Rick Levine on the Saturn Neptune Conjunction & February 2026 Transits

 

 

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  • 00:00 Intro
  • 00:51 Zero Degrees Aries – Next Steps
  • 09:10 Stellium Starts Things Off
  • 12:57 Uranus Next Last Steps
  • 14:16 Saturn Neptune Conjunction
  • 18:45 Eclipses
  • 20:33 Full Moon in Leo
  • 22:35 Zero Degrees Aires: Unprecedented Midpoint
  • 24:57 A.I. Cosmic Waysation
  • 29:38 Where Fear Lights the Way
  • 37:28 Midpoints & Protective Aspects
  • 43:18 Cosmic Complexity
  • 45:21 Mercury Retrograde
  • 50:52 Unraveling Next Steps
  • 53:46 Outro

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Transcript:

Intro
—

[00:00:00]

Laura: All right, Rick, so we are here to talk about February, 2026, which I feel like is a month. We've been talking about at least on this platform for a very long time. It's a big month. So if you had to give the month a word, a theme, an image, or something that everyone can walk away with, what would it be? it be?

Rick: Next step you know, by the end of this, if you ask this again~ ~

~what, ~what my words would

be, it may be different,

Zero Degrees Aries – Next Steps
—

Rick: but I've spent some time, ~I've spent a lot of time~ thinking about and looking

at 2026 as a whole

and month by month

just kind of cycling

through. And you say February is

the month that we've

been talking about.

Actually

for me, July is the

month that

I've been

talking about for 2026. But February has obviously an important event that we have not yet named. It's like he who shall not be

named.

And that obviously is the Saturn [00:01:00] Neptune

conjunction that

occurs on February 20th. And that's certainly a significant event, but it's part of a sweep that is a larger sweep.

And I'm really hesitant to put as much energy on that date as many astrologers are. I'm

happy to

be proven wrong because I don't know, and everyone else

who pretends that they

know, they don't know either. ~You know, ~we astrologers make this up as much as that,

~you know, ~people

hate to hear that, but we make it up based on real things.

But the fact of the matter is. That in previous Saturn, Neptune Conjunctions. It's not been about that date, it's been about that year. And

that year

for us has already begun, not 2026,

but

it began

back through

July, August of 2025, July, August, September, when Saturn and Neptune

came within a quarter of a

degree of [00:02:00] being exact.

And we began to

see this

dissolution of reality

and

I, and I think here, this really is the most important thing, not. February 20th, but of January,

February, March, feeding

into

crazy April, may, June, and then, oh

my God, launchpad is over. We're in the air

July, August,

September. ~And, and, and,~ and I think that it's important to understand

that

Saturn likes events because Saturn is particular.

~It, it's,~ it's three dimensional reality. Saturn is

the authority

of what we have when we confine ourselves to the world

of

matter, space and time. You know, Saturn.

Many people

say Saturn is reality. I've said here, I say here meaning on astrology hub and on the internet. Many times, quoting Rob [00:03:00] hand, who has I I think

back in the seventies,

wrote that astrologers have always taught

that Saturn is reality and Neptune

is illusion.

Whereas

now we're learning

that

Neptune is reality and Saturn

was

the illusion. ~There was one.~

~And I think that this is part ~

~of a much ~

~larger sweep that I know~ Saturn joins up with Neptune every 35, 36

years,

but this one is different than anyone and everyone that

has ever occurred for

two primary reasons, three reasons.

Reason.

One is that going back five or 6,000 years, which our astrology software can easily do, Saturn has never conjoined Neptune at the starting point of the Zodiac, which in astrology is an important enough point that some branches of astrology, cosmo biology, and

uranium astrology

use what they call the Aries [00:04:00] Point zero degrees Aries.

They map it in a chart as if it was a planet. That's how important zero degrees Aries

is,

and the Saturn Neptune conjunction has never occurred before at this beginning point where the cycles begin.

So it's not

just a conjunction of reality. Or what we thought was a reality, the three dimensional world and Neptune, the world of imagination, spirit,

and everything

beyond Saturn.

It's

not just

that conjunction, it's that conjunction happening at the pro generative point in the cycle, something new. That's, that's number one out of three.

The second

thing is that this

conjunction is occurring

at the midpoint of Uranus and Pluto, which right now,

because of

retrograde motions of retrograde motion of Uranus is almost six degrees away from its exact rine [00:05:00] to net to Pluto.

Uranus right now is at 27 degrees of Taurus.

Pluto is

at three degrees of Aquarius.

Their

midpoint is at zero degrees of Aries.

So what that

means is that this Saturn, Neptune conjunction is occurring sextile, Pluto on one side and Uranus on the other. While Uranus and Pluto are moving into five successive exact rines, beginning in July

when

Neptune will still be at their exact midpoint.

Now by degree, because in July Pluto ~will be at three, ~

~will~ will be at

four degrees of Aquarius. Neptune will be at four degrees of Aries, and Uranus will be at four degrees of Gemini. And so this Saturn Neptune conjunction is really just a catalyst setting up a larger reaction. ~Are you with me here?~

That's the

[00:06:00] second of

the three things that make this difference. The third thing may be the most important, and it's non astrological, and that is humanity has never been at a point where instantaneous feedback around the globe is so prevalent and so,

Ubiquitous that it's creating something. Kind of like when we hear a rock concert and we get that, that feedback loop that creates new sounds because the, the, there's a re amplification of the energy and we get that kind of rock sound that it has to do with feedback.

We

are getting that now because

of social

media, because of ai because of,

Of all of the internet related

technologies. We're getting that. And it's not just like a,

an auditory feedback loop.

It's what I'm calling. Cosmic feedback loops, meaning

that

these patterns that are coming in astrologically are being

captured by

[00:07:00] everyone's cell phones and videos

and being

played online.

And then

every time

something resonates to those points, again,

all

these videos from last

week, last month, last

year where that

pattern was

prevalent, popped back up, kind of feeding in the information in a way that we've never experienced before. So we are

stepping into new territory. We've

already. On February 1st,

stepped

into new territory because

for the

first time in 165 years, Neptune is in

Aries for the

long haul.

It tipped into Aries last year, but now it's there

for the long

haul. And of course, it will be followed ~by by, ~by Saturn. Saturn moves into Aries behind Neptune. Saturn moves into Aries on February 14th, and then of course, their exact conjunction at zero degrees of Aries occurs on February 20th. Now, after saying this wasn't the most important event of February, I've spent

a lot of [00:08:00] time because it is

a catalytic point, but it's also feeding something else that happens through February.

We're coming

out of a January where we've had~ a, a, a,~ a coalescence. The astrological word is a stellium, but this has been more than a stellium.

It's been a

coalescence of the Sun, mercury, Venus, and Mars, all within a tight conjunction. In fact, the Sun, Venus and Mars were part tile conjunct in Capricorn with Mercury.

Then moving through that mix

and

obviously the moon at the New Moon, and we had an incredible Capricorn sobering lineup.

Then by the end of january,

Stellium Starts Things Off
—

Rick: we now start on February 1st. We have

a, a

crazy lineup or stellium of the Sun, mercury, Venus, Mars, and Pluto in Aquarius having just experienced. Each of the personal [00:09:00] planets, meaning the sun and the Moon and Mercury, Venus and Mars, one by one conjoining Pluto.

That has been a tremendous, powerful statement because they've all conjoined Pluto after they've all tried Uranus, and they've all sexed Saturn and Neptune. So we're in this sweep of events, and what happens in

February is that all of these

planets that at

the beginning

of the month are

in community minded,

futuristic,

technologically enabled

Aquarius by the end of the month, by by February 28th.

Those planets are all in Pisces, with the exception

of Saturn

and Neptune,

which are now moved into

Aries. And I'll tell you why this is important. Now,

technically on March 1st.

Mars

is

still an Aquarius, but by the second it's

in Pisces also.

And, and what we're really ex and of course, the [00:10:00] Sun, mercury, and Venus all move into Pisces one at a time.

Mercury moves into Pisces on February 6th.

Venus moves into

Pisces on February 10th, and the sun moves into Pisces on February 18th. And

this one

by one by one gives us a. ~Retro aggressive I don't wanna use the word re retroactive, but it's like, ~

~yeah, it's like a ~

retro view of what we're leaving because on a larger scale, we're moving from a world of water and earth into a world of fire and air.

And so

we've

had Saturn and Neptune in Pisces, Saturn and nep Saturn and Pisces for the past two and a half years. Neptune and Pisces for the past 14 years, they're now es escaped into Aries or,

or through February are

escaping into Aries.

But the personal planets

are still in Pisces.

And

so there's a part of us

that's not

ready to

let go of

the old,

and

that's how I see [00:11:00] February.

It's the next step, but.

It's kind of the image

that I have.

I'm,

I'm laughing at

myself before

I tell you what the image is because it's a biblical image. But in no way am I a biblical person. ~I don't ~

~even know what that ~

~means. But the image is that when, ~when the Jews left Egypt and they were wandering around in the desert, they weren't allowed to enter the promised land until all

the old people who had experienced

slavery in Egypt had died off.

And so

they wandered around in the desert for 40 years, is what the biblical story is. And that Moses couldn't go into the new land

until he, until he died off. And it's almost like

we have

this taste

of the new Now

Pluto is in

Aquarius. It isn't going back into Capricorn for another couple centuries.

We have Neptune and Saturn now both in Aries. They're not going back into Pisces. Saturn won't go back

into Pisces for another 26, 25,

[00:12:00] 26 years. Neptune won't go back

into Pisces

for another 150 ish

years.

Uranus, however, isn't quite into Gemini yet, although it touched

into it. It's kind of

hanging back in

earthy

Taurus and as we have all these planets moving through Pisces through this month, and they're basically moving through Pisces and eventually we'll each make

sex tiles

with Uranus eventually.

Uranus Next Last Steps
—

Rick: But in February, they're all making squares with Uranus. And this I think is a significant piece of the month. In fact, mercury squares Uranus on February 5th,

Venus Squares Uranus

on February 8th,

the Sun.

Squares

Uranus on

February 16th and Mars squares [00:13:00] Uranus on February 27th. Now, why is this important?

These are all stirring up the revolutionary radical even Aquarian kind of energy because, you know, Uranus and Saturn are the co rulers or the guides for planets in,

in, in, in the

sign of Aquarius. But here,

these planets moving through Aquarius

are

not comfortable with Uranus

in Taurus because Uranus and Taurus doesn't make change easily.

Once Uranus moves into Gemini, change is gonna be

the status quo. Right

now holding onto the structures is

the status quo,

but they're rattling. So I think largely speaking, the month of February becomes the

next step on

the way to where it is we're going, understanding that

Saturn Neptune Conjunction
—

Rick: we're getting

to ~a~ the most highly focused moment

of

an aspect that may be the most unfocused aspect [00:14:00] possible.

And that is when Neptune disperses dissolves and

kind of

~invisibles,~ disappears Saturn,

which

is the planet of crystallization and and condensation. And so we have kind of this

moment where the mist

of illusion, Neptune. And remember, illusions aren't unreal.

Illusions aren't even untrue.

William Blake wrote in The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, what is now proved was once only imagined.

Caroline Casey says that imagination lays the tracks for the reality train to follow. I say Neptune basically creates the invisible scaffolding and framework

upon which Saturn

[00:15:00] crystallizes three-dimensional reality.

So what happens when

Neptune and Saturn come together is that what we thought was real gets lost in the midst of illusion.

What we

thought was stable, whether it was the government, religion tradition whatever the history, whatever the facts

are that we thought were facts, then we can

go back and trace the Saturn Neptune conjunction for several centuries and look at what was dissolved each time Saturn

joined up with

Neptune.

But what is it replaced by? It's replaced by the dreams, the imagination, which then takes years for it to solidify and precipitate into the three-dimensional world. Because Saturn's job is to precipitate the mists of illusions like rain

into the

three dimensional world. But what happens is that ~once those, those,~ once those clouds of illusion [00:16:00] become crystallized

into snow or

rain,

we

become disillusioned.

Because an illusion isn't bad, it isn't untrue. It's just not three dimensional. And even when our dreams are realized, they're never quite as.

Brilliantly

colored. They're never quite as perfect as they were in dreams. And that's what disillusionment is. Disillusionment

is a

really good thing because we realize what was not real and what can potentially become real.

And

this is what's going on right now. We are feeling

it. We're feeling it with, with everyone

focused on three I

Atlas. What is

it? What's real, ~what's,~ is there an

intelligence

out there?

We're focusing on it ~with ~with what's going on. In revolutions where the dreams ~are,~ are being felt on the street and being met, ~the dreams of of Neptune are being felt on the streets ~

~and they're ~

~what's being met, you know, by, ~by the traditional Saturnian, authoritative

governments.

Whether that's ~in in, in, ~[00:17:00] in Gaza, or whether it's in Sudan

or now

in Iran or on

the streets of Minneapolis

or wherever it is. We're feeling this where Saturn, the authority is meeting

the dreams

and what will happen ultimately. I don't know. And neither do you and neither does anyone else. And ~anyone who says they do, ~anyone who says they do know get the hell out of there 'cause they don't, because.

What

will precipitate out of these dreams depends on what we do today, tomorrow, next week, next month, and next month and next month until it begins to solidify throughout the summer and then over the

next couple

of years. Because remember that your Uranus, Pluto, trying with Neptune still at that

midpoint

is an on off dance until the spring of 2028.

And so that's what we're stepping into and that's

why

what happens on February 20th is less significant than what we do [00:18:00] or what we did

or didn't do in

January and February and what we may do or don't do in March, April, may, June, July, and so on. It's part of a, an ongoing process. And remember also, and I didn't mean to skip over this, we also in this process

Eclipses
—

Rick: have the first of a two

of

two

eclipses in February.

And it's not that

I think eclipses are unimportant.

I think

they're tremendously important,

but again,

they're just

parts of the catalysts in this larger sequence

of events. And the and the new moon eclipse of in Aquarius on February 17th occurs when the sun and the moon are square to Uranus.

I'm coming back to those dates when each of the other planets are square to Uranus. Mercury Square, Uranus on February 5th, Venus Square, Uranus on the eighth. The sun is technically square. Uranus the day before the eclipse on the

16th. And

then Mars [00:19:00] sweeps through in squares a Uranus on the 27th.

This is all highlighted. Engagement between

the old and

the new, or between wanting to hold things in the status quo, even though we know things need to change. And we may see some active or reactive difficulties coming up

at these

times, but even this eclipse is part of a larger transition. And that larger transition, I believe, has to do with what we're gonna be speaking about,

what, how our

feelings are gonna be communicating.

Because Mercury, at this eclipse, it will be at 16 degrees of Pisces. This is the eclipse on February 17th, the aquarium new Moon eclipse. Because Mercury will be at 16 degree, 16 degrees of Pisces trining Jupiter at almost 16 degrees. Of cancer

having just turned retrograde. And

remember, Jupiter is pulling back, slowing down because Jupiter will turn direct [00:20:00] next month in, in March.

And so

it's an incredibly dynamic moment, and the eclipse is important.

Full Moon in Leo
—

Rick: I mean, even the fact that February opens with a,

With

a full moon.

I mean, on, on February 1st

we have that,

that full moon that occurs,

At 10:08 PM in

that Pacific

time. So for people on,

The

East coast, it's really

at, ~you know,~ about 1:00 AM on February 2nd, but this full moon is not an eclipse, but it's a full moon on February 1st, a a full moon in.

Leo and

it's opposing

all those planets in Aquarius, the Mercury and the Venus and the Sun, and the Mars and the Pluto, and all of

this energy has to

do with ~how do I,~ how do I respond? That's the I me mind, ~the,~ the fire ~of,~ of

the heart center of

the moon in Leo. How do I respond as part of and

in opposition what

appears to be the collective?

And that's [00:21:00] all those planets in, in Aquarius. And I'll tell you the thing that other people will not be talking about, on

February 1st.

Because so many astrologers mistakenly do not use semi and sesqui squares,

They're stuck in

a world based upon

the patriarchal 12 fold. Zodiac, ~and I ~

~don't want ~

~to go too far ~

~down that rabbit hole here.~

~But the ~

~fact of the matter is that the. ~

~That~ the full moon on February 1st

also has Saturn semi square

that's a half of a square to

the sun and Squee square to, to the moon. And that semi square and Squee square

with Saturn

moving into Neptune becomes the dynamic point.

That is the

stimulating point.

And again, we get back to the change of moving from Pisces to Aries because ~at, ~

~at ~

~at,~ at the opening of

February, Neptune has already moved into Aries, but Saturn is still hanging back in Pisces.

And

this

is the

stinker in all of this because we can't

get rid

of the old until we all move from the old world [00:22:00] into the new world.

I know that may have

been kind

of a crazy opening statement, but that's my sweep of the month so far.

Zero Derees Aires: Unprecedented Midpoint
—

Laura: Incredible, Rick. Incredible. It sounds to me. Like, it's a bit of an unraveling, like as you're talking, we have, ~you know,~ Saturn, Neptune meeting a very rare ~me,~ never, never before happened in zero degrees Aries, ~you've never~

Rick: ~No, no. Well, I mean, again, using astrology ~

~software that we ~

~all have ~

~at our disposal. All of us, I mean, all of us ~

~astrologers who ~

~have software ~

~that we know how to use, we've all been ~

~looking for it. And, ~

~and you know, I, I don't trust the software much ~

~beyond ~

~six, eight, 10,000 years ago. We don't know what was really going on up there then.~

~We assumed that everything was still moving, but no, ~

There's not within. Within history or

even within

almost recorded history, have we ever seen a Saturn Neptune conjunction at zero degrees of Aries? We've seen it like a

few degrees away. In

late Pisces. We've

seen it

at

four degrees

of Aries.

But this is like exactly

at that, at that generative point. While. Pluto and

Uranus's midpoint are also at that same generative point. They're at that same halfway point. ~And, and, ~and it's been a focus that I've never, that we've never seen before. In fact, we've never seen a Uranus Pluto [00:23:00] trine, which is something that astrologers are kind of leaning into

now.

Because the

first one will be in July. We're all looking at what are the histories of these rines. I mean, we can look just back to 1921 when we had the last Uranus, Pluto Trine and realize this was the beginning of

the

roaring twenties. Everything seemed on fire. I mean, life in New York City and Berlin and Paris, and I mean, it was exploding.

And of course it didn't end so well. You know, guess by

the late twenties we

had the stock

market crash, the

beginning of the Great Depression, the rise of mass fascism that settled ~in,~ in the thirties and so on. ~But, ~but also in the, in 1921

at the last Uranus,

Pluto Trine. We had the basics of what we now call

quantum physics unfold.

Niels Bohr established the Institute of Physics in in Copenhagen. I had the ~privilege of ~privilege of lecturing about quantum astrology around the corner from the [00:24:00] Institute of Physics a few months ago in Copenhagen. It was very exciting, but we forget that this Uranus, Pluto trine

that

we're moving into, we've never experienced it with Saturn and Neptune, right at

the

sextile point to

feeding into

that trine.

So

it makes

even that more. Mind-boggling. And I think

that this is really what

we're leading to. I've been saying for a couple of years now, that in order to understand the next

few years,

A.I. Cosmic Waysation
—

Rick: all we need to understand is A-I-A-R-E-T and E-I-E-I-O ai, obviously what everyone knows is artificial intelligence, which may more,

also be called alchemical intelligence because there's a whole case for what we're discovering is an entire dimension of reality made up of thought form that

we've developed

technology to engage with that.

Like even before Neptune was

discovered, it was still

[00:25:00] there. Maybe this whole realm was there and it, it took psychics or people practicing telepathic realities to experience it. And I don't want to go too far down that rabbit hole, but it's changing what we

think about the three-dimensional world.

That's ai. Whether it's artificial or alchemical intelligence ar is augmented reality, which is slightly different. That's

the impact of

interfacing,

Silicon or gallium

chips, whether it be for brain implants or, or optical or auditory

bionic, so

to speak. This is all right around the corner.

That's a IAR

et extraterrestrial. I

don't necessarily even mean aliens here. For that matter, AI is extraterrestrial intelligence

consciousness that

has no Saturnian three-dimensional form is not of terrestrial realms. And so we are being [00:26:00] confronted every which way we look by et whether we're ready for it or not.

And

my final thing was E-I-E-I-O. And

that is like it or not, we all live on old McDonald's farm and if we can't

figure out

how to get along as different animals we're in trouble.

Laura: Yes. Yes we are.

Rick: ~Probably more than that was more ~

~than you ~

~asked for, but~

~well,~

Laura: ~well, I just wanted to clarify that I heard that right, that that conjunction had never happened at zero Aries. So that's huge. Plus.~

Rick: ~could have just, I ~

~could have just said yes and got on.~

~got on.~

Laura: ~I, I didn't expect that from you, Rick. It's okay. ~

But we also have the midpoint action going on, and then we have all of these planets, the personal planets moving through Aquarius, conjoining Pluto, and then squaring Uranus and moving

Rick: Well,

that's right. The actual ~conjoin con ~conjunctions of these planets with Pluto really occurred in January, late January. So ~we're, we're,~ we're in January. All of those planets opposed Jupiter. That was the overblown, everyone's stepping too far. Things, ~you know, in in,~ in the middle of January. ~I mean,~ things just just got outta hand ~and,~ and ~whether, ~whether

we are able to

put it, any of it back, like Pandora's box,

whether we're able to put it back or not, don't

know.

But as each of these planets the through the Full [00:27:00] Moon even whether the Mercury, Venus, the Sun. Mars each opposed Jupiter. And then they

each moved

into trining, Uranus and then each sex tiled, Saturn and Neptune. And

then as they

moved one by one into Aquarius, they each conjoined Pluto. That's all done.

That's all the past. We open up in February with all of those planets.

We're in

a new age already, February 1st. There's no looking back. Things have changed. Something, it, it's not the way it was, and there's no way to put the genie back in the bottle or to put everything back in Pandora's box. It's out now

through

this month.

All of these

planets are

gonna square Uranus

and then

one by one because Uranus is at 27 Gemini, one by one. They're each gonna move into

Pisces.

Laura: So let me ask you this, Rick, because when we think about Saturn, Neptune, ~and you, ~you said something, you said what we thought was real could be an [00:28:00] illusion and

Rick: No, I didn't say. Could be. I said, I said reality

is

Laura: an

Feb – Laura Audio: illusion.

Laura: Okay. So.

Rick: which the mystics have known for thousands of years as have our indigenous ancestors all over the planet.

Laura: Mm-hmm.

So that thought could be a little bit scary for some people, I imagine, right? ~And ~

~so,~

Rick: ~and,~

~and,~ and I would say it's the scariest

for those people who

have most confused their beliefs with their truths,

truths.

Laura: right, or like associated their identity with something that could change or is not from within, right?

Rick: that seemed unchangeable. Yes. There, I'll just say yes.

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Where Fear Lights the Way
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Laura: So.

So. I guess my, my question is around like, how do you recommend people handle this in their day to day? Because also, I don't know if you work with the US chart at all, but believe the Aquarius solar eclipse is on the US moon. So I'm thinking from ~a, ~a personal level, when we think of Saturn, Neptune, it's like ~our,~ our dreams are reality. Like on a personal level it makes sense, but on a macro it can ~kind of~ get a little scary for some people.

So I, I guess how would you recommend we walk through this in a way that's, we're gonna see the other side a

little

Rick: And you say get scary. What does that mean to you?

Laura: Just like the unknown, I guess. It's about the unknown and we

don't know what's gonna happen.

Rick: So,

so the unknown

itself

is not necessarily scary.

scary.

Because the unknown holds the seeds for our wildest utopian positive [00:30:00] dreams. Otherwise, we're stuck in the reality that we're in.

We've been curated. We are, our realities are curated to instill in

us

fear of the unknown and fear of each other.

And that's the unknown in you. Whether that unknown in you is you have a different religion, a different color

skin, a different

a belief structure, a different political stance, a different view on this or that. Those things are

alien

to me. And we've been,

we've been taught

to fear that so that we are basically distracted

by fearing

one another.

Rather than what's holding us all back from getting there, wherever the hell there

is. It's not here.

But we all have

a sense

of there where we are happier, where we are living more safely, more, more in community. And yet there are things that are preventing us from [00:31:00] getting there. So what, so you're, you're right.

I mean these things

are affecting us individually and they're also impacting. Larger global things,

whether it's the chart,

the birth chart

of the United

States or China, I mean the, these, are being impacted. But it's all part of a process. And as

we get close

to any major, major shift, the the intuition of the ego, once what, which, which

is designed

to hold onto life, as it knows, it becomes fearful.

But if a caterpillar had an ego, it would never

allow itself to

get

into a cocoon to become a butterfly, because the caterpillar has to die, to become a butterfly. And we live in a culture that fears death. And I don't mean physical death, although I mean physical death too. I'm always reminded of William Blake

who wanted on

his gravestone.

He didn't get it, [00:32:00] but he wanted on for his epitaph.

He wanted

William Blake born

1757, died

many times

since.

And in a way we are fearing. The death of what seems to be the stable part of our reality,

whether it's

been good for us or not. What's that?

The devil you know is

better than the devil. You don't, is that a saying?

Something like that.

And, and so

that

is part of

what's going on, and we're being, our noses are being rubbed right up against that right now. And, and it's, you know, even the stay saying, hell no, I won't go. It doesn't matter. We're going, we are on our way to something and, and we don't know what it is. But it's not, but the, but our fear is not going to stop it.

So there's this Hopi prophecy which you can find online in a much

more

poetic form than

what

I will say, but it basically says [00:33:00] that the time of the Fast River has arrived. And those who hold on to the edge for safety will be torn in half. That's how strong the river current is.

And, and again, I'm not doing this in the,

in the poetic language of the prophecy itself,

but the

prophecy says, push away from the edge and go

out into the middle where the rapids are

moving really fast.

Keep

your head above water.

Look

around you,

see

who is there. This is your new family. Be joyous.

Know

where your water's coming from, know where your food is coming from, and there's no time for sorrow.

~Hmm.~

~Now I've just bastardized this thing that is ~

~so much more poetic. But ~

~that's where ~

~we are. You know, ~those people who are

hanging on

to some illusion that the authority that is trying to hold things from not moving into some unknown place, that's going to be it. It's, it's not a viable structure that will hold on forever.

But then again, neither is trying

to force [00:34:00] things into the future helter skelter without holding on to family and community and what do we have to do during this time? It's very simple,

and especially through

February as all these planets are in Aquarius, and that is the

part of

the

prophecy that says, look around

you. This is your new

family. You know,

we need to make community in that same prophecy. I, again, I didn't say it in

its fullness or

in order, but there's another line in there that's very prescient and it says

The time of

the lone wolf is over. Because it's, it, it, it's being in community. It's

part of the

beauty

of what Astrology

Hub offers, regardless of what your political affiliation is, what your race is, what your ethnicity is.

What you

believe in, what you don't believe in wherever you are on the planet. Being a part of this community

gives us a

sense that there is a community who is holding onto something more than the horrific [00:35:00] things that we get

fed back

in from the internet on

the day by day

events that are not good. ~You know, they, they, ~there's a lot of

people in major, major levels of

pain suffering near death and death right now.

And I, and you and I

are quite privileged to be able to sit here and to intellectualize about it. And it's a privilege that I don't take lightly.

But at the

same time, it's very intense out there for

many people. And, and the intensity will likely grow

and the many people are likely to become even more.

But we have

a choice.

Our choice is to put our heads under the blankets, turn off all the lights and sip our tea. You know,

trying to

shut out the world like, like a, a, a Cancerian hiding behind its shell or to engage the best we can and in order to engage the best we can. The first order of business is keeping our head above [00:36:00] water.

Going back to the prophecy, what does that mean? It means

taking care of ourselves.

It means acting locally.

You

know, I say again and again and again. Think cosmically, act locally. Well, acting locally begins with taking care of our own bodies, our own health. We can't do anything to improve the lives of those around us or those

we love if our life isn't, if we're, if we're

not, if we're underwater.

And

so that's where it begins. But some of that also involves creating community because we can't do any of this alone.

Laura: Absolutely. Yeah. No, I love that. And I wanna bring in the midpoint, the mid points because I wonder your take on this, I've heard other astrologers talk about tryings and sex tiles to outer planets being like a sense of protection in some regards. What do you think about that? Like do you think that there's an element of like, yes, this is a catalyst moment, this Saturn Neptune conjunction bringing us through the year, but is there an element of like, protection for the collective with this outer planets, or [00:37:00] how do you see that?

Midpoints & Protective Aspects
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Rick: Yeah, ~let, let,~ let me actually say two things. First, midpoint, the very first astrology article that I wrote back in,

I think 1989,

Was an article that was titled midpoint Are Real Points. And many astrologers don't know this, actually, I'm I'll be

teaching a course on

Astrology Hub later this year.

That'll be a five week course on midpoint, because once you begin to understand what midpoint are

and how

they work, you realize that if you have a planet at, let's say, 10 degrees of

a sign

and another planet at 20 degrees of a sign. That 15 degrees is the midpoint, it's the halfway point. And that point becomes a synthesis of those other two planets, whatever they are, and it becomes

an active

point by transit, by ry, by [00:38:00] by progression.

~It, it ~

is an act of point unto itself. And so mid points are real points. And again, I don't wanna slip further into that discussion other than once you realize that. It really does make a huge change in how you look at charts as a whole. And this really, the origin of this thinking goes back to the turn of the 19th century the

turn into the

20th century in Germany, what's called the Hamburg School and the

development of

Cosmo biology and Uranian astrology.

And what now some people are calling either vibrational astrology, David Cochrane's work, or Gary Kristen's work symmetrical astrology. And this is not just my ideas or thinking. So midpoint are real points, and Saturn and Neptune are at

the Uranus,

Pluto, midpoint. Now the thing about

protection of rines

and sex tiles, you know, traditionally

we're taught

that that

rines and

sex tiles are [00:39:00] good or better than squares and oppositions, which are worse.

I

mean, and again, that's dangerous languaging by itself. But, you know, squares are not bad and

tryings are

not good

because

with a square there's engagement. And what you do with that engagement can be the most important thing in your life, and it may

be the

most important thing for humanity what you or you or you do with your square.

Now,

trines may be really nice because the energy flows, but they also make us lazy. They, yes, they can be protection because a trine works, the energy flows, and I would actually extend that beyond.

trines sextiles but also the trines of trines Noviles One

third of one third, the, this is where Greased Lightning occurs.

And the

problem with

trines is

it's like being in your brand [00:40:00] new

amazing

car and getting ready to go somewhere and you're on ice and the wheels are just spinning

because you can

be, you can have enough rines in your chart that it doesn't matter what you do. It seems like you can't get traction in life.

You

need those hard

aspects, those

squares,

to get the

traction. So the good news is that this complexity of trines and sextiles that that have to do with the Saturn. The Saturn Neptune conjunction that sextiling Uranus on one side and Pluto on the other. The Uranus, Pluto trine that has Neptune and Saturn at the midpoint.

And Jupiter coming into that, that's going to sextile

Jupiter at the summer

when it goes into Leo, when it's at four degrees of Leo, it'll be sextiling Uranus

at four degrees of Gemini. It'll be trining, plu it'll, it'll be trining Neptune at four degrees of [00:41:00] Aries, and it'll be opposing Pluto at four degrees of Aquarius.

And in fact, the moon will come through at four degrees of Libra creating five points on

a six pointed

star on July 19th.

I've been looking at

that chart for a while, as many astrologers have now. The good news is that what is solidified then has a likelihood of really stabilizing the energy. The bad news is that what's happening then has a likelihood of stabilizing the energy.

Do you

understand what I'm saying? And so to say that the trines and

sextiles are protection, they may be protection against some immediate disruption,

but going back

to

the caterpillar, they may prevent the caterpillar from going into the cocoon to

become a butterfly.

Hmm.

So we have to be careful during this time about taking the easy way out.

And

I'm saying that to all of us. Globally, politically, economically. [00:42:00] But I'm also saying that to us individually, and I'm even saying that to myself individually, just like everyone else. I have issues

in

my life and there are easy way out. There are easy ways out that will prevent the more complicated ways out

or through

because it's, ~you know, ~this is what's that saying?

The only way out is the way through. I think Winston Churchill says, when you're in, hell keep marching. ~You know? Because, ~because the way out is not, by not going in, it's by going through it.

Laura: Mm-hmm.

I have another quote for you for Saturn, Neptune is, anything you can imagine is real. I believe it was Picasso who said that. So I feel like when we worry too about the unknown and things that could happen, like anything you can imagine also becomes real like worry too. So focus on the local, your local environment, focus on what you wanna see happen~ all of that stuff.~

~So just wanted to ~

~add that to ~

Rick: ~remember here, ~

Cosmic Complexity
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Rick: one of the

things

that's different now than in previous Saturn, Neptune Conjunctions, is we now know, I mean, the mystics always knew this [00:43:00] the ancient religious traditions and wise people knew this, but that is that modern

science has been

living under the illusion that reality Saturn, the three dimensional material world, the human body and brain, reached a certain level of

complexity

when it created self-awareness and consciousness. Which is

exactly opposite of what

we know of now as

the truth. And

that is consciousness creates the three dimensional reality thought precedes matter. And this is the magic of this whole Saturn Neptune conjunction at this moment when there's so much going on with neurological ~neuro~ neurological research ~and, and, and, and, ~and studies into consciousness and how the physical mind body interactions and how electricity and magnetism and thought forms can actually Im interact with and heal~ you know,~ illness and change the physicality.

And so it's a very [00:44:00] different Saturn Neptune conjunction than it ever was before. And yes,

you know, for

one person. Picasso, you know, imagination, you know, is real. But for another person it means that

they've committed

50 years of their life

locked up in an institution

on some sort of~ mental su~ mental suppressant like Thorazine or

ine or some

sort of psychoactive drug that prevents them from ever experiencing their thoughts, which may have been Picasso, like thoughts, Picasso painted them and he

was considered a genius.

Other people couldn't,

or didn't, or were, didn't have the opportunity to.

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Mercury Retrograde
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Laura: Rick, I wanna bring in one other transit in February that I feel like we can't miss, which is Mercury [00:45:00] retrograde

throughout all of

this, what is your take on that?

that?

Rick: My take on that is that mercury retrograde, that any planet retrograde gets a bad wrap traditionally because it makes that planet louder. Why does it make it louder when a planet is closer to Earth than it is in its normal cycle? That's when it turns retrograde. Mercury and Venus turn retrograde.

We have a Venus retrograde this year also. Mercury and Venus turn retrograde when that planet goes between the earth and the sun. So it

looks like

a conjunction in the chart.

Mars, Jupiter, Saturn,

Chiron, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto

turn retrograde when they're

closest

to Earth,

meaning they're on the

same side

of the sun as Earth, but that means they're closest to Earth.

You know when you see a chart where, Jupiter has opposed the sun like it recently was, [00:46:00] Jupiter has to be retrograde 'cause it's close to earth, it's brighter in the sky, it's louder. Planets are like radio stations. When they're retrograde,

they're louder.

Now that sounds like a good deal, except if we're living in this flat reality.

When a

station becomes louder,

what do we do with it? It it,

it disrupts our life. And so

we are taught to suppress it or culturally re it, which means we don't know. We're suppressing it,

which buries the

energy, which then turns into a Freudian Jungian projection because any planet that is not expressing appears out there as a

projection.

And so we get the energy from the outside, which is never as good as if we're expressing it from inside out. So the negativity of retrograde planets are that we're not using the energy,

we're not

dancing with it. We're somehow holding

it back. Mercury, retrograde, hold back, [00:47:00] hold back. You can't

go

as fast and

so on.

But if we go with that energy and just allow it to move naturally, there's nothing wrong with retrogrades in itself. Now, this particular retrograde basically holds the energy in Pisces. Normally, mercury

can fly

through a sign in two weeks, ~but you know, ~mercury mercury enters Pisces went on February 6th.

And it stays in Pisces all, ~you know,~ for two months because of that retrograde. And so I think the important thing about Mercury retrograde is that

the intellectual

side

of this is still holding back.

We're not, we're not able to move it as

fast into

when those other

planets begin

moving into Aries.

You know,

we'll have that push

from Mercury by, by then we're now talking, you know, April 1st. As all

those planets are, are

moving into, or moved into Aries, Mars moves into Aries, but Mercury is still hanging back in, in Pisces. And so there's

that sense

[00:48:00] that we're not able to just jump the gun you know, right away that, that

retrograde

is important,

but I don't think the

retrograde in itself is necessarily.

Bad. I think we

have to allow time for our thoughts to catch up to what it is that we're actually experiencing

and to take a

retrograde as a period,

it's almost like

a latency. You know, anyone who's been

a parent knows that, you know, kids

kind of have a growing spurt and then nothing happens for a month or

two or

three, and then all of a sudden, whether it's physical or or language or developmental, something happens and a lot happens suddenly.

Well, that retrograde energy kind

of gives us

time. Like any latency period in development, it gives us

time to work with what we

already have rather than pushing into

new territory.

And once Mercury turns direct, it goes into Aries in April, whoof, I mean, this is gonna be the next [00:49:00] level of launchpad.

Laura: ~Yeah. I, ~I feel like this Mercury retrograde actually might be a blessing to encourage us to slow down in, in a time where it seems like there could be a lot of change or a lot of

Rick: I think gold Mercury

retrograde are

are, are blessings.

Laura: Yes. I, I agree too. And you have a wonderful class with us at Astrology Hub, the, the Mercury class that you did in the Inner Circle. It's a fantastic class if

Rick: Oh, that was Mercury, a psycho pump.

Yeah, that's, I mean, so many modern astrologers write Mercury off the trickster, the lightweight. He's clever, he's witty, ~you know, and, and,~ and Mercury is all that. But Mercury has a real job, and Mercury's job is basically leading us in and out of the underworld. ~You know,~ mercury

~is,~ is

basically the only planet that's Pluto's friend, although Liz Green once said that Pluto's, Saturn's only real friend, and with friends like

that who

needs enemies,

but,

but Mercury can cross back over in between this world and that world.

Mercury~ is,~ is a psycho pomp, a guide. ~And, and, ~and in fact. All

~talk~

psychology, [00:50:00] all talk therapy is basically using Mercury talk to go into the subconscious and bring those things out into the open where we can work with them. That's Mercury's job is to bring things from the depth out into the open.

And

of course, as all

these planets,

by February we'll have

already joined up with Pluto.

I

think we got a lot of stuff that's

come out into the open

that we're not

gonna

be able to hide.

Unraveling Next Steps
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Laura: Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I think so too. Incredible. Rick, this sounds like an immense month, and so I'm gonna ask you the same question I asked you at the beginning. What is an image, a word or a phrase, did it change? Is it still the next step for

Rick: ~Well, I, I,~

I like the next step, but I also like the word ~that~ that you said, which

was.

Laura: The unraveling

and

Rick: The unraveling, which is close to the misinterpretation of the word apocalypse,

which really

doesn't mean the end times the [00:51:00] word

apo.

apocalypse

is actually from the Greek. Greek meaning to uncover.

And

so I think what we're having here is an apocalypse, but it's not just an uncovering.

It's also some of those loose ends

that seem

totally disconnected. ~I mean, ~on a political level, ~you know,~ things, ~you know,~ like an invasion of Venezuela and an uprising in Iran, and the suppression of these Epstein papers and things happening with immigration,

not just in the United States, but around the world

~and, ~and the need to protect boundaries.

And at the same time, the awareness

that open

boundaries are important, but how do we protect them and keep the all of these things are connected.

Unraveling. So I

still like my

next step, but I also like unraveling, so I,

yeah,

and

I think that's a little microcosm of

how we

all need to [00:52:00] approach the future, and that is, you asked me at the beginning something, I told you what I thought, and then you said something and then you said, what do I think?

And my thoughts now are mine, plus yours, not just mine.

Laura: Right.

Rick: think that's how we need to move through this period of time,

Laura: Yes. I love that everyone has a unique lens. They're looking through and has a valuable perspective, and if we could just all come together and agree on certain things, we'd be a lot better for

Rick: actually almost. We

don't

need to agree on certain things. We just need

to be aware of

how you arrived at your perspective.

Because

if I understand how you arrived at your perspective, I don't have to change your perspective.

Feb – Laura Audio: Hmm.

Rick: And you don't have to change my perspective. We can acknowledge that we have different perspectives, which

is part of what the United States government

used to be about.

And that was, and I'm not saying it was perfect, I mean,

In

any sense of the imagination, but [00:53:00] I am saying there was a time when,

when political enemies could be best

friends because they acknowledged they were just, had

different views, but they

were looking out for

the

same good. We've lost that. And I think we have to

somehow refind that.

I don't

know whether we can,

but I think that's the work that we

have cut out for us.

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Laura: Yeah, I agree. I would love to see us do it, but that's what feels like is unraveling to me is like, how do we actually make that jump? We're gonna find out. So thank you so much Rick. This has been amazing. Thank you for sharing your insights with this community. And we'll be doing this monthly. Yeah. So you guys can come back and,

Rick: ~that's, ~

~that's what I,~ that's what I understand.

Laura: yes.

So more to come through this immense year. But Rick, thank you so much ~for,~ for sharing. Is there any other thing you wanna say before we wrap up? Is anything we didn't touch

on?

Rick: No, but I hope somewhere in this that you, but this this'll be this

is for February.

I would like to

let people know

that on

March 20th to 30th, I

will

be participating

in a mystery school at

[00:54:00] Sea Mystery [email protected],

and it'll

be 10

days on the AGN Sea stopping at the coolest of the Greek Islands and Ephesus Turkey also.

And people will be lecturing not only on astrology, as I will be doing three lectures during the week and doing

some other work there,

but also on AI and ET and alternative histories. It'll be much wider than Astrology Mystery [email protected]. And there's still room for that,

and that's March 20th to

March 30th.

I'm excited about it.

it.

Laura: That sounds amazing. I wish I could go. Well be sure to put the information if everyone's interested in the show notes below this video, but that sounds incredible. I wish I could go. Alright, Rick, well thank you so much. Thank you all for tuning in and making astrology a part of your life. We will catch you on the next episode.

 

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