Cosmic Upgrades & Galactic Downloads: What’s Really Happening Now w/ Pam Gregory

 

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00:00 – A Cosmic Conversation Begins
Amanda introduces Pam Gregory and previews the soul-expanding themes of the episode.

00:42 – Pam’s First Encounter with Astrology
Pam shares how a reading from a Jamaican astrologer in Toronto opened her eyes to astrology’s power.

05:19 – Living a Double Life
While rising in the corporate world, Pam hid her passion for astrology—until she couldn’t anymore.

06:30 – Astrology & the Big Transits That Changed Everything
Pluto and Neptune transits catalyzed her transformation from corporate success to soul purpose.

07:21 – Astrology as Empowerment, Not Fate
Pam encourages a shift from “what’s happening to me” to “how can I co-create with the cosmos?”

10:05 – Are Planets Alive?
She discusses the sentient, conscious nature of planets and our co-creative connection with them.

11:09 – The Wonky Triangle: Pluto, Haumea & Sedna
Pam explains a powerful, unusual planetary configuration shaping human evolution.

13:31 – Dwarf Planets as Evolutionary Guides
Pam shares how bodies like Haumea and Sedna hold keys to our quantum and ancestral memory.

20:12 – Galactic Contact is Coming
She predicts an increase in multidimensional and galactic communication with Uranus conjunct Sedna.

48:46 – The Lunar Nodes & Your Soul’s Compass
Pam explains how the North and South Nodes reveal your soul’s path and evolutionary purpose.

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Transcript:

00:00:00:00 – 00:00:28:14

Amanda

I finally had the honor of sitting down with one of the most beloved voices in modern astrology, the incredible astrologer and cosmic visionary, Pam Gregory. Now, any of you familiar with Pam's work already know that Pam has a rare gift. She is ancient wisdom, quantum science and astrology into one breathtaking, soul expanding perspective. And in our conversation, she does not hold back you guys.

 

00:00:28:16 – 00:01:04:15

Amanda

We explore the powerful wonky triangle as she likes to call it, between Pluto, how Maya and Sedna, and why this configuration could signal a dramatic shift in human consciousness. She shares insights into the role of the lunar nodes in your soul's evolution, the rise of light language, galactic contact, and multidimensional awakening. If you've been sensing that something massive is unfolding both within you and around you, this episode will help you name it, navigate it, and consciously participate with it.

 

00:01:04:17 – 00:01:33:20

Amanda

And if you're craving a positive vision to hold on to during these turbulent times, this episode is for you. Get ready. This is more than a podcast. It's a glimpse into the future of humanity, guided by the timeless intelligence of the stars and the beautiful wisdom of a kind, compassionate beryllium legend in our field. So let's dive in.

 

00:01:33:22 – 00:01:42:11

Amanda

Pam, welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. I am so thrilled that this day has finally come.

 

00:01:42:13 – 00:01:47:14

Pam

Thank you Amanda. It's joyful to be with you. Truly it is. Thank you for asking me.

 

00:01:47:16 – 00:02:10:09

Amanda

Pam, we, we survey our audience every year to see who they'd like featured on the podcast as an inner circle astrologer. And every single year, you are nominated in droves. And so it's just such. It's such as a light, I know, for me and for our community. So again, thank you for being here. And because this is your Astrology Hub debut, let's start.

 

00:02:10:11 – 00:02:25:07

Amanda

The way I love to start with anyone who is coming onto the podcast for the first time, which is with your story. How did you become an astrologer? It is definitely not the career path for many people, so it's always an interesting story to see how you got here.

 

00:02:25:09 – 00:02:46:03

Pam

Thank you. Amanda. Yeah, it was, from the age of 16, 17, I, I decided I was going to emigrate to Canada, you know, big skies, mountains, lakes. So the day after university, I got on a plane with $100. And, you know, one no job, nothing. Landed in Toronto, started new life. And within the first week, I joined a yoga class.

 

00:02:46:03 – 00:03:09:06

Pam

And there was a big guy from Jamaica there. And yoga classes are silent, as you know. So. But a couple of girls at the end of the class said, that chap is an astrologer. So I went up to him and I said, look, I know nothing about this, but would you do my chart for me? And I saw him the following week and I gosh, I mean, I remember this like it was yesterday or it was decades ago in his tiny, tiny flat in, in Toronto.

 

00:03:09:08 – 00:03:32:20

Pam

And I spent seven hours with him and it just it just cracked my world open. And this happens so often as we know with with people who that's how they got introduced to astrology. But he went back in my life and gave me specific dates and, and I was just electrified and he disappeared soon after. And I almost thought he was just an Earth angel to reconnect me to this.

 

00:03:32:20 – 00:03:54:16

Pam

But it was interesting because he gave me lots of dates, as astrologers do, going forwards. But through a series of house moves, I lost the tape. And finally, after five years in Canada, the winters got to me and I decided I was going to return to England. So I was clearing my flight up to to fly home to England, and in clearing the flat I found the cassette tape.

 

00:03:54:16 – 00:04:16:09

Pam

That's how long ago this was. I found the cassette tape of the way the the reading had done for me. So I was playing the tape as I was packing boxes and he said, September the 18th, and I think it was 1983 or something like that. September the 18th will be a critical turning point in your life, and within a month you will be at one of the major highs of your life.

 

00:04:16:09 – 00:04:36:08

Pam

And that day was September the 18th, and I was leaving Toronto forever. And a month later I was sitting at 19,000ft in the Himalayas. Oh my trauma. So I thought, you know, there's something in this funny old subject. So from that point on, I hadn't stopped. I mean, I had a kind of regular day job in the corporate world for about 35 years.

 

00:04:36:08 – 00:04:41:22

Pam

But my passion all the way through has has been astrology. I mean, that's what I'm meant to do. I know.

 

00:04:41:24 – 00:04:54:01

Amanda

Oh, yes, I know too. We all know you don't care. It's like when you were in the corporate world, did you talk about your astrology passion? Did people know about it, or were you kind of like in the closet?

 

00:04:54:03 – 00:05:19:09

Pam

In the closet? Because I knew my credibility. And in fact, that gave me the first title, the title of my first book, because I did quite well in the corporate world, you know, promoted to the board quite young. But if ever a client discovered, you know, had the secret passion, they kind of cool me over to a corner and in a kind of conspiratorial whisper, they'd say, now, come on, you don't really believe in astrology, do you?

 

00:05:19:09 – 00:05:39:18

Pam

As if, you know, this was confession time and I need serious therapy. So the the Grand Canyon, between my and growing understanding of astrology and how precious and sacred it was, and the common understanding was just so vast, I thought so that gave me the title of my first book. You don't really believe in astrology, do you?

 

00:05:39:20 – 00:05:46:20

Amanda

It's so good. Pam, how did you decide to just kind of blow it open? What what what precipitated that?

 

00:05:46:22 – 00:06:09:08

Pam

I just felt so hollow and so dead. I mean, I was doing very well, but I just felt so hollow and so dead. And also, I was working. You know, I've always worked very hard, but I was traveling all over the world. I was teaching management people how to make more, more persuasive presentation skills. And once they had you there, they had you there for 11, 12 hours a day because you only had the hotel to go back to.

 

00:06:09:10 – 00:06:26:11

Pam

So although it was going very well on the flight home, I was always thinking, you know, one day I'm going to go pop doing this, and this is not where my heart is. And so that was just that was the pivot point. And, and, you know, I couldn't be more grateful that I had the courage to do that.

 

00:06:26:13 – 00:06:30:20

Amanda

Was there an astrological transit that was correlating with that time?

 

00:06:30:22 – 00:06:41:24

Pam

I think there were huge. There were lots of Pluto transits and and Neptune to the Midheaven. Yes. Lots of very big archetypal stuff. Yeah. For sure. So meant to be divine timing.

 

00:06:42:01 – 00:06:57:01

Amanda

Yes. So you've been witness to astrology for a long time. How have you seen it change what it what are you witnessing in terms of people's openness or interest and and how has that shifted through the years?

 

00:06:57:03 – 00:07:21:21

Pam

I think there's much more interest now. Than there was at the beginning. And it's taken much more seriously now. I think people now need guidance for all kinds of obvious reasons. And because astrology is seen to have some scientific, you know, some astronomical underpinning. Maybe that's why it's it's achieving more credibility at the moment, but also something I feel very strongly in myself.

 

00:07:21:24 – 00:07:52:15

Pam

And I'm, you know, I'm speaking for myself, my own practice here, I think it's moving and I hope it will move much more from what the planet's doing. To me, astrology is fated. I mean, that's why people originally get, you know, give me a reading of what the planets are doing to me. And I personally very much want to change that into, look, this is just modeling clay, what we want to happen in our lives and how how can we use it to the optimum?

 

00:07:52:15 – 00:08:29:02

Pam

Yes, we have a set pattern. It's like, and, you know, metaphor often used that we have this, unique sheet of music and the pattern is set. But what isn't set is how we play the piece of music. That's where our latitude and free will comes in. And I'm very passionate about, free will, that latitude. And so we start if we can start to think about astrology much more strategically, that we all using our prevailing pattern, stepping stones to achieve the dream to a whatever we want to, manifest in our lives.

 

00:08:29:02 – 00:08:43:06

Pam

Then I think that becomes a much healthier relationship because we know with Pluto moving out of Capricorn into Aquarius, we are so aware we've given away all our power to external authorities. And that includes the planets.

 

00:08:43:08 – 00:09:07:18

Amanda

Oh, I love that part. You. I mean, there's a debate about whether or not we can or would even want to transcend our chart. Do you think that we are meant to sort of use that scaffolding of the planetary placements in our chart and then transcend it, or do you think that it's the playing field and we're just meant to maximize it?

 

00:09:07:19 – 00:09:31:08

Pam

Yeah. Great question. And I think also even as part of our social contract that also chose that moment to be born, very specifically to give us that passion and the that parental experience as fertilizer. So I think for me, for me, the pattern is set, but how can we absolutely play that magnificently in our lives? How we can how can we play it to the rafters?

 

00:09:31:10 – 00:09:46:24

Pam

So at the end of our lives, we can think, boy, I couldn't have given that another ounce of joy and love and an effort into creating the best life I could, the best I could possibly be in this lifetime.

 

00:09:47:01 – 00:10:05:19

Amanda

Do you believe the planets are sentient? Do you believe that we're in, like, a a co-creative relationship with sentient beings who are influencing our experience here on, on the planet, but that we're also influencing theirs?

 

00:10:05:21 – 00:10:30:21

Pam

Beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful question. Amanda. Yes, I absolutely do. I think they're, you know, yes, they're lumps of matter. But I think that also probability waves of consciousness that have very specific resonances, you know, going back to the old, harmony of the spheres, they have very specific resonances. And our birth chart interact like music with those resonances.

 

00:10:31:02 – 00:11:00:06

Pam

And so yes, I think it is all one consciousness. I think the whole universe is one consciousness. It is absolutely a co-creation. And the better we can. And that's why is one with the zillion of zillions of reasons why astrology is so helpful. Because if we can understand the language of astrology, we can co-create much more fully than if we're just kind of banging around and rubber hits the road and, you know, another smack from life and you know I'm a loser.

 

00:11:00:12 – 00:11:09:08

Pam

So the better we can understand the language of astrology, the more fully and lovingly we can create a better world. Yeah.

 

00:11:09:10 – 00:11:36:19

Amanda

Okay. We are obviously in a massive point in human history and I've, I've heard you say things like this is a historic moment. This is unprecedented moment. We've never seen things like this in terms of the planetary movement. One of the things that you've emphasized quite a bit, I've heard you talking on other podcasts about is the geometry between Pluto, how Maya and Sedna.

 

00:11:36:21 – 00:12:00:07

Amanda

So I'd love to first get your perspective on the quote unquote dwarf planets and the role that they're playing, because there is definitely some debate within the astrological community about their importance. Right. And so I'd love to hear your thoughts on that, and then talk about how you see that particular geometry offering an invitation and insights into what we're navigating right now.

 

00:12:00:09 – 00:12:21:24

Pam

Yes, I, I'm fascinated by the dwarf planets. And I truly, along with Alan Clay, who runs Dwarf Planet University, as many of you know, really do believe that there are higher octaves of consciousness, because my understanding is that it's only when our consciousness is able to integrate these higher levels that we actually discover them. You know, it's a feedback loop.

 

00:12:22:01 – 00:12:46:01

Pam

And certainly every time Pluto moves into Aquarius, we seem to discover another layer, another further out bit of space in our cosmos. And so, of course, you know, that's what's happening right now. So for me, they are incredibly instructive in terms of where we're headed and what I love about them. And, you know, there are many more to explore.

 

00:12:46:01 – 00:13:31:00

Pam

And Kelly Hunter is doing some fabulous work with this alongside Alan Clay, the two of the real pioneers. I think with this, but what I love about the ones I've investigated so far is that on the one hand, they seem to have a a leading edge understanding of quantum physics and how we manifest. So they're very evolutionary in that sense, but they are very inflationary in terms of getting us to remember ancient wisdom as the indigenous people to go deep into the earth, deep into nature, deep into living in harmony with nature and all of its creatures, and get back to that state of oneness, you know, that sense of harmony with all living beings,

 

00:13:31:00 – 00:13:50:08

Pam

that the indigenous people know so well. So for me that, you know, that's just such a wonderful balance for where I think we're headed as some kind of next generation human. I think that's absolutely where we're at to remember. So much so it isn't just a going forwards, it's a remembering back as well.

 

00:13:50:10 – 00:14:07:23

Amanda

Gosh. And is that because the mythology of the dwarf planet is Earth based? I mean, why why do you think that they're helping us connect with the Earth in deeper ways and oneness and harmony in deeper ways?

 

00:14:08:00 – 00:14:30:04

Pam

Yes. I think, well, many of them are creator gods. And so, you know, if you look at a planet like Homer, she, she's very linked to the Hawaiian goddess of fertility. And then her father goddess aspect, she was said to birth the Sons of Hawaii, but also she could birth babies in the myths from all over her body and change herself.

 

00:14:30:04 – 00:15:02:02

Pam

Renault Crone to a young maiden, which I'm really looking forward to. So she has this completely regenerative, mythology and archetype. And so but she also part of her mythology was when the land was laid waste through very poor agricultural practice. And we see that all over the world right now. She was able through she had a magic stick called the McElroy, and she was able to instantly summon wild food from the land, even though it was desolate and wild food from the seas.

 

00:15:02:04 – 00:15:39:15

Pam

And just looking at her mirror, that tells me that there are ways that we don't have to have decades long slog to turn around the toxicity on on this planet. I believe it's going to be it's somebody wrote to me the other day, and her husband and I don't understand this quantum computing thing, but her husband is involved in quantum computing and almost like homeopathy, he is able to focus his quantum computer on an area of land, and that can be quite a larger area of acreage that is just dust.

 

00:15:39:17 – 00:16:06:10

Pam

You know, it's been using pesticides, etc., and he can regenerate that land to produce a very impressive yield of crops in an incredibly short time. And that instantly takes me to her man and her symbolism. So I think we're going to see inventions. I mean, a lot of the young people are coming up with amazing ways to clear pollution and toxicity, etc., and there's a lot happening with regenerative farming in pockets around the world.

 

00:16:06:12 – 00:16:45:16

Pam

So for me, this shift to a much more fertile earth and understanding of the patterns of nature is going to come back to us much faster than we can ever imagine. It isn't a linear you could do it and be that seed, and it's not. It's quick. And so that is Mia, and you know, if we look at the algebra that link to Dreamtime and the songlines of the Aboriginal people and how they knew that or believe that that reality is dream time is more real than what we currently have here.

 

00:16:45:18 – 00:17:11:05

Pam

And so that's where you create and then you bring it back to you know, this 3D reality that we're currently living in, but very connected to understanding the harmony of, of walking the songlines, relying on nature for natural medicine, that kind of thing. So these, these archetypes are absolutely magical for me. They're really enchanting. And so last year is another one.

 

00:17:11:05 – 00:17:19:11

Pam

So last year in Mrs. Mermaid Energy, she's the wife of Neptune. She's linked to shimmering sunlight, moonlight on the sea. Spell that.

 

00:17:19:11 – 00:17:20:05

Amanda

Pam.

 

00:17:20:07 – 00:17:25:09

Pam

The SLAC I a Celestia.

 

00:17:25:11 – 00:17:29:00

Amanda

These aren't asteroids. These are different than the asteroid belt, right?

 

00:17:29:00 – 00:17:33:10

Pam

They're beyond. Yeah, they're beyond. Largely beyond Pluto.

 

00:17:33:12 – 00:17:35:15

Amanda

Largely on Pluto. Okay.

 

00:17:35:17 – 00:17:40:09

Pam

Yeah, largely beyond Pluto. And Pluto, of course, is also designated as a dwarf planet these days.

 

00:17:40:09 – 00:17:42:01

Amanda

How many do we know of right now?

 

00:17:42:06 – 00:18:17:17

Pam

Oh, I mean, I personally probably only know about 14, 15, but I mean, they're probably thousands that those are consciousness expands. But so lastly, I actually think it's linked to like language. And I've yet to test that out. But that's my theory that if you have it prominent very prominently in your chart or say you're receiving a celestial transit to your mercury, let's say I do want to test out that theory of is that at the time, people start to speak like language because it's all about this high frequency light.

 

00:18:17:19 – 00:18:31:03

Amanda

What is light language for you? I mean, I could because I think of light language as astrology, period. All of what we're doing in astrology is that there's translating the language of light. But I think you mean something even more specific.

 

00:18:31:05 – 00:18:50:06

Pam

Yeah, I mean, that's a beautiful way to say it. And, and I people seem to speak it spontaneously just back, you know, one day they wake up and speak. And for me, it's, it's a, it's a quite a significant shift in consciousness where they're just plugging in to a higher dimension and it just comes completely, fluently. You know, they don't have to do lessons and study a book.

 

00:18:50:10 – 00:19:14:00

Pam

It's just an instant download of a language which from that point on they speak fluently, which is just awesome. Wow. So, you know, there's some very and also they're discovering I just was reading an article in the scientific journal, a couple of days ago about a very high level of neutrinos, which are very unusual, which are coming onto the Earth right now, and they could be very associated.

 

00:19:14:00 – 00:19:47:03

Pam

I think that is high frequency light as well. So I'm in a real process of exploration, and what I love to do is to go down rabbit holes. And luckily, the people who watch my videos seem to enjoy the same rabbit holes as I do, thank goodness. But I just get really interested. Gosh, that's just so fascinating. And what I love to do is plug together, sort of synthesize the scientific with the spiritual, with, you know, different modalities, put a mosaic together where essentially everybody from their different point of view is saying the same thing.

 

00:19:47:03 – 00:20:12:01

Pam

And I think, bingo. But I'm always led initially by the archetypal astrology. You know, you mentioned Pluto, Homer, Sedna and that kind of wonky triangle that we've got right now, I was led to years ago, just looking at those three archetypes by the astrology. And now that appears to be to be manifesting in our world. So I think, wow, you know, isn't astrology amazing?

 

00:20:12:03 – 00:20:16:11

Pam

But I trust the astrology far enough to say I'm going to go with that.

 

00:20:16:13 – 00:20:16:21

Amanda

Wow.

 

00:20:16:21 – 00:20:19:07

Pam

Interesting to see where we learned.

 

00:20:19:09 – 00:20:28:23

Amanda

So you talked about how maybe but we didn't talk about Sedna. So for for people that aren't as familiar with the Sedna mythology, what is the story there and what is it showing us?

 

00:20:29:00 – 00:20:55:14

Pam

Yeah, it's pretty grisly, to be honest. And variations on the myth, but, Sedna is the, the goddess of the deep Arctic oceans, essentially. And she, was very picky about a husband, but eventually she was married off to someone who she thought would be suitable and made her many, many promises. But he turned out, to betray those promises, and she became very unhappy.

 

00:20:55:14 – 00:21:16:00

Pam

So she begged her father to come and rescue her. He came in a canoe, a kayak, and they both set off across the sea. But a big storm blew up. But so in order to save himself, the father through Sedna, out of the kayak, and when she tried to hang on was her fingers, he chopped her fingers off.

 

00:21:16:02 – 00:21:42:00

Pam

Oh my God, she was pretty crazy. So the patriarchy by the husband and the and the father do not come well out of this in terms of can you trust that that male principle of toxic. No. Anyway, she floated down to the deep and of course, she herself drowned. But her fingers became incredibly beautiful. New sea creatures of dolphins and whales and turtles.

 

00:21:42:00 – 00:22:08:15

Pam

So it wasn't just a transformation as suggested by Pluto, it was the complete metamorphosis of state of home, of Sedna. And so she is now. It is said to be kind of guardian of those oceans. And sailors are supposed to ask for safe passage when they cross those perilous Arctic seas. And there was something, I think it was last year during the that submarine that was lost.

 

00:22:08:17 – 00:22:32:02

Pam

Yeah. And so died in it. Yeah. And that was in that that particular area that was just a sudden had moved into Gemini. There was, you know, planets gain potency when they change sign. And so signals mis in particular together with Hermes because of her mark and birth, babies roll with her body and change, you know, revert her age.

 

00:22:32:02 – 00:23:00:18

Pam

Then she is also talking about a change of state. They are both talking about a change of state, a metamorphosis. And Pluto, we know, is a symbol of transformation. So you put those three together and they are going to be in that wonky triangle certainly for the next three years, very tightly. And so that said to me, okay, I have to be alert to what happened, particularly over 2526 when all the outer planets are changing sign as well.

 

00:23:00:18 – 00:23:23:22

Pam

As we know, the Earth is moving through the galactic currency, which only happens every 12,000 years, give or take 500. So there are a lot of big, big cycles happening right now. I have to be very alert to what is happening to humanity's biology as part of this evolutionary leap that I believe we're going through.

 

00:23:23:24 – 00:23:26:00

Amanda

What is the wonky triangle?

 

00:23:26:02 – 00:23:56:05

Pam

Okay, the right the wonky triangle is Pluto is currently just in the early degree or so of Aquarius, right? It was square to, home here in the first couple of degrees of Scorpio. And then we have Sedna right at the beginning of Gemini. Okay. Pluto is trying to Sedna at, Aquarius to Gemini, and Haumea is 150 degrees quincunx to Sedna.

 

00:23:56:07 – 00:24:23:02

Pam

That's why it isn't an equilateral. It isn't a grand trine. It's a it's a wonky triangle. But, but nevertheless, I think it's a very powerful geometry for where we're headed. And of course, Uranus very soon is going to be conjunct Sedna. It moves into Gemini in July, July the 7th, I think. And so that's going to act as an ignition point for whatever this change of state is.

 

00:24:23:02 – 00:24:40:19

Pam

And I believe that some of the ingredients for our change of state is going to come from the Galactics and of course, Uranus. Galactic Gemini communication. I think that we are going to have much more galactic connection communication in whatever form once Uranus becomes conjunct to Sedna.

 

00:24:40:21 – 00:24:46:20

Amanda

Okay, well, first of all, I think we need to make wonky triangle a official aspect that.

 

00:24:46:20 – 00:24:48:01

Pam

We that we study.

 

00:24:48:01 – 00:25:26:10

Amanda

In astrology. I love it. Okay, so let's talk about this galactic peace, because I've also heard you speak about this in other places. And I'd love to just kind of dive in. So I've heard you say, this change of state that you're talking about is going to be one in which our consciousness is expanded, where we have more multi dimensionality abilities to to move beyond or move within and across dimensions, that we will have the capacity to connect more clearly with galactic beings or galactic states.

 

00:25:26:12 – 00:25:49:06

Amanda

Can you talk to us about this? Like what does this mean. And and and I know none of us really know, you know, how exactly it's going to happen, but what do you anticipate? What are you seeing? What are you hearing about that in your, multi dimensionality, in your, multi-modal deep dives and explorations? You know, when you're looking into other, other fields and what they're finding, what are you seeing there?

 

00:25:49:08 – 00:26:09:12

Pam

Okay. Well, firstly, I think we are already galactic beings. That's where we came from. You know, we are already a kind of galactic hybrid. And we consider ourselves as human. But I actually think we're galactic hybrids. And, you know, I've often said that the the iron and our blood and the calcium in our bones comes from stardust.

 

00:26:09:12 – 00:26:35:07

Pam

Even Professor Brian Cox, who's an English professor, he was not a fan of astrology, says that we are made of stardust. So, I just deeply believe in my bones, my calcium bones that that we came from out there. So it isn't just that this is a new thing. We've forgotten we've been blocked. And I've mentioned in other videos that Greg Braden talks about the 24th chromosome coming back online.

 

00:26:35:07 – 00:27:01:14

Pam

Cryan talks about this, that about 200,000 years ago, our chromosomes were, changed so that chromosome two and chromosome seven were spliced together to leave us with 23 chromosomes, which made us more human but less multi-dimensional. So we've been kind of dumbed down, if you like. For a long time, because of the solar flares, we were peak of solar cycle 25.

 

00:27:01:14 – 00:27:28:00

Pam

And they, of course, are encoding these very new light codes. They are acting as in greedy ants for evolution because they're stimulating the DNA to come back online. And already many, many people channel galactic beings. They chant palladium, Andromeda, insult you. And you know, YouTube is full on many of my friends channel, galactic being. So it's not like it's a kind of really weird way up thing.

 

00:27:28:00 – 00:27:58:15

Pam

I think it's quite, quite regular these days. But I had a fascinating discussion just last, last month with a gentleman by the name of Doctor David Clements, who is a very, very humble, sweet, quiet Englishman who was a mainstream theoretical physicist, very much part of academia, specialized in string theory and was, you know, headed that way in a very mainstream, career.

 

00:27:58:17 – 00:28:34:22

Pam

And then he started to b connect, contacted by galactic beings, very high level galactic beings who are now giving him, kind of quantum instructions. They give him download codes to weave with his physics knowledge how to develop and build regenerative devices, which can boost our health, protect us against degenerative emfs, protect us in our home, take us to the still point they've taught him about coming to the, the zero point in your heart.

 

00:28:34:22 – 00:28:58:19

Pam

This infinity point within the heart. He's teaching exquisite meditations now. His life has just completely turned upside down. But he talks, you know, does that all the time. I mean, all the time. Just feeding information to him. So a few years ago, that might have seemed to be really kind of crazy, but he has such authority and gravitas as a theoretical physicist.

 

00:28:58:21 – 00:29:28:18

Pam

You're thinking, well, you know, he's just a forerunner. He's just a pioneer. More and more of us are going to be doing this, and I think probably doing it quite quickly, because he isn't the only person who's teaching this kind of thing about how to connect to, galactic families. So my personal view is because of Uranus in moving into Gemini, it's such an obvious symbolism of communication with the galactic beings that's going to be there from another seven, eight years.

 

00:29:28:20 – 00:29:51:00

Pam

I think this is going to be a surge in galactic contact, whether it just comes through in our dreams or meditations or we start to channel however it happens for each, each of us individually. That is going to be a jump, because with all of those outer planets changing sign in the next 15 months, there's going to be some kind of a jump.

 

00:29:51:00 – 00:30:12:24

Pam

I mean, we all know this. I think as astrologers it isn't just same old, same old. We're not just going, but as astrologers, meteorologists, economists, we always go back to previous cycle and what happened so we can make an intelligent guess as to what's coming up this time. I don't think this is same old, same old. I think this is, you know, we've changed train track.

 

00:30:12:24 – 00:30:25:21

Pam

Now we're at a very different point as a kind of jumping off point for our consciousness. And I think it's going to come in lickety split. I think it's going to come in really quick.

 

00:30:25:23 – 00:30:48:13

Amanda

I don't know about all of you, but when I hear stories about galactic beings communicating, first of all, I think it's so cool that they chose this man. And the kind of information he's getting is perfect for his training. It's perfect for what he studied his whole life. But I always think, well, pick me. Like, can I go, yeah, I want to hear what I hear.

 

00:30:48:15 – 00:31:08:02

Amanda

What would you say for anyone wanting to sort of like, till the soil and create a fertile space for opening up to this kind of communication, are you seeing any sort of, like, consistent pattern in terms of people who do receive this information, or does it seem kind of random?

 

00:31:08:04 – 00:31:31:05

Pam

Well, partly I think it's random. You know, like like language. It just lands with some people, but normally they've got quite a dedicated meditation practice. So, I think this is going to arrive for individuals in perfect timing. So you know it, treat it like a yoga class where each running our own race so it isn't. Gosh, you know, Mary next to me is way ahead of me and I'm really good at it.

 

00:31:31:07 – 00:32:00:13

Pam

We've got to be happy with where we are that it's right for us. But I think also to I have a mantra of we're welcoming in an expanded consciousness of love. And so that sense of spaciousness, expansive expansiveness in your consciousness and every night as I fall asleep, I will set a clear intention that I am open to have my inner energetic pathways taken to the highest place in a way that is perfect for me.

 

00:32:00:15 – 00:32:03:07

Amanda

Amazing. I love that so much. Pam. Okay.

 

00:32:03:09 – 00:32:28:24

Pam

That kind of let you choose your own wording, but that kind of thing. So in your dreams, you interacting with I mean, I've mentioned a couple of years ago I had such a distinct dream and it was at the end of the night, and this section of the dream lasted, I don't know, 30s it was an empty room, and in the dream I'd walked into, and it was all just the only thing in the room was kind of peach pink, sparkly diamond light, and there was a mirror on a wall.

 

00:32:28:24 – 00:32:48:08

Pam

So I walked up to the mirror and I was pure light. I was the light body. I was pure like my eyes were just. I'll never forget. It was so. It wasn't like my normal eyesight was just not good. It was pin sharp. It was kind of third eye. And then I started to levitate. I just lifted,

 

00:32:48:10 – 00:33:08:20

Pam

Then the alarm went off and I said some very rude words because, you know, I wanted that to continue. But it wasn't just a promise for me. It was a promise for everyone. Right? We are headed toward a less density and more light body because, you know, that dream was so distinct, and I'll remember it for the rest of my life.

 

00:33:08:20 – 00:33:13:16

Pam

And it was so compelling. This is the promise for your future, for humanity.

 

00:33:13:18 – 00:33:28:00

Amanda

Pam, why do you think we forget? Why do we, if we're galactic beings and we come from the stars and we have all this capacity within us, why have we been dumbed down? Why have we forgotten from your perspective?

 

00:33:28:02 – 00:33:54:18

Pam

Right. Actually, you know, I think there are certain interests in the world who, you know, I think the world divides into service to self and service to others. And I think there's certain interests in the in the world that are service to self and want to keep control and power, and the way they keep control and power is to keep the population of the world in fear, you know?

 

00:33:54:18 – 00:34:13:18

Pam

So I'm always talking about, oh, here's another big scary thing is another big scary thing. So we mustn't energetically feed the next really big scary thing, because there's just going to be another really big scary thing. We just make it bigger. So coming back to our sovereignty and our own inner power is this is the year to do that.

 

00:34:13:20 – 00:34:39:22

Pam

This is the year to reclaim up. And it doesn't have to be shouty out there with a placard and, you know, waving and banging. It just very quietly takes back all authority to say, I know who I am. I have a clear sense of purpose. I know why I'm here. With this particular set of gifts and abilities, I'm going to connect to other like minded people who are also taking back their power.

 

00:34:39:24 – 00:35:06:17

Pam

And we are going to, in a very Aquarian way, going to create a grassroots movement where there are pockets of freedom, of community, of people coming together to buy land, use food, share resources, you know, and it's it's beautiful because it's happening all over the world. I know it is because people write to me. I'm in a similar group to that myself.

 

00:35:06:17 – 00:35:28:17

Pam

And because people write to me. I contacted a chap a few months ago who arrived at my door, a very young chap, and said, hi, I'm. I'm Chris, I'm Arcturian. So, you know, come on in and, you know, have a cup of tea. Say, this isn't so strange to me, but if we look at the Aquarian model, it is decentralized and grassroots are.

 

00:35:28:19 – 00:35:49:08

Pam

And if it's decentralized and grassroots up, that must mean that we as humanity, as ordinary people on the ground, have stepped back into our sovereignty because we're done with being told what to do. We're just done with all of that hollow shell of the of the toxic patriarchy. I mean, I don't like what I am. I mean, I am.

 

00:35:49:10 – 00:36:16:01

Amanda

I mean, I think been done for a really I mean, I feel we've been dead for a long time. It just it finally feels like things are starting to shift. I, I heard you say one time that you can sometimes be accused of being too positive. What do you say to that? Because, I mean, I personally find it absolutely delightful and and find a very inspiring to be around people who are seeing a brighter future for us.

 

00:36:16:03 – 00:36:20:03

Amanda

But what do you say to that, that sort of critique, I guess it's I could call it.

 

00:36:20:05 – 00:36:45:06

Pam

Yeah, it it's a funny thing because we are only going to create a better world if we are living in that kind of love, joy, peace, compassion. And I think I've created a life for myself now, where I live in a beautiful area of 150mi² of ancient woodland and, you know, open, open land. It's absolutely beautiful, full of wild deer and donkeys and wild, you know, it's beautiful.

 

00:36:45:08 – 00:37:05:15

Pam

And I've created a life where every morning, non-negotiable. I walk in ancient woodland and connect to my favorite trees, and it's up in any weather, actually, in rubber, where, you know, ghastly weather. And I get of the dragonfly stream and up to the. Yeah, I just love, I love all of it. And usually I'm on my own and that's fabulous.

 

00:37:05:15 – 00:37:26:10

Pam

And and then I just sort of come back and work. But within my tiny hamlet, nobody really has a clue what I do. Yeah. I mean, they probably just think I watch Netflix and, you know, which is actually really refreshing because nobody ever asks me what I did. It was fabulous. You know, it's really refreshing not to have any kind of pressure.

 

00:37:26:12 – 00:37:49:24

Pam

And so I've just created this and of course I've got lots of friends, but I've created this bubble where I can dominate my days with love, joy, passion, compassion, gratitude, peace and things. Don't interrupt me too much. People send me stuff all day long. But if I census taking my frequency down, I'll just stop straight away. I will not.

 

00:37:50:01 – 00:38:14:07

Pam

I will not have my frequency taken down because everything cascades from your your frequency, your state of being, everything. That's your start point. And it's quite Buddhist in a way that if you get this right, everything in your reality changes for the better. Everything. Because it's actually it's an inside job. And of course, I couldn't live so easily like this if I was still in the corporate world, commuting to London a thousand miles a week.

 

00:38:14:11 – 00:38:40:13

Pam

Stress how deadly. You know, it would be much, much harder. So people can say, well, it's all right for you, Jack. But yes, but I created, you know, this lifestyle over some years, but my focus is 100% on my inner state of being. And I will therefore milk little simple things almost in a childlike way. I mean, we're almost this long, long winter here in the UK.

 

00:38:40:19 – 00:39:09:00

Pam

We're almost into spring. And I was out this morning. You can just start to feel the electricity of the new leaves coming and the woodpeckers building his nest, and the birds are singing, and I'm like a three year old thinking, wow, this is just so beautiful. You can feel the life force coming through nature. And to keep that sense of wonder and awe, I think keeps me in a very positive state, you know, brings me to tears sometimes.

 

00:39:09:00 – 00:39:31:24

Pam

And I can sit on the bank of the river and, you know, watch, watch the birds humming and it's just in the dragonflies. In the summer, a stream near me is a one of the principal streams for dragonflies in Europe. And, you know, that's just magical. So I think I try and just keep this very simple, magical state.

 

00:39:32:01 – 00:39:55:05

Pam

And therefore, my day to day reality is pretty peaceful. But I, I mean, life has not been easy. I don't think I was born with a silver spoon in life. And it's because it hasn't been easy that I've worked so hard to cultivate or remember these very simple principles, because it was very difficult for many years, which, you know, it's not relevant.

 

00:39:55:05 – 00:40:11:08

Pam

I won't go into now, but, you know, wisdom doesn't come through easy. It comes through challenge. I mean, there's just all that. But the idea that your inner reality commit to outer reality is just a mirror. I am absolutely passionate about.

 

00:40:11:10 – 00:40:26:01

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00:40:26:01 – 00:40:39:04

Annie

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00:40:39:06 – 00:41:01:23

Amanda

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00:41:02:00 – 00:41:27:18

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00:41:27:20 – 00:41:33:13

Amanda

What do you say to people who say, well, what about all the suffering? And you know, that's always and there's always the rebuttal.

 

00:41:33:15 – 00:41:55:12

Pam

It's horrendous. And you know that by the grace of go, go, you and I, I mean, we could live in Palestine. We could live in the Carolina, in the northern, you know, terrible extreme weather. So, you know, those are horrific things. And there's absolutely no doubt that atrocities are happening all over the world. And I'm often asked that.

 

00:41:55:14 – 00:42:20:03

Pam

So but two answers to that really. Firstly, if I well, firstly, don't mess my heart with great compassion. I think that does that for a lot of people. And I have a nightly free meditation now for 15 minutes, and we just pour love and peace and compassion into those extreme situations. So at least I can do that. I can facilitate that.

 

00:42:20:05 – 00:42:43:02

Pam

But if I go into the horror, if I go into completely losing myself in the horror of that, I'm not going to help me. I'm not going to help the people on the ground. I'm not going to help the collective frequency. I'm not going to help anything. And I can get quite quickly into a default, into the awful despair and where lost and there's no hope.

 

00:42:43:02 – 00:43:02:05

Pam

I could do that very easily. But I, you know, I can't allow myself to do that because then I'm no use to anybody. So and then I think, well, practically what can I do? I mean, it's very difficult to go out there to deliver aid on the ground. The whole aid convoy was murdered recently trying to get aid into Palestine.

 

00:43:02:07 – 00:43:28:16

Pam

I think it's very hard to get money often to the people on the ground, because it's kind of filtered off into admin, you know, wherever it disappears to. So what can I do? What can I do? Well, luckily I've got a sizable following so I can organize all for free at home. You know, I can organize that following to say at this time every night, your particular time zone for 15 minutes longer, if you like.

 

00:43:28:16 – 00:43:52:01

Pam

We are going to focus on love and peace and compassion to people in horrific, extreme circumstances all over the world that I can do. And so can everybody. Actually, everybody can do that. And if you look at the world too, then McTaggart, with all the evidence she has about mass meditation, we can all do that. So then I feel empowered and helped to empower other people.

 

00:43:52:03 – 00:43:53:20

Pam

Let's go do that.

 

00:43:53:22 – 00:44:19:09

Amanda

I got Pam is so good. So is basically that question. And people we can all ask ourselves, what is mine to do? What is what is mine to contribute here? You know, and and you're right, not everybody is suited to address the issues the same way. And so it's really what am I designed to do? What have I built in my life that can be a vehicle to to help?

 

00:44:19:09 – 00:44:49:15

Amanda

And what do I need to do to stay in a state where I am capable of being of service? Right. Because like you said, if we just allow ourselves to go down in it, then I always think of the ocean because, you know, I live in Hawaii and the surf culture is very strong. And there's now, you know, jet skis that help surfers get on the waves that we could have never ridden before because they were just way too big and no one would be able to paddle into them.

 

00:44:49:17 – 00:45:08:04

Amanda

So now they use the jet skis for places like jaws, that have these massive, massive waves. And so these surfers are defying what was previously thought possible. Right. And this I'm hearing you say a lot of this today. There there's going to be things that happen. It's not linear. We're going to find solutions that help us make quantum leap.

 

00:45:08:04 – 00:45:31:10

Amanda

So I'm giving an analogy with what happened with surfing. Anyways, I think about the fact that there's the ones on the jet skis who are there to help the surfers, should they tumble and fall into the huge, waves that would be life threatening, that they would lose their lives most of the time or be very injured? And so the ones on the jet ski have to stay strong.

 

00:45:31:11 – 00:46:08:09

Amanda

They're there to actually pick up the ones who are in the huge whitewater and so when we are in a situation, like you said, you're in nature, you're in this beautiful setting. You've set up your life so that you can be of service in this way. It's almost like your responsibility to maintain that strength, to maintain that capability, to go in on the jet ski and help the people that are in the whitewater, and in this case, by organizing meditations and, and and keeping the frequency high and doing these things that we know over time shift the entire planet so that those kinds of situations aren't happening anymore.

 

00:46:08:11 – 00:46:27:12

Pam

Like, absolutely, absolutely. And I've often said we need to get to a state of consciousness where war is unthinkable killing a human being, killing, and the being some think about, that's where we need to get to. And I know we can go through timeline jumps to do that. And thank you for reminding me, Amanda, because yes, I do.

 

00:46:27:15 – 00:46:50:10

Pam

I have a great sense of spiritual, responsible putting in what I put out there, because if I feel people are not going to be better at the end of my video than when we started, I won't put it out. I have to leave pet people better than I found them to do that. Yes. Otherwise I'm. You're not going to put it out because.

 

00:46:50:12 – 00:47:05:05

Pam

Because it's all about frequency and energy at the end of the day. And it's all about frequency and energy. And, you know, I just caveat I do want to say, obviously, if you've been through a bereavement or you've been caught up in some of these horrors personally, you have to honor that. You know, you've got a process that honors that.

 

00:47:05:05 – 00:47:20:03

Pam

But just in general, these are the kind of principles I stick to. And yet I do feel a huge responsibility if I'm going to be out there in public view, I'm going to make it positive and worthwhile. Otherwise, I'll just go for another walk in the woods, right?

 

00:47:20:09 – 00:47:43:08

Amanda

Well, and let it. When people are going through really it's not we all go there, we all go through hard times. So so the knowing that there are people holding you, like even people you don't know, there are strangers holding you there. They're sending you love. They're holding you in compassion. They're they're there. It's like sometimes we're the surfer who needs the help, and sometimes we're the one on the jetski, right?

 

00:47:43:10 – 00:48:03:19

Amanda

So I love what you're saying, Pam, because I think if we all lived our life this way, you know, did I leave that person that I just checked out at the grocery store a little better, or did I leave that person a little worse? You know, and really just having that honest reflection of what we're contributing in our little corner of the world.

 

00:48:03:21 – 00:48:05:11

Amanda

And I just.

 

00:48:05:13 – 00:48:26:19

Pam

You know, a good, really cheesy phrase, really cheesy, be a smile millionaire, not a millionaire because it costs nothing and it just lists people a little bit. Does it all your little interactions at the grocery store with a neighbor, whatever. You know, it's just a free thing. And it really does help people's frequency lift a little.

 

00:48:26:23 – 00:48:46:15

Amanda

Yeah. Yes. Okay. So we've I feel we've I mean, we could talk about the current state and the Age of Aquarius and like, you know, we could talk about these forever and you've done a lot of amazing videos on them. So I encourage everybody to go check out Pam Gregory's YouTube channel if you haven't already, because wow, just a wealth of amazingness there.

 

00:48:46:17 – 00:49:07:11

Amanda

I'd love though, to shift a little bit and talk about the lunar nodes, because I know that you are very passionate about their role in our lives and how they impact our evolution. And so I'd love to just hear you speak about this a little bit as well and share your perspective with the with our community. Yeah.

 

00:49:07:11 – 00:49:26:02

Pam

Thank you. Amanda. You know, I don't know how it was for you, but for me, when I was initially studying astrology, really, the notes were barely talked about in Western tropical astrology. You know, I didn't learn anything. There weren't any classes on them. We didn't have any exams on the on the lunar nodes. It just kind of passed me by.

 

00:49:26:02 – 00:49:47:22

Pam

Was obviously in Vedic, in Indian astrology, they are the most dominant thing. So a few years ago I started to get really interested in them and boy did that take me on a deep dive that really took me on a deep dive because that's my second book, How to Co-create Using the Secret Language of the universe, which I feel to be the nodal axis.

 

00:49:47:24 – 00:50:10:24

Pam

And that's a work book, so you can work with your own chart with the book. And so it really did take me on a deep dive because I started to almost see the birth chart as I was writing that book morphs from a circle to a kind of teardrop shape, and the pointy bit was the North Node.

 

00:50:10:24 – 00:50:38:17

Pam

Your compass, needle and everything else in the chart became the cavalry backing up your North Node. Because for those who aren't familiar, the the the nodal axis is created by, the orbit of the moon. It's like, I don't know if you're old enough to remember the old fashioned sewing machines. That kind of. Bob DeLong. The the moon's orbit goes through, cut to the ecliptic north and south and like an old fashioned bobbin sewing machine.

 

00:50:38:17 – 00:50:59:24

Pam

So the South Node brings forward in your life the the skills, the gifts that you've mastered in previous lifetimes. And they're not to be dismissed. The they're still there as familiar gifts to be integrated into this life. But the virgin territory where we are supposed to head to to to achieve soul satisfaction in this life, is your North Node.

 

00:50:59:24 – 00:51:21:21

Pam

That's your compass needle. And so I was actually writing this while I was going through an inverse nodal return, which is when the transiting North Node comes to your South node. That's a time where mystical stuff can come up in a very big way. It's a time when a lot of past life material can start to come in poetic.

 

00:51:21:21 – 00:51:43:23

Pam

Usually, if there's any past life issues that is leaking into this life and causing problems in this life, and it was a whole it could be a brilliant movie, actually, but it was all connected to a past life as a cast on perfecter. And what happened in that lifetime and where a very large number of people, 800 people, were massacred.

 

00:51:43:23 – 00:52:02:18

Pam

And that's exactly on the patch of land where I bought a franchise. I mean, like exactly on the same field. Whoa. Yeah. So a long, long story. So I won't go into that again. Not. But anyway, so it can bring up a lot of past life issues. It can bring people into your life, from past little parallel lives.

 

00:52:02:18 – 00:52:27:22

Pam

However you're viewing it. And so there's a sense of fate. There's a sense of destiny about your nodal axis. But the important thing is see your North Node by sign and by house as your compass needle. It's virgin territory and therefore can feel unfamiliar and, a little uncomfortable. You want to lapsed back to the South Node because that's really cozy and you've done it before.

 

00:52:27:24 – 00:52:49:17

Pam

But this operates at the soul level rather than the personality level. You've got ahead for your North Node to really achieve satisfaction. And so, for instance, my North Node is in Aquarius. Hey presto, I do something weird astrology ruled by Aquarius and it's in the third house. So I speak, you know, and I've got Mercury on the world axis at one degree.

 

00:52:49:17 – 00:53:19:17

Pam

There is. So, you know, so that's how you start to see all of the other planets as the backup. And I just don't know what kind of deep rabbit hole I went down in writing that book, because it took me on a very deep dive. So it isn't just about seeing where that falls in your birth chart. You can then start to look at things like, okay, the transiting North Node, which has an 18.6 year cycle, is going around all the time.

 

00:53:19:19 – 00:53:52:05

Pam

What does that mean for you in your birth chart? So for instance, when you are going through a nodal return, which means that every 18.6 years after your birth, you will be having a transiting North Node coming back to your natal North Node. So that's going to happen at the ages of of 18, 37, 55, 74. And that's when you feel, absolutely on track with My soul's mission.

 

00:53:52:07 – 00:54:26:05

Pam

This is I feel on purpose. Everything is very clear, I feel aligned, opportunities are coming in great times. When you have that nodal return. Really great times of it's so clear where I'm meant to go. And then at each square point. So when the transiting, North Node comes to 90 degrees to your natal nodal axis, there's no times when they're crossroads very often and all of these things are happening at the soul level of the individual.

 

00:54:26:07 – 00:54:39:19

Pam

So that's like a crossroads where you feel the, the life lived up to now is becoming a bit hollow and stale. You're getting around the hamster wheel and, you know, you've got to break new ground to get more sales growth.

 

00:54:39:21 – 00:54:44:24

Amanda

So how many years after the the nodal return is that is that going to be.

 

00:54:45:01 – 00:55:04:24

Pam

The quarter point is going to be, every four and a half years after that. So to give you the ages and the age of four when you wouldn't really care, 13 2332 4151 6069 because you've got the waning square and the waxing square.

 

00:55:05:01 – 00:55:06:09

Amanda

It's okay.

 

00:55:06:11 – 00:55:32:16

Pam

And then the inverse nodal return is when the transiting north Node comes to conjunct your natal South node that is really mystical. That is really mystical. And that's when a lot of the past life connections can come up. And that feels like a big closure. Closure in this life. End of an episode. It's the closure of the deep past.

 

00:55:32:16 – 00:55:55:06

Pam

And by that I mean past life issues, which, again, could be affecting this life. And it feels like the The fool in the tarot where you just kind of stepping off the cliff edge and saying, I don't know where I'm going from this point on, but I closed off all this was being because it's just dead in terms of it's no longer fertile ground for my sales growth.

 

00:55:55:08 – 00:56:23:20

Pam

That happens at the age of nine, 27, 46, 65, and 83. And in each of these, the nodal return and the inverse narrative last about a year, although they're only exact for about a month when it's, you know, the transiting node comes onto your North node, your south node, the feeling lasts for about a year, six months applying six months, separating at a soul level.

 

00:56:23:20 – 00:56:54:00

Pam

There's a kind of rumbling thing. The soul level of something has to change, and these are really big life pivot points. I have to say, you know, I got married at my nodal return, I got divorced my next door to yeah. And both were good things to do at the time. So, you know, it isn't that the the deep and the soul based, but they actually form incredibly powerful pivot points in your life because they affect your whole state of being.

 

00:56:54:00 – 00:56:54:23

Pam

Really.

 

00:56:55:00 – 00:57:13:12

Amanda

Are these the kind of things that kind of happen whether you want them to or not, or are they ones that you need to sort of be aware of and, and make choices around, like make choices for your evolution? Or is it the kind of Uranian thing where it comes in and everything changes, and you didn't really have a say in it?

 

00:57:13:14 – 00:57:36:24

Pam

Yeah, really good question. There's a much greater sense. For me, I think, of fate and destiny with the nodal transits than with most of the planetary transits. So I might exclude Pluto. There because Pluto is pretty cited. But but I think there's a much greater sense of fate and destiny. However, the choice is still up to you.

 

00:57:36:24 – 00:57:48:13

Pam

You know, if it's if it's a nodal square or you still going to stay in that dead marriage, your choice. But the marriage being dead is really, really clear.

 

00:57:48:15 – 00:58:00:13

Amanda

Okay. Interesting. So on my nodal return I started astrology had a bomb. Yes. And so I'm just finishing up the nodal reverse though.

 

00:58:00:15 – 00:58:01:04

Pam

Right.

 

00:58:01:06 – 00:58:27:04

Amanda

Yes. So this is an interesting moment. And I'm definitely seeing past life weavings coming into this dimension every ality that I'm aware of right now. So it's that's an interesting thing. And what I love about this, these kind of I think of them as almost like a life cycle transits, meaning we're all going to go through these gates, we're all going to go through these thresholds.

 

00:58:27:06 – 00:58:42:03

Amanda

And it there's these there's like nature's built in rites of passage. And so I love even just knowing that. Okay. I think you said 55 I'll have another nodal return.

 

00:58:42:05 – 00:58:42:23

Pam

Yeah.

 

00:58:43:00 – 00:59:03:13

Amanda

Yeah. So it's it's exciting to think about okay, what can I be doing now to set myself up for a really amazing like catapult in experience, you know, a big evolutionary leap, just knowing that that's going to come, you know, when I'm 55, I'm 47 now. So,

 

00:59:03:15 – 00:59:30:00

Pam

Yeah. Beautifully said. Yeah, totally, said Amanda. Because yeah, they are major choice points and whatever you're doing, your next load or nodal return will take you to the next episode. But again, spiral upwards versus setting up astrology. Help it. All right, I will upwards. And it's really exciting. But if you look at it in terms of the house and the sign and, and then look at the rest of your chart and say, okay, what else resonate to that?

 

00:59:30:03 – 00:59:37:01

Pam

And you know, if, if, if that's in your 10th house for you isn't your 10th house.

 

00:59:37:03 – 00:59:42:18

Amanda

And this is another question, which house system do you use for this? Because depending on the house system is either in my eighth or my seventh.

 

00:59:42:24 – 00:59:47:23

Pam

Okay. Sounds like it's in your eighth, doesn't it? Spiritually, spirituality.

 

00:59:48:00 – 00:59:57:22

Amanda

That that one is the one that resonates the most. It's so it's it's, North Node in Libra, right? I also have Pluto in Libra in nature.

 

00:59:57:24 – 01:00:12:07

Pam

Okay. So it's the go between. And you are a master, a Pluto. You're an authority in that field, in the field of spirituality. That's how I would read that. And you're the Go-Between, aren't you? Between the audience and the person you're interviewing.

 

01:00:12:09 – 01:00:13:19

Amanda

You go between for sure.

 

01:00:13:21 – 01:00:36:08

Pam

Yes, yes. So it's fascinating, but, you know, for instance, mine is in my my third in Aquarius, as I say. So with Aquarius, I'd look to Uranus, its ruler. What's that doing? Is that strong in the chart? It's very strong in the chart. It's the third house. So do I look to Mercury and see the condition of Mercury to reinforce that third house ness?

 

01:00:36:10 – 01:00:53:17

Pam

So I use Placidus. I always use Placidus. I find that the most reliable. But you start to, you know, you start to use the numerical alphabet of, of astrology to find your reinforcements, if I'm making sense, you know, so yeah. It's. That make sense?

 

01:00:53:22 – 01:00:54:16

Amanda

Yes, yes.

 

01:00:54:20 – 01:00:57:00

Pam

So Proximus, you know.

 

01:00:57:06 – 01:01:12:04

Amanda

Yeah. We have a North node that North Node placement is is a sign in a house. Well that the the house is ruled by something. So we look to that as a reinforcement of that North Node.

 

01:01:12:06 – 01:01:12:18

Pam

Correct.

 

01:01:12:18 – 01:01:26:18

Amanda

The if there's the it's in a sign that sign is ruled by something. So you look at that placement as a reinforcement and then you look at any significant aspects to that North Node. Yes.

 

01:01:26:20 – 01:01:29:14

Pam

Totally. That is exactly what my book is about.

 

01:01:29:19 – 01:01:31:24

Amanda

Okay. Great. Great. So I think.

 

01:01:32:01 – 01:01:46:08

Pam

Exactly because I wanted to do something exactly that, that thought process, I wanted to take people from pretty much zero knowing nothing about the nodal axis, throw the ball a very long way to take them deep.

 

01:01:46:10 – 01:01:59:17

Amanda

I like that, I like that, I mean, one of the first books I read, God, what is it called? I feel like it's a book that a lot of people have read about the lunar nodes. And it was. So this was in the beginning of my astrological journey. Jan Spiller.

 

01:01:59:19 – 01:02:00:24

Pam

Yes. Very good.

 

01:02:01:03 – 01:02:02:07

Amanda

What's that book called?

 

01:02:02:09 – 01:02:04:06

Pam

Do you remember? It was a great book.

 

01:02:04:08 – 01:02:28:14

Amanda

Something about evolution, I think. Anyways, I remember being so humbled reading about my South Node in Aries. I just it felt like someone was able to see through to like, all these blind spots that that I didn't want to acknowledge about myself, but like the thing where I can just like put blinders on and just go and kind of bulldoze my way, I was like, oh, oops.

 

01:02:28:14 – 01:02:30:20

Amanda

Yeah, that's that's quite there.

 

01:02:30:24 – 01:02:44:07

Pam

You're typing existential astrology. You have you're a leader. You said. So. It isn't that you dismiss your Aries South Node, right? You incorporate it, but in a more, probably more harmonious way because, you know, it's not even in in Libra.

 

01:02:44:09 – 01:03:09:01

Amanda

Exactly. The awareness of that South Node enabled me to be aware of those tendencies. That might be the more shadow aspects of Aries. Right? And yes, and it was such a, like you're saying, such a confirmation of the power of astrology because I just went, oh my God, like, this is so right on. This feels so resonant. And I love that you don't actually have to know your birth information.

 

01:03:09:01 – 01:03:25:20

Amanda

You don't have to know the details. It is an easy, easier entry point because of that, especially for our friends that don't have their birth times. I always feel like, you know, they can sometimes feel left out of the party because they don't know the birth time, and maybe they've exhausted their options, but I love that there's this is such a powerful tool.

 

01:03:25:20 – 01:03:30:06

Amanda

So your book, how do people get that book and the workbook?

 

01:03:30:08 – 01:04:00:05

Pam

Yeah, it's all in that book. It's all how to co-create using the secret language of astrology. So very easy to find online. There are lots of sellers across the world. So you go and you can download freebies, jumps on my website and and off you go. But but something else that might be helpful for people. Amanda and you and I were talking about it, you know, when we had our first contact a while ago, the first conversation and something that I really found works incredibly powerfully in Synastry is the nodal axis.

 

01:04:00:07 – 01:04:20:12

Pam

I'm just like super glue. Just like super glue, even when there's nothing else that connects. So often I've worked with couples who are crazily in love and they've been together, you know, for many, many years. And you go through the normal synastry grid of how do the Suns link up in the Mercury's and the moon's and, you know, you go through all of that stuff and it's just nothing.

 

01:04:20:14 – 01:04:41:17

Pam

You know, one of the first things I look at now is the connection to the nodal axis. Because if somebody's planets or conjunct the other's nodal axis all the other way around, that is an indicator of past life connection. And it's like super glue this deep sense of familiarity of I have known you for a thousand years.

 

01:04:41:19 – 01:05:08:23

Amanda

Okay, so is the design of that or the intelligence behind that. So bringing people into our lives where we have these, these very karmic connection points, right. And past life connection points, is it brought into our life to help us, to encourage us to sort of iron out some of the potential, like knots that we might have with this person energetically from other timelines?

 

01:05:09:00 – 01:05:11:02

Amanda

What's the function of it?

 

01:05:11:04 – 01:05:30:08

Pam

Yeah. Great question again. I absolutely believe that's true. I mean, I know that in my own experience because when I first met my husband, it was actually at a meeting at work. He was the new chief executive and I was head of department. And apparently he looked across the table at me and said to himself, that's the woman I'm going to marry.

 

01:05:30:08 – 01:05:55:02

Pam

And we haven't even spoken. And I absolutely know, I know of two of the past lives we had together. So the dance goes on. It's that sense of destiny and fate. The dance goes on. And for sure they were things to on out. Absolutely. So yes, yes. So we reincarnate until that particular episode with that, with that, so is is complete, as it were.

 

01:05:55:02 – 01:05:55:18

Pam

And is it with.

 

01:05:55:18 – 01:06:23:07

Amanda

A specific soul or is it within an energetic pattern meaning let's say let's say your husband came into your life and you had this, this connection and you had you had decided not to marry him or get involved with him. Would that pattern have shown up for you through a different character? You know what I'm saying? Like, is it a pattern that exists or is it specific to a individual soul?

 

01:06:23:09 – 01:06:49:00

Pam

Yeah, that's a really fabulous because I don't know the answer to that. My sense is it's the individual mind, but that's just my sense. But you may well be right that it could be the pattern. It could be the energetic pattern that's that's playing out. And so yeah, this is this is really fascinating because you can also start to look at and it gives you a very good clue of what the past life connection was.

 

01:06:49:02 – 01:07:11:24

Pam

Say, if somebody's Venus, your partner's Venus, your potential partner's means is on your South Node. I would read that as being lovers or spouses in the past life have seen that so strongly in in partner's chart. Not my own. But you know other people I've looked at. So and again that's like super glue and it brings them together.

 

01:07:11:24 – 01:07:33:20

Pam

Even if there's a like a 30 year age gap or something like that, you know, they were lovers and they've come back again. The dance goes on. And if it's Saturn, and say it's your daughter, is your daughter Saturn on your South node? Was your daughter your father in a past life? And she's quite moralistic and disciplined.

 

01:07:33:20 – 01:07:56:03

Pam

And so you can enrich the relationship with your children if you've got those nodal connections, which very often families have, because you've already an alternate in the family group. Right. I often talk about a dear friend of mine. My moon, which is a two of Pisces, is conjunct his South Node, and I absolutely know I was his mother in a past life.

 

01:07:56:03 – 01:08:17:00

Pam

In a very poor life in Ireland. He feels it too. He works in credit card processing. Yes. No interest, zero interest in any of this stuff. But we have a deep sense of connection, I am sure, because of that past life. And he's, you know, he's like a younger brother to me almost translates to the practical world because I have no earth in my chart.

 

01:08:17:02 – 01:08:38:06

Pam

So these connections are very strong. And so often you look to the nodal axis to understand, you know, astrology can only take us so far. And then you have to ask your dreams, your meditations to, to take you further in understanding that relationship. But they can really enrich your understanding, particularly if it's a slightly challenging relationship.

 

01:08:38:08 – 01:08:41:04

Pam

They can have your understanding of what's going on.

 

01:08:41:06 – 01:08:48:20

Amanda

Is there a risk of us getting stuck in this, like, hamster wheel of just repeating these things over and over and possibly.

 

01:08:48:20 – 01:09:09:24

Pam

But I think the awareness helps you break out of it, actually, yeah. Like anything, once you've brought something to consciousness, you can observe it and do something with it and release it. So yeah, I think it's more, you know, say if your daughter did have her Saturn on your South Node, and she was kind of quite irritating because she'd keep kind of organizing you and telling you what to do.

 

01:09:10:05 – 01:09:32:02

Pam

That could be extremely irritating. But if you really understood she was your father, that gives you much more compassion and understanding of that, of where she's coming from and seeing that pattern play out. So I actually think it's a really helpful thing to do. I ran a forum for a little while couple of years after I'd launched the book, and Unjust People loved poured out their stories.

 

01:09:32:02 – 01:09:38:12

Pam

Well, you know, their loved ones connections. It was fascinating. So it's an interesting aspect of the nodal axis, I think.

 

01:09:38:18 – 01:10:06:03

Amanda

Yes. Okay. So good. Another deep dive for any of you interested to go down, Pam, let's bring this back. We've been doing a legends series at astrology have where I'm just so it's the it's the Capricorn sun and me just so, keen to preserve some of the wisdom of some of our incredible wisdom keepers here in the astrology community.

 

01:10:06:05 – 01:10:27:20

Amanda

You to me, are just talking about a pioneer, a someone to me that feels on the fore front of where astrology is going. So I would love to ask you what you're seeing in terms of astrology. Do you feel just like us as individuals are? We're on the verge of a change of state, and we're in the process of a change of state.

 

01:10:28:01 – 01:10:34:19

Amanda

Do you also think astrology is at that edge and where do you see it going?

 

01:10:34:21 – 01:10:59:04

Pam

Yeah, fabulous. Not sure I have any great answers. Yeah. That's fabulous. Yes, I absolutely do. I think astrology is going to change greatly, in the coming years, partly because, you know, we're moving away from this external authority reference and taking back our sovereignty from the planets as well. So I think this sense of fated ness and destiny and planets doing things to you is it's going to move away.

 

01:10:59:04 – 01:11:25:08

Pam

And I would really encourage that, as well, to feel sovereign. I think we, with our greater understanding of deep space, because I think it'll go beyond the Kuiper Belt with our stronger telescopes and all greater understanding of the cosmos, I think we will develop a much bigger understanding of the cosmos than we have ever had before. And it's interesting.

 

01:11:25:08 – 01:12:10:08

Pam

I'm speaking to Doctor David Clements again next week, in fact, and I'm going to ask his his galactic team, through him, because he's got all those connections and he understands theoretical physics, how astrology actually works in that understanding what the planets actually are in terms of probability, waves of consciousness and frequency, etcetera. Right. And I think we could start to see the entire universe, the entire cosmos as one piece of music, as one piece of harmony, and each of us is a fractal of the divine is either in harmony or discordant, with that.

 

01:12:10:10 – 01:12:43:18

Pam

But the more we can become in harmony through meditation, through breathwork, whatever getting internal sense of physiological harmony, the more we can plug in to that universal harmony and the whole thing will start to hum, and then I'll co-create and could go in leaps and bounds as we're working together, collaborating collaboratively, Aquarian energy in groups, magnetizing the magnifying the energy to create an incredibly beautiful world which we've never had before to such an extent.

 

01:12:43:20 – 01:13:16:11

Pam

And we're doing it together. We're holding hands and holding hearts and doing it together. So I see astrology as being useful is giving us the sheet of music that's our unique gift to plug in to this Aquarian model. But then we all come together and we hum, we harmonize, we hum. And so I'm I've still got ELP late on with all of this, you know, just at the very beginning of what I think is the next episode for humanity with astrology and many things actually.

 

01:13:16:11 – 01:13:38:16

Pam

But with astrology, I think there's a giant leap. We we are going to, you know, because if you if you go back to one of the times when Pluto was last in Aquarius, that was 1543 and Copernicus published publishing his heliocentric theory of the Earth goes around the sun. You know, that was paradigm shattering. We are now in paradigm shattering times and I'm just at the beginning of where that could lead us.

 

01:13:38:16 – 01:13:50:05

Pam

And I don't have a scientific background. I mean that people way, way smarter than me who can understand all this stuff. But I do think we are on the edge of a much greater understanding of our consciousness. Yeah. Wow.

 

01:13:50:07 – 01:13:52:01

Amanda

That's so exciting.

 

01:13:52:03 – 01:13:53:15

Pam

That.

 

01:13:53:17 – 01:14:14:13

Amanda

I love it, I love it. I keep thinking, I this might have been obvious to other people, but for me, my love actually, who I have a notable reverse with. So. Okay, there we go. Oh, reverse. And, he's not an astrologer and he's not, you know, super versed in the language, although he is always appreciated it deeply.

 

01:14:14:15 – 01:14:22:23

Amanda

But he looked at the glyph for Aquarius. I showed him the glyph for Aquarius, and he goes, oh, coherent frequency anyway. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

 

01:14:23:00 – 01:14:24:21

Pam

Actually that's.

 

01:14:24:21 – 01:15:04:17

Amanda

It. And so when you're talking about, being in, discord or in being in alignment, what was the word to use? Discord or harmony? Harmony, harmony with, with our sheet of music individually and then with each other collectively that just feel so Aquarian. It's like, well, yes. Yes, exactly. Okay, Pam, for for our community out there who is interested in potentially practicing astrology or becoming astrologers, do you have any guidance for budding upcoming new astrologers to the field?

 

01:15:04:21 – 01:15:37:22

Pam

Well, follow astrology Hub for a start. Oh thank you astrology helping Amanda because you have some, you know, fabulous interviews and absolutely five star astrologers really, really recommend that. And you know, there's some very good content on YouTube, really good content. I think the Astrology University has some good content, you know, very good astrologers. But I would find someone, an astrologer on YouTube because that's also so free as well that you resonate with, because if you resonate, then it's easier for you to learn from that person.

 

01:15:37:24 – 01:16:02:23

Pam

But I would really recommend studying astrology as a structured language because it is a language, isn't it? Amanda? So rather than just picking up, you know, separate pieces of information, you actually have a structured journey. Because that other bits, you know, other ones, the bits of the grammar that you might be missing. So, but you have a very full, very full plate in terms of offering people that.

 

01:16:03:00 – 01:16:25:15

Pam

So yeah, just be consistent. Use your own birth chart as the model and and stick stick with it because it is it will enrich your life. I don't know why my what my life would have been without astrology. It would have been so much less. It's it's been profoundly enriching in a way I couldn't possibly have imagined if I hadn't followed this course.

 

01:16:25:17 – 01:16:56:23

Amanda

One of the things that makes me so just. I just delight in, I revel in, is experiencing your enthusiasm for this after so many years, there's still this childlike enthusiasm to continue exploring, to continue expanding. I can't think of that many other fields where, you know, and maybe I need to do a bunch of interviews in other fields to find people like this.

 

01:16:56:23 – 01:17:17:16

Amanda

But when I first started interviewing astrologers, I went, oh my God, they're still so in love with this. They're still so, so, you know, enthused about this. Like, that's a good indicator that there's a lot here for all of us to continue going down this path. And continue to feel rewarded for that exploration and for it to just keep growing.

 

01:17:17:16 – 01:17:20:11

Amanda

It's like it's like the honeymoon that never ends.

 

01:17:20:13 – 01:17:46:14

Pam

Absolutely. And that's the thing it because we're all still students, I learn something new every day. I don't know if you doing that. I learned every single day. So it's infinite. You know, it's never ending. And how exciting is that versus working in a bank or something. You know, that gets very stay on board. It's so and particularly at this moment in time, it is so exciting there going to be new discoveries about science and healing and the cosmos.

 

01:17:46:14 – 01:17:53:06

Pam

I mean, it would be hard not to be excited about all of those things that are imminent. We're on a precipice right now.

 

01:17:53:08 – 01:17:58:10

Amanda

Yes, Pam, if people want to join your 15 minute meditations, how would they find you for that?

 

01:17:58:12 – 01:18:21:09

Pam

Really, really interesting. Easy. I on my YouTube channel, I have, a video ten minutes long called 15 Minute Meditation Sunday Meditation because initially it started off just on a Sunday, but people have asked for it to be every night because it's in the world. So all you do is join energetically. No zoom, no tech, no recordings, no nothing until you join energetically.

 

01:18:21:09 – 01:18:40:09

Pam

And I give a series of suggestions of use a mantra of where welcoming in an expanded consciousness of love, we're joining with our hands. We're connecting with our hearts. We set a clear intention that this is for your highest good, the highest good of all, and the highest good of the earth. And then we step into feelings of love, joy, peace, gratitude, compassion.

 

01:18:40:11 – 01:19:09:23

Pam

And for each person, they put anybody within that circle that they want to uplift and acknowledge the problem of whatever they're trying to help. But don't dive into the horror of it. So keep your state high. Keep your frequency high. And you know, I'm. And it's blown me away because people write back to me and said, you know, they they're seeing this incredible grid of light which is strengthening and expanding every single time they do this.

 

01:19:10:00 – 01:19:31:12

Pam

It's so powerful. Now the people see very tall, benevolent galactic beings coming in to help us, other people seeing us setting off over hills and mountains and streams and more and more people join us. More and more animals join us. And it's like this soon, army of love that we're building every time we do the meditation, which is and you know, I know people can't join every single evening.

 

01:19:31:12 – 01:19:53:13

Pam

Life is not like that, but as many as you can just for 15 minutes, 2 or 3 a week if you can, because I think there's thousands of people across the world doing this and that. Amazing. Because the group energy magnifies our intentions to bring more love in the world. Wow. It's that simple. But yeah, it's called Sunday meditation and ten minute video on my YouTube channel.

 

01:19:53:13 – 01:19:55:16

Pam

Easy to find. And that explains all of that.

 

01:19:55:16 – 01:20:14:09

Amanda

Now tell people when to show up and give them the instructions of what to do. Okay. Amazing. Pam. This is flown by. I don't for me, I'm just like, oh my God, I could keep talking to you for ever. I know it's late for you there. So. And I've we've already received so much time and beauty and wisdom from you already.

 

01:20:14:11 – 01:20:34:01

Amanda

I just want to close with if if there's anything that you would want to offer to the community, any any closing thoughts as we are out there, each navigating our own lives and all these big, huge energetic waves that we're a part of, anything that you would want to leave us with?

 

01:20:34:03 – 01:20:50:23

Pam

Yeah, I think just keep on rolling that mantra around your head. We're welcoming in an expanded consciousness of love. Stay in love in your heart. Always be kind, always be joyful, always be grateful. And we are rocking it.

 

01:20:51:00 – 01:20:57:22

Amanda

Oh my God, I love you Pam. Thank you so much. It was worth the five year wait.

 

01:20:57:24 – 01:21:00:24

Pam

Was it really five years? I'm since nearly five.

 

01:21:00:24 – 01:21:22:01

Amanda

Years, literally. And Pam, I would just every year I had a little meeting invite for myself. Reach out to Pam Gregory every January, and so I would reach out to you and say, Pam, we'd love to have you on the show and you were always so kind with your response. I'm focused on this. I'm too busy. I have so much going on.

 

01:21:22:03 – 01:21:33:17

Amanda

But thank you. So I just took that as a okay, I'll just keep asking and then maybe someday it'll open up at the perfect time. And I just, I feel like this has been absolutely the perfect time last year.

 

01:21:33:17 – 01:21:47:12

Pam

That's shockingly poor of me, actually. But anyway, I've I've I've loved this. I've loved this. It's been great fun. It's flown by. I think we've got over the jumps, over the jumps and covered a lot of ground. And yeah, I've loved it. So thank you for persisting. Amanda.

 

01:21:47:14 – 01:21:57:00

Amanda

Yes, yes, I'm I'm grateful for those Capricorn placements that just just keep going. And I guess the airy South Node probably played a role.

 

01:21:57:02 – 01:21:58:04

Pam

Yes.

 

01:21:58:06 – 01:22:18:12

Amanda

All right. Well thank you everybody. I hope that you've enjoyed this as much as I have. I'm so grateful that you were here for this conversation. I am so grateful that you are a part of our community, and I am so grateful that you have decided to make astrology a part of your life, especially as we move into very unchartered territory as humanity.

 

01:22:18:12 – 01:22:37:06

Amanda

I think what Pam said that we have this sheet music. The more we understand it, the more we can read it, the better we can play the music. So thank you for being a part of this. You are absolutely adding to the beautiful hum of the universal symphony that that we're a part of. So thank you for that much.

 

01:22:37:08 – 01:22:40:05

Pam

Much love, Amanda, and much love to everybody. Thank you for being here.

 

01:22:40:08 – 01:22:43:18

Amanda

Thank you so much. And we'll catch you on the next episode. Take care everyone.

 

 

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