Practical wisdom for navigating eclipse season & connecting with fixed stars w/ Gary Caton
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Transcript:
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:23:19
Unknown
Hello my friends, and welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. Today I am so happy to be with you to give you some insight and some guidance into this eclipse window that we are currently navigating. Eclipses can really bring an acceleration of change. They're almost like this time warp or portal that we go through a couple times a year.
00:00:23:21 – 00:00:42:09
Unknown
But what I've found is that when we're aware of the energy, we can really harness it and use it in a productive way. So that always starts with awareness. What is the energy? What is the invitation? What is happening? And today it's really exciting for me because we're bringing Gary Cayton is here
00:00:42:09 – 00:00:48:09
Unknown
and he brings in the element of the fixed stars into his practice.
00:00:48:15 – 00:00:57:02
Unknown
We're going to talk about what that means, why it's important, and why you might also want to consider the fixed stars in your consideration of astrology.
00:00:57:02 – 00:01:07:23
Unknown
So we're going to do that here today. And just a little bit about Gary. He is a world class astrologer who has been practicing for over 30 years practicing and teaching and writing.
00:01:07:24 – 00:01:39:09
Unknown
He's also an author. He has written a book on Mercury. He is working on his second book and he's also a hermetic practitioner. So we're going to talk a little bit about what that means. And one of the things I was saying to Gary before we got started was, what I've noticed is that some of the best astrologers, when they get to a point where they start to integrate other interests that they have dedicated themselves to, it's when their astrology really blossoms.
00:01:39:13 – 00:01:57:19
Unknown
So they have this solid astrological foundation, and they're great astrologers to begin with, and then they weave in other elements and it becomes their own. It becomes like their own signature of astrological education and perspective. And I just love that. So Gary, first of all, welcome
00:01:57:19 – 00:02:01:03
Unknown
back to the show. It's great to have you and it's wonderful to be here.
00:02:01:03 – 00:02:19:21
Unknown
Yeah. Well, and there is going to be an inner circle astrologer with us in February of 2026. So all of you inner circle members this season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you all for to and we're going to talk at the end. He'll tell us a little bit about the mastery class that he's going to be teaching as part of his month.
00:02:19:23 – 00:02:29:24
Unknown
So let's start here though. What is a hermetic practitioner and how do you weave that into your astrological practice. Right. So
00:02:29:24 – 00:02:48:07
Unknown
the hermetic arts, that they're called the Hermetic arts because the, the founder is Hermes is Mercury, right. So Mercury is actually, you know, a lot of people think Uranus and maybe some traditional people think Saturn and those are not wrong answers.
00:02:48:07 – 00:03:28:02
Unknown
But in the, and for several reasons, one of them, because the, the Titan Atlas was his grandfather, Hermes was, you know, the guy holding up the sky right? The Hermes was seen to be the god that gave, astrology to humanity. And Hermes also gave, alchemy and magic and, in fact, at least the magic is pretty much very obviously in the Hermetic mythos from the very beginning.
00:03:28:02 – 00:03:55:12
Unknown
Like everybody knows, he stole the cows right to, you know. But what did he do? He he had, a ceremonial magic. He he practiced ceremonial magic and dividing up the cows and by dividing it up into 12 portions, he was initiating a new order. That is one of the first times that we find that there were 12 Olympians there, you see.
00:03:55:14 – 00:04:23:05
Unknown
So he was really portioning the the, Well, they call it the honors of, or whatever. You know, Greek word. I'm, I'm blanking on the Greek word at the moment. But he then had a, a ceremony of magic where he. And then he sang a song by which he initiated this, and he sang a song to his brother Apollo, whom he had stole the cows from.
00:04:23:07 – 00:04:58:19
Unknown
And so there was this ceremonial magic aspect along with the divine thievery. So it wasn't mere thievery. You see, it was actually thievery to serve a ceremonial purpose. And the ceremonial purpose was basically in a political sort of dealing himself into their into the Olympian pantheon. Right? Because he was born in a cave, in a remote cave. And and he was kind of an outsider and he so he got he he earned himself a place amongst the immortals.
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Unknown
But he also he also sang the song of he kind of sang the song of the origins of all the gods and then singing the beginning, he sort of restarted the whole thing. It was like a song of beginnings to begin anew, if you will. And so magic and then later alchemy have always been sort of what you would call sister arts to astrology because they were all, they're all under the auspices of Hermes.
00:05:32:04 – 00:05:59:04
Unknown
And so I started actually with alchemy, I had an alchemy, buddy in when I was living in Asheville, and, he gave me a copy of the Emerald Tablet, which is a pretty short, cryptic verse about, you know, a really what it is, is it's sort of like the creation of the universe in a paragraph sensually.
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Unknown
It's almost like a Genesis type text. And, and it's, you know, people, you can interpret it in terms of like literal lab alchemy of like, you do this with that metal and you, you transform the, the metals and, you know, they're trying to transform, transmute, lead into gold and so forth. But really to me, it's like it's sort of like that song of creation that Hermes sang in the Ritual Magic.
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Unknown
But it's it's like more of a, academic version, I guess. And that's where we get the saying as above, so below, right? It does, but it doesn't say that. Actually, it says that which is above corresponds to that which is below, and that which is below corresponds to that which is above. So there's a correspondence between above and below you, that's happening.
00:06:57:16 – 00:07:15:06
Unknown
And, and that's actually know part of my first book was exploring the astronomy of Mercury, the planet Mercury, and noticing how the above and below alignments were coming together
00:07:15:06 – 00:07:20:00
Unknown
when I first started on the Alchemical Journey, I didn't even know that's what I was doing.
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Unknown
I was I was working with the asteroids. Demetrius book on asteroids. She talks about this
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Unknown
process of transformation through the the four main asteroids. And that, like series represents the process as a whole. And then Vesta and Athena and Juno represent three stages in the process of transformation. And as I was reading, I was like, I've been through that, right?
00:07:48:11 – 00:08:34:24
Unknown
Because before I became an astrologer, I was homeless. And I and I basically like, had to rebirth myself just intuitively. I sort of went through the process of rebirth and I had no idea what I was doing, but I was following, of course, I was following this archetypal pattern because it is the pattern of transformation. And when I realized, Holy smokes, like this is the map for what I went through, I was like, wow, I've got a I've got to learn this so I can teach people who are who are going through what I went through and give them a map, because if I had had a map, my God, you know, how much easier
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Unknown
may it have been and how much more complete native been? And and so on,
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Unknown
that's really what alchemy is about. It's the art of transformation. You know that? Great. I haven't heard it described that way. That is really clear.
00:08:48:11 – 00:09:01:14
Unknown
And and I and I love what you're saying, too, about just being able to anchor the current transit that someone might be going through in a larger context, a larger unfolding story.
00:09:01:17 – 00:09:24:23
Unknown
And I, and I agree with you that helps people realize that it's not just this random thing that's happening to them, that they just need to grit and grind through, but it's actually a threshold that they're crossing over. And if they do that, then it actually helps them in the next transit, the next unfolding opportunity of transformation in their story.
00:09:24:23 – 00:09:45:12
Unknown
You know? No, it's not in that sense. It's an opportunity. You know, it's an opportunity to grow and to, you know, not everyone's a fan of Maslow. I happen to love Maslow because he's born 60 years before me. And that's a Jupiter Saturn cycle. So he's born in April, 60 years before me. I'm also an Aries. So.
00:09:45:12 – 00:10:10:08
Unknown
So we have the same sun sign, the same Mars sign, the same Jupiter sign, the same Saturn sign. Because that's the 60 year deal. Oh, wow. But Maslow talked about self-actualization, right? So. Or actualization the the process of becoming fully you. Yeah. Right. That's true. Yeah. And that's so. So yeah, I like getting somebody through this one. Transit is great.
00:10:10:10 – 00:10:22:22
Unknown
But if we can kind of give them an idea of how getting through this transit serves them, becoming fully them, wow. That's a whole nother. And so horse of a different color.
00:10:22:22 – 00:10:33:01
Unknown
I was so lucky in my beginning of astrology, when I was in that dark night of the soul period, to have astrologers who helped me in that way like it was.
00:10:33:01 – 00:10:48:19
Unknown
It was so huge to have them reflecting back to me like, no, no, no, no, this is an opportunity. You need to seize it like you are making really important choices right now that will set you up for the rest of your life. Yeah. It's huge. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I love all this.
00:10:48:19 – 00:10:58:20
Unknown
So speaking of thresholds, thinking, speaking of moments of change and opportunity, let's talk about this current eclipse window that we're in.
00:10:58:22 – 00:11:19:04
Unknown
Yes. And and then we can talk about the fixed stars and their role. Let's just talk about the eclipse window. And in general yes. Yeah. So you know I really like Adam Summer is one of the I don't know who coined the term, but Adam Summer is one of the people I know that uses the term dragon hole.
00:11:19:06 – 00:11:54:05
Unknown
Yes. It's pretty apt, you know, you know, the caput Dragon S and Khalida Draconis, right at the head and tail of the dragon are what the nodes are known by. So that's where he's coming from, is like, there's this dragon energy that's, And the eclipses are arranged in families called Saros series, and they, they are like a thousand year, cycles, more like 1500 year cycles.
00:11:54:07 – 00:12:25:08
Unknown
And when you follow them, they, they start at one or the other pole and they slowly wrap themselves around the earth twice, almost like a Gnostic serpent. Right. Wrapping itself around the egg. Have you ever seen that image? Yes. So that's what we're dealing with. We're dealing with of like a family of dragons that are wrapping themselves around the earth and slowly alchemical, transforming the earth and and the people on it.
00:12:25:10 – 00:12:48:11
Unknown
It's real. And that's I mean, it's like Merlin's sword and sorcery kind of stuff, you know? But it goes back to what we were just saying. So, but more at a collective level that that these eclipses are transformation opportunities that are transforming the Earth itself and human collective consciousness itself. And yes, of course, we individually are part of that.
00:12:48:13 – 00:13:24:17
Unknown
That's fascinating. Okay. 100%. Yeah. So there's a couple different so the so the Saros series most people probably know that's like 18 years. Right. So we would have had the last time that we had you know, eclipses in these signs and this pair of signs would have been 18 years ago. Right. So 2007. And then there's other another series called a metonymy series, which is when the, the last time we would have had, eclipses on these same exact dates would have been 19 years ago.
00:13:24:19 – 00:13:47:19
Unknown
Okay. Thousand and six, there would have been, excuse me, what is it? September 7th is the lunar eclipse. Yeah. And so there would have been an a lunar eclipse on September 7th in 2006. Also. No. So we can begin to look at 2006 and 2007 to get that kind of bookend in quality that I was talking about.
00:13:47:19 – 00:14:10:08
Unknown
Okay, what's going on now that can be seem to be an extension of that time, right? You know, and I mean, I mean, I remember for me, that was kind of where I was wrapping up my career in mental health and I was deciding, okay, I'm going to like go all in on the astrology thing. I'm not going to be part timing this anymore.
00:14:10:08 – 00:14:21:11
Unknown
I'm just going to like, go for it, you know? And, and so that's, that's and that wow. You know, like,
00:14:21:11 – 00:14:37:15
Unknown
with these when these come back around. So if we, if we all reference back to 2006, 2007, in our life, what were the storylines, what were the big themes that were happening when they spiral back around, like is happening right now?
00:14:37:17 – 00:14:45:24
Unknown
What is a continuation of the story? Is it what is it? Yeah. So yeah, if you think about it like again,
00:14:45:24 – 00:15:08:10
Unknown
think about the zero series as like this family of dragons that are slowly wrapping themselves around the earth. So there's like this. So it's a brought so basically this eclipse that's happening on this September 7th is a is a brother or sister or, or maybe you could say is like the child of the previous 1 in 2007.
00:15:08:12 – 00:15:30:21
Unknown
There there's a familial relationships. So it's not. So there will be, you know, just like we look we tend to look like one of our parents, sometimes grandparents actually. It skips. Yeah. Right. But, you know, so there's a resemblance. So it's not the same exact thing. It's kind of like that saying that history rhymes, it doesn't repeat, it rhymes or whatever.
00:15:30:23 – 00:15:50:15
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. There will be themes that are coming back up. And I mean, just, just really if we just want to get into the mechanics of it, of course it's, it's a, it's activating the same sign. So it's activating the same part of your chart. Yeah. And and and and again 2006 we're talking about the same day.
00:15:50:15 – 00:16:22:11
Unknown
So it's the same degree of your chart which be 15 degrees of Pisces. So so the one so yeah. Like that that house of your chart is being reactivated. The right for me is the second house. And so that idea, well, you know, when I first started going full time in astrology, it really wasn't like a as legit a way to make a living as it is now.
00:16:22:13 – 00:16:42:06
Unknown
Yeah. And I literally had to, like, be like, okay, like, I think I'm going to go ahead and pay my mortgage off. First, and then I'll make the leap because I don't want the pressure of trying to. I mean, I knew people who did it. I remember, you know, Brenda brushes a lady who was down in South Florida.
00:16:42:06 – 00:17:04:07
Unknown
She she did astrology readings like, all day, every day is seven days a week and raised a family of kids with it. So it's not like it wasn't being done. Yeah, sure. And I respect the heck out of anybody who could do that, but I, I, I felt like I needed a little bit more security, knowing.
00:17:04:07 – 00:17:25:19
Unknown
And so I kind of prepped myself for that, by taking the pressure off, you know, resource wise, so you can look at the house of your chart that's being activated. But this is a North Node eclipse, right? The first the lunar eclipse is a North Node eclipse. So there's actually it's the head of the dragon, right.
00:17:25:19 – 00:17:57:09
Unknown
So what happens at the head? We ingest it stuff. Right. Whether we're taking in information with our ears or our eyes or our mouth, we're receiving the the input of the universe through our head. Yeah. And so there's new energy that wants to come into your life. And it's but it's like challenging. It's not it's not like, Venus knocking at your door and saying, hey, here's a, you know, welcome to the neighborhood.
00:17:57:09 – 00:18:18:15
Unknown
Here's a basket of flowers and some yummy stuff. It's a dragon, right? It's going to be like, hello. I would like you to transform. Now, you know, and and so, yeah, I'm that's that's that's a good dragon boy. Yes.
00:18:18:15 – 00:18:32:23
Unknown
No. It's a there's going to be new, new people, new experiences, new, content in our life that we are being asked to assimilate, integrate, and potentially to love.
00:18:33:03 – 00:18:37:01
Unknown
Through, you know, the, might be challenges of like, hey, do
00:18:37:01 – 00:18:51:11
Unknown
you want to take this to the next level? And it might be a little bit difficult to recognize them as such. For instance, the time period when I'm talking about the reason why I finally I mean, I was really good at my job in mental health.
00:18:51:11 – 00:19:15:11
Unknown
I mean, I had contacts, I ran an entire child services unit for an entire county. Well, okay. And so I knew people in the schools. I knew people in the judicial system. I knew, you know, and all of them loved me, and I, I was really good at my job, but I kept getting laid off because there were, you know, the the red tape of the organizational stuff.
00:19:15:11 – 00:19:37:14
Unknown
And that's the part that I couldn't stand the and after, after getting laid off to this for the second time in like two years, I was like, you know what? Maybe this is actually an invitation. Like instead, you see what I'm saying? Yeah, I could have seen it a whole different way of like, you know, and I and but I realized, like, you know what?
00:19:37:14 – 00:20:05:13
Unknown
Maybe if I'm ever going to fully dedicate my life to what I was thinking was astrology ended up being the Hermetic arts, even CC so there was the invitation. First of all, I had to see it as an invitation. Second of all, I didn't even realize the enormity of the invitation that I was receiving. Yeah, yeah. Okay. What do you everybody keep that in mind so that, you know, we don't always know and sometimes in hindsight.
00:20:05:13 – 00:20:13:15
Unknown
But but being able to look back at these patterns or these trends through time, you can you can see that these breadcrumbs were there for you.
00:20:13:15 – 00:20:26:20
Unknown
And, and I always think, wow, if we could just acknowledge them in the moment, like if we can have the awareness while we're going through it, that this is something significant, even if we don't know what that means yet.
00:20:26:22 – 00:20:33:08
Unknown
Yeah. I just feel like we might appreciate it more. We might engage with it at a deeper level. What is that? What does that look like?
00:20:33:08 – 00:20:50:02
Unknown
You know, so you have a dragon coming over for dinner. What are you going to do? Well, what do you do when anybody comes over for dinner? You clean the house. You you know, you clean up you straight, you make room for the guest, to receive, you see.
00:20:50:04 – 00:21:12:08
Unknown
Yes. And so it's kind of counterintuitive, but one of the things that you can do to invite a North Node eclipse in is actually to do the South Node first and get rid of some junk that's in the way, and then because that then that energy has room to come in and it has a place to sit the right.
00:21:12:08 – 00:21:37:20
Unknown
Because think about it, just like in terms of just like energetic, like if something's being injected into a system, new energy and there's no room for it, something else is going to have to exit. Right. And and oftentimes that's what we notice if we're not really paying attention or if we're not astrologically in tune, we'll go, there's an eclipse and we'll go, oh, something was taken away from me.
00:21:37:20 – 00:22:04:12
Unknown
Oh, wow. This is such a negative experience. But it's like, you know, like if we clear space for it, that and and consciously decide ourselves. Hey, you know what? Like there's this stuff in the corner over here. I haven't been doing anything with anyways. Maybe if I clear some space, then then this new energy that's coming in will be more welcome.
00:22:04:14 – 00:22:41:12
Unknown
And I won't need that random, you know, injection of whatever, you know, because a dragon's going to come in and its tail is going to head stuff and stuff's going to go flying. And it may not be, it may be totally random, whatever gets ejected. Whereas if we're consciously making room for it, you know, at least if nothing else, it gives us the feeling of being, a little more in control, and it gives us the feeling of actually, of sacred, you know, of, what's the word?
00:22:41:14 – 00:22:45:02
Unknown
Higher hero. Topi. Sacred making of sacred space.
00:22:45:02 – 00:22:56:22
Unknown
Yes, yes. So yes, it it creates an opportunity to ritualized it to ceremonial. Is it to make it sacred, to make a significant.
00:22:56:22 – 00:22:59:02
Unknown
Now we have another one coming up.
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Unknown
So we're in between eclipses right. So we have the North Node eclipse first. And then we're going to have the South Node eclipse second. Yes I have a how is that. Because normally the South node eclipses the letting go one. Right. Is the releasing one right. So how does that work. Are we going to have to like release again or like what?
00:23:17:04 – 00:23:38:23
Unknown
How does that energy. Well that's what I'm saying. Like it. They worked in pairs. So it's like you you might have the release to let in. You might have to let in in order to release, you see what I'm saying? Like, the so the South Node eclipse is in Virgo and it's in the last degree of Virgo.
00:23:39:00 – 00:24:09:02
Unknown
So those final degrees usually. Now this is the weird part about it. We think of the last degree of a sign as a completion, because planets go through from 0 to 29. Yeah, but how do eclipses go through a sign. They go 29 first. But how they go backwards. Yeah, they yeah, they know right. Yeah. Okay. So this is the beginning of this is actually the beginning of this, you know, sign this house being activated.
00:24:09:04 – 00:24:38:18
Unknown
You know, and so, there there's a, there's a process of letting go that you don't have to finish this time around necessarily. Right? There's a there's going to be more eclipses in this area of your chart. And so you might need to just almost, just get used to the idea that, okay, there's some process of letting go that's being initiated here.
00:24:38:20 – 00:25:05:07
Unknown
And I just kind of need to accept that that. And look, people talk about, you know, surrender. Acceptance comes before surrender. You know, like, you have to just accept, okay? You know, because denials. Yeah. That denial is a huge, component of like, you know, and trying to fix it as it's happening, you know, is a form of denial.
00:25:05:09 – 00:25:22:09
Unknown
And that's typically that's a very typical Virgo reaction of like, I can manage this, I can fix it, I can hold it together. I, you know, I'm strong enough, I'm good, I'm I'm competent enough. I'm right. Like a lot of Virgos would naturally respond that way.
00:25:22:09 – 00:25:27:06
Unknown
A lot of her and a lot of a lot of Capricorns do exactly, exactly like that.
00:25:27:08 – 00:25:40:10
Unknown
A lot of Earth signs. Yeah, yeah, I feel like I can I it I got this right. Right. It might just be oh wow. I need to get ready for a little bit of messiness here. Okay. But let's clarify.
00:25:40:10 – 00:25:49:14
Unknown
So we talked about the sorrow cycle and the meta tonic cycle. And those are 18 years 18 1919. Yeah.
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Unknown
But what you're talking about in terms of these eclipses happening in this Virgo area of our chart, that's two and a half years. Correct. So like whatever. Yeah. Whatever thing is being initiated as a potential letting go thing. It it could potentially take two plus years for that to completely unfold. Yeah. Sorry I that's exactly that's exactly. And it's not 18 years.
00:26:13:12 – 00:26:36:24
Unknown
It's two years. Yeah. Right. Right. It's 18 years since the last time we went through this two and a half year thing. Right. Exactly, exactly. That's it continues. You all I'm tracking I. Yeah. So so yeah. It might just be that we just need to get used to the idea of it even would be enough. Right. Almost for this first one.
00:26:37:03 – 00:26:46:01
Unknown
Well, I find sometimes with certain situations that even just that game of like what would I do if I lost that thing? How would I respond?
00:26:46:01 – 00:27:00:04
Unknown
Could I survive? Like, what would life look like? Even just doing that can sometimes help me loosen the grip a little bit of like, no, I gotta keep this thing together. Like it's like, yeah, okay, I don't want to lose this thing.
00:27:00:04 – 00:27:26:14
Unknown
I would be really devastated. I'd be crushed and probably I'd find a way through it, you know, that, depending on what it is. But. Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, you you either find a way through it or you or you, you know, or you're, you either willingly find a way through it or you just sort of forced to, like, life goes on.
00:27:26:16 – 00:27:50:06
Unknown
Right, right. And so, so yeah, that that's what comes to mind with like the 29 degree thing because it's actually not a completion. It's a beginning. Right. Thank you for that. That is really helpful context. So let's let's bring it to the fixed stars. I've recently well I'd say within the last couple of years started to fall in love with the fixed stars in a new way.
00:27:50:06 – 00:28:19:10
Unknown
Because what I've noticed is that when astrologers come on this show and they do bring in the fixed star energy, first of all, it feels really accurate. It feels like it adds a really important layer to the conversation that is often left out. And and I and I also feel like people inherently feel drawn to certain fixed stars like Sirius or Regulus or Arcturus or, you know, there's just like a it's like intrinsic draw.
00:28:19:10 – 00:28:38:20
Unknown
So I love incorporating them in the conversation. It feels like a very important backdrop to everything else that we talk about. Yes, yes, I know, I know, I like that there's something that you got give tell us what you see in terms of why you bring it into your practice and why you teach it so much, like you're going to be teaching for hours for the NASA.
00:28:38:20 – 00:29:11:12
Unknown
Exactly. Right. Yeah. So yeah, this is sort of like an intro to the masterclass that we're going to be covering in in February. And we'll probably, you know, we'll sort of dial it into a particular star or two. Yeah. But the stars in general, I mean from going back even before astrology to like Plato and that's the thing, like even scientists who embrace Plato as, like the beginning of knowledge and Western, you know, philosophy and so forth.
00:29:11:14 – 00:29:40:11
Unknown
Plato said, we come from the stars. So, you know, I feel like there's almost a sense of, knowing that we essentially are stars, you know, it's like, that's that song by Joni Mitchell that, you know, we are Stardust is literally true. You know, we are. The carbon in our bodies is made from an explosion of a of an the nuclear furnace of a star.
00:29:40:13 – 00:30:21:20
Unknown
That's that's the truth of who we are. And so in Neoplatonic philosophy. What's that? What that means is that we came from the stars. And then there's this process of, the spiritual becoming material. And in that process there's sort of layers. And this gets into Kabbalah and some more like deep esoterica. But the long and short of it is, is that, you know, we come from the stars and then we, we come through the sort of stairway or ladder or tree, if you will, of the planet, the planetary spheres.
00:30:21:22 – 00:31:07:20
Unknown
We take on the energy, the, the romance, the clothing of the planets as we incarnate. Okay. And so that's how we become our birth chart. As we're coming in from the stars, we take on the qualities of our birth chart through the planets. And then as we're leaving, we sort of, you know, the ideas that we sort of, you know, the moon disrobe on our way out and, and the lessons that we learned and the karma that we had and so forth is then and so there's this sense of like that by, by connecting with the stars.
00:31:07:20 – 00:31:32:12
Unknown
We're sort of, sort of sort of like, almost like E.T. phone home. Do you remember the movie E.T., where he was, but like the phone home? Yeah. Like that's what it is. We're phoning home and we're. So I don't know how many, just astrologers. You have one here, but the the word for planet in-jokes is Gracia, right?
00:31:32:12 – 00:31:57:13
Unknown
It's like means grasping. So the thing about the planets as they move, they're always moving, even when the planet is stationing. If you really study the astronomy, it's not stopping. It's it's usually going like this. So it's stopping motion this way, but it's then going down or up to turn like, yeah, like even planets don't stop on a dime and turn there is like spin.
00:31:57:17 – 00:32:23:18
Unknown
They have to go around. Yeah. Right. They don't. Yeah. They don't just spin. They go around. But that's a whole nother topic. But anyway there's this they're always moving and they're and and so the idea is that they're grasping the energy of the stars to bring it into materialization. They're intermediaries between the stars and us. Wow. Right. Yeah.
00:32:23:18 – 00:32:56:00
Unknown
So, so, so that whatever planetary alignments, that being transits essentially is what we're talking about, whatever those planetary alignments bring into our lives is it's by definition, ephemeral. That's why we call the tables that you used to consult when you did charts by hand. They're called ephemera ads because they're literally listings of ephemeral positions of the planets.
00:32:56:02 – 00:33:29:22
Unknown
And so the whatever manifest through that ephemeral energy is ephemeral. But whatever manifest through fixed star energy is connecting with something more timeless, more fixed, more eternal, more true to actually our immortal nature, if you will. If we're if we are stars, there's a part of us that is godlike and that and so it's sort of like our higher self, or however you want to imagine that.
00:33:30:01 – 00:33:47:18
Unknown
Would you say we're tuning more into our soul? Yeah, we're tuning into our soul, our earth, the eternal part of our soul, actually. Wow. You know, Abby, I don't know about all of you, but this is blowing my mind. I think that's just something. And it's just the way that you're describing. It is so clear
00:33:47:18 – 00:33:52:06
Unknown
like this. It just the mechanism by which it's all working.
00:33:52:08 – 00:34:14:10
Unknown
That's it? Yeah. It's fast. That was the philosophy that the world ran on for more than a thousand years. Like everybody knew that. That was like the way that we accept science today. Whoa. That was the worldview for a thousand, more than a thousand years. Like, that's like we come from the stars. We come in through the planets.
00:34:14:16 – 00:34:35:18
Unknown
The planets govern these ephemeral affairs of, you know, all the world's a stage, and we are players. So the planets are the players on the stage of the zodiac, essentially. Wow. Right. I can you imagine how different we all would live our lives if that was the in, in all of our awareness, all the time, just like part of our conversations, like, oh yeah, of course we come from the stars.
00:34:35:18 – 00:34:39:20
Unknown
Of course we're here, you know? Okay. Amazing. Exactly.
00:34:39:20 – 00:34:53:19
Unknown
Okay, so tell us that that you just totally set the stage for why we should pay attention to the fixed stars. Thank you for that. Yeah. Now, how is that influencing this eclipse period of time we're in right now? Yeah. So the
00:34:53:19 – 00:35:01:03
Unknown
eclipses themselves are not, you know, dead on any particular fixed star.
00:35:01:05 – 00:35:26:16
Unknown
In the middle of Pisces, there we have the stars of Pegasus there and around the Pisces Aries point, you know, and so and both of these eclipses, the solar eclipse is going to be activating, you know, 29 Virgo, which means, you know, the opposite opposite to that eclipse is going to be Saturn and Neptune, which are clustered around the Aries point.
00:35:26:18 – 00:35:58:03
Unknown
So even though the eclipse itself is way over in Virgo, the stars of Pegasus are still going to be involved through their connection with, Neptune and and, Saturn food. And there's, there's a really tremendously rich story that goes along there. I mean, we could almost do a whole nother episode about that story because Pegasus was, of course, the child of Medusa.
00:35:58:05 – 00:36:38:21
Unknown
Pegasus sprang out of Medusa. And, and then there's that whole story of how that happened, which was, Andromeda, the princess, you know, got chained to a rock because her mother, you know, angered Poseidon. And so there's this karmic sort of, thing between the generations where there's sort of this, there's this, and then Perseus comes along and kind of sets Andromeda free, and they go on to found, really, Persia is their son becomes like the founder of Persia.
00:36:38:23 – 00:37:16:15
Unknown
So there's so there's this mythic energy with Pegasus that has to do with, like, rising above what seems to be fated or karmic situations that are not even of our own making. Right. Andromeda didn't do anything wrong. It was her mother that actually boasted made a boast that this is the story that I'm not saying, you know, that I was there or anything, but the story, the story is that she boasted and angered Poseidon.
00:37:16:15 – 00:37:52:08
Unknown
And then Poseidon sent this monster to ravage the the Ethiopian coast and so forth, and so and then and then, Pegasus is is sort of this, liberating energy that comes along to, sort of extract Andromeda from this situation that she was stuck in on this karmic situation that wasn't even of her own making. It's sort of like, you know, that biblical saying the sins of the parents are visited upon the children.
00:37:52:08 – 00:38:43:08
Unknown
You know, it was literally like that in the story. And, and so Pegasus represents like this ability to call upon a higher power, if you will, that sort of able to, soar above that in some way and to get us out of our stuck places with these, and there's a lot of conversations about, right now, you know, there's a lot of people talking about ancestral trauma, and, you know, colonization and the patterns of human, you know, karma and, and stuff that's been going on for however many life, you know, generations and, and so on.
00:38:43:10 – 00:39:33:22
Unknown
And anytime you're talking about the outer planets, you're already talking about generational energies by definition. Right. Because, you know, Neptune is 165 years, which is two full human lifetimes. Yeah. And so, yeah, it feels like there's, there's an invitation maybe in, in that regard to see if these eclipses are activating that kind of story that has a generational or it could even be like a cultural, mythos that's being activated where you're where you're like, through no fault of your own, even necessarily where you're sort of subject to or stuck in some kind of, not pleasant pattern.
00:39:33:24 – 00:39:57:18
Unknown
She was literally chained to a rock, right? Andromeda was chained to a rock to be sacrificed to this monster. And that and that there might be a way, to be liberated from that through, some kind of higher divine energy that that's available.
00:39:57:18 – 00:40:03:16
Unknown
like sometimes when I hear the mythology and the stories, it's kind of like, yeah, yeah, but, like, that's not real.
00:40:03:16 – 00:40:21:07
Unknown
I didn't really happen. Like what? What does that do? Like, what does that actually have to do with real life? How do you. Because I know you bring a lot of mythology and you connect with a lot of mythology and your practice of astrology and I'm sure, yeah, alchemy and magic as well. Yeah. How do you bring that in in a way that's relevant?
00:40:21:07 – 00:40:29:17
Unknown
Like, do you actually think these things happened? Did they actually happen? Are they stories that teach us things like what is their role?
00:40:29:17 – 00:40:47:14
Unknown
did what you dreamed last night actually happen is thankfully not in this reality that I'm aware of as a disturbing dream. So yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like. Right. Does did Shakespeare, did the plays of Shakespeare actually happen?
00:40:47:14 – 00:41:17:13
Unknown
I mean, it's kind of the same conversation as, is astrology real? You know what I'm saying? Like, does does there have to be like an actual being, you know, does Neptune actually actually have to be beaming a physical being into my eye or heart or wherever to for it to be doing something? Yeah, I'm saying yeah. So these, these stories are, are, are a cultural in the heritage.
00:41:17:13 – 00:41:32:09
Unknown
Right. Basically. Right. They're cultural heritage from, from Greece. And if you look at them like dreams, I mean, I think everybody's had that experience of being caught in a drama that's not, they're making I'm pretty sure everybody's had that
00:41:32:09 – 00:41:36:18
Unknown
experience. That's actually one of the hardest ones, I feel where it's just like, oh my God, I didn't.
00:41:36:21 – 00:41:45:06
Unknown
What did I do to to causes? It's like, well, nothing. I'm just kind of here in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people or whatever it is. And it's, it's
00:41:45:06 – 00:42:03:11
Unknown
it's really difficult because a you feel like this is not mine. Why should I be the one to figure it out? But but then on the other hand, if I don't do well right.
00:42:03:13 – 00:42:31:15
Unknown
So yeah, I mean, I think, I think they're useful in that way. Like it's a metaphor, like, you know, it's in the same way that watching a play and, and again, like one of the main functions of watching a play for the Greeks was the catharsis, like an emotional release? Same reason we listen to music. Like, did you know one of my favorite progressive rock bands is rush, right?
00:42:31:21 – 00:42:59:08
Unknown
Like, I was a kid in the 70s, right? So rush was really big back then, and they had this album called 2112. It's this whole, like, mythos and this story. Did that really happen? Pretty sure not because it's set in the future. It. But is there stuff in there that I can like, learn from and and resonate with and like and see to have relevance to life?
00:42:59:08 – 00:43:00:21
Unknown
Absolutely.
00:43:00:21 – 00:43:16:11
Unknown
Yeah. You know. Yeah. So I have that, I have that within a imagine Dragons album like that. I feel like the whole every single song was like describing this period of time in my life. It's like, whoa, yeah. Everybody has that, you know, it's I think it's the same thing.
00:43:16:11 – 00:43:27:19
Unknown
So you can do the same thing with the myth and just and just like looking at it like a dream or a piece of music or a play, a movie, what have you, that there's that.
00:43:27:19 – 00:43:57:03
Unknown
It's a, in, in psychology, they call them projective instruments, right. That's what those, those inkblots or whatever. Right. Yeah. But you look at the inkblot, what do you see? Is anything actually there other than an inkblot? No actually. But you see stuff and what you see says, says something about your state of mind at that moment, you know.
00:43:57:03 – 00:44:24:18
Unknown
And so, so yeah, it's kind of the same thing. It's like when you read that myth, what do you see? For the longest time I saw, wow, that's some really sick stuff. Yeah. You know, that's what I saw because, you know, there's a lot of sort of toxic, stuff that's passed down from father to son from, I'm sure, the same way I happen to be a man.
00:44:24:18 – 00:44:55:13
Unknown
So that's what I see. But, and and so when you're kind of caught up in dealing with that, you know, it's, it's like, man, I do not actually want to hear about that story, right? Yeah. I'm like, I've been trying to, get away from that my whole life. And so I get it like, it's not pleasant necessarily, but the fact but a the fact that, like, there's this sort of cathartic resolution to the story.
00:44:55:13 – 00:45:22:24
Unknown
A there is an outlet. And it's actually, you know, Greeks are famous for tragedy. Like, there's a lot of times there's not a happy ending. It's very this happens to be one of the few. There's a pretty happy ending. Andromeda and Perseus get together. They have. They make a family. And they found, an empire. Actually. And, so, you know, as far as Greek stories go, nuts.
00:45:23:00 – 00:45:48:16
Unknown
About as good as it gets. So I love any success at the end of it, you know? Yeah, exactly. And so, just kind of like tuning in to that and realizing a, like, again, you know, what was some of the biggest lessons of astrology, like knowing when people find out about transits. Oh, so this too shall pass.
00:45:48:18 – 00:46:14:22
Unknown
Well, one of the lessons that I would take here is like, if I'm going through something like that in that story, a I'm not alone. Like it's kind of a universal and I know, yeah, it's like, oh, misery loves company. Well, okay, great, we're all miserable together. But hey, knowing that, you know, that takes you out of a place of like, this is my fault, because that's what children tend to do with trauma.
00:46:14:24 – 00:46:37:19
Unknown
They tend to blame themselves, even if they even if, like, it's very clear in the story, it was not her fault. But psychologically, children tend to say, okay, this must because they don't they can't. They don't have a way to conceive of the world as this big thing. Yet. So it must have something to do with me. So I must have done something wrong.
00:46:37:21 – 00:46:45:09
Unknown
So how can I be a more of a good girl or boy to make this, to figure this out right.
00:46:45:09 – 00:46:50:12
Unknown
Yeah, I love I love tapping into the archetypal nature of these stories.
00:46:50:12 – 00:47:16:18
Unknown
And seeing how both the cautionary tales involved in them, but also getting clear on the repeat patterns that we as humanity, like these stories that we've just been playing out and then making a choice. Do I want to feed that story anymore? I remember I had a thing with Juno one time, and I was in a situation where I realized I was playing Juno's story of wrath toward other women.
00:47:16:18 – 00:47:39:06
Unknown
You know, it was a very specific situation. And I went, Oh God, do I really want to feed that anymore? I mean, I have two daughters when I like to model something different for them. And if I was going to get out of that storyline, what do I need to do? Like someone has to cross the chasm and be like the bigger person in these kinds of situations where there's jealousy and resentment and all these things, right.
00:47:39:08 – 00:48:07:18
Unknown
So I do feel we can we can become aware of like, okay, that story's old. Like, let's not do that anymore. What what's another way we can move beyond those narratives that have been happening for thousands of years? Exactly. And that's what Pisces represents to me, is this this inherent liberated of quality that we can rise above this narrative of getting stuck in this, you know, human drama.
00:48:07:20 – 00:48:11:17
Unknown
So and so said something and so-and-so's mad about it and. Yeah,
00:48:11:17 – 00:48:37:19
Unknown
yeah. And now we must go for revenge. And then everybody gets. Yeah, it's just. Yeah, you know, like, let's get above that somehow and let's kind of rise above that and look for look for a new story. Yeah. Which is what they did in the end. They founded a new empire, you know, and Gary just now summarizing, looking at these eclipses, what we never said this the date of the second eclipse.
00:48:37:19 – 00:48:38:14
Unknown
Yeah. That's right. So
00:48:38:14 – 00:49:05:02
Unknown
we have so September 7th, at 15 Pisces. That's the North Node eclipse, right. That's the new energy coming in. And then September 21st at 29 of Virgo. That's the South Node eclipse. So that's the energies going out being released. And which ones lunar and which ones are solar. Oh sorry. Yes. The lunar eclipse is the 15 Pisces North Node.
00:49:05:04 – 00:49:33:17
Unknown
Okay. First up is, September 21st, and that's the South Node eclipse. So, you know, lunar eclipses, typically because they're a full moon that implies relational type energy. So it usually involves other people and like mirroring things to us and so forth. And then the solar eclipse, typically because it's a union of the sun and the moon and the sun is more, you know, egoic in nature.
00:49:33:17 – 00:49:59:14
Unknown
It's it's typically more personal of like, okay, this is about me. And I have to, you know, clear something out. Basically, you know, there's something in my life that needs clearing the. Yeah. Thank you. So looking forward to having you back as our guide in February of next year. Yeah. Yeah, this is my fourth time around.
00:49:59:17 – 00:50:22:08
Unknown
Fourth time. Amazing. Yeah. And I'm going to go deeper on fixed stars. Do you know which fixed stars you're going to focus on yet? We're going to be talking and so I hear that you've had harmony on recently to talk about Jupiter with serious. Yes. And that's really cool because guess what Jupiter is going to be coming back over that star in February.
00:50:22:10 – 00:50:30:08
Unknown
Amazing. Yeah. So week and there's another star that's, in that same area of sky that's called Canopus.
00:50:30:08 – 00:50:46:09
Unknown
Yeah, it's a more southern star. And so we're going to talk about that alignment a little bit too, and then also starting to learn how to, interpret fixed stars in our own charts. Correct? Yeah. To interpret them and work with them and even to invoke them, you know,
00:50:46:09 – 00:51:05:07
Unknown
we can we can begin to, sort of, even if you're not necessarily ready for ceremonial magic in terms of, like, making talismans or something, you can sort of, consciously, you know, phone home.
00:51:05:07 – 00:51:27:11
Unknown
But yeah, got, nice. Okay, good. So we're going to learn how to phone. I love it. Right. Thank you so much. This has been welcome. Pleasure is such a delight. I feel like we've gotten that bigger picture, Eagle's eye perspective on this portal of time that we're navigating. I hope you all have found it helpful and relevant.
00:51:27:11 – 00:51:40:06
Unknown
Let us know in the comments! If you haven't subscribed yet to the show, now would be a great time to do that. Also, if you haven't yet joined us for Ricky Williams class on the strongest planet
00:51:40:06 – 00:51:53:04
Unknown
it is, we just had the first class. It's so amazing. This concept of connecting with your strongest planet, to me kind of feels a little similar to starting to integrate fixed stars.
00:51:53:10 – 00:52:18:05
Unknown
So moving beyond the the horse, the zodiac conversation, and really focusing on the planets as individual entities and understanding which are your strongest, which are your weakest. What does that mean? How do you apply that in your life? It feels similar to like going even further and going into the fixed stars. And what does that mean? So if you're interested in this, it's still available.
00:52:18:05 – 00:52:22:10
Unknown
It's still available at the lowest pricing will offer for this class.
00:52:22:10 – 00:52:35:16
Unknown
So go ahead and go to astrology.com/strongest planet. It's not too late to join. You'll get the recording of the first class, and we'd love to have you in that as well. Anything else scary?
00:52:35:16 – 00:52:42:17
Unknown
Just great to be back. It's great to see you and and, great to be back with the Astrology Hub crew.
00:52:42:19 – 00:53:13:01
Unknown
Will we be doing a forecast and, Yeah. Oh, you mean like, like, the forecast, Pamela. That yearly. Yeah. That's happening. Yes. And I have something that I'm percolating on. Gary, I've been wanting to do a live forecast panel event for ever, so I'm like, how do we do this? And I'm thinking that maybe there's some element that is actually live where we can have a live audience and we can have some astrologers there live.
00:53:13:03 – 00:53:46:05
Unknown
And I'm thinking about, coupling it with my book launch party, which, wow. So it would be in the. That's right. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Because I don't think y'all are coming out to Hawaii, although I would love to have you out here. But anyway, yes, I know so I'm just I'm. I think you are, no matter what, we're going to be doing a forecast event, no matter what an element of it will be live streamed and available around the globe and maybe we're going to pull off a live event this year and actually have astrologers in a theater or like a really cool loft space or something.
00:53:46:08 – 00:54:01:13
Unknown
Wow. It's a meet people in person. That would be so cool, right? Yeah, yeah. In any event, I'll see y'all around. Forecast time and navigator later for the, for my inner circle month.
00:54:01:13 – 00:54:09:15
Unknown
You got it. All right, everybody, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for being a part of our community. Thank you, as always, for making astrology a part of your life.
00:54:09:15 – 00:54:27:23
Unknown
I'm so delighted that we get to have these conversations here every single week. It's so fun to know that there's people like you out there who get just as lit up about this as I do as Gary does. So thank you for being here, and thank you for being a part of this entire experience that we all get to have.
00:54:27:23 – 00:54:32:05
Unknown
And I appreciate you. See you soon. Take care. I.