Relocation Astrology Explained: How Where You Live Can Change Your Life & Chart with Natasha Alter

 

 

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What if where you live isn’t random but part of your soul’s design?

In this episode, Natasha Alter joins Amanda to explore the powerful and often life-changing practice of relocation astrology – how different places on Earth can activate different parts of your chart… and different parts of you.

From unexpected moves to soul-aligned destinations, this conversation reveals why some places feel like home, why others never quite land, and how your relationship with place may be shaping your purpose more than you realize.

✨ Curious how this applies to your chart?
Go deeper with Natasha’s Relocation Astrology class here:
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In this conversation, you’ll discover how your natal chart travels with you, what actually changes (and what doesn’t) when you move, and why this work is becoming more relevant than ever in a rapidly shifting world.

🎬 IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR:
00:00 — Intro: Why Relocation Astrology Can Change the Way You See Your Life
02:41 — Relocation Astrology: How Different Places Activate Different Parts of You
08:15 — AstroCartography vs Relocational Astrology vs AstroLocality Explained
12:57 — Migration Trends: Why More People Are Feeling Called to Move Right Now
20:28 — Relocation & Angularity: How Planets Become More Powerful in Certain Places
23:12 — What Changes & What Doesn’t When You Move Your Chart
37:00 — How We Live Now: Digital Nomads, Stability & Redefining Home
40:14 — Natural or Unnatural Disasters? Astrology, Earth Changes & Relocation
44:51 — Cultivating Peace in Challenging Times: Where True Stability Comes From
50:18 — Living Shaped by Geography: How Place Influences Identity, Purpose & Belonging
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Use https://www.astro.com/horoscope to cast your relocated charts
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Natasha Alter is a professional astrologer, teacher, and writer whose work bridges astrological knowledge with spiritual and psychological insights. Known for her depth, compassion, and clarity, she has guided many clients around the world, helping them navigate transitions, unlock inner wisdom, and gain a greater self-knowledge.
Natasha contributed to the Astrologer’s Notes woven throughout Life by Stars book written by Amanda, bringing her seasoned perspective to Amanda’s unfolding story. She currently teaches internationally, continuing her lifelong exploration of ageless knowledge and wisdom. You can find more about her work at www.natashaalter.com
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“Where you are on the planet can activate – or deactivate – different parts of your design.” – Natasha Alter

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Amanda: [00:00:00] Okay. My friends, today we are gonna be talking about something that is

completely near and dear to my

heart because I've had so many tangible experiences of it. We're gonna be having this conversation

with an

astrologer who is completely near and dear to my heart. I know I've said this on the podcast before, but Astrology Hub wouldn't exist if this woman had not come into my life.

And one of the main reasons she came into my life is because I moved. I moved from New York City to Hawaii, and in Hawaii I met Natasha Alter. She has since left me and flown off into other parts of the world, but we are still so connected and she's still literally part of the fabric of Astrology Hub because I had my first astrology reading with her and it blew my mind and opened up my world in ways I could have never imagined.

In addition, [00:01:00] she has contributed to my book that is gonna

be

coming out very soon, and it's called Life by the Stars.

It's my

personal story, but Natasha provides an overlay of the astrology that was happening during my story so that you can learn astrology through my life. And again, one of the main threads in this book

and in

this story is the way

that

moving geography completely changed my life and brought out different aspects of me just as it does for you.

And this is not only when you actually physically move, but also when you visit or you travel other to other places. there's coding in the places that you long for and yearn for and are interested in. And we're gonna be talking about all of this here today. So what is relocation, astrology? Why it matters and how it can help you, and maybe most fascinatingly, [00:02:00] why it's so important right now.

So again, we have Natasha Alter here with us today. She has been teaching, studying, practicing astrology for over 20 years. She is a wealth of wisdom and knowledge, and I am so happy that she is here today. Natasha, welcome.

Natasha: Thank you very much for

that

introduction, Amanda. It's

Amanda: Alright, so

because relocation, astrology brought me to you, it just feels so perfect to talk about this together.

So let's start with that big question. For anyone that's newer to astrology or even this concept of relocation, astrology, what is

it?

Relocational Astrology

Natasha: relocation, astrology gives us a map of our personal relationship

With the planet itself,

Literally our chemistry with different places on the planet. So when we are [00:03:00] born, we come out of the womb into physical matter, into the, onto the

planet.

but we

are

physically,

present

at the place of birth.

and our chart

is being frozen,

as the position of the, or the, the architecture of

the sky in that moment. However, our relationship with the rest of the planet doesn't end there.

It means that when we

move

from one location to

another.

our natal

chart

wheel moves with us.

So relocation, astrology is giving you a chart

as

if you were born in that place where you are going or you are moving, or

you are

visiting, or where you

are thinking

or considering

to go.

So [00:04:00] it kind of relocates you. And, and provides you that map of your personal

interface or your experience astrologically in

that new place. what it does, by moving our chart, it can bring and emphasize a whole new, different parts of us, of ourselves or our astrological signature that might not have been

emphasized

accentuated in the natal chart. So when we move and that planet, let's say, or

that

aspect all of a sudden brings. Being activated by let's say rising on horizon or

falling on some specific points of your natal chart. It activates the presence and the story

behind that [00:05:00] planet

or

that signature.

So that's why I call it our personal chemistry. We can, by moving around, we kind

of explore

that personal chemistry with the whole planet as if we

were born there.

I, myself moved a lot, quite a lot and lived in many countries

and even continents before I met

astrology.

So when I started studying astrology and encountered

astrocartography,

I of course started checking backward. It's, you know, this place, the place I was born, what kind of energy,

my natal chart,

then the next place, what happens there?

Then the next place and

the next, and I, it's, it's like a

whole handful of places

I lived before I

started studying. So I was able to have a direct experience

and reference and

an instant understanding why

had

[00:06:00] certain experiences in

different places and why I either resonated felt aligned.

Or not

at all in

the places

where hard, I tried hard to stay.

For example, in Paris, I, I, I put an effort to settle there and it was just not

happening. Like, I'm not building community. I am,

I'm not loving that city, which

is beloved by

everybody. I'm not feeling the

vibe,

I'm not plugging into its romantic side. It's just like my experience is not going there, even though I forced myself to kind of, not forced, but I tried.

I gave it a chance. And so of course, 10 years later when I, when

I was studying

Astrocartography in astrology, I looked back at that place as well. And, and

it was clearly shown

to me that there is no [00:07:00] chemistry. It kind

of like a void place.

A devoid of, activation, devoid

of

resonance connection.

So it can be with

any other

place like that.

Yeah. And I like to see it as

as I said, the, we can, we are born everywhere at the same time. You know, it's like

we, we are part of this

planet and with all its energy lines, continents,

different locations, different power places or

not, And so Astrocartography delivers a much more clear layout of where our resonance

is landing

Amanda: Natasha, you are using a word that I, I'm hoping we can

just, because

it can be confusing. When you're new to astrology and you hear relocation, astrology, and then you hear astrocartography, [00:08:00] what is the, is there

a difference? Are there

kind of interchangeable or are you using one term specifically for a reason and not using the other, just maybe high level if there is a difference between them or not?

AstroCartography vs Relocational vs AstroLocality

Natasha: Well, there is no

difference to me. uh, um, Astrocartography

does use the method of relocating the

chart, relocating the person

to the

new place.

and that's

why I call it location astrology. literally

relocates you.

There are other

types or

techniques

of that also use. That subject of moving people around, for example, astro locality, but it

is a different technique

and it's not based on moving the wheel

as much as the influence of the planetary lines in every specific given place on the planet where you [00:09:00] can actually go

in

and zoom into particular areas within

a very short

radios to establish where

are

the most beneficial energies with the within that given area

is.

Amanda: Okay, so Astrocartography can get even more specific down to like very specifics.

and.

Natasha: No, no. Astro locality

can zoom

Amanda: Okay, so there's astro locality. Astrocartography,

And

relocation.

Natasha: relocation, astrology, and astrocartography is the same thing to me. I

dunno, maybe the astrologers who are dividing those even, but,

but

astrocartography moves, as I said,

it moves you together with your chart. You know, wherever

you go, your chart goes. It doesn't stay in the natal configuration,

but what it does, it takes the wheel of your chart [00:10:00] and adjusts it to the new

location.

that would happen, would be your natal chart if you were born

in that place.

You See what I mean?

It just, it moves

the will along with

you. relocation, astrology is

one of the

techniques

to use when

moving. So keep in mind

that.

There are a couple of other more refined techniques to

follow after

astrocartography. However,

a lot

can become very obvious and very clear just by

doing relocation chart alone.

Amanda: Hmm. And you also always emphasize that knowing our natal charts is essential. Right? Like starting with your natal charts so that you can interpret accurately what that natal [00:11:00] chart will look like in

a new

place.

Right,

Natasha: exactly. because the map, the

kind

of rough map on as.com or other apps can show you the lines and the

description can give you very sweet kind of experience. For example, you have Venus on IC or some Jupiter on,

mc.

However, it, you do need to know the story behind your own

natal venous

for example, if

it's stressed

natally and there are issues that need to be healed or worked

with,

then emphasizing this venous on the line will not remove those

issues.

it'll activate it

even further.

But the good thing is that you, it can be so into your face that you can

[00:12:00] truly

understand the

mechanics and the possible ways to

harmonize the

hard aspect to that planet.

Ad

Amanda: Natasha to

do that, could you literally just go into like astro.com and put your birthday, birth year,

birth time,

and then put in the other location?

like,

Natasha: The com provides

that, that's a free app. And you

put your birth data and what you do

you go

down and in order to

generate

the relocation chart, you have to modify the data. In other words, if you are born in New York

natively you put it in, you put New York in when you,

where you fill

the data, and then you scroll

down

and you punch, modify data and put the new

location.

Amanda: Hmm. Okay.

Natasha: that will generate a relocated chart.

Amanda: Hmm. It is

so fascinating.

I [00:13:00] hope this is intriguing, all of you, to look at your own

charts and really consider some of

these things and to start diving into this. Natasha, I know you've mentioned that right now this

is specifically relevant

with what's happening at a global level with the astrological tides and how that might be impacting individuals.

And I know like in 2020 and 2021, there was

a huge wave of

migration, and I'm guessing that there might, you might be anticipating another one. So

Migration Trends

Amanda: can we talk about that?

Natasha: Yes, of course. 2021, there, there was both migration and the blockage of

migration.

You

Amanda: True.

Oh, that's true.

Yes, yes.

Natasha: know, we had Saturn, Pluto, conjunction that kind of created a a

block and the control over movement.

So where we are moving now or where we already are, are the new energies of Uranus in coming [00:14:00] into Gemini as we speak, and Pluto being already in Aquarius.

So

we get this

aquarium vibe mixed with a Gemini kind of energy.

So both Gemini

and Aquarius to me they rule

the nervous system them, it's a

mental energy,

And the mental energy is equal to

electric energy, which

is Aquarius, right? So

I see it as the nervous system in our body

that. uh, Sends

information

through

electric

charges and informs our organs, our mind.

Everything

is

like, so it's a kind of a energy of electric metabolism

of of our bodies.

[00:15:00] There is another word to metabolism is like the, the

flow of

energy, right? As well as our planets itself. if we imagine that

we humans are

like a nervous system of the planet,

and we have Pluto in Aquarius and Uranus coming into

Gemini, that creates that mobility energy, air, right?

The

air,

both Gemini

and Aquarius are air elements.

Air cannot be

stuck. Air needs

to circulate,

or that's

the word I was using, the circulation system, which is related to nervous system. So the planet

itself.

is feeling and

experiencing this movement

so what I was saying is

that if we are the nervous system,

for example, humanity, a nervous system or [00:16:00] reflection of nervous system of the planet, then the planets being

where they are right now and

for the

next quite a,

quite a while, are gonna enable that or create that need

for flow,

need for movement, exchange, interchange of both

ideas

and locations.

It can lead to migrations on a larger scale.

People might

feel inspired to move to different places that are more resonant with where they are at the moment. I can see

that there can be

new social systems

establishing themselves or the collapse of certain systems where people living in a certain places no longer resonate with whatever is happening, whether it's a

policy

[00:17:00] or they feel lonely,

isolated for

whatever reasons.

So they will be

compelled to move. And so the energies of both Uranus

and

Pluto are very conducive. For

that

airflow information flow, interchange,

exchange information exchange,

as well

as people gathering in new groups together. And then we do have, of course, the

energies through Neptune and

Saturn.

And

if we just take Neptune alone, I mean Neptune in Aries, I mean, if we take the, like a lower vibrational expression, we are talking about religious

wars,

possibly. You see Neptune combined with Martian energy can express

itself in religious [00:18:00] upheavals

or ideological wars. And that in itself already can create a havoc in certain countries. Right Where as a result of that

havoc.

and

Revolution or change of

regime, they,

a lot of people will be forced to migrate

so that that air is energy adds to the couple of Pluto and Uranus.

So they all three together, they are

about starting new processes and

RIS is about

restarting, starting from scratch, like finding new ways of expression, new cells.

Right. Pluto breaks down the systems. Saturn does that too, so that new systems can arise

and we

can see

already [00:19:00] now,

already today, we can see the process of a lot

of.

Systems that have been established for so long, probably for centuries, if not more, are starting to crack. You know, it's, it's, it's a process

that

it might be a healthy process, or at least it's, it's,

it's being supported by

by the cosmic energies.

So whenever things

crack and

need to reform themselves and some kind of a new constructs need to be established, there is also migration associated with

that.

Amanda: Hmm.

Natasha: That's why I think that relocation, astrology, astrocartography,

astro, locality

and anything which

has to do with astrology

and new places, travel, moving, moving out, moving in, all of that is gonna

be

very

[00:20:00] useful.

And, very applicable and relevant

in these coming energies.

Amanda: So,

Natasha.

You said that when you moved to Paris it was kind of void. Like there just wasn't nothing. There was no chemistry, there was nothing activated. Is

that because

none of your natal planets were landing on any of the real sensitive cross, as you say that the ascendant descendant mc IIC points or, or something else?

Relocation & Angularity

Natasha: Not necessarily

The planet's

landing on the cross or

ac

Mc descended.

descendant

IC lines are the places where the

planet comes to

its

strongest expression because it conjoints the

angle,

However, in order to find a place that you,

you don't need to

align with those [00:21:00] lines because there are so many other

aspects

that can be

utilized to provide

a beautifully looking relocation chart.

Without planets sitting on the lines,

It

means that

we are

applying other aspects, like, for example, a trine between, let's say, a

sun, a moon, and one of the

angles, for example, ascendant. That in itself is a very beneficial flow of energy. However, the the

map

in astro.com or any other app, it will, it's

not gonna

show any planet on the line.

So that's, when you go

a step further,

you generate the relocated chart, and then you are able

to put the

more dots together and see how the distribution of the

planet is

sitting in the houses and how it, it relates [00:22:00] to the angles, astrological angles.

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Amanda: Okay. So can you tell us what changes and what doesn't?

When you re relocate your chart, certain things change and other things remain the same. there's certain parts of our natal chart that are just constant no matter where we are. What is the difference between those two

things?

Relocated Chart Differences

Natasha: Well, you see that the, architecture or the structure, relational structure of the planets, their relationship with each other. It's

like a,

like a 3D

crystal

that is being imprinted as our natal chart that remains the same. You see,

if

you look at the [00:24:00] natal chart without the houses, what you will see is geometry,

your own

sacred inner geometry, the vibrational

kind of structure.

of your system that is incarnated on the planet, right?

So the geometry between planets is

frozen. It's, it's your,

it's your id, vibrational

ID kind of thing, right?

Amanda: So if you have an opposition or a square or a

trying,

that's

Natasha: it all stays Because that's

your crystal.

That's the geometry of your astro cosmic

signature.

What is changing is the wheel. And as it moves

across the planets,

you know, every two hours, for example, we have a new

ascendant lining up [00:25:00] on the horizon. That's why we've

got 12

signs that take 24 hours to make a full circle. So, when

you move significantly,

not within the short dis, but that it

means that your ascendant and all the points of the cross

and the houses within

the will are gonna move,

which means that the

houses.

are

gonna have a whole different new characteristic.

The ascendant,

the descendant, of course

and the distribution of the planet within the will is gonna

be new, which gives a whole new layer. So that geometry.

Construct or that cosmic kind of

[00:26:00] a imprint

that we carry through the planets. It gives a whole

new

layer to it. So the planets

are starting to

express themselves

in the new home. If you had Venus in the first house, for example, and that's where it

leaves neatly

and you move a little bit, all of a sudden the Venus goes into the third and, that Venus starts looking out a little bit and starting to

have a

little

bit of a

third house Gemini overlay or hue.

You see what I mean? So we have a whole new synthesis between the planets and the houses.

Amanda: Hmm. Okay. I know you use My Chart as an example, obviously in the book quite a bit, but

then also in

the relocation astrology class that you taught. So can we just, okay. I, I'm born in California, in the Bay Area.

I moved to New York and then I go to Hawaii. Can you use that as an example of how things changed and how [00:27:00] different parts of me were elicited at those different

places?

Natasha: Yes, of course. And those who are gonna read the book are gonna see the details. But in short by moving from California to New York, of course you change the will, the will moves, you gain

a

new

ascendant,

which moves from Aquarius rising to tour rising

Amanda: the planets move.

Natasha: Into whole new positions in the will. So your Na

Sun

and Venus,

for example, are moving

from the 12 house up to the

10 house.

That's a whole different story that you are

starting.

That's a whole new expression of your natal Sun, Venus. And they are,

they kind of

move out of the 12 house where they're sitting and it's like, you know, how do I find myself,

you

[00:28:00] know, how do I apply myself

Because the 12 house is not ne,

is not

necessarily, it's not so

easy to tap into, especially in the beginning of one's

life.

And there you go, and you move them

up on

top of the chart into the tent house in its own sign of Capricorn. That is the 10 house ruled. You know, it's ruled by Capricorn

and

the qualities that you needed to express at that stage of your

life

through that chart and through that Sun Venus in a tent house,

they.

flooded out like the doors open.

And it's like, here in

this place,

you are gonna play out the story of your Sun, Venus, which is not necessarily all the story of

your life, but at this time,

and in

this location

this needs to be exercised. So you

gain an experience and with a, [00:29:00] for example, moving from Aquarius ascendant

to tour ascendant, you are starting to ground more.

You

are like,

ooh. manifestation. I need to produce, I need to accomplish 10 house

Capric record.

I need to be as successful as people

around me.

So all the qualities, or part of the qualities

of those archetypes are

starting to get so

activated.

And of course, TAUs Rising gives us a

ruler, which is Venus, and it goes up

to the tent house in Capricorn.

So all of these little, little things are almost like fueling the experience or expression of that part of you in that location. And if you

read

the book, you'll

see how it unfolded. It fully got out, which

had [00:30:00] its highs and it had it low its lows because the laws also were a part

of a script. And then you move to

Hawaii

because

when they time ripened right. you know, and the time has come for you to realize that

this is not

the values I wanna pursue through the

Chiron that

sits on the ascendant. I don't wanna make it too complicated, but just to add a little bit of taste, what I'm saying in Taurus ascendant, Chiron landed on your ascendant, Chiron and Taurus, so that's a

part of a plot.

So when you started to

ache, and

feel that Chiron started to tell

you like, is this it?

Is this what I'm gonna

be

which is like,

what are the true values? What is the true goal in life? So that

all [00:31:00] of that transformational process and the impulse, like a soul calling to get out and start a whole new story moved you to

Hawaii.

And so what happened in

Hawaii? Is

you

have

moved the natal

ascendant

to capor. So

just right

there. When you move your ascendant, which is very important, just like the most sensitive spot, like one of the most, it's like your ascendant, that point, that archetype that lands on the horizon. They ruler of that ascendant.

There are so important in the

na chart.

So when you move the ascendant, you move the ruler

or, or you be, you

get a new ruler.

And the ascendant or the archetype of ascendant itself can tell us already a little,

give us a little taste

of what [00:32:00] the

experience might

be. Just ascendant alone has that,

little hint. So when you. Moved with the intent

to get

out of that roller coaster of running after success. Of

achieving and

accomplishing, making a bunch

of money and

making that whole mainstream reality

a manifest. You moved

to the place where you thought you would chill

Amanda: Totally.

That's so

Natasha: and

that happened.

However, with the Capricorn rising, it's almost like I need

new goals.

I

need new

path. I need new [00:33:00] expression of my capricornian son and Venus.

So your son and Venus

that moved out of 12 House into the 10

in

New York. They moved to the first house instead in Hawaii.

And what does it mean

all of a sudden, you

have this immediacy,

sun and Venus are

sitting in the first house. First

house is the

closest to

our, sense of self.

So

you are fusing together,

ascendant

and your very core identity and your Venus, your value system into one. And they become aligned with

each other.

And through that, the

true, expression, the deeper, the more highly vibration expression of that sun and Venus of yours

are

coming [00:34:00] out and they become more accessible because first house is super accessible.

Because of the immediacy of the experience.

And so by Mo, by doing

that, you

aligned with a plan

in a way that was there

for you all along.

Perhaps however

you needed to move physically, in order to tap into that new energy

coming

from within.

Amanda: Hmm. How does this play in Natasha? So, for example, I live on Maui. In the last few years we had those outrageous fires in

La Haina That completely changed

the landscape of that city and

enforced

migration.

and also it brought to the surface the issues with the [00:35:00] system of insurance, for example.

Natasha: Mm-hmm.

Amanda: people who had been in a place for generations not able to rebuild and not able to stay because of policies, because of.

you

know, bureaucratic things. We also recently have just had major flooding and, and huge storms, and it's changing the face of a lot of other locations in these islands.

How does this play in, because I can, I mean, even, even just taking Maui is this tiny little microcosm in the world

and how

it's shifted everything economically, even tourism is still way down and so the economic impact is massive. Accelerated

rent

and home ownership, because now there's way less things to rent and way less, land to, to

sell.

So

everything has shifted and I can just see, it feels different here. there's less indigenous people here, there's less

Natasha: Mm-hmm.

Amanda: roots [00:36:00] here. And so that's,

I can

just see it having this ripple effect. And if similar things are

happening in other areas,

which I, and I know it is, can you read that in the astrological energies as well, in terms of like,

these

Physical changes. I mean, we had Pam Gregory on recently, and she was talking about how people are gonna be living in trailers more like, caravan kind of life. And it's funny because my love is dreaming of an Airstream on just like, property. he wants to live on one of those Airstream trailers.

Natasha: actually. Me too. Same here.

Yeah.

Amanda: The Taurus Perfect. Trailer life is an Airstream.

Natasha: Mobile homes.

Yeah.

Amanda: Yes. So I mean, how is this impacting the desire to own a home, for example, and like the value that we have placed previously on home ownership and land ownership, I mean, all these things. I'm, I'm just, I know I just asked you like five questions in one, so

you could, I'll,

I'll remember 'em, and you can address 'em as you remember them. And then I'll, I'll ask you [00:37:00]

How We Live Now

Natasha: Okay. Well, the last thing you mentioned is like,

you

know,

owning a home versus some new ideas. So this is the, the air, the the feel of the times

now. Is

uprooting old ideas, like what we thought we love and we need and what gives

us stability and security.

All of a sudden, oh, maybe it's not so secure. Or maybe I don't even

need

stability anymore because where I'm now,

my stability

dwells within me.

You see,

You see, we are also

talking about. People's consciousness moving along, which means that values are gonna be changing. And people who

would never

imagine themselves before uprooting from their sweetness, all

of a sudden feel the coal.

It

can be vice versa too. The nomads as like,

okay, it's time to ground because the energy [00:38:00] is too electric.

It's too unstable. So some people will, will say, okay, I'm getting out of here and I'm rooting

on the land.

and I'm stabilizing in all these cows. You see, that's also like, it's a

reverse, but it's, it's, it's belongs to the same principle.

So what was another question?

By the way,

I wanted to man to mention another, there

is like a whole

new sub of humans, which call themselves digital

nomads, which I am a

part of actually.

And it's a growing

community.

I'm

seeing whenever I

open

some,

some internet or some Facebook groups,

they're growing exponentially. There are so many more people who

are just,

you know, all the work they do is online and all

they need

is

an online

connection to get by or to do express themselves or write and so on.

So that

creates a whole, [00:39:00] like millions of people who are finally can afford moving out of the place they never resonated with and go to island on Greece just because they always dreamt of

being there.

So,

for example

so that's also a part of that air movement, you know, digital uras.

Aquarius,

digital nomads.

It's almost like captures the, the metaphorically the, the, the whole symbology of Aquarius combined with

Gemini.

So that's about approaching

and nomad. What

was another part of the question?

Amanda: I, yeah,

so this is,

this

is fascinating and

I mean, it's one of the

reasons I

left New York is when I realized, oh wait, hey, I don't have to live where I work. I could actually create something that is not contingent upon where I am physically. And that was a huge draw. For me. 'cause then, then it was like, well, then where would I go?

And it was like, well, [00:40:00] Hawaii, I've

always wanted to go to Hawaii,

right? So this was, this was 15 years ago, but it was like that digital nomad like itch. And maybe that's my Aquarius rising, but like already I was like, this is, this

is cool. All right.

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Amanda: My other question was around sort of natural, natural

or unnatural.

shifts

in

geography as a result of flooding or fires or, you know, the, those kinds of things that happen

And it

completely shifts the geography of a place.

Natural Disaster Migration

Natasha: Yes, and that going to keep

happening. There are people who are doing it way

more than me in

Parentes is

about the geo the effect on the

planet.

It's gonna be continuing because uh, remember I mentioned in the beginning like we are part of

the planet

and the planet is a

part, our solar ecosystem. And the solar ecosystem

is a part of larger systems like galaxies and so on.

So [00:41:00] everything is affected by those energies and

it expresses itself in just different ways For Earth.

It can be how does earth experience f havoc or electric energies or waters and fires? You know, when the systems needs to change because

you see like

we are not separate, like human might

say, I am

moving to there because of

the

planet's consciousness can say, I'm gonna shake off a

couple of things.

Because I'm going through a change.

So it can also be that, well, for

us humans seems like a catastrophe.

Yeah. Can be a renewal

or cleansing

and restarting

every, some new fresh vibe.

And [00:42:00] in turn is

gonna affect

little humans who live on the planet. And it's

also

gonna be

part of the reasons behind the moves.

definitely like Maui regarding the, the

lahaina burning down. I can't connect it to, I mean, I could connect it go back

and

see when it happened and

connect it astrologically, however. To me it is manmade disaster

and

that

kind of

reflects a certain forces

that are operating

on the planet that are also fighting for their survival. And so all

the forces be,

besides those forces, let's say, that created that fire whether are benign or they are having

agendas,

they're also trying to survive,

and they're also [00:43:00] in conflict with each

other, you see? So, so there

is like,

it's a multi-level

restructuration of the

system, both as both physical planet and all the

organisms

and entities that live on

it.

Amanda: Mm. Okay. Fascinating. When you

said

the thing about the earth shifting

and the

earth shaking things off, we literally had a boom of thunder. I don't know if you could hear it in the background, but it

was just like, boom.

Like, whoa, that's

so cool.

Natasha: speaking.

She's talking.

Amanda: exactly.

Natasha: We're on the

same wavelength

Amanda: So we lived on the big island and

there would be a lava flow,

for example, I, I feel like we, we got to witness when people had built these beautiful homes and started

these beautiful farms

and, and were doing amazing things, how it could be, it could go in a second,

Natasha: in a second.

Amanda: and, I remember just going like, [00:44:00] whoa.

I mean, it was, it

was a

whole process of kind of shock around that.

that

truth, that like

everything is

impermanent, even the things that don't seem impermanent. Right? So for anybody listening right now.

Who is like, this is kind of terrifying because they would rather stay rooted. They would rather things be stable.

They

would

rather, be in their family generational home for, and then pass it down to their kids. they, they value that and they love that. what do you say to them? Like, what do you say to clients who feel nervous about these kinds of things? Or, and you would alluded to it earlier, but I'd love you to like, expand upon it.

What if we're, reading the astrological signatures and we're taking some cosmic curriculum from what the planets are showing us, where can

we find

peace? Where can we find that sense of stability and how

do we

co cultivate

that?

Cultivating Peace in Challenging Times

 

Natasha: Well, if we

speak

esoterically speech spiritually, then our

home is [00:45:00] within our

Our heart and

our.

over soul, our, you know, our connection, heart, mind, soul

connection. That's a true whole. That's where we come from and that's where we're gonna go back to. So there is almost like a hint

is coming from all these upheavals to remember and to

re-evaluate what is truly lasting and perennial and what is

transit. However,

what

when I'm talking about havoc, relocation, migration, it doesn't mean that all the populations are gonna get up and go from all the countries. No, no. There are gonna be people who. We'll continue to live in their homes, passed on by generations. There will be new farms. Actually, there's gonna be more of the farm movement

even because

people

feel the

coal to [00:46:00] ground and to live an

organic life

connected to the nature and the planet more. It's also a part of the movie, so I would not listen to what I'm saying and get nervous, about a need. There's no

need to move.

However, a

lot of people will feel

also the call, and that happens naturally, organically, from within. There is no,

some people

will be imposed the need to

move.

However, a lot of people will just

feel

an inner need.

To restart something,

an inner need to

start afresh,

to reset to, or to be

somewhere

where

the resonance

is at its maximum with whatever their [00:47:00] inner nature is calling for. You see? So I'm talking more about that kind of

moves

that are gonna come from the inner

coal.

there are gonna be, a lot of people will wanna join others in co-creating

something,

in terms of communities or new co-living forms and formats. And that comes from

within

the moves that are forced by earth upheaval and geopolitical upheavals are a part. Of the picture.

And that is coming with a package but people who are

well established and having their nature

to thrive while

rooted

don't have a need to worry about anything.

anything.

Amanda: Hmm.

It always comes back

to our natal design, doesn't it?

Natasha: Exactly, exactly.

Amanda: It does. I mean, I love what you're saying too about the restart and just [00:48:00] complete have a completely different experience. I can speak from personal experience that those geographic moves, if you are feeling that itch

for, like,

I just want something totally new, totally fresh.

I can't think of, I mean, besides having kids, that's another one that will just give you a completely different life experience. But moving

really.

Does that, it really like instigates so much change on so many levels and understanding the astrology and, and what aspects of yourself you, you wanna elicit, what aspects of yourself you wanna bring out even more is super powerful.

And of course, I didn't know any of this when I was planning, when I was moving because

I didn't

know anything about astrology. I would just feel a call to certain places and the, those calls

ended up

eliciting. So sometimes we can just trust [00:49:00] our intuition that we we know where the next experience needs to happen.

And having the information from the astrology, I can imagine, like, I, I don't think I would ever dream of moving again without first looking at the location and what it's gonna bring about for myself, for my children. And that was another thing is we were talking before we came on about a mutual friend that we have.

I met her in Hawaii. She has since moved to San Diego, to Maine, to Spain. Just moved all around the world with her children. And we have daughters at the same, basically the same

age.

And I was marveling at how geography has shaped these girls And how their values have been shaped by where they've grown up, their values, their outlook on life, what they enjoy doing, what they're called to do after high school.

it's all been shaped by their geography. So [00:50:00] it's just fascinating to, to think about. What if they had stayed here? How, how would they have similar values? Or, or would they still be different? Like, would their natal chart have been different enough that they maybe would've. Been expressing the same things, but not to the same extent.

Does that make sense?

Natasha: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

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Lived Shaped by Geography

Natasha: Oh yeah, of course.

And, Remember that every place

has its own on the planet, has its own

specific frequency, right?

So when we come with our frequency and tap into that frequency, we either get the song melody that is harmonious together or not. And we oftentimes can feel oh,

this place

is so famous.

Everybody goes there. I come

there and

it's like, oh, it

was okay. You know? And other places which are

not, maybe

not as

popular, we come there and it's like, boom. I can feel the energy. Oftentimes what I noticed. Is that there is [00:51:00] another layer to astrocartography

Exploration.

First of

all, I met a lot

of people, including myself

that were already tuned

into certain places or countries or

cultures intuitively

before they ever went

there.

It's almost like ancient memories would come up or some sort of a connection that established in other lifetimes. They would feel drawn

to that culture

or that

location for without understanding why

intuitively, and then

they would land there.

And when I would look at the chart in that location, it would only confirm an ancient or a past lifetimes lives in that place. So

that's when we go to

the next

level and we can explain why there is like this culture out the world cultures. I [00:52:00] kind of recognize it. It feels familiar, like I know it from within, it resonates. I almost

remember it. So there is a fusion

through that memory. And when you land there, you

almost like, oh, I'm coming home.

So that's another aspect of asto

cartography that is

oftentimes brings you to places that you already had experiences in or will have in your future lives because it's all kind of like, happens simultaneously. Another fascinating aspect of Astrocartography is that we

often

let's say we are.

Meant by our script to meet

certain people.

And these people at the moment, they're in another continent somewhere else, but they're woven into the story of your soul journey, and you are [00:53:00] meant you need to meet them to continue something, right? The story that you

wrote together.

and then somehow circumstances are being put such way that you need to either

go there for work

or you just passing by or somebody mentions or something like

that by some mysterious

reason.

You end up there and there you meet those, let's say karmic allies who also

come there for their own

reasons and then the meeting happens.

and

then I,

I saw that

time after time. That's a, that's another most fascinating part. Now, the third most fascinating

part of cartography, if

I can speak more to that,

is that sometimes

we don't even need

to go to the place where [00:54:00] our powerful spots

on the planet

lies.

Instead, we import people, literally who were

born

on in those locations. That is, you know, that's when your mind gets blown you know,

when you do astrology. So you sometimes

people don't even travel and then they meet somebody

who was born in a neighboring country or

across the globe. They. Instantly get together, or

they marry

or they become

a team for whatever they're

here to accomplish.

And then you look at the chart of that person and the place where

he was

born has the line running or the, let's say mercury on the mc, where your own relocated chart shows. So you bring that person

into life and that person

[00:55:00] almost like is an extension of that

location.

It

is the

most fascinating.

I, my good friends here, a couple

have met

not in the place that neither of

them was born.

And they, they met in the third place,

a city

In Eastern Europe and

when you look at

their, their relocated chart, that city has the mercury of one of the couple running through

it.

And so the couple

has Mercury conjunction in Ry,

So

so a mercurial connection that have

manifested through

the meeting

in that city. I hope I'm not too complicating it too much. I just wanted to show all

the spectrum

of like literal magic and revelations [00:56:00] that can be

experienced and discovered through

studying asso cartography.

Amanda: so fascinating. It's,

I mean,

how did I meet you in Hawaii? You, you, you from Russia, me from California, then New York and, and a friend in New York told me to have a reading with you.

And we're in Hawaii. I mean,

she

she was the one who found you and then said, you need to

have a

reading with this woman. And you ended up living 10 minutes down this the road from me. I mean,

you

weren't just in Hawaii, you were literally in my same town. And it was just, I mean, talk about destiny, right? And and things that needed to happen.

Natasha's Class Now Available!

Amanda: So I hope you all are seeing how amazing this is. And if you're feeling curious to continue the exploration, now would be a great time to check out Natasha's class that she taught with us for our inner circle. It is now available to everyone.

And so [00:57:00] if you wanna check that out and go deeper and start to play with your chart and your kids' charts and your partner's charts, that's also tricky.

when you're

thinking you wanna move somewhere with a family to find a place that is resonating with everybody.

So, and I, I know Natasha, we've been down that road many times, but you can go

to astrology hub.com/relocation,

check

it out.

It is on sale right now for a limited time and there is so much to explore here. I would love to also continue this conversation with you. Any of

you

who are interested in the book that Natasha and I wrote that is gonna be available soon.

I have been engaging with a little behind the scenes group of people who have been following the journey of getting this book

published and some of the

stories and reflections. And we, we share free

chapters if you

wanna start to dig into it. Actually one of the

free chapters

you'll get when you sign up for the free [00:58:00] behind the scenes list is.

The story of the first reading that I had with, with Natasha, and it goes into lots of intricate detail and you'll get to feel like you were sitting there with us during that first reading, so that you can do at life by the stars.com. And you'll be the first to know when the book is available. You're actually gonna be the first to get access to the book when it's available.

So I would love to hang out with you over in that little corner of the universe as well.

Final Thoughts

Natasha: Natasha, thank you. It is always such a pleasure.

Amanda: I love having these conversations with you. These are the kinds of conversations that we have like on our own, and so being able to share them with everybody is so much fun. Thank you all for being here. Thank you for being a part of our community. Thank you as always for making astrology a part of your life, and we will look forward to connecting with

you

on the next episode.

Take care everybody.