Aries Equinox, Saturn-Neptune & the Shift in Human Consciousness w/ Pam Gregory

 

 

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What if this Aries Equinox marks one of the greatest shifts in human consciousness we’ve ever experienced?
In this powerful conversation, Pam Gregory shares why the astrology of this moment is unlike anything in recorded history – and how it may be opening the door to a completely new chapter for humanity.
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From the rare Saturn–Neptune conjunction at 0° Aries to the idea of a “new human” emerging, this episode explores how cosmic forces may be activating profound transformation – not just collectively, but within your own body, intuition, and life path.

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00:00 — A Powerful Beginning: Why This Conversation Matters Now
02:35 — A Once-in-a-Lifetime Moment for Humanity?
12:45 — Physical & Energetic Symptoms of Awakening (Why You Might Feel “Off”)
18:07 — The Aries Equinox: A True Fresh Start Unlike Any Other
24:39 — Mercury Retrograde in Pisces: Moving from Mind to Intuition
31:38 — AI, Technology & Discernment: What’s Real Anymore?
34:37 — How to Manifest Your Vision with This Energy
43:27 — The Future of Astrology: A More Galactic Perspective
48:38 — Collective Creation: The Power of Vision, Intention & Community
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Astrology Hub – Pam Gregory

Amanda: So I will do,

I'll

do my best to set this up. Um, but I may rerecord the intro after, just depending on where we go.

Pam: Yeah.

Amanda: Um, all right.

Okay. [00:00:00]

Well,

hello my friends. I

am so

happy that you're

here today

and very excited to have this conversation with someone who I just truly adore like that wor,

I

just adore her. I adore her perspective. I respect and admire the commitment that she has to helping all

of us. Utilize

astrology as a tool for growth, for tapping into potential for realizing the truth of our internal power and, and what it is

that we're

doing here. So I'm here today with someone who, who. I dare say needs no introduction, but there might be a few of you out there who haven't come across Pam Gregory's work. She has been engaged with astrology for over 45 years. She has a very active and vibrant and longstanding YouTube channel. [00:01:00] She is an incredible teacher.

She's an incredible guide, and she is an incredible integrator of different perspectives that all help to inform us about who we are. And what

we're doing

and why this unique that why this period of time is especially unique. So today we are gonna be covering lots of different territory.

a. We're going to be focused a lot on this equinox that we are about to embark upon, and the significance of it and how it's really setting up the energy of the entire astrological year that we're about to

move

into. We're gonna be talking about some bigger questions about, uh. This period of time in human history and how astrology can help us navigate it as gracefully and,

uh,

and hold on. Edit this out gracefully and.

Positively as possible.

Alright, so Pam, welcome to the Astrology Hub podcast. I'm so happy to have you back.

And

I hesitate

to say that this is gonna be our annual thing because if it could be more than annual, I would be really happy. [00:02:00] But for now it is our annual meeting and and it's just so great to have you back.

Pam: Wonderful. Amanda, thank you so much for the opportunity

and it's,

it was absolute

joy to

share time with you last time and I'm really excited about where our conversation will go today. So thank you. Great to share time with you on the, in this very, you know, these very exciting times. So,

so yeah,

happy to be with you.

you.

Amanda: All right, so let's start with this period

of time

right now. And I'm, I'm loosely, I'm, I'm loosely saying, you know, around this

Aries Equinox.

What is unique from your perspective about the astrology of this moment?

A Unique Moment

Pam: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.

Yes, there's,

there's so

much, Amanda. 'cause I've been sort of thinking about this particular period of time as being very different for about the last sort of couple of years.

and

You

know, you and I last time talked about that, that wonky triangle of Pluto

and Sedna that I thought was so instructive for our time that

we are moving into.

some kind of metamorphosis.

It wasn't just a [00:03:00] transformation, it was a

metamorphosis for, for

humanity. And then I was starting to talk to other people who are experts in their fields about what they were seeing in terms of where we were moving to. You know, we have the end of

the Cali Yuga.

On the last Aries

Equinox in 2025.

That was from

Bibo Dev Misra, an Indian scholar who's done fast research on that. We are moving through the galactic

current sheet,

which we only do about every 12,000 years or so.

Been, I've been very involved with Kelly Kolodny at the Capricorn Solstice end of last year. Birthing a new galactic consciousness as she described it.

And then we come into this year and we have. The Saturn Neptune conjunction, which although of we know reliably happens every 36 years, it hasn't happened at Zero Aries for over 6,000 years, since 4,361 BC and onto

to credit

my good friend Heather Unsworth for finding that in her research. So this is an incredibly rare opportunity [00:04:00] to.

To, to have a different episode for humanity, to break free from the constraints and the control and the, you know, the power over paradigm that we've lived through for many, many lifetimes. And I can feel that, and I'm sure you can too, Amanda, in the astrology, there's a kind of a feeling of humanity rising.

Coming up, particularly at the Aries Equinox. So

as we

move towards it,

We've had the very strong eclipses, the solar eclipse, 28 degrees of Aquarius on the 17th of February. Just had the Virgo eclipse at almost 13 of Virgo. Um, and now we're sat in Neptune conjunction, obviously on the 20th of February and we're now going into the Aries Equinox.

But just before that, we often forget about our very unusual and rare interstellar visitor three I Atlas.

Which is having its final

fly by to Jupiter

on the 16th and 17th of March. And Jupiter at that point is not only in the, it's exalted, um, [00:05:00] sign of cancers, it's absolutely at the exalted

degree of,

of all the 360 degrees and it's also conjunct serious, our spiritual star.

So as three, I atlas this. Interstellar object, which I believe is, is, is, is a higher consciousness seeding a new consciousness also for our earth and for humanity. It's like the final gift, as it were before, just a few days before the Aries Equinox, which is just a pile up as we know of planets in

Aries.

And we can talk about that in detail. So, you know, and I, you know, there are

lots

of other bits in between

that I,

I, I've missed along the way, but essentially it feels like a cascade of convergences very much focused on, on, on this time. And if I talk to people in other disciplines, people like Dr. David Clements,

who's

a brilliant theoretical physicist, but now he just talks to his

galactic team all

day long.

Um,

you know, people working in very different areas

Veda Austin working with

the autistic people. I had some conversations with [00:06:00] them last night, which was just mind blowing. The way they are seeing our future is so positive and so exciting. It's like, and Dr.

Jude Carvan,

the brilliant Cosmologist, another friend of mine.

I've posed this question to many people in their different fields.

Is

this the biggest leap for humanity's consciousness that you believe we've ever experienced in any lifetime? And they've

all said yes.

yes.

Amanda: Hmm.

Pam: They've

all said yes because it's almost like I feel a replay of Atlantis from about 12,000 years ago when we didn't get it right.

We got close, but we didn't get it right. And my understanding is we became too engaged in the technology. That's one

of

the main reasons Atlanta's fail, and I think we have to be very cognizant of that as we go forwards in this lifetime as

well. So

yeah, it's all kind of funneling down to that Aries Equinox, which is not long away at all, is it?

Amanda: Right, exactly. Okay, so I love that you

just kind

of anchored us in time from a bigger perspective. So we have the, the different things that were

happening last year.

I remember the meta, the metaphor that was used was of the dragonfly.

Right? We talked a lot about the dragonfly and how it goes from this gray blobby, little like organism, right? What's that?

Pam: Water.

names.

Amanda: Water niv. Exactly. And then it, and then it goes towards a stock of grass. It decides to climb up it, and then it completely, it like the water, the water longness of it, like opens it up and then it becomes this completely magical

creature. And that

was the, that was you and Richard Rud were talking about that as that's the metaphor for where we've been at. Do they do all of those people that you've asked that [00:07:00] question in terms of the leap of humanity's consciousness right now. Do they all confirm that they believe we're, we're making the right choice this time, or we're, we're making a

different choice

this time than we did during

Atlantis?

Pam: Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. Abso, or maybe I've just talked to very positive minded people. I don't know, but, but yeah, they do. You know it it's very interesting that. Yeah, you and I, I think last time Amanda talked about that very particularly unique configuration we

have

right now, that mini triangle, the triangle between Pluto and Uranus and the midpoint is, is Neptune.

And I believe that's completely unique. I, I don't believe any astrologer has said, no, that's happened in Israel. You

know, that's completely

Amanda: that, that actually, I think that's the, that's the thing that makes the Saturn Neptune conjunction. Absolutely completely unique. Like it's never happened before.

'cause it's, we can find when it happened

at Zero Degrees

Aries, but we can't find when it happened at Zero Degrees Aries and was the midpoint of Pluto and Uranus. Right? Yes.

Pam: And

you know, that all positive aspects of trying to sex stars and um,

Andre Bour,

The French philosopher and astrologer talked about this as, as possibly being the greatest leap for [00:08:00] civilization.

That he,

he'd known, I can't remember the exact quote, but broadly that was it. So that configuration really hangs together pretty tightly.

From 2025 to 2027, Richard Rudd is

talking

about the metamorphosis into the dragonfly. In 2027.

But the

genesis of that, he said in his gene key system, which I don't understand at all, but many of your listeners may do. He said it was on January the 30th, 2025, Pluto in his system crossed through Gate 41 and

that

activated an amino acid called methionine, which activated a genetic mutation.

Across all species, humans, animals, trees, plants, microbes, ecosystems of the whole thing.

So that was

30th of January, 2025, and he is talking about the dragonfly emerging, having gone through that metamorphosis. [00:09:00] By the end of 2027, which is when this unique astrological configuration starts to break up. I talked to Lee Harris.

You know, Richard Rudd has written a book called The New Human. Lee

Harris has

written a book called The Future Human, and they're, they're both in their, their contemplations or their their channeling, talking about this new

biology.

And so, you know, we are all landing, whether I'm talking to a brilliant cosmologist, a theoretical physicist, a channeler,

Jean, keys founder, other astrologist, you know, we're all landing in this same place and the the astrology reinforces that.

So I think we've just gotta grab this unique opportunity of many, many lifetimes because it's not coming around again. You know, the Saturn Neptune conjunction was a one hit wonder.

And

even by the middle of the year, Neptune will have moved off that world axis. We know

they're all

coming to a a, a place of exactitude, Uranus, Pluto, Neptune, they're coming to exactitude at four degrees [00:10:00] of their signs in July.

We've got Uranus, four degrees of Gemini. We've got Pluto,

four degrees of

Aquarius, Neptune,

four degrees of Aries. That's the most

exact point

in July this year of that. Unique configuration, but Neptune is no longer at the world

axis,

which

is zero of Aries Pure

potentiality,

the very first degree of the Zodiac.

So we have that now, and it comes back right at the end of the year, but that mini configuration is no longer in ex exactitude. So

Amanda: Hmm.

Pam: this particular time, if you look at all of those elements, this particular time as we move into the Aries

Equinox, I think

is immensely, immensely powerful for a jumping consciousness for humanity.

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Amanda: Okay. So many questions to do and

we we can circle back. We can circle

back

to a lot of that. One thing I wanted to ask you. So you, you're talking about this new biology, this new, this new,

Uh,

physical human body that I would guess is gonna give [00:12:00] us increased capacities. You know, we know that our brain, you know, the, the, the,

our DNA, our

brain, there's so much that has been inactive. So hopefully this new body is actually more active and, and we increase our capacities. One of the things that I noticed during the eclipse season that we just went through. And, and then I did a couple informal surveys in our Inner Circle membership because I was like, is this just me? It could just be me. But one thing I noticed is that my sleep was disrupted in a way that I hadn't been used to.

And so I asked,

you know, anybody else experiencing this

who, who doesn't normally experience this? And it was overwhelming. I got, I mean, it was a flood of responses.

The

second thing that happened was that I experience unusual. Illness, I mean, things that I have never experienced in my life. And, and so then I asked, you know, anybody, anybody else is, is this just me?

And also a flood of confirmation from

people. So

I started wondering.

Shedding Celestial Ailments

Amanda: I.

Could this be a shedding? Could this be part of a, a, of an upgrading process in our physical bodies? And is this evidence that perhaps this is actually happening, that we, there is some [00:13:00] fundamental shifting that's happening and I would just love to hear your thoughts on that.

Pam: Yeah, absolutely Amanda. Yeah, and, and I share your sleep dysfunction. Just, you know, either sleep for 10 hours or not at all. So I really share that.

But I think so much

is happening during

those night

hours to upgrade us, and there's been kind of no real rehearsal for this. You know, we're going through these huge upgrades, which we.

Which are internal, so we may not be fully aware of, but we are getting physical symptoms. And also, of course, up until the 17th of February, we were the, the 12 months prior to that, we were in the year of the wood snake, which was all about shedding the skin. So for so many people, they've either had physical symptoms or

Old symptoms or ailments coming back that they had to, had

to come to the surface to

be shared. A lot of people have been having dreams about way back in childhood, or old spouses or relationships from way back. I've had a lot of that as well. 'cause it's got

to come to

the surface to be released. 'cause we can't drag the,

[00:14:00] the baggage, the ball and chain from the

old us into the new.

Life, the new us and the new consciousness. And that's really how I see it. And I think a big part of this, which it'd be great to ask your inner circle as well, Amanda

if

people

are starting to experience much greater psychic sensitivity.

Amanda: ah,

Pam: Because

a lot of people I know, and it's kind of flooding in on social media, they are experiencing stronger healing abilities, telepathy they're starting to see elemental beings when they're out in nature.

Much, much greater. Psychic sensitivity. And this will. Come on much more strongly, the further into the rest of our lives we go, because if you listen to Greg Braden on this, he talks about about 200,000 years ago our, our chromosomes were interfered with because every mammal as 24 chromosomes, apart from the human being from.

200,000 years ago that that chromosome two and chromosome seven was spliced together to leave us 23 [00:15:00] chromosome.

The 24th chromosome is now

coming

back online.

That is the multidimensional chromosome.

Where

we can start to see

ourselves in other dimensions. We may see, you know, the elemental beings, the tree beings.

We may see ourselves in a, in a

past

life or a future life,

or as a galactic being, we'll start to welcome

in our galactic family, we.

That

could be quite destabilizing in a way. But we are moving into

this kind of

multidimensional

consciousness, I think, and that

what Greg Braden was talking about was

actually confirmed.

I was listening to an

interview with a,

a professor of medicine, an American professor of Medicine called Dr. John Daly. I think his

name is daily, maybe Ryan,

but I

think it's daily. And he was specializing in radiography

and

in the scans he could actually see that chromosome two and chromosome seven had

been spliced.

He actually could see on the scan. So I got very excited when I heard that. 'cause I thought, gosh, you know, that's, um, that's, you know, physical proof and he was a professor of medicine, so, you know, very, very orthodox in

that

way. So I think we are entering

a

a, an [00:16:00] immensely exciting period, which we've never experienced before of.

We've lived as

quite contracted 3D linear beings, and we're just, it's gonna be like almost blowing a dandelion and all of these beautiful kind of spores and tendrils just take us into very different realms. So I think what a lot of people are experiencing with the sleep problems and the, and the illness problems, they, they are evidence of our very rapid ascension, I

would

say.

Amanda: Pam

is there, EV I love Greg Braden as well. Is there evidence of that 24th chromosome coming online? Like what, how do we know that that's actually happening?

Pam: Well, Greg Braden has talked about and cryon channeled by Lee Carroll.

Talked about repeatedly. I think the evidence comes in our own experience.

Are

you starting to

feel more psychically sensitive? Are you starting to see beings from other other dimensions, other galaxies, et cetera? I think it will be, it will be you know, experiential.

So I

think people are

feeling that already. And um, [00:17:00] yeah, we've just gotta, we've just gotta, you know, welcome that with both arms really,

and

say, wow, how amazing could this be? Because I think we have lived a, lived a very contracted linear life, and you and I were talking earlier about. You know, listening to the news every night, I haven't had a television for six years, just got a houseplant there instead.

So, but

you

know, it, there is one narrative across the world. There is one narrative of there is one reality and there is nothing else, and that's just not

true.

That's just not true. We create our reality from the inside out, and I'm a, I'm a passionate believer in that. I believe that in my bones, that

we create our reality

from the inside out, and astrology helps us enormously to navigate that too.

Amanda: Okay.

This

is so good, Pam. Thank you.

you.

So good. Okay, so let's, let's go back to the astrology and talk about the uniqueness of this particular Aries Equinox, because I know that

there's certain things about it that actually

Aries Equinox is always a new beginning.

It's always

the beginning

of the astrological new year. It's always [00:18:00] like has this fresh start energy, but this year. Is even more of that. So talk to us about that.

Equinox Brings a Fresh Freshness

Pam: Yeah, it, it's fascinating 'cause I, I was saying this in a recent video, you know, every, yeah,

of course

every year we have the Aries Equinox, but because of all of that context of the, the end Yuga. Moving through

the galactic current

sheet, you know, et cetera, et cetera. All the things we've, we've

just

been sharing and the

fact that,

That satin Neptune conjunction happened on zero of areas of pure potentiality, blank canvas.

What are you gonna do humanity with this, this

new

era? Neptune is still on that world axis. It's

at one degree at the Aries

Equinox. It's at one degree. One degree, 46 of Aries, and zero to two degrees of

the cardinals we know

is

the Aries

point.

And there are four world points we know of zero to two of all the cardinal signs, Aries

Cancer, Libra, Capricorn moving around.

And so that hasn't happened.

A,

a sun conjunct Neptune hasn't [00:19:00] happened since 1861 because last year we had a sun conjunct Neptune, but Neptune was then still at the end

of Pisces at 29 of

Pisces. So this is the first time since 1861 that has happened. But you've also got, apart from this. You've got so many

plants in Aries because it's

very, very rare to have Saturn and Neptune in that sign at the same time as all the

other personal,

you know, you're obviously gonna have the sun, you're obviously gonna have the moon coming up.

Mercury's closed. Venus is pretty close. But you've, you've also got

Aris,

you've got Chiron. If we want to include some of the centers, you've got Ness, sorry Ness on the Pisces. You've got Manway. At almost five degrees of Aries, and he's part

of the tolkien's creation myth.

You've got Elaia, which is mermaid energy and myth.

She was

wife of Neptune

and, and she's linked to the shimmering sunlight moonlight on the sea. I think she's linked

to photonic light

and light language. Because when people have been having transits from [00:20:00] Elaia or to their natal elaia, they spontaneously start to speak light language that isn't a statistically significant sample.

But I've a lot of people contacting me about that, so, so I think if we, if we add them up, we've got something like eight orbiting bodies in Aries at this

Aries Equinox.

I think we've got even more than that when we look at the, the New Moon in Aries on

the 17th of April.

It's just so, yeah. On one hand is that war.

Sure. It's happening already. We can see that. That's one expression of it. But it's not the only expression. The other expression is stepping into our sovereignty, our power, our

inner authority

in a way that we've never done before. I think in this lifetime, we've always given our power away to external authority.

The television, the government, et cetera. And I'm, I'm not talking about a kind of boots on the Street Revolution Rebellion, although I

think

there's a huge amount of revolutionary energy out there in the, in the collective. I'm talking about just that solid sense of conviction, of disengaging

emotionally

and as far as possible [00:21:00] practically from the system

that.

To which you've given away

your, your power. Can you become self-employed? Can you stop shopping at supermarkets and go to your local farmer's market? That

kind of thing.

Can you you know, operate on a social media platform where you have freedom of. Of speech,

et cetera. You know,

there are many

sort

of mini choices that we can make, some bigger choices, some mini choices that disengage you from the system.

Ultimately, we can live off grid. I think there's gonna be a big, big surge in camper van life this year.

People going off

grid and just

being

free. Having no fixed abode whatsoever and just being completely free, I think there's gonna be a big, big growth in that kind of thing, which is really taking back your sovereignty.

So, nope, I'm gonna live my own life as my own person. So, yeah. And anything else you want to kind of dig into with that

Aries Equinox,

As well, Amanda, because we've got, you know, we've got some beautiful [00:22:00] things we've got.

Vada,

a dwarf planet is at one degree of Capricorn, so she's exactly square to Neptune and also to the sun.

And she was also part of Tolkien's creation

myth. So

Manway and vda were husband and wife and they very much represented. Really the triumph of light over dark. Ada placed the stars in the sky, and she's very related to the elemental kingdom. The elves loved her, but

they are

both related to a kind of divine wisdom, harmony,

and.

The

highest possible love and light you could experience.

And so because they're part of the original creation myth as

defined by Tolkien, they are in very strong geometry at these, at this Aries Equinox, you've got the Sun, Neptune and Saturn conjunct manway, and they're all square toda,

and that's just kind of one

part of it.

And so you've got [00:23:00] some very strong energy saying this is a whole new beginning, a whole new episode for humanity in a bigger way than we've ever had it before. And oh, by the way, remember we're

in the far,

you're of the far horse now. So you've got huge, fiery dynamic energy. And if we just think, even if we don't know much about Chinese astrology, if you just think of those two words of fire horse, you've got passion, you've got dynamism.

Horses want freedom. They don't wanna be contained. Um. You know, they've got exuberance, they've got vitality. So I think it's a big, big year from this point on, well, the rest of our lives actually. But to step out, to be pioneering, to take a risk, to do something different, to make real the dream Saturn Neptune, to make real the dream that you've been hatching while Saturn and Neptune were in Pisces and you were kind of.

Co

you are creating fermenting. You are in the, in the crucible of that dream. Now it's about action. Aries, what are you gonna do to make real that dream? [00:24:00] And it could be something you've never done before. I mean, in four weeks time, I'm gonna start

on a

two year

intensive

shamanic training course. And that's completely, I've never done anything like that in my

life.

I

know that's right for where I am. So it could be, you know, you start to write poetry or make pottery or you know, do something completely different. But it's something in your soul that you haven't yet expressed, which is saying, now

is this the time

with all of these areas, energy, all of this areas energy to really go for it and do something very different.

We don't wanna be same old, same old as we, as we move through this Aries Equinox. We wanna be

pioneers.

Mercury Retrograde in Pisces

Amanda: Pam,

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Amanda: So we, we had that set in Neptune conjunction, and then we basically went into a Mercury retrograde in Pisces. So I have all. also heard from a lot of people that there's this, like, there's been this like push-pull energy, right?

Like we, we have this new fire horse

Aries Ignition

point at that

zero degrees

lit up. But [00:25:00] at the same time, we have Mercury retrograde and Pisces, and, and that's, that's wrapping up now. But there has been this like, I wanna go, I, I, there's this fuel in my soul, I wanna do something. I feel like I'm kind of stuck in mud.

Like I, I don't know what to do. I don't have the energy to do it. I don't know where to go.

I don't

know where to place that energy. So what would you say to people who have been feeling this a lot?

Pam: Yeah, beautiful. Well, I was born with Mercury retrograde, Amanda, so

yeah, it doesn't

help me back yet, but it, you know, it's so interesting that that Mercury

retrograde in Pisces is exactly by degree conjunct the north node.

Amanda: Hmm.

Pam: I think that, you know, we've always thought of

Mercury retrograde

because it rules Virgo as well as, and, and Gemini.

Obviously as, as the mind. It's the mental function, it's analysis. However, in Pisces, it's calling us into our intuition. Drop into retrograde, drop into your intuition. Whenever planets are retrograde, in

my [00:26:00] view,

it's, it's going, it's turning inwards. And because it's so tightly exact to the

degree conjunct that north node,

it's saying, develop your intuition.

Move from your head to your heart and your feeling. You're gonna start to navigate life

via your

feeling, your intuition, not your mental

function.

Amanda: Hmm.

Pam: You

know, you go into a room

and you could feel an

atmosphere if somebody's just

had a blazing

row

or

you can meet someone new and instantly you, you feel. Do I?

Do I really jive with this person's energy? Do I like them or they're a loving being? You can, we can feel it, can't we? And that's what is being, we're being called on I think with that Mercury, which I think is actually stationary, isn't it, at that S Equinox. So it's in a very strong place. Conjunct the north node to.

Okay. It's out of the mind. The mind has been the information age that's been dominant for you, but we are now moving into an age where I think the, even the biology will change. So it will be a heart, brain complex, but the brain will be subsidiary to the [00:27:00] heart. It's the heart that will lead the heart. And the intuition and the feeling, ability.

And

you know, I've talked to so many people who say the heart is the portal to the cosmos.

And

I had two beautiful conversations, a channeling from Lee Harris, which is on my YouTube channel. And also with my good friend Janet, who channels, um, an aspect of dwell cool Zach, that's also on my YouTube channel.

And when I asked the question.

About, ‘

cause they had said, your birth chart is etched in your

heart,

your unique birth chart. And I said, is that energetic or physical? And they said, physical. It's a physical

etching

of your unique birth chart

in

your heart, which is resonating with the cosmos. And that's one of the reasons astrology works.

I mean, this gets into some fairly mind blowing stuff, but so I, it, it, it, that's what I think that retrograde Mercury in Pisces is about. Yes. It's slowing us up in some ways to

be sure of the

decisions. 'cause once

we're into

that Aries [00:28:00] Equinox, it's go time, isn't it? I mean, it's go time with all of that area's energy, but it's also calling on us to stop doing everything by the head.

And of course we've been so encouraged with short attention spans. With Twitter x TikTok,

all social media, we've developed the attention spans of hamsters, haven't we? We're now, you know, being called on to, to live from a deeper place,

I think.

Amanda: I

find it fascinating that this is correlating with this period of time where. We're really questioning what we're seeing on social media or on the internet or anything because of AI and because we know that it's so easy. To

fake things, to

create things that look very real. And if you're just using your mind, you will be duped. But

I mean,

even my daughter, I sent her this thing, she's 17 and I sent her and she's thinking about her future and what she wants to do.

Does she go to college? Does she not go to college? Does she take a gap year? Does she, you know, so we're in this conversation [00:29:00] and I came across this thing that was all about speaking more eloquently and speaking more, um. Decisively and,

and

I

know that's something she's interested

in. So I sent

her this little ad that came across my feed on Instagram and she goes,

I like

this, but I don't think it's real. And so I went back and looked at it. I was like, you know what, honey? You're right like that. That feels like AI to me. So it, but just. You know, so we're being asked to go into our into, like the astrology is supporting us to go back

into our hearts,

back into our intuition, back into that, Hmm, that, those spidey senses of like, that doesn't feel quite right.

I don't know why. It just doesn't, and

really trust that. And,

and I love this. It's giving us this foundation. If

we

are gonna be having this huge energy around new beginnings, don't we wanna

be pointed

in the right direction?

Pam: Absolutely. And you know, Saturn, Neptune, is it real? Is it not?

But I think, you know,

one of the purposes of AI is it's teaching us discernment.

It's teaching us ‘

to, cause we have to be much sharper [00:30:00] energetically saying, you know, does this just attract me

mentally or does it feel right?

Does

it feel right?

Amanda: Yeah,

I I

see that. I also see it really bringing us back to the, that fundamental question of what is it that makes being a human unique and valuable? Because if robots can do all the things that a lot of the things we have been putting our energy and attention on, then it really just brings us back to, okay, well what is it about us that, that we. Contribute that we bring to the equation, and how do we cultivate those things even further? So I, I don't know if you have had that experience too, Pam, or, or what your thoughts are about that.

that.

Pam: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Great question, Amanda. I think it, you know, the difference is really that we have heart. We can feel love, we can create, and we have a sense of

divinity. We

have a sense of the sacred, and I don't think AI has.

Any

of that,

I don't think it has any of that Right [00:31:00] now is, is is my humble view and I think we have to be very careful in knowing the consciousness that created it.

I think going forwards into a different world, I think, I think AI can be useful if it is for the greater good of all and the greater good of Gaia with no profit motive. Then I think you could have a really productive ai 'cause it's for the good of the people and the good

of

the earth with no profit motive.

But as long as there is some kind of this is my own humble view, profit motive behind it, and you're not quite sure of the consciousness that created it, I wanna run a

mile because it

has no heart, it has no love, it has no divinity.

Tech, Transits and AI

Amanda: Pam,

where did the internet come from?

Like,

I'm thinking about this because

it feels

to me like a, a very similar point, but, but even more that we didn't use to have the internet and, and then the internet appeared and now we all use it all the time and, and I remember very consciously making a choice at one point in my life, okay, here's this technology. I'm gonna use it for good. [00:32:00] I'm gonna use it to spread more light in the world. And it was a very, I remember a very conscious choice. I feel the same about ai, but I would love to hear your thoughts

about that.

that

Pam: And is, thank you Amanda. And isn't it interesting that, you know, the worldwide web really got going around 1993. I think we had Uranus, Neptune conjunction then, which is technology going viral, isn't it? Neptune Uranus. And of course now we have that sextile. Which is gonna be exact in July between Uranus and Neptune.

So it's yet another step in technology for me. AI has a different quality because the internet has been brilliant

in connecting

you and I, your, you know, I'm in England, you are in Hawaii. I mean, this is just magical, you know, so this has been incredible for building communities and obviously international communication.

It's been absolutely amazing. But for me, AI has a. A different quality, and I'm just speaking personally here, which feels more invasive.

I get

very odd sensation at the back of my head and the, and the minimal [00:33:00] amount I've used it,

that makes me feel

a sense of infiltration and makes me feel very

uncomfortable.

So I just, yeah.

So whereas the internet isn't this, you know, I'm, I'm talking to my friends and I'm talking to

you and

you

know, it's, it, you

can use it for good, but that's my own very

personal experience with it.

So

because

it can be very

addictive,

because it's. it,

comes up with so many

incredible solutions and you think, gosh, that was so fast.

It would take me hours and hours and hours

to

do that. But as you and I know Amanda, it's pretty rubbish at astrology. I dunno if you've used it for astrology. It.

Amanda: Oh yes.

I

mean, what, yeah. I've found you have to give it.

it.

You have to give, you can't

just like

put your chart in and say, analyze this. You have to give it all the

points. And,

and then actually I've, I've been like, whoa, that's, that's pretty, pretty amazing what it can do when it has the accurate information.

Pam: right.

Amanda: Yeah, but you

wouldn't know. You wouldn't know. If you didn't know enough about astrology, you wouldn't know that it's inaccurate when it is.

Pam: Exactly. Exactly. And I, you know, I've, for a friend, I was trying to find a date

for some

ceremony she [00:34:00] wanted, and I thought, that's gonna take me hours to find using the astrology. So used a particular kind of ai and

it

was way, it

was months off because I

then checked it with the astrology and

it was months off.

So I think we have to use it with, with great care. And again, discernment.

Amanda: that word.

Pam: Personal.

that's. my Personal. view.

Amanda: that word. Yes. Okay. Let's. Okay, let's talk about your, hold on, hold on.

Edit this out because you said something that I wanna go back to. My canvas. Whatcha gonna build something about creator. It was something about, okay, hold on.

Pam: Creating your own reality.

Amanda: Yes. Okay. Yes. So Pam, we have this beautiful, uh, group of souls who have come together for our free Aries Equinox challenge,

which

is really about harnessing the energy of the,

of Aries and Libra and, you know, just all the, the whole, all the energies that come together at this period of time in the year to really claim.

Externalizing Your Vision

Amanda: A

bold vision and to physicalize it by creating a treasure map or a vision board, which is a physical representation visually of what it is that you're calling into your life and boldly moving towards. And you have mentioned that you, you feel this period of time is especially potent for [00:35:00] creating our realities. So what would you, to anybody that's gonna sit down and do this ritual with us of creating the treasure maps, what would you

say is

important to keep in mind? Is, is is important in terms of the state with which we, we create from, are there things that you, that

you would

advise to really focus on and certain things that you would say you might want to steer clear of?

Pam: Yeah, a great question. I think it's a fabulous idea as well, Amanda. I think it's a beautiful, beautiful idea. Yeah,

I would,

I would actually dive into your own astrology, particularly your north node.

I would look

because,

you know, one of my books was was about the north node, so

I

would dive into your north node and say, what is it?

By sign, by house by aspect that I haven't seen

before

that could

reveal part of me that I haven't fully

expressed yet.

So I definitely take

that as as one of the [00:36:00] aspects, and I'd also go back even maybe to childhood or when you are on holiday or when you're weekends or downtime, what do you gravitate towards?

What always makes your heart sing, and it could be just taking a walk in the woods, but what makes your

heart sing where you

feel joy, just simple joy and follow that. Where does that lead you? You know, for instance, I walk my neighbor's dog every morning in ancient woodland,

which is

non-negotiable in any weather.

And that, you know, that brings me such simple joy, which is very grounding for, you know, the rest of my day. But so. What is it about, you know, if that's your thing, what is it about that? Do you want

to start to paint

the

paint, the beautiful trees and the forest? Do you want to, to start to get more interested in botany?

Do

you wanna start to have a con, a communication, a conversation with the trees or the elemental realm? You know, do you wanna sit by a stream and wait for the dragonflies to hatch? You know, what is it that you [00:37:00] naturally gravitate to that brings you pure, simple joy, plus looking in more detail at your north note?

I'd say those are two very good pointers, but get in a state of

joy.

Before you do that, you know, it's very interesting. I moved into this house, which I love about 21 years ago, and I'd, I'd split from my husband. It was just a horrible time. It was my kind of anus.

It was

horrible in so many ways that I won't go into, and I was not in a good emotional state for all kinds of reasons.

And I had a lot of work that needed to be done in the house, and every workman that came was angry,

threatening,

even. Every chapter had their carpenters, builders, whoever they were, were very unpleasant people to have in the house. And eventually I thought, Gina, this is coming from me. I've gotta stop this 'cause I'm actually creating this reality.

So

I gave myself a really tough talking to sat down, meditated. I do a lot of breath work as well, [00:38:00] and got myself to a different place before I contacted any other workman

to

come.

And

they were completely different people, very helpful, very kind, couldn't do enough for

me.

And

it was a very good

illustration of we create our own reality, not only by our thoughts, but principally by our frequency.

It's our frequency that does it.

And I had a very interesting conversation

a couple of months ago with a, a Tibetan Buddhist guy called Paul Levy, who's written books on Tibetan Buddhism. And his real thing is all about creating our reality from the inside out. And I profoundly believe that. So I'd suggest very simple things, you know, from the moment your feet hit the floor in the morning.

Have gratitude. What do you love in your life? What can you be grateful for? Your arms, your legs, your eyesight. Blue sky. If you're lucky enough to get it, fresh water, friendships,

you know

your pets, your children, your family, your loved ones. Have a gratitude list that you just go straight

into [00:39:00] first

thing in the morning and that sets your tone for the day.

I

also go through things like I am the light, I am the love, I am the truth. I am, which is blossom, good child's mantra. And I live in love, love, peace, and bliss. You know, I have mantra, you know, the universe show me some miracles today and it always does. So I have a series of of mantras and I may use them when I'm walking in the woods,

but they are

all designed to get me or keep me.

In a better state from which I will then do my planning, my manifesting my conversations,

whatever.

And also, another really good thing to do, and I I do this before, before this conversation, Amanda, and any important conversation or before meditations, every night I'll say, let this be my highest good, highest good of all,

highest

good of the

earth.

And that sense of altruism helps you bring in the best possible thing

for

you as

well.

Amanda: Hmm.

Pam: So all you know,

all of that I think could be helpful.

Amanda: Absolutely. [00:40:00]

Yes. And we've designed it this year so that we're doing things as we lead up to the treasure map map that are focused on our frequency and really just. Making sure that we're creating from that place of joy versus creating

from any

sort of sense of lack or separation or

not,

or scarcity or fear. Just really being in that place of, of joy and peace and possibilities and

Calling

in the vision from that state. So I love that you do that every single day. And, and it's felt, you know, it's felt in the work that you do. It's felt in the, in the frequency of the words that you use and that you choose and in the community that you've built you know, at, on YouTube and, and otherwise. So thank you for that.

Pam: Add

one thing as well, Amanda. I'd love to add one thing here because you know I'm fascinated by quantum physics and you know, the detail of

how we

create our reality. And Dr. Jude Carvan, who you may know of, she's a cosmologist, but she's also a mystic, brilliant woman. She's a mystic and a very good friend of mine can do this.

They, and I think Dr. Joe [00:41:00] Dispenza Yes can do this too. All three of them.

And Paul Levy was talking about this as well. Actually, when we are starting

to have,

say, an intention of what we want to create, they can all literally see this energetic architecture of light, like an architectural map, almost the outlines of an architectural map, but it's in

light

starting to build in the plasma.

And

if that person

can sustain that intention, it's like the bricks and mortar start to go onto that building and it becomes more and more solid. But if there comes a point where the person says, ah, it's never gonna happen to me. I'm always a loser.

You

know, those good things never happen to me. The whole architecture just collapses.

It just falls apart.

They can see that literally in the plasma ‘

cause they're very psychically sensitive. So in that sense you know, it's only for people that I'm aware of, but there's some kind of physical proof or ethereal proof that it is actually [00:42:00] forming

in, you

know, we're turning waves into particles.

This is

quantum physics. We're literally by using our frequency and our intention, our focused intention, turning waves into particles and into light structures, which we can then make manifest in

our reality.

Amanda: It,

it makes

sense to

me. I, I'm sure all of you can feel that too, like the, there is a, a mechanism through which we are calling in those possibilities and we are making them manifest.

And every single thing we see in our reality was at one point an idea.

Pam: Yeah, everything's.

Amanda: yes, that was sustained long enough and enough energy and momentum and focus was put behind it to actually pull it into this realm. So it, it absolutely makes sense.

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Amanda: Okay. One final question, Pam. I think

if everything's,

you know, we're, we're in this bold new beginning.

How Will Astrology Evolve?

Amanda: There's all this new energy, lots of, lots of expansion available to us. What do you see for astrology? How do you think this might impact the Zodiac that we use or the, the way we interpret things or, you know, I was talking to Stefan Burns recently and he was saying he's, he's using true sky a little bit more than tropical, or he likes to look at the heliocentric because, you know, but what do you see in terms of, of where this might evolve for astrology and the way that we're interpreting the cosmic energies?

Pam: Yeah. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you, Amanda. I think it is gonna [00:44:00] become much more galactic because we're gonna

have. Stronger. You

know, every time we've had Pluto and Aquarius, we've been able to go further out in the cosmos 'cause we've had stronger telescopes. But also it isn't just

an out

there, it's an in here, it's

it

because our consciousness can accommodate and integrate,

you

know, the, the newly discovered orbiting bodies.

So we've discovered a lot of the dwarf planets in the, in the

Kier belt.

I think we're gonna go beyond that. But what really excites me, I think is, is the way that astrology. Actually works. And I think it's gonna be discovered that it's, it's some kind of morphic

resonance

that

the, and, and I think Brett Gemini has done a bit of work on this, that the mass of the planet itself, each of them has creates a different pitch or resonance.

The spinning, the momentum, the geometry between the planets creates this. I think Pythagoras was right, this kind of harmony of the spheres. And that interacts with our birth [00:45:00] chart and it's literally a kind of frequency

interaction between

whatever the prevailing geometry and resonance. Morphic resonance is out there, magnetic resonance.

Interacting with the birth chart in our, in our hearts. I think we're gonna understand that way better. And I had,

over

the last couple of weeks,

I've

had some

really amazing interactions with the nonverbal autistic people that VA Austin is doing so much work with. Absolutely. You know, beautiful work. And they are, they are genius people and all very young people.

And somebody asked a question about why. This leads back to your question, Amanda. Why do these, the, the songs of the whales change each year

and the

answer from one of the autistic young people who

I think it's only about

9, 10, 11 years old was

he said

the whales are actually reading

the different

geometry between the planets and the distances between the planets, which has been picked up in [00:46:00] frequency in the sea.

That is

creating a different whale

song,

which is actually create a different changing all the time because astrology is changing all the time.

Now, if

that's happening for the whales,

that must be happening because we are also

liquid crystals. We are by molecular count, 99% water by molecular

count,

and so.

This

is very early stages of me

going in this direction, but is it that we are actually picking this up on a resonance every cell in our body is the water

is

picking this

up as a

resonance with whatever's happening out there in the cosmos, but ultimately the whole thing is just one organic consciousness, whether it is a plant or a person or a

planet.

We are

fractal expressions of that cosmic consciousness and the more we can understand it, as you know, less and less as rock spinning out there, and more and more as just fractal expressions of one [00:47:00] consciousness, that

this reality

is actually much more fluid and malleable than we've ever understood to this point.

We've lived in such density. Then I think we're getting close to understanding how astrology may work.

Amanda: Mm.

Pam: That's,

that's my,

that's my path of interest right now. Yeah. I think we'll discover, you know, further out in space, but that it can only happen when our consciousness expands in

here.

'cause actually it's all in here anyway.

Amanda: mm.

mm.

Pam: is, I dunno if

that's

making any sense to you,

Amanda, but

Amanda: oh yeah.

Pam: that,

that's where I'm headed.

What is the

actual physical effect? And I think it's all about the water. Because the water is everywhere. The water is in the

air, you know, water droplets

in the air,

the water's in the seas, in the ocean, the water is in us, and water is actually leading our consciousness

right now.

Yeah.

Amanda: and

with plasma.

Yeah,

I, feel like

plasma

is something

that we are, we are going to continue to understand on deeper levels as well. And you know, I, I live on Maui and

the, and

the [00:48:00] whales come every winter. And one of my very favorite things to do is go underwater and just listen to them. It is. So magical,

and you just

brought in a whole nother element that expands the magic of that experience. But

wow.

I mean, it, it just, it all makes a lot

of sense

and I'm, I'm so grateful that so many different disciplines are converging to help us understand how these things work and how we're connected to all of it. And it really just brings us back to that thing we've been talking about, that if. Reality is a lot more malleable than we ever

thought.

Visionary Communion & Creation

Amanda: If this material realm is actually less solid and dense than we and immovable than we thought. It brings even more importance to the power of our creative capacity. And who has con. Quote, unquote control of that, and that we

take back

that power to create [00:49:00] that reality that we are, that we're, that we know we

came here

to create.

I mean, there is a reality that I feel so many of us are in tune with, even when we do our inner circle ceremonies, there's so many times at every new moon we come together and we're, we're setting our intentions for the, the moon cycle ahead and the amount of overlap between what we all see is possible.

Also

uniqueness in terms of what each person feels they're here to bring is breathtaking. I mean, it really, really is. So I just, yeah, I just thank you for that consistent reminder to, to create the reality that we want to create.

Pam: Yeah, and I, I'd just like to add to that and thank you, Amanda, and you

know, you are doing beautiful work in

your community. You know, I really thank you for all the very high level teaching that you

share and the

YouTube videos and just, you know, this real sense of community that you're building. I really want to.

Credit you and honor you, and thank you for that. 'cause it's, it's so vital to keep the bar high on our, on our subject. But it's, it's interesting, you, you may be aware that I, I, um, had the idea of a 15 minute premeditation every evening, 7:00 PM UK time and everybody can join it.

And I just sent,

set some simple guidelines of, you know, set the [00:50:00] intention

for your highest.

Good.

Highest is good of all,

highest is good of the earth, and,

and, and have two free guided meditations that people want them on my website or just join energetically and just imagine, you know, a much more loving world in various ways. I, I, I describe

as, as guidelines,

but what's fascinating is there's more and more telepathy happening between people.

'cause people report back the same kind of vision.

Often

people report

that very tall, benevolent,

galactic beings coming in in their hundreds to support us. A lot of people see this web of light,

all, you know this,

this architecture of light all around the earth, and every time they join it, every night, it's stronger.

It's brighter, it's more solid.

Other people see,

Lots of people from across the world. The animals joining us, and we're walking over sort of hill and dale and mountains and this tsunami of love, which is coming through everybody in that meditation

to create a more loving world.

Now we are doing that, thousands of us all over the world for free, sitting at home on our sofas,

Amanda: Yes.

Pam: [00:51:00] that's our power.

We are doing it from the invisible, from

nothing.

And so that's what I really, you know, I love to keep things simple and keep them free and keep them accessible for people to say, guys, we are doing, you know, we are creating this, and you are seeing the results in, in the visions that you are reporting back to me.

But we're doing it all for free. From the Invisible.

Think of how

powerful you are.

Amanda: Yes, yes. Okay. This has just been, it's been an, it's been a journey. It's been an adventure. It's been a beautiful exploration, and I hope that all of you are leaving this conversation. Realizing how much you matter and how much of an impact you really do have and can have, and that you are a part of something

much bigger

than, than it can feel at

times when

we're in our little homes looking at our little boxes.

And, you know, so I, I hope that you can all feel that expansion of your own consciousness and just know that. Every time you focus your awareness on that, joy, on that piece, on that love that you are contributing to more light on

this [00:52:00] planet, more

love on this planet. Pam, thank you so much for giving your time, your focus, your the, the practice and, and the discipline.

I know it's joyful discipline, but it is discipline and the, and the consistency with which you show up. Thank you for all of

that, and I,

I know you're going on this two year shamonic. Training. Does that mean are you gonna be less, are you gonna be doing less videos? Like how's that gonna impact your work?

Pam: Yeah. Thank you. I don't know yet. Until I started. But I think it's gonna be pretty intensive, but I really want to do it to actually, to get outta my head, which is so analytical and you know, more into the body and the energy and the earth, et cetera. So I think it's fairly intensive. So

I'll still do

my updates, you know, and I'll still do, you know, conversations like this, but less of them.

I think I'll cut those back. And you know, I still talk to you every year, Amanda, because that's, you know, just pure joy.

But I will cut back a lot of the the other podcasts simply to give me the, the time, because otherwise there just won't be

enough time to

do everything. [00:53:00] So, but I, I really want to commit to this.

It's so, because I, I've got my Mercury at one degree of Aries, so that Saturn, Neptune conjunction is smack on my natal mercury. And so, which rules my 8,000, my and my midheaven.

So

it's this new spiritual journey and it's going to enrich, I hope my work going forwards and, and I

feel it's,

it's really calling.

So that's the kind of new thing. I'm encouraging people to do something completely different. Yeah.

Amanda: That's, it's such a great, it's such a great model and example of that, you know, something that's way out of your own box. You know, where, where can we, we go that's just very new and fresh, but something that is calling to

you that you're

just like playfully curious about.

Right?

Yes. Okay.

Huh.

Okay, everybody, thank you so much

for being

here. Thank you for being a part of our community. Remember, if you do wanna join us for this five week Aries Equinox challenge, it's underway already, but you are not too late. It's totally free. It's available to everybody, and it's, it's going to really set you up to have that, to,

to [00:54:00] harness

the power of this bold new beginning from. The highest frequency possible within you. So can't wait for, to meet you on that journey. And thank you for making astrology a part of your life. We'll catch you on the next episode. Take care everybody.

Pam: Thank you, Amanda.

Pam – Speaker: I.