stay alert, watch for signs like trust your gut. Are there practices. Are there things that you're committed to to make sure that you're staying open to, you know, listening to the to the inner guidance?
00:27:17:12 – 00:27:44:01
RICK
Well, you can't you can't share water with someone who needs it unless you have it in your cup. And that becomes, this is not about, you know, selfishness. In some ways, it's about selflessness in the selflessness begins with taking care of ourselves. And that doesn't mean, being greedy. It doesn't mean from, you know, taking from others. It means making sure that your cup has water in it, which means taking care of business survival.
00:27:44:04 – 00:27:54:07
RICK
You. We have to survive day by day by day. This is Saturn. In order to think about anything cosmic. I mean, that's the that's the first thing in all of this.
00:27:54:09 – 00:28:19:17
STEVE
Also, I think that words like integrity, dignity and particularly authenticity, are wonderful things to aspire to. And whilst I personally feel I can never reach as high on those levels as I want to, I'm always getting better. And that's why I'm trying to encourage other people into becoming as well. Become more real inside yourself. Learn how to love yourself a lot or and don't be worried what anyone else says or thinks.
00:28:19:19 – 00:28:46:16
RICK
You know, I, you know, as you know, I do a regular monthly forecast, and my monthly forecast for April has the title of Boiling Point. And there's, you know, this, the author, Rebecca Solnit, wrote that the boiling point of water is straightforward, but the boiling point of societies is mysterious. We're at a boiling point, and and no one, including Steve and I.
00:28:46:16 – 00:29:10:16
RICK
Well, maybe Steve has the answer, but no, no, none of us know what's around the bend. The idea of astrologer as predictor is is gone because this bend is so bold, so large, so huge. You know, you can predict what's around the corner if you've been around that corner a hundred times before. This is a bend. We've never been around.
00:29:10:21 – 00:29:36:15
RICK
You know, there's that whole idea that if you put a frog in cool water and gradually warm it up, it'll become adapted to the heat and it'll boil to death. And then if you throw that frog or another frog into boiling water, it'll struggle. And to try to get out. Well, we're in a political situation right now around the world where one side of the coin says, we're in boiling water.
00:29:36:15 – 00:29:57:23
RICK
Everyone's freaking out. Survive, jump out of the boiling water, make whatever change you have to do because. Because you're going to die if you don't. And then we have another whole political movement that just says, no, we're going to be okay. We're going to make small incremental changes. But you know what? Oh, just all boil to death. It'll just take a little longer, I think Steve said this really clearly.
00:29:57:23 – 00:30:21:03
RICK
And I think in your question, Amanda, you said it. Also, the solution to what's going on right now is not in this or that. It's not in in red or blue or black and white or yes or no or free this or pent up that. All of that stuff is bullshit. It's all gone. We have with something's going to come that in some way is going to make us realize.
00:30:21:03 – 00:30:50:10
RICK
And I've been saying this for months, for a year or so that we're all in this together. It's like we're all marooned on this tiny little island, and we're going to all either figure out a way to get along and get a get out together, or we're not together. It's not about me versus you. It's about all of us, the 99% of humans versus the 1% that has taken our lives from us and in some way has kind of commandeered us into thinking that I'm against you and him.
00:30:50:10 – 00:30:54:16
RICK
He's against her. And there we again. That's all bullshit. That's got to go.
00:30:54:18 – 00:31:13:22
AMANDA
Is it reasonable to think that Uranus is playing a very strong role in this? Because Uranus is bringing in innovations and things that we can't even imagine to to transcend this, right? Wrong. You know, black, white, red, blue sort of polarization that we've been in every.
00:31:13:22 – 00:31:38:03
STEVE
Time Uranus has been proactive in human affairs over the last two and a half centuries, there has been some type of revolution, whether it be a literal, a violent, an economic, a spiritual. But there's always been some type of revolution. And now I think it's time to actually add another constant into that, to add a hyphen into it.
00:31:38:03 – 00:31:49:21
STEVE
And I'm quoting Terence McKenna here, who is one of the heroes I shouldn't have, but I do. It's time for a really evolution as opposed to a revolution. It's time for an upgrade in consciousness.
00:31:49:23 – 00:32:17:00
RICK
You know? And a lot of people are fearful, and a lot of astrologers are predicting, war every time in the United States history, every time Uranus is moved from Taurus into Gemini. We found ourselves in the American Revolution, in the Civil War, in World War Two. But we are at war. And you see, the thing is that the the old world in war, people beat each other up, whether they did it individually.
00:32:17:01 – 00:32:18:13
STEVE
And that was all private citizen.
00:32:18:15 – 00:32:43:07
RICK
And that's right. And then we did it more with, with these tools of mass destruction. Well, this war, as Uranus moves into Gemini, as it will this summer, is an information war we're fighting for who controls the idea of what humanity will become. That's the war. And it's already flaring up physically all around the planet. But this is not about a physical war.
00:32:43:07 – 00:32:45:19
RICK
It's about a meta physical war.
00:32:45:21 – 00:33:08:07
STEVE
And that's is why people like you and me and the other astrologers at this conference that we're doing are so out there at the moment trying to say to people, think for yourselves and use astrology because astrology is apolitical, I enemigo. It has no interest in bias or judgment. It just is.
00:33:08:09 – 00:33:32:15
RICK
Astrology is like it's like a GPS system. It doesn't tell you where you're going. Astrology is like GPS for time. It just tells you when you're going, you know? And so from that standpoint, astrology is in some ways the missing piece to what we already have with GPS. And it gives us the ability to understand the trajectory that we're on and where the key points are.
00:33:32:17 – 00:33:36:14
RICK
And this is a key point, there's no question about it at all.
00:33:36:16 – 00:33:44:21
STEVE
That's why we're having this conference at this moment in time. The right people are going to be there, and it's going to be possibly one of the most important astrological gatherings of all time.
00:33:44:24 – 00:34:32:23
RICK
And, you know, one, one, one of the, outstanding, I would say, may be someone who dwarfs Steve and I in one way, in many ways, is, PhD, historian, astrologer Nick Campion, who runs the masters program in archetypal astrology, which is really astrology integrated into the UK academic system. And I mean, I've known well, as Steve and I have both known Nick for for decades and, and he'll be doing a keynote talk on this, and he is the guy who is the singular or maybe, the a real authority on world astrology, the history of astrology, his impact on, on human history.
00:34:33:03 – 00:34:38:16
RICK
And, and it's really exciting that he's going to be at this conference. It's totally exciting.
00:34:38:20 – 00:34:40:13
STEVE
Because he.
00:34:40:15 – 00:34:52:07
AMANDA
Let's get logistics. So we're putting the link for this conference in the show notes. What are the dates? Where is it? What is the what are the nuts and bolts of this conference?
00:34:52:09 – 00:35:12:05
STEVE
The dates are the 2nd to the 5th of May 2025. The venue is a four star hotel about 20 minutes by train from north west London, from Euston or some Pancras in north west London. It's myself, Rick, Nick Campion, Penny Thornton.
00:35:12:10 – 00:35:14:17
RICK
So people who Penny Thornton is.
00:35:14:19 – 00:35:22:16
STEVE
Penny Thornton has been doing astrology, at least as long as Rick. And a lot longer than me. Does she.
00:35:22:16 – 00:35:29:13
RICK
Have any? Did you did you ever have any famous clients that anyone might know?
00:35:29:15 – 00:35:36:02
STEVE
It is a well-established fact that Penny Thornton was the external chair for Princess Diana. Yeah.
00:35:36:03 – 00:35:38:21
RICK
Yeah. No, no, no, that was an easy.
00:35:38:21 – 00:35:47:12
STEVE
Services penny to say that for herself, but she she makes no secrets of, She doesn't boast about it. It's is not if ever in her camp.
00:35:47:15 – 00:35:50:11
RICK
It's just what class of astrologer she is.
00:35:50:13 – 00:35:52:16
AMANDA
She's going to be an inner circle astrologer next year.
00:35:52:16 – 00:35:53:20
RICK
200.
00:35:53:22 – 00:35:55:18
AMANDA
I didn't have her on our roster.
00:35:55:18 – 00:36:00:20
STEVE
Too, but I have Penny Thornton and Rick the Vein and Nick camp is Steve Jobs, and access to analysis and.
00:36:00:22 – 00:36:29:05
RICK
Analysis is is also an educator, someone who's written about, you know, the adolescents astrology. She's one of her, you know, magical things that she's done a lot of work on that. And I think this is one of the talks she'll be giving at the conference is how people in, in movies, who we know for starring roles, have charts that are so, and so such great affinity with the people that they're playing their the roles that we remember.
00:36:29:05 – 00:36:31:18
RICK
It's a, it's a, it's a brilliant concept.
00:36:31:20 – 00:36:38:05
STEVE
She's also she's also done more than almost anyone else in the astrological world and getting astrology into school.
00:36:38:06 – 00:36:39:10
AMANDA
Scene.
00:36:39:12 – 00:36:58:18
RICK
And also a lot of work with the East West as she she was the person behind, two conferences in India, one of which I spoke at, one of which I was awarded the International Astrologer of the year award from Eve in Calcutta. Kind of a crazy thing, but no, she. But but there's only, you know, there's five of us.
00:36:58:23 – 00:37:22:04
RICK
But the magic of this really symposium. Not a conference, is that it's going to be intimate. It's there's not going to be there's going to be enough people there that is going to be an entity. But the faculty is going to be accessible. We have events where there's going to be interaction. It's not just people on stage blabbing at, you know, at a large audience.
00:37:22:06 – 00:37:25:06
STEVE
And that's it. That's it. It's interactive.
00:37:25:08 – 00:37:30:09
AMANDA
Yes. And I know you're about 50% sold out already. So if you.
00:37:30:11 – 00:37:30:21
STEVE
If you are.
00:37:30:21 – 00:37:39:03
AMANDA
Interested in this jump because it's going to sell out and you're going to miss this opportunity. So we were talking about jumping into some things.
00:37:39:05 – 00:37:48:24
STEVE
And we're going to be showing episode zero, episode two and episode three of the documentary on the history of Western astrology. That and that's going to be a world debut.
00:37:49:01 – 00:38:03:02
AMANDA
And many of you have supported that, the creation of that documentary, many in our astrology have audience have contributed gifts to that. So you're going to be the first to see these, is are they finished, Steve, or are they like the ones you.
00:38:03:03 – 00:38:35:08
STEVE
Well, it's now 99.99% finished. There's two spelling mistakes okay. In the credits. Okay. Episode two on Greece and Greek astrology is now about 50% complete and will be ready to show at the at the symposium, episode three on Rome, we will show at least a rough cut. It's not the finished item. And episode one on pre-history, as in the stone circles, the bone calendars, the cave paintings, everything.
00:38:35:08 – 00:38:48:10
STEVE
The pre Greece in Western astrology including Babylonian, Chaldean, Egyptian, Sumer. We hope to have a rough cut of that, but I'm not promising anything.
00:38:48:12 – 00:38:57:20
AMANDA
I get the sense that this docu series is going to become required funding mental foundational education for so many colleges.
00:38:57:22 – 00:39:29:14
STEVE
Synchronicities are happening daily with this at the moment when we struggle for weeks and we really struggle when dealing with big, big corporate companies, you go, yes, okay, we can do this for you, but it's going to cost you this much in this budget. Become, well, we haven't got any choice. And then at the last minute, at the very last minute at the the other day, I had a phone call with someone who said, yes, we run a female led company that deals with hosting, marketing, distributing.
00:39:29:16 – 00:39:39:17
STEVE
And that conversation happened at the moment that Neptune moved into Aries. So much synchronicity around this universe wants this to happen.
00:39:39:19 – 00:39:54:21
AMANDA
Yeah, and I'm sure there's things happening like that in your lives too. And I think if there's anything to take away from this conversation, pay attention, be alert, internalize the things that are coming through. And really, I mean, this is the time.
00:39:54:23 – 00:40:19:11
STEVE
This is the time where people who are astrologically knowledgeable astrological students, astrological practitioners, or just those who have a mild interest to it need to step up and start speaking that truth and inspiring other people to trust their own selves. And it's people like Rick and Penny who have been doing this for ten years longer than me. And I've been doing it for 45 years.
00:40:19:13 – 00:40:24:09
STEVE
Who are at the forefront of this wave of change? It is our time.
00:40:24:11 – 00:40:51:07
RICK
I love Steve's biological, metaphor of being backed up against the wall and biologically having to do something, what I call reaching that boiling point. And, you know, many people, because there's so much unpredictability and unexpected change. And people are being driven towards extreme responses. On one hand, many people are just shutting down, overwhelmed, can't do anything.
00:40:51:07 – 00:41:29:12
RICK
Why bother? Disillusioned and discouraged. On the other hand, there are a lot of people who are being triggered into a sense of panic that's like propelling them into action. And although it's understandable to spiral into despair, denial on one side or panic on the other, it's our current engagement with humanity itself. Not sitting at a computer killing aliens on video games, but it's the current engagement with humanity that's going to ultimately determine the trajectory or the outcome of what's going on.
00:41:29:12 – 00:41:30:13
RICK
Now.
00:41:30:15 – 00:41:53:06
STEVE
I'm in. I'm in no fuel shirt alone on a holiday. And every night I've been stepping outside the door of where I'm staying. And I've been looking up and I've been seeing Mars and Jupiter. Pollux and Castor, Orion and, Andromeda, and particularly the horns of Taurus. And so I take my students out under the stars and go, look, this is I lived experience.
00:41:53:08 – 00:42:03:10
STEVE
This is not just about screens and books and charts. You're living under the stars with the stars. Feel the energy of it is a lived thing.
00:42:03:12 – 00:42:33:04
AMANDA
Steve, I have quoted your. The apprenticeship is over many, many, many times. And that's what I'm hearing from you guys. Like, this is the time your your design, your the mission that you came here to live is being activated. This is the time to listen and to do it. So I'm so glad you guys are here. I'm so glad you are helping to, translate the GPS system to us so that we can understand it and give us the alert that like, hey, no, no, no, you're sensing that this is a big time.
00:42:33:06 – 00:42:53:08
AMANDA
It is a big time. This is a big moment. Yeah. So you guys, if you want to be surrounded by this kind of energy, this supportive energy, this amount of insight and guidance from some of the best astrologers literally in the world, this is going to be the event to be at. It is May 2nd through fifth. Again.
00:42:53:08 – 00:43:19:21
AMANDA
We'll drop those links down. Make sure you, you you making a decision relatively quickly because it is going to sell out and it's already 50% sold out. So I am so honored to have you both on this platform. Once again, thank you for sharing your wisdom, your insights, your foresight. I mean, even what you just said, Rick, about this band is so is so extreme that really no one can see beyond it.
00:43:19:23 – 00:43:40:11
AMANDA
But we know that it's there. And both of you have given us some very tangible ways to cultivate things within ourselves so that we don't need to know what's beyond the band. We just need to keep following the blueprint that is within us. So thank you for this. Thank you for this opportunity. I hope many of you will get together in person.
00:43:40:11 – 00:44:01:20
AMANDA
There's I love online. Obviously there's nothing like being together in person. I hope that you you take advantage of this opportunity to do that. If you are in a position to do so and otherwise. Best of luck with this event. I am just I, I am very sad that I am not going to be there like this is this is just talking to you guys like, oh my God, how am I in spirit?
00:44:01:20 – 00:44:02:17
RICK
You will be there.
00:44:02:19 – 00:44:12:11
AMANDA
Yes, I will be there. Yes. All right. Thanks everybody for being here. Thank you for being a part of our community. Looking forward to connecting with you on the next episode. We'll see you soon. Take care.