[2026 Prep Series] Rebecca Gordon on the emerging new world & how to navigate it with clarity

 

 

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  • 00:00 — 2025 as the preview of 2026
  • 09:20 — Why the beginning of the year is the perfect stress test
  • 21:36 — How navigate this big year of change
  • 27:11 — Rebecca’s Mastery Class topic for the Inner Circle
  • 31:58 — Significance of Uranus & Pluto in air signs

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Amanda Walsh: What we've been doing is, like.

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Amanda Walsh: choosing a starting point. Like, sometimes we'll start at a point

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Amanda Walsh: where you and I were just organically… you know what I'm saying? Like, we're not always, like, officially starting.

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Rebecca Gordon: Sure, sure.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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Rebecca Gordon: Agreed.

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Amanda Walsh: what you're gonna say? No, no, no, this is not about getting nitty-gritty-gritty. In fact, I would love if this was more, like, high level, where we're just walking through the most important.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah. Like, the most significant transits of 2026?

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, I mean, I think…

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Rebecca Gordon: we could talk about it from, like, the perspective of transits, as, like, how… how the world is changing, and how astrology maps into that, you know? Like… Yeah. Well, like…

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Rebecca Gordon: Like, what are…

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Rebecca Gordon: the larger metacles, like, I'm interested in, you know, Saturn-Neptune. I've been looking at the Saturn-Neptune thing for quite a while, and mapping it in Aries specifically, because I have a theory that, like, whenever planets enter Aries

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Rebecca Gordon: They're extremely memorable.

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Amanda Walsh: Whenever what? Whenever planets enter Mary? Enter Aries.

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Rebecca Gordon: They get very loud, and they set a trend that runs for a long time.

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Rebecca Gordon: It's the beginning of a bake cycle. So…

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Rebecca Gordon: I've been looking at all the Saturn-Neptune conjunctions in Aries.

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Rebecca Gordon: Which is fascinating, in terms of, like, greater epoch shifting of…

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Amanda Walsh: Really?

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Rebecca Gordon: view, Organizing Principles of Life, yeah. Like, that's fascinating to me. I'm interested in looking at, like, this great expanse, this soundscape of air.

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Rebecca Gordon: You know, and looking up, like, the kind of…

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Rebecca Gordon: modernism, nihilism, and metamodernism as being, like, mapping to all of this large amount of air coming up, and just, like, holding things so lightly, and what that means, what that might look like, and…

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Rebecca Gordon: I'm also interested in, like, the future of work.

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Rebecca Gordon: And…

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Rebecca Gordon: and the unfortunate, or fortunate, whatever, I mean, it's, like, weird, whatever we want to call it, decoupling a value

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Rebecca Gordon: and money…

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Rebecca Gordon: Oh, God, to… this one's hard, to talent, and… you know, like, this… this thing, like, you can be billionaire, you could make a bunch of money in crypto, right, in a day, and not be smart at all.

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Amanda Walsh: Or…

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Rebecca Gordon: You could just have… Learn how to use AI, make all this money, and not have your degrees.

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Amanda Walsh: Right.

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Rebecca Gordon: Money got totally decoupled, it's losing it, like, from…

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, so I think that's interesting, and this whole air thing. So, like, these sort of concepts, are you okay… like, how do you feel about that?

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Amanda Walsh: I love it. I think it's all good.

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Rebecca Gordon: Also, I've been looking at the charts of NVIDIA, which I think, you know, it's the…

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Rebecca Gordon: Most important stock right now.

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Rebecca Gordon: It kind of runs everything that we're doing in the future.

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Amanda Walsh: You know what's so crazy, Rebecca, is I, like, barely know what it is. I hear the name, I hear the word, but, like, I don't know what it is.

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Rebecca Gordon: So, NVIDIA basically makes all our graphics look cool, and video games work, and it also powers, what… it basically… it teaches our AI. It's what's used to power and make our AI smart.

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Amanda Walsh: Mmm.

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Rebecca Gordon: So NVIDIA is these sort of chips behind pretty much our whole world these days. Wow. That's what is going to make everything seem real when you see it. It's going to make humans render themselves real. It's what makes AI look real. It's what makes everything look as it is. These are NVIDIA chips, and…

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Rebecca Gordon: It is the, yeah, it's the most expensive stock right now, for a reason.

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Rebecca Gordon: So… I've been looking at the 4 degree mark on Aries on that stock, and the 4 degree of Bitcoin, and…

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Rebecca Gordon: I just, think that…

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, there's a story to be told in the beginning of the year, for sure, regarding this. I'm just giving you a preview right now of, like, things I've been thinking about.

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, that's…

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Rebecca Gordon: That's important because every… everything's going through it all at once. Like, everything's getting majorly stress tested early.

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Rebecca Gordon: You know.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: But I mean, your people might not care about NVIDIA or Bitcoin, I don't know, but I don't know.

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Amanda Walsh: Well, I mean…

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Rebecca Gordon: I don't need to, I don't need to go deep into that, I could just.

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Amanda Walsh: Right.

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Rebecca Gordon: This is the thing, I don't think they're, like, listening to invest.

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Amanda Walsh: No.

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Rebecca Gordon: but I think they're… I can explain… I can nutshell what it is, and, like.

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Rebecca Gordon: like, the dangers of all of this, like, race to build the AI, this big Aries race, getting stress tested by Saturn early on, you know, and that whole…

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Rebecca Gordon: Thing, and what that does.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay, so… I am going to…

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Amanda Walsh: I'm gonna… I'm gonna attempt to summarize what you just said as, like, an intro of what we're gonna be covering.

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Amanda Walsh: I should probably add some more grounded things in it, too. Okay. Well, so I have, how the world is changing and how astrology maps with that, why, whenever planets enter Aries, it's memorable, and what that's gonna mean for this year.

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Amanda Walsh: What the big shift into the air element is going to do

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Amanda Walsh: For all of us, individually, collectively. And then, why systems are going to be stress tested early on in the year, and what you mean by that.

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah.

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Rebecca Gordon: Great. Sounds good. What was I gonna say about…

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Rebecca Gordon: I'm, like, running on 5 hours of sleep a night.

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Amanda Walsh: Oh, no.

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Rebecca Gordon: Sorry, like, my… I feel like my short-term memory's still gone right now, because I'm, like, so… not too many thoughts at once. I'm like, okay, what was I gonna say before?

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Amanda Walsh: I haven't slept good this week either. Like, I was sleeping really good, and then this week, I've just been off, like, way off.

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Rebecca Gordon: Oh my god.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah. Okay. But we're gonna, we're gonna pull it together, and we're gonna have an organic conversation that doesn't require your short-term memory.

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Rebecca Gordon: I hope not, because, like, if… you know how sometimes, like, you can list, like, a few things, like 5 points, and then circle back to all of the.

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Amanda Walsh: Yes.

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Rebecca Gordon: Like, when I'm well-rested, I'm really good at that, but if I'm not, I'll just remember the last one you said. And that's how I feel right now.

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Amanda Walsh: Don't worry about it. I will prompt you again. Like, you don't have to remember what I just said. I will, like, prompt you. And if you want to bring in any more, like, quote-unquote, grounded things.

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, like, people are having a hard time, they're trying to get by, they're feeling isolated, and they're wanting some guidance, they're all… the people are in pain, they're suffering, and I think we need to, like, ultimately give a sense of hope.

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Rebecca Gordon: and a path forward, and to empower people. Like, the goal is always, like… my intention is always to help people feel empowered in these times, not just, like, a laundry list of transits, but, like…

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Rebecca Gordon: Where…

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Amanda Walsh: Totally.

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Amanda Walsh: Like, who cares? What do you do with that, and how are you gonna use it to make your life better? Totally. Yes. Okay. On the same page. All right, so…

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Rebecca Gordon: Let me just…

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Amanda Walsh: Oh, go ahead.

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Rebecca Gordon: Sorry, we're both gonna do a thing. I'm gonna make this little screen, like, a split screen right now, and make this thing a PDF. Okay. And… hold on…

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Rebecca Gordon: Let's see where all that ends… I mean…

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, I mean, I can name some of the transits. I think the whole thing about air is, like… like, there's 3 points on that. One is the Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions in air that just started, you know, in 2020.

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Rebecca Gordon: Right?

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Rebecca Gordon: that's, like, gonna be rolling out for the next 200 years. The next is obviously Pluto and Aquarius, and Uranus and Gemini.

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Rebecca Gordon: And, you know, the last time that happened.

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, the last time they both were in air, we started to send, Hertz frequencies through the air.

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Amanda Walsh: Hmm.

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Rebecca Gordon: And…

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Rebecca Gordon: And the third thing is, I don't know if we have to go into this kind of air, but, like, what is exactly the age of Aquarius? Do you even want to talk about that?

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Amanda Walsh: I feel like that could be its own episode.

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Rebecca Gordon: But, like, I think it's so interesting, astronomically, what it is. Yeah, it totally.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: But yeah, hold on.

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay, so not that one, right? Yeah, that's…

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah, it's just a big topic.

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Rebecca Gordon: It's too much.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay, I'm downloading this whole thing.

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Rebecca Gordon: Because I don't have all these dates and everything memorized…

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, I do, actually, in February, but there's other ones throughout the year. Hold on.

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Rebecca Gordon: Hmm… Let's see if that worked.

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: Great. There it is.

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Rebecca Gordon: Hmm.

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Rebecca Gordon: Sorry, I'll be done with all these clicks in just a second.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay, no problem.

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Rebecca Gordon: We've got that.

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Rebecca Gordon: There's another little…

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Rebecca Gordon: There were some dates, though, that I did want to pull up on one of these things that are actually important.

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Rebecca Gordon: Not that.

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Rebecca Gordon: Hmm.

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, these… Hmm.

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Rebecca Gordon: I mean, the planets all seem to be kind of getting along, too, in a…

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Amanda Walsh: Right.

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Rebecca Gordon: What's that?

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah, yeah, that is an interesting part of all this.

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Rebecca Gordon: Right? It's like, everybody's expecting all this big, like, drama, like, oh, stuff's gonna go down, it's like, no, maybe not. Maybe it's just gonna be okay. Maybe it's just…

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Rebecca Gordon: It's gonna be what we morph into.

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay, hold on, just trying to set up the screen now.

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Rebecca Gordon: Got that.

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Rebecca Gordon: And…

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Rebecca Gordon: Let me just pull these dates. Okay, get… I'm just gonna say the dates to you really quick. 593…

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Rebecca Gordon: BC. 555.

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Rebecca Gordon: BCE.

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Rebecca Gordon: 1380.

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Rebecca Gordon: 1703 and 2026.

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Amanda Walsh: Wow.

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Rebecca Gordon: And they all mark the ending.

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Rebecca Gordon: of a previous whole conception of what we're here to do, and how we relate to the world. Like, the scientific revolution, the early beginnings of the Renaissance, like.

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Rebecca Gordon: These are all huge when we try to make sense of what, yeah, what we're doing here, ultimately.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay, I love it. Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: What are you interested in, Amanda?

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Amanda Walsh: Ugh… I mean, I'm always… much more of a big picture person. Like, I always want to…

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Amanda Walsh: Understand the major themes.

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Amanda Walsh: The major, like.

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Amanda Walsh: invitation of those themes. Like, if we had to break down the archetype and interpret what it's calling us to.

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Amanda Walsh: what would that look like? You know, and then also, what would the shadow expression look like? Like, what would it look like if we decided to kind of take the less mature expression of the archetypes, you know?

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Amanda Walsh: And… And then I'm always interested in what…

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Amanda Walsh: what it means for our lives. Like, how do we actually work with it? For real?

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Rebecca Gordon: I love that. Like, the spectrum of each archetype, we definitely need to speak into that, yeah.

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Amanda Walsh: Alright.

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Rebecca Gordon: Like, what does that look like?

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, because we're, okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: This is news.

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Rebecca Gordon: This is… those are really good questions, though, because it's actually hard to think about, like, some of that, of…

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Rebecca Gordon: We know what that could look like in its dystopian view easily.

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Amanda Walsh: Right.

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Rebecca Gordon: You know, and we've all been programmed and groomed with that with sci-fi forever.

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Amanda Walsh: Exactly.

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Rebecca Gordon: But we have never seen, like, a really positive sci-fi movie.

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Rebecca Gordon: And we've never… it's like, we don't have a lot of frameworks to look at, you know?

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Amanda Walsh: We don't. We don't have a whole lot of frameworks to look at for life on this planet, period, being something that works. Like, seriously, we don't have a model for that.

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, that's why it's so interesting now, it's so nascent. Every planet's at the beginning of the sign, and, like, we could deal with a little bit of, like, naivety. Like, we've reached the end of post-postmodernism and all of this. It's like, where do you go from there when it's all a big mockery, everybody's just trying to win the video game, Trump's just like…

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Rebecca Gordon: oh, it's a game, let me be president, you know, I don't want to… like, everybody's just trying to win the game, you know, get to the top, go to Mars, like, it's… you know, there's, like, a lack of meaning in it all for a lot of people now, so it's sort of…

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Rebecca Gordon: once you get to that point, and nothing means anything, and even hard work doesn't give you money, you can do anything to get money, that's decoupled. When we got to that state beyond nihilism, what next? We need to, like, hard reset… that's why the zero degree Aries thing is actually…

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Amanda Walsh: Ctrl-Alt-Delete on the computer, or like, you know, when you actually, like, hit the power down button, and it actually powers down, and then you reboot your computer.

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Rebecca Gordon: That is what zero degrees Aries is.

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Rebecca Gordon: Yes. And Saturn and Neptune have never actually met at zero degrees Aries in our… in forever, ever, ever, that we know of.

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Rebecca Gordon: But what's interesting is, every time they have met together, not even in… at zero degrees, it has been a monumental shift of culture and the orienting principle of what humans are doing here on Earth.

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Amanda Walsh: Mmm, so Saturn and Neptune, whenever they've met in the past, it has always initiated a huge change in terms of how we're living and relating on this planet.

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Amanda Walsh: But the fact that they're at 0 degrees Aries is just… first of all, never happened, and it takes that new energy to a whole new level.

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Rebecca Gordon: we can certainly parse through the different times, and I think they're all gonna kind of lead up to what we could perhaps imagine for now, and I think it's an interesting time for us all to be quite imaginative, like, we have to be. After all of this.

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, I realized, like, I looked at our comments, and people were like, oh, she never said you know once, but I realize I'm saying you know a lot right now, because I'm so tired.

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Rebecca Gordon: But people were like, good ones! I'm like, oh god, I'm saying it now.

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Amanda Walsh: It's so hard. I mean, I can't believe how critical people are. I just want to be like, you come up and do it then. I want to, you know, let's hear your, like, language cadence.

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Rebecca Gordon: Maybe you edited my nose out, I thought I spent it a lot, I don't know.

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Amanda Walsh: Well, we could do it again. Yeah, alright. Okay, so let me just, do a little bit of a bio here.

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Amanda Walsh: Alright, and I'm just gonna do a little overview, and then we can… then I'll ask you the first official question, but we've already gotten some great content. Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: Oh, oh, so sorry, Amanda. I just want to confirm, this whole, like, first beginning of the year, like, we're… we're spending… I mean, if we're gonna talk about

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Amanda Walsh: Okay, you guys, we are in for a treat today. We have Rebecca Gordon here with us to talk about how

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Amanda Walsh: many things, but one of… a few of the things we're gonna talk about is how 2025 was really a preview for 2026. We're gonna talk about how whenever planets have entered Aries, whenever planets enter Aries.

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Amanda Walsh: what is started is memorable, and we have some big, huge planets entering Aries, so the fact that it's going to be memorable, and they're the big players, is going to be an interesting conversation. We're also going to talk about how we are moving into a time of air and

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Amanda Walsh: How the beginning of the year, a lot of different things are going to be stress tested, and also how this period that we're entering in

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Amanda Walsh: with Saturn and Neptune conjoining, what has happened throughout history at Saturn-Neptune conjunctions, and then how this might be different due to the fact that they are having a conjunction at 0 degrees of Aries. So, Rebecca, if you…

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Amanda Walsh: Let's see, Rebecca, if you do not know her, is a renowned New York City astrologer. She's the founder of Rebecca Gordon Astrology School, teaching students for almost 20 years, and is an author of Your Body and the Stars.

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Amanda Walsh: She is the resident astrologer for Harper's Bazaar, and has been featured in leading publications like The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Financial Times, Forbes.

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Amanda Walsh: The Oprah Magazine, and Vogue.

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Amanda Walsh: She is also, lucky for us, going to be the next Inner Circle Guide and Mentor, starting next week, so she'll be leading us through the Capricorn Lunar Cycle. Inner Circle members, stay tuned for that. We're going to talk about her mastery class at the end. It's going to be an amazing mastery class that all of you members get access to. So, Rebecca, welcome back to the Astrology Hub Podcast!

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Rebecca Gordon: Amanda, it's such a pleasure to be back talking with you again. I loved our first chat, and I'm excited now to dive into 2026!

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah, I loved our first chat, too, and so did the community, so we're stoked to have you here. Alright, so let's talk about a few of these ideas. First of all, how was 2025 a preview for 2026, and what can we glean from what we experienced and learned in 2025?

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, 2025, we had basically Pluto, Uranus, Saturn, and Neptune all touch into the next sign, and then get a little scared and make a U-turn and go back. And so there was a lot of, like, teasing of themes, but nothing ever really manifesting.

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Rebecca Gordon: So, we didn't really get anything to kind of weave a solid thread, and that's something that we're finally going to start seeing in 2026. We're finally going to see, okay, what are these themes? What do they look like? What is… how is this new world emerging? Where are the pillars?

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Rebecca Gordon: at the zero degree point. This is the most important point in astrology. The zero degree point of Aries, it's essentially where it all starts. It is the hard reset button of the zodiac.

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Rebecca Gordon: This year, Saturn and Neptune meet there.

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Rebecca Gordon: I have been tracking Saturn and Neptune cycles a lot, and the conjunctions are fascinating, because they will always show us when there is some big cultural shift of

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Rebecca Gordon: Actually, let me take you to the most recent one first, because I think that is fascinating. Let's go to around 1703, when consciousness became so localized in the rational mind, and we're extracting ourselves out of the Renaissance and sold view of the world.

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Rebecca Gordon: Newtonian physics drops, and the whole world is like, okay, Cartesian, I think, I think therefore I am, reason, intellect, scientific thought reigned the day. This was such a stark change from the previous and sold world.

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Rebecca Gordon: And we're still pretty much in that framework. Like, we're still operating in that framework.

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Rebecca Gordon: So what I've noticed is every time Saturn and Neptune meet, like this in Aries, Well, Aries…

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Rebecca Gordon: Specifically, it's worth saying, what is the collective dream, and how are we going to orient ourselves in that dream?

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Rebecca Gordon: And every time, it's pretty much the end of a previous worldview of really the story of what humans are doing here on Earth.

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Rebecca Gordon: A bit… a bit more decentralized from only the church. So, that was a huge shift, and also that came right after the Black Plague and everything, so a lot of times this is after a big upheaval.

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Amanda Walsh: There's a few more, I can say. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating to see how the… what is it? History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes?

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Amanda Walsh: I'm quoting someone, so that… I did not come up with that, but I can't remember who did. But that it's not going to be the exact same thing, but there's a… there's a pattern to it. There's a… there's a rhyme. So, what are the other ones?

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Rebecca Gordon: In 555, basically, consciousness is held with a church imperial order, and that whole container. It was about codifying ritual law, theurgy. It was really… this was a point of consolidation.

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Rebecca Gordon: Start from the beginning, but I'm taking you backwards. And then the time before that was 593. So let me actually start there. 593 BC, which is essentially the height of the Axial Age, when Greek philosophy, Buddhism, Jain philosophy, Taoism.

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Rebecca Gordon: And that went really far, and I think people probably also went too far with it, as they do at the end of a cycle.

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Rebecca Gordon: Because this… every planet's just entering a brand new sign of air and fire, and it's a very fertile field to create a new story.

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Amanda Walsh: where we're at right now, we're gonna be getting stress tested. Things are gonna be stress tested. What do you mean by that?

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Rebecca Gordon: with that, I don't know if that was a good answer. I don't know if I had an answer.

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Amanda Walsh: what you were saying. I still don't know exactly how that will look, but I don't think any of us really do. But I'll ask you again.

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Amanda Walsh: similar, but not the same, as what we've seen at these Saturn-Neptune conjunctions before.

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Rebecca Gordon: orientation, perhaps a new figure, like Einstein or something like that pops on the scene, the new kind of version of what is science now, something that breaks the old models, and that, you know, reveals why there was these fudge factors, and…

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Rebecca Gordon: It might be beyond quantum physics. It might be a new something beyond electricity that we're tapping into. It feels airy, fiery, electrical, like, it's not… it is about how we communicate, what we can see, what we can hear.

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Rebecca Gordon: almost like we're going from, like, a cream of broccoli soup to a consomme. Like, we're starting… it's starting to clear out. We're starting to see a lot, and…

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Rebecca Gordon: I think that is possible in its highest potential. I think there's a lot of clarity,

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Amanda Walsh: Hmm. And do you… do you feel like people are choosing

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Amanda Walsh: now, or have chosen on some level? I mean, there have been a lot of people talking about, like, the bifurcation of consciousness. Like, there's… there's sort of, like, parallel paths, but very different experiences. Are you seeing that? And do you agree with that? And is there astrology to show that?

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Rebecca Gordon: in systems thinking, that's… that's part of it, right? There's a bifurcation, and then, ultimately, there's a new strange attractor, and everything then moves towards that.

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Rebecca Gordon: And so, I… because everything is now… all of the planets are at the zero degree point, this feels to me like, okay, what's the new strange attractor we're all moving towards?

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Rebecca Gordon: like, we've already gotten into such bifurcation where there's this big… it just feels like, where do we go now? Every planet reached the 29th degree, people start to see life just like this… this mockery, this video game, trying to win the game, trying to get to the top, and

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Rebecca Gordon: As far as a bifurcation, if everything is moving into Sorry.

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Rebecca Gordon: Sorry.

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Amanda Walsh: That's okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: Fuzz, pause, pause.

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Amanda Walsh: You don't have.

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Rebecca Gordon: I don't know. I don't know if I would say, like, I don't…

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Rebecca Gordon: I don't really… there's nothing that shows astrologically a split, if I'm going to be real with the astrology. I know that people like to talk about that.

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Rebecca Gordon: it actually feels like something new is just… something absolutely fresh and new is just coming on the scene. Like, oh, this is how we can communicate. This is how we see when there's distortions in your energy field. This is how we know when you're gonna get sick 10 years before, and pull out those distortions in the field. Like, there is just new technology that's coming up through sound and light.

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Rebecca Gordon: are not seeing yet, because this new person or this new download of it has not shown yet. But I believe that it will be. It'll feel like a new sense of electricity, and it'll feel like when Newtonian physics popped on the scene, or when the Renaissance did. It'll…

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Rebecca Gordon: Be like one of these other beginnings of the epics, but

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Rebecca Gordon: Actually, 10 times more monumental, because this is at the zero degree point.

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Amanda Walsh: Wow.

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Amanda Walsh: Wow. I mean, when you think about the impact something like electricity had on the trajectory of human life on this planet.

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Amanda Walsh: it's already massive. So if we're talking about something even potentially bigger than that, it's like, whoa. I mean, like, what is that gonna be? But I think, at this point, Rebecca, it's… we don't really know, right? Like, we're… we…

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Amanda Walsh: it hasn't been revealed yet, and are you seeing that it will be revealed shortly after the Saturn-Neptune conjunction, or are we, like, years before we have

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Amanda Walsh: like, clarity on this.

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Rebecca Gordon: I feel that 2026 and 2027 are going to begin to reveal what this new technology may be.

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Rebecca Gordon: And it might just be… there will probably be a technology, and you know, the word technology is sort of negligible, like, what do you call a technology? But I think, like, we are also a technology. We use technologies. There's many ways to interpret technology, but we are becoming…

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Rebecca Gordon: More aware of how to use our own technologies, our own consciousness, as well as, you know, things like

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Rebecca Gordon: Neuralink and Adjacent are probably developing.

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Rebecca Gordon: Great extents. So… this is sort of where we redefine what humans are here to do. We reorient, like at every other Saturn-Neptune conjunction, we reorient. What are we doing here on the planet, and why?

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Amanda Walsh: I love it. Okay, you talked about the beginning of the year having a stress

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Amanda Walsh: test opportunity. What do you mean by that? And what specific trends are you looking at to say that?

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, I actually think it's a good thing that we're getting stress tested early on, because this is about bubbles. You know, Neptune loves to create a bubble, and Saturn loves to pop those bubbles, right? So…

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Rebecca Gordon: I mean, so it's interesting that, you know, on January 26th, Neptune enters Aries, and the bubble starts to grow in Aries of…

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Rebecca Gordon: And then, very soon after, February 13th, Saturn pops in Aries, and Neptune's like, -oh, somebody else is in the room!

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Rebecca Gordon: And just… A week or two later, Saturn meets Neptune on February 20th, and pops that bubble.

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Rebecca Gordon: This is the stress testing of the Aries dream. So, this race to AI that all of the countries are caught up in.

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Rebecca Gordon: you know, China, Russia, everybody's trying to build the AI, and there's no guardrails, right? Everybody's just trying to build it faster, better, more powerful.

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, Saturn creates guardrails.

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Rebecca Gordon: Saturn stress test. Saturn's going to show us some of the problems with this race.

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Rebecca Gordon: And I think that's actually a really good thing. It's a good thing that Neptune is not unchecked. It's…

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Rebecca Gordon: going to be important, so pay attention to what comes up around February 20th.

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Rebecca Gordon: It's also… Going to be interesting for…

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Rebecca Gordon: companies like NVIDIA, companies like Blockchain that have Their moon?

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Rebecca Gordon: So, I just keep seeing…

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Rebecca Gordon: many companies that have their moon and planets at these early degrees of Aries. So, yes, we're collectively, personally getting stress tested, so is the technologies that we've been so hyped about.

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Rebecca Gordon: And, many things are, so I think it's a bit of a sobering time, and then we might be able to grow more sustainably, but we will have to have a serious checkpoint.

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Amanda Walsh: Wow, interesting. Okay, and let's talk about air and fire, and how these outer planets moving from water and earth into air and fire, like, how… what kind of impact that's gonna have on our reality.

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Rebecca Gordon: Well, first of all, everybody's talking about how they want to ground. I'm like, well, where is the ground, right? There's no grounding here. I mean, I don't know about you, I'm all earth and water. What are you mostly, Amanda?

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Amanda Walsh: I'm pretty balanced. I have, like, I'm… I have the least amount of water of all the elements. I have the least water.

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: I have a little bit of fire, but I think for a lot of us, we're like, okay, this is… this can feel a bit destabilizing, and we have to find our center within, because first of all.

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Rebecca Gordon: In the era of earth and water that we're coming from,

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Rebecca Gordon: You know, you climb to get to the top of the mountain, you do some hard work, and you get paid for it.

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Rebecca Gordon: you study for a long time, and perhaps you can earn a better salary if you study for more years. And there's this… there was this coupling of hard work to value and monetary reward.

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Rebecca Gordon: That is breaking down completely.

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Rebecca Gordon: that is scary for most of us, because not only with AI, right, it's also in, in blockchain, too. People can become a millionaire in a day without having any background in anything, really. So…

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Rebecca Gordon: this whole decoupling, we're moving away from Earth, and we're moving away from this kind of mapping of value and skill to reward. And that…

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Rebecca Gordon: in its thought can be problematic, for sure, at least destabilizing, so this definitely deserves a new reorientation of what we're here to do and how we do it.

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Rebecca Gordon: So… Where were we? Sorry.

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Amanda Walsh: Well, I have a question on that. So, if… I hear what you're saying, and I've been sensing this coming for a while, because I have teenage daughters, so that we're starting to have conversations around college, and…

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Amanda Walsh: Do they go to college? Do they not go to college? Do we invest in that? Do we invest in something else? What kind of majors can they have that will actually still be around? Like, where is there a good place for them to put their skills?

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Amanda Walsh: And I've just been watching it crumble so quickly, what I grew up with, and then what my parents grew up with, what you just described, that kind of prescription of, you do these things, and then there's a… there's a semi-guarantee that there's gonna be this kind of a reward. So if…

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Amanda Walsh: If it's not what it was.

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Amanda Walsh: what would the astrology point towards that it will be? Like, what would… what will be rewarded? What will be… what will be valued? If it's not the Ivy League education, what is it?

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Rebecca Gordon: I feel like an ab… Best scenario… with Aquarius energy.

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Rebecca Gordon: that is permeating right now, that there is some kind of egalitarian universal income, and something that everybody gets to survive and live on. That survival is not the main

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Rebecca Gordon: struggle or goal in life. That should be, like, that… everybody has enough.

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Rebecca Gordon: in its best… coursing through humanity, you know? And I think that's also possible.

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Rebecca Gordon: There's so many other permutations of that. But, look, we've spent since… since pretty much the Industrial Revolution.

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Rebecca Gordon: every 20 years, Saturn and Jupiter met in Earth Signs, right? Every 20 years, they had a meeting in Earth Signs, and they said, what's the next 20 years going to be about? Work hard, make money.

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Rebecca Gordon: pull dinosaur juice from the ground, oil, coal, gas, and extract, and power reality, you know? That whole story.

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Rebecca Gordon: of, extracting from Earth and, work hard and get rewarded.

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Rebecca Gordon: So… now that these things are, like, yeah, undeniably decoupled, I can't…

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Rebecca Gordon: imagined growing up right now, and yeah, like, your daughter being 18 or 19, and just looking out in the world, and it must be completely different. So…

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Rebecca Gordon: It is a… again, I'll say a fertile time for creators.

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Rebecca Gordon: I think the world is absolutely ready for, as I said, like, a new visionary, an Einstein kind of character that's not purely scientific, but also spiritual, and I don't even think it's quantum physics, I think it's beyond that, I think it's something else. But…

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Rebecca Gordon: What will be rewarded, perhaps?

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Rebecca Gordon: How we give back to our communities, how we… how we give, how we serve, perhaps?

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Rebecca Gordon: I don't know, what do you think?

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Amanda Walsh: It's… it's a fascinating exploration. I mean, I don't think we really know, but one of… I can see what you're saying.

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Amanda Walsh: In terms of…

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Amanda Walsh: what is rewarded is the relational aspect of what we're doing in our communities, in the world. It is more of a bond of affection that is

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Amanda Walsh: Where the energy exchange happens.

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Amanda Walsh: versus a transactional, like, I have this, and you have that, and I want that, and so we trade, you know? It's more of a, where do I want to,

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Amanda Walsh: what do I want to support? Who do I want to support? Who has given to me, and how do I want to cycle that energy back to them?

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Amanda Walsh: And that's just one thought I have, but I don't know.

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Amanda Walsh: I don't know, even when I'm talking to my daughters, it's like, it's an interesting place to be as a parent, because you can't really set the path for them right now. It truly is. I'm thinking about the qualities of innovation, of…

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Amanda Walsh: Internal guidance, you know, being highly attuned so that they can be flexible, and they don't get too stuck.

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Amanda Walsh: I'm seeing those kinds of things, creativity to solve problems.

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Amanda Walsh: Those things being extraordinarily valuable. It's less valuable to be an obedient worker who shows up on time and gets the job done, you know, in these amount of hours.

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Amanda Walsh: But more important that you're someone who can come in and solve a problem, and add value, and make a space better by your presence, or your…

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Amanda Walsh: your frequency, you know, I think in terms of healing, like what you were talking about earlier, a lot of people needing more hands-on, like, physical, energetic… physical and energetic

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Amanda Walsh: healing, and so people who can facilitate that, because they're clear enough vessels, because they're clear enough conduits for the energy, I think that's also going to be valuable. I don't know, but…

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Rebecca Gordon: You know.

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Amanda Walsh: You know, these are all things that I think about, especially with these… my 17- and 14-year-old in there going, should I go to college? Should I not go to college? And I'm… I'm definitely not convinced that the answer is a stamp of, yes, go, depending on what they want to do, you know?

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Rebecca Gordon: That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, also thinking about how we were so dead set as a culture on solving for efficiency for so many decades.

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Amanda Walsh: Yes.

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Rebecca Gordon: all of that solving for efficiency, we realized, made us more isolated. Like, when you don't have a fire in the middle of a village, you have a starting off there, and now you cook in your home, and then even, like, the TV. Oh, there's not a TV that a whole family watches, now they have their TVs on their devices.

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Amanda Walsh: Oof.

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Rebecca Gordon: You know? So everything, oh, now you don't need to go to the market to buy your products, you buy them on Amazon so you don't interact. So every solve for efficiency made us more and more lonely. And I feel like now we're realizing we didn't know it would do that when we were

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Rebecca Gordon: getting all excited about efficiency and scaling, or whatever. Like, we didn't know that would create so much… this loneliness epidemic on the planet, right?

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Rebecca Gordon: And now that we're here, it's very blatant and clear, and everybody's talking about the loneliness epidemic, right? So, now we know that, okay, wrong way, we gotta turn around.

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Rebecca Gordon: that was not the way. So, I agree with you, too, that, like, it has to be about people now. And also, the second thing is Aries energy. It is about initiative.

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Rebecca Gordon: And… Yep, not being a follower.

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Amanda Walsh: Yes.

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Rebecca Gordon: Like, can you take initiative? Can you understand when there's a leader that is tired and step up and leave for a bit? Can you… you know, I think that these are things that horses do, these are things that other animals naturally do, and we…

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Rebecca Gordon: have also… I think… Agency has been beaten out of us.

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Rebecca Gordon: But I… I feel like this Aries is a real drum call to become more agent again.

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Amanda Walsh: I was gonna say that. Children do. Children will step in and play roles that they're… that they aren't normally…

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Amanda Walsh: play a cast in, you know, but it does get beat out of us, and I think our education, the way that it has been set up, really doesn't reward that. It doesn't reward you questioning the teacher and taking over for the teacher if you need to. You know, none of that is rewarded or encouraged, so it is very top-down. It's like, you have a teacher, you have your students, the students are just absorbing what the teacher says, it just…

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Amanda Walsh: I think all of that is up for reinvention. And this is… I mean, to me, that seems exciting. Like, that seems…

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Rebecca Gordon: Like, humans will be able to come alive in new ways.

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Amanda Walsh: than we have.

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Rebecca Gordon: that's the quintessence of Aries. You know, that's, like, Aries at its best. That is the beauty. It is the trust, the pure self-trust, the freshness of that, and, like, the pure life spark. It's, like, where Capricorn was the system that we were all entrenched in in the 2020 cap stack.

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Rebecca Gordon: And now we're kind of breaking up with this individual Aries energy, which… It seems like…

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Rebecca Gordon: on some level, the combination, though, of Aries and Aquarius… I mean, all the planets are in harmony. You know, we have Aries, Aquarius, Gemini, and they're all sextiling and charming each other.

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Rebecca Gordon: So, if somehow… Seems that these…

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Rebecca Gordon: new advancements might actually bring us back together if we choose. I think there will be an option, because we've already hit that point where we're like.

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Rebecca Gordon: oh, that didn't work. That's not the way to go. That's more loneliness. So how can we use consciousness, technological advancements to now solve for our humanity, relationality, connectedness?

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Rebecca Gordon: Again.

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Amanda Walsh: Hmm.

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Amanda Walsh: When you're talking to clients or students, and you… and they're concerned about the level of change, or, like, the…

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Amanda Walsh: the scale of change that we're on the brink of. Because I think everyone feels it, even if they don't know how to language it. There's this, like, kind of bracing… I think people have bracing, they're tentative, they're anxious, you know, all these things.

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Amanda Walsh: What do you say to them, in terms of how to… to navigate this time period that we're in now, where it isn't clear yet?

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Amanda Walsh: We are in between still.

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Amanda Walsh: How do you advise people to work with those energies, and… and where do you invite them to focus their energy?

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Rebecca Gordon: I'm a big believer in simplifying your life, first of all. You know, especially when you get to the end of a sign, as we were at the end of pretty much every sign.

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Rebecca Gordon: at the end of Pisces.

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Rebecca Gordon: Right? The end of Capricorn and all of that, so people had a lot of gunk in their life. They had a lot of stuff that was unnecessary, so I usually start asking them to slowly remove, like, we'll think about,

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Rebecca Gordon: what is there that doesn't need to be there, that we've just gotten so accustomed to?

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Rebecca Gordon: And I mean, that's kind of typical, like, as you reach the end of a sign, to kind of… things get overstuffed, and now we want to clear out for the fresh start.

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Rebecca Gordon: And ultimately, this…

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Rebecca Gordon: it is a great time to kind of start a new book, not just a new chapter. It feels like a brand new book. I mean, I tell people to take a risk right now. This is a time, if there is a time, it's when every planet hits zero degrees Aries, the beginning of Gemini, the beginning of Aquarius. This is a time to jump, to explore.

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Rebecca Gordon: I mean, I… I'd say do not go back to the old well-worn ruts you've been in.

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Rebecca Gordon: They're not even there anymore, so forget it, you can't even try, you know?

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Amanda Walsh: Hmm.

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Rebecca Gordon: What about you? What do you feel?

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Amanda Walsh: Well, I think what you just said is really good, first of all. And…

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Amanda Walsh: I love embracing the adventurous spirit of Aries, and to really, like, tap back into the fact that nothing ever was certain, even if it felt like it.

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Amanda Walsh: And our attachment to certainty, and our attachment to comfort, that when you're on a great adventure, you don't have those things. And that's what makes it a great adventure.

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Amanda Walsh: And that's what makes stories worth telling, is when you actually did go out, and you take that jump, and you take that risk, and you experience the discomfort, and all those things. So, there's an opportunity to really become pioneers in our own lives, and pioneers for

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Amanda Walsh: humanity collectively, because we truly are in unchartered territories.

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Amanda Walsh: So, just… to me, it's kind of like a mindset, or a… even just putting on a mantle. Like, you could put the mantle of Adventurer on, and just…

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Amanda Walsh: Be that.

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Rebecca Gordon: Especially as Jupiter also moves into Leo, there's, like, a playfulness about it, too, even. It's like, can we hold things lightly? Like, nothing is an Earth anymore. Do we… can… do we even have to know?

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Rebecca Gordon: do we… there's actually a sense of… we don't know, but we're going to explore, and that's what's needed now. We need a sense of a little bit of naivete and exploration.

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Rebecca Gordon: Because we're done with cynicism, and nihilism, and postmodernism, and all of that. And have you heard about this metamodernism?

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Amanda Walsh: -Oh.

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Rebecca Gordon: these, like, Dutch philosophers were speaking about this starting in the 2010s, but it's interesting, because it really speaks to, all the planets entering air and fire right now.

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Amanda Walsh: Hmm.

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Rebecca Gordon: So basically, there's modernism, which is, like, Mondrian, and just, like, taking things down to their simplest and purest form.

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Rebecca Gordon: postmodernism, which is, like, deconstructing and making fun of everything, like Andy Warhol, and all of that. And then this idea of metamodernism, which is pretty much, like.

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Rebecca Gordon: we can do both. Like, we can play the game, and we can kind of laugh at it, and we can be a little bit romantic and naive, and go into this new future with open eyes and curiosity.

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Amanda Walsh: While we still know…

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Rebecca Gordon: That, yes, there can be problems, but we want to live and explore anyway, and the world needs somebody to be a curious explorer right now.

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Amanda Walsh: Like, the frontiers are open.

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Rebecca Gordon: So that's what metamodernism is about, and kind of holding everything very lightly in that way.

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Amanda Walsh: I say in my book that I essentially, in the story that I'm telling, that I'm the fool. Like, I'm the quintessential fool from the tarot deck, you know, just, like, whistling with the little pack on, being like, we're gonna go on this great adventure! And then, had I known what was in front of me, I don't think I ever would have gone.

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Amanda Walsh: because I wouldn't have… I wouldn't have opted in for the challenges if I'd known what they would be.

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Amanda Walsh: But, I'm so glad that I was the fool. Like, I think about the best things that have happened in my life. They've happened from that fool place of, like, yes, I'll go. I don't know where I'm going. I mean, Astrology Hub was that.

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Amanda Walsh: literally, it was me being like, I'll do that. I had no idea what that was, but it's that full sort of energy, but I like that because we can play with that. We can call… we can… we all, at some level, are that. So, taking ourselves so seriously and being like, no, I, you know, I could never be that. It's like, really?

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Amanda Walsh: you know, we basically… we are, at some level. So…

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Rebecca Gordon: And it isn't the full, zero degrees of Aries, too, right? That's the full card of the tarot deck.

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Amanda Walsh: Yes.

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Rebecca Gordon: security off, that's.

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Amanda Walsh: Yes.

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Rebecca Gordon: Play the card of the year.

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Amanda Walsh: Part of the year.

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Rebecca Gordon: So much wisdom in the foal.

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Amanda Walsh: Yes. Rebecca, you are going to be teaching a mastery class for the Inner Circle. Can you tell us what it's about?

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Rebecca Gordon: Sure. It is about ecosystems, your nature code.

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Rebecca Gordon: I am a huge nature lover, and since I can remember, I have always really connected to astrology through nature, and I've… I leaned deeply into the elements to create stories. But not just like, oh, you're air, fire, earth, or water, and what do you have an imbalance of? Not that straight. I would go into your unique ecology.

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Rebecca Gordon: Of your chart, what that looks like on the planet.

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Rebecca Gordon: What is the genius of that ecology? Why is it there?

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Rebecca Gordon: How do you feel when you're in that? To really understand your role.

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Rebecca Gordon: how that ecology relates to other ecologies, its purpose. So we look at you as nature. You are Earth. You are not separate from this earth. You and I are made up of the Earth. So it's really…

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Rebecca Gordon: Inspired a lot by the Bond tradition in Tibetan medicine, I love Tibetan medicine, and many, many years ago, it started, actually.

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Rebecca Gordon: I went to go see an exhibit at the Rubin Museum in New York, and it was all about the Bond tradition, which was so fascinating, where you see these maps of the human body, and the winds, and the fires, and they really have this beautiful way of seeing a human as Earth, as nature, air, earth, fire, and water.

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Rebecca Gordon: And that was their way of diagnosing and looking at health. So…

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Rebecca Gordon: I'm also a medical astrologer, so I certainly use that in my medical astrology.

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Rebecca Gordon: Though it's also the way I look at health in general, because I can't decouple medical astrology from regular astrology and life.

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Rebecca Gordon: Right. So my workshop is going to be about how to use my ecosystems method, and also how to work with clients with that method. It's a wonderful way to talk about relationships, career choices, or anything, really, using ecologies.

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Rebecca Gordon: And it also puts you in a different relationship to nature. I think about a lot, like.

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Rebecca Gordon: how the words we use, and how that builds the architecture of our life. So, it's the most important choice you make, the words you use when you're talking with your client, and that you are building a beautiful and expansive architecture for them.

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Rebecca Gordon: So, for me, the way I envisioned to do that was through nature, and if they could see themselves as this magnificent ecosystem, and know how to keep it in balance, what's necessary, what can throw it out of balance, what to watch out for.

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Rebecca Gordon: you start to respect, value yourself, and the planet in a whole new way. So it really puts us into a new symbiotic relationship with ourselves, each other, and nature, and that's mostly how I do all of my sessions, and that's how I've been reading charts for 20 years.

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Rebecca Gordon: So, I'm just sharing, kind of, my method.

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Amanda Walsh: That's so cool, I cannot wait for that. And any of you out there, well, Inner Circle members, you're gonna get access to that here in about a week. And then, any of you who have been considering the Inner Circle, now is the perfect time, because we are in our annual promotional period. So you can join for monthly, annual, or lifetime, 50% off right now. And so, if you did join soon, you would get

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Amanda Walsh: participate in Rebecca's month. You'll get her new moon forecast, her full moon forecast, and you'll get this mastery class teaching, as well as a live chart demonstration and Q&A. So every month, that's what the astrologers do. So Rebecca is up next. We have some awesome bonuses during this promotional period right now, so it's a great time to jump into the inner circle, and if you've been kind of on the fence.

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Amanda Walsh: you can try it. You can always try the inner circle, see if it's right for you, and if there's no contract when you join the monthly membership, so if you get in and you go, well, this isn't for me, then you can always leave. But if you like to stay, you get to learn from a different astrologer every month, and Rebecca will be the first one that you learn from. She's also going to be featured on the

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Amanda Walsh: free forecast panel that we have January 20th and 21st, which is going to be featuring about 6 astrologers. We're going to have 2 days of conversations about 2026. One of my favorite parts about that event is that the astrologers start to build

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Amanda Walsh: Off of the concepts together, and often what comes out is organic, amazing ideas that

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Amanda Walsh: are kind of, like, collective ideas from each day. So, I think you're all gonna love that, too. This is our 10th annual forecast, our 10th annual year ahead forecast. So, you can join that at astrologyhub.com slash

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Amanda Walsh: Let's see.

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Amanda Walsh: Shoot.

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Amanda Walsh: Let me see if I have links! Do I have links, Katie?

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Katie: It's 2026 Fortis.

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Rebecca Gordon: One thing I want to do again.

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Katie: dot com slash 2026 forecast.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay, and then, and then what about Inner Circle? Just Inner Circle?

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Katie: Yes.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay, alright.

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Amanda Walsh: So, if you want to join that forecast event, you can go to astrologyhub.com slash 2026 forecast. That one's totally free. If you are ready to jump into the inner circle, you can go to astrologyhub.com slash inner circle. Check it out, and join us sometime during this promotional period, which will end at the end of January.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay.

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Amanda Walsh: Something else you wanted to say, Rebecca?

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Rebecca Gordon: Oh, was that the end?

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Amanda Walsh: It doesn't have to be. No, no, no. Okay. Yeah. Okay, I didn't know if that was a commercial break or the end. Kinda, I mean, it's like a commercial break in the middle of the thing, and then we'll have an end.

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay, can I take a quick bathroom break?

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Amanda Walsh: Yes, yes!

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: right back. I just drank so much water right before.

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Amanda Walsh: Oh my god, yes.

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Rebecca Gordon: I'll be right back.

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Rebecca Gordon: I just realized, we didn't talk about Uranus and Gemini, or the eclipses.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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Amanda Walsh: It's okay, we have… I mean, this is a 2026 prep series, so there's been, like, you know, we'll have a series of astrologers coming on, plus we can talk about the forecast.

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah. Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: I mean, was there… hold on one second.

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Rebecca Gordon: I didn't mean to turn that off.

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Rebecca Gordon: I feel like… those dates I went through at the…

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Rebecca Gordon: beginning. I should have done in order, but I don't know what you think.

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Amanda Walsh: Well, you kinda did, eventually.

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Rebecca Gordon: Yeah.

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Amanda Walsh: Right? Yeah, you did. So, I'm thinking… because Katie will be doing a bunch of content editing to make it all come together perfectly, so maybe she would decide to take the going backwards part out, but it didn't…

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Amanda Walsh: I felt like it worked backwards.

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay, yeah. And also, I remember there was, like, something that I did two answers to. You can keep both of them if you want to put them together. Like, the first one's okay, too, like…

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Amanda Walsh: Yes. I'm not against that. Yes. Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: I'm just, like, on little sleep, so I feel like I'm not my best for whatever reason.

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Amanda Walsh: You're doing awesome. You really are. Like, we've got some…

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Amanda Walsh: serious gems. Like, there's tons of, like, very divine… Downloads.

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Amanda Walsh: But I know how you feel, like, those days where you're like, I'm just not quite where I normally am, but it's still coming off really awesome.

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Rebecca Gordon: Okay, cool.

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Amanda Walsh: The energy to form one sentence is a lot of… I know! I can see it, I can see it, yes, yes. We'll edit and, like, make it all come together really seamless. Any pauses, don't worry about any of that stuff. Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: We… I don't know if you wanna… we could…

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Rebecca Gordon: I think it's interesting that if we talk about innovation, like, the last time Uranus

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Rebecca Gordon: And, Pluto, we're both in air last, the 1890s, when we created the Hertz frequency, when we started to trust things that we could not see.

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Amanda Walsh: Cool.

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Rebecca Gordon: And this is the second level of that, like, second installation of the two…

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Rebecca Gordon: you know, Uranus and Pluto are the two big evolutionary planets.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay.

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Rebecca Gordon: I think.

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Amanda Walsh: So, how, how would you, how would you like me to word that question?

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Rebecca Gordon: I, I think it's just, like, a, extension of, like, everything…

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Rebecca Gordon: going into air and giving a context. It's like, we're talking about everything entering, like, air and fire, like, is there another time?

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Rebecca Gordon: If we just want context for this, like, okay, so what kind of things go down when they're both in there? And…

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Rebecca Gordon: what was it? I'm just trying to,

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Rebecca Gordon: What was… I don't… I don't exactly… was it… I don't remember what was where, but they were both in air for sure, so maybe I don't have to… I can… I can ask chat that and find out if you need… hold on. If we're gonna bring it up, or I can look it up.

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Rebecca Gordon: Let me see… probably looking it up, it's safer, right? I feel like you can't trust chat, right?

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Amanda Walsh: I know.

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Amanda Walsh: Like, I just… I know.

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Rebecca Gordon: No. Sometimes it's good, and sometimes it's not. I, like, trust Google so much more now. Like, when I really want to know something, I'm like.

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Rebecca Gordon: I'm gonna Google, cause…

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Amanda Walsh: No.

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Rebecca Gordon: Well… Yeah.

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Amanda Walsh: I think when it comes to astrology information, for sure.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah, that chat GPT definitely messes things up.

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Rebecca Gordon: Let's see… Let's see, though.

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Rebecca Gordon: What sign was Uranus in, and what sign was Pluto in?

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Rebecca Gordon: When they were both in air signs in the 1890s.

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Rebecca Gordon: If you make it very specific… Yeah.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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Rebecca Gordon: If you give it too much information, it'll botch it, but…

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Rebecca Gordon: I'm excited for, like, what's going to be happening with, like, sound and light frequency healing and all of that. I feel like we're gonna be able to see a lot more.

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Rebecca Gordon: We've… Okay, Uranus was in Libra…

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Rebecca Gordon: And Pluto is in Gemini. There.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay. Alright, so let's talk about one more major transit for 2026, which is Uranus moving into Gemini, and then also Pluto being in Aquarius, so now they're both in air signs. Is there any, indication from past history

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Amanda Walsh: about what happens when Pluto and Uranus are in air signs.

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Rebecca Gordon: There absolutely is, and just Uranus in air signs itself

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Rebecca Gordon: creates always an entirely new way to travel, like the automobile, or a new way to communicate. But specifically, when they're both in air signs, it's…

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Rebecca Gordon: fascinating. Last time I checked, it was the 1890s, and this is when we created the Hertz frequency, or we discovered Hertz frequency, and we began to trust things that which we could not see, which was huge.

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Rebecca Gordon: So, sending sound waves, the phonograph, and…

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Rebecca Gordon: before that, if it's real, if it's tangible, I trust it. And this is the second installation of that, so perhaps there will be a lot more that we are soon able to see that we were not previously.

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Amanda Walsh: That is exciting. I know for an audience like that, like we have, that is really interesting and exciting news.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah. Rebecca, is there anything you want to leave us with before we sign out?

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Rebecca Gordon: Well…

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Rebecca Gordon: with all of these planets entering Aries, I would say, just do it. Like, you know, if it's not us, it's someone else, and it might as well be you. It might as well be you. You can channel the energy of Saturn and Neptune and Aries.

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Rebecca Gordon: Uranus and Gemini, take a risk, try something new, get out of the old rut. It's like you walk across the bridge.

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Rebecca Gordon: And the bridge falls into the water. So, we're in an entirely new landscape now. This is the hard reset, so…

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Rebecca Gordon: I like your metaphor, Amanda, of the Fool with this as well. It is, like, in the spirit of playfulness and the Fool, especially as Jupiter goes into Leo.

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Amanda Walsh: So good. All right, Rebecca, thank you so much for being here with us. I'm excited to have several occasions to hang out with you in the near future as our Inner Circle Guide, and then also as one of the panelists for the forecast event on January 20th and 21st. So thank you so much for being here with us, and just cannot wait to

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Amanda Walsh: Learn more from you in the next few weeks.

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Rebecca Gordon: Thank you, it's been so much fun to talk with you here. Thanks.

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Amanda Walsh: You too. All right. And thank you all for being here. Thank you for being…

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Amanda Walsh: Thank you all for being here, thank you for being a part of our community. Thank you, as always, for making astrology a part of your life. We will catch you on the next episode, and all the links that we talked about will be put into the show notes, so go check those out now.

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Amanda Walsh: Okay.

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Amanda Walsh: All right.

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Rebecca Gordon: I'm sorry I interrupted you, can we do that again, the end?

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Amanda Walsh: It's okay, I did.

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Amanda Walsh: I did, I did, like, the part where you interrupted, I just did that over again.

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01:13:13.240 –> 01:13:13.860
Rebecca Gordon: Okay.

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01:13:13.860 –> 01:13:14.300
Amanda Walsh: Yeah, yeah.

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01:13:14.300 –> 01:13:21.379
Rebecca Gordon: Do you want to ask me that… sorry, Amanda, do you want to ask me that question again? I feel like my answer was so long-winded.

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01:13:21.560 –> 01:13:22.230
Amanda Walsh: Really?

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01:13:22.790 –> 01:13:29.159
Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, like, I don't want to end them like the fool, like, they're just gonna be like, what? Like, they're not like that, sorry, I just realized.

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01:13:29.160 –> 01:13:31.289
Amanda Walsh: Okay, okay, okay. So the question…

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01:13:31.290 –> 01:13:36.109
Rebecca Gordon: Let me just do that again. Okay, yes. I like what you said.

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Amanda Walsh: Personally. We can always take that full part out, but we… I love what you said, but I'll ask you to…

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Rebecca Gordon: I just don't think they want to end it. I feel like they want to… people are just… a lot of people are into astrology, I think, because they want some clarity and direction, they want to know what's going on, and they don't… you know, I think there's a sense of,

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Rebecca Gordon: I mean, I like Layla, I like the goddess of play and all that stuff, for sure. But I think they're wanting this.

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01:14:04.200 –> 01:14:04.900
Amanda Walsh: Something more grounded.

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01:14:04.900 –> 01:14:06.339
Rebecca Gordon: Let me bring it down, yeah.

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01:14:06.340 –> 01:14:10.970
Amanda Walsh: Okay, alright. So, Rebecca, is there anything that you would want to leave the audience with?

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01:14:12.890 –> 01:14:27.360
Rebecca Gordon: Well, I would say you want to follow suit. So, with all of these outer planets in Aries, Aquarius, and Gemini, first of all, I would say it is the spirit of taking action.

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01:14:27.360 –> 01:14:35.820
Rebecca Gordon: If you have an idea, do it. Just do it is the model of Aries, and I would say with Jupiter and Leo, be courageous.

627
01:14:36.150 –> 01:14:40.339
Rebecca Gordon: This is about self-trust and taking a risk.

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01:14:40.450 –> 01:14:41.590
Rebecca Gordon: So…

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01:14:45.940 –> 01:14:47.750
Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, that's it. Just take it right.

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01:14:47.750 –> 01:14:59.219
Amanda Walsh: It's perfect, it's perfect, it's so good. I mean, that alone, like, if you're thinking of something, and someone says, take the risk, it's like, okay, that's just green light permission.

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Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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01:15:01.020 –> 01:15:07.029
Rebecca Gordon: I'll just end it with taking risks. I'll say one more thing. I'll just add one more sentence onto that.

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01:15:08.260 –> 01:15:21.699
Rebecca Gordon: This is not a time to stay stuck in your old ruts, and even if you tried, I don't think this current planetary sky would allow you to. It is literally pushing you out.

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01:15:21.730 –> 01:15:31.279
Rebecca Gordon: And this zero degrees Aries point is no joke. It is a hard reset for us all to get up and move on. So, I'm…

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01:15:31.400 –> 01:15:33.619
Rebecca Gordon: I'm actually looking forward to this.

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01:15:34.180 –> 01:15:35.060
Amanda Walsh: Amazing.

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01:15:37.080 –> 01:15:40.120
Amanda Walsh: Perfect. Okay. That's a wrap.

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01:15:40.120 –> 01:15:41.249
Rebecca Gordon: Whatever you want with that.

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01:15:41.250 –> 01:15:42.070
Amanda Walsh: Thanks, sorry.

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01:15:42.070 –> 01:15:50.439
Rebecca Gordon: Usually I'm a little more of a one-take person. I feel like last time we just went straight through, like, I was fine, but I'm sorry, I haven't.

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01:15:50.440 –> 01:15:58.980
Amanda Walsh: Rebecca, it's gonna be so good. Please don't worry. Like, I know when there's… when there is enough great content in an episode, I know it.

642
01:15:59.100 –> 01:16:01.250
Amanda Walsh: That is one of those. I promise.

643
01:16:01.420 –> 01:16:02.010
Amanda Walsh: It's good.

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01:16:02.010 –> 01:16:03.290
Rebecca Gordon: I trust you, Amanda. Yes.

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01:16:03.290 –> 01:16:13.499
Amanda Walsh: Okay, good. We'll make you look amazing, and sound amazing, and it's… there's just so much good stuff in there, don't… please don't worry. But I… I also know how it feels

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01:16:13.720 –> 01:16:19.380
Amanda Walsh: the difference. Like, you know it in your body, like, how it feels when you're, like, just on and streaming.

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01:16:19.530 –> 01:16:22.470
Amanda Walsh: But it still comes across good, so don't worry about it.

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01:16:22.650 –> 01:16:28.480
Rebecca Gordon: this Saturn opposing your stuff is no joke. Like, it definitely, like, changes your confidence level.

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01:16:28.480 –> 01:16:29.230
Amanda Walsh: and Saturn and Moon.

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01:16:29.230 –> 01:16:33.039
Rebecca Gordon: Is everything, like, I realized I used to be, like, just more confident in general.

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01:16:33.040 –> 01:16:33.550
Amanda Walsh: Oh.

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01:16:33.550 –> 01:16:37.030
Rebecca Gordon: I always feel like… I'm like, it's… it does something.

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01:16:37.030 –> 01:16:37.640
Amanda Walsh: Spectacular.

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01:16:37.640 –> 01:16:41.160
Rebecca Gordon: I definitely feel… have you ever… yeah, you've had Saturn oppose your stuff.

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01:16:41.390 –> 01:16:42.680
Amanda Walsh: I have, right?

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01:16:42.680 –> 01:16:44.329
Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, you're 20… you're over 29.

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01:16:44.330 –> 01:16:45.100
Amanda Walsh: Okay.

658
01:16:45.100 –> 01:16:46.669
Rebecca Gordon: You've had batter to pose everything.

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01:16:46.670 –> 01:16:48.990
Amanda Walsh: I'm excited to put my stuff. Yeah.

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01:16:48.990 –> 01:16:50.929
Rebecca Gordon: He changes things.

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01:16:50.930 –> 01:16:51.550
Amanda Walsh: Yes.

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01:16:51.550 –> 01:16:52.210
Rebecca Gordon: I don't know.

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01:16:52.210 –> 01:16:53.070
Amanda Walsh: Yes.

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01:16:53.190 –> 01:16:58.560
Amanda Walsh: Well, I think you're magnificent and amazing, and I love listening to you talk.

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01:16:58.780 –> 01:17:16.499
Rebecca Gordon: Well, I love talking with you. I feel like you're so easy to chat with. I don't know, like, probably everybody tells you that, but, like, I've talked to other interviewers and people, and I think that you're so curious about life, and you really care, like, it's…

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01:17:16.670 –> 01:17:33.880
Rebecca Gordon: it's… I feel like I can go anywhere with you. You're, like, the perfect interviewer. I had, like, MarketWatch come over my house, like, a few weeks ago, and they were terrible, and she was so uninterested, and so not curious about life or anything, and I was just like, how can you be a reporter? How can you be an interviewer? And, like.

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01:17:33.880 –> 01:17:35.480
Amanda Walsh: Oh, God.

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01:17:35.480 –> 01:17:46.519
Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, and, like, you're… you're, like, I don't know how you learn this, if it's just, like, natural traits, but it's such a gift, the way that you communicate and connect.

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Amanda Walsh: Thank you. Thank you. It's to… it is 100% curiosity and true caring, like, I have no training in journalism or whatever.

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01:17:57.300 –> 01:17:58.800
Amanda Walsh: Yeah. You'd be surprised.

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01:17:58.800 –> 01:18:02.420
Rebecca Gordon: Where all these journalism kids are like, they really don't care.

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01:18:02.420 –> 01:18:14.599
Amanda Walsh: Oh my god. It's so weird to me. Like, how can you, like, be doing this job and not, like, A, love talking to people, and B, love, like, exploring ideas, and… I mean, that's, like, the whole point.

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01:18:15.330 –> 01:18:25.569
Rebecca Gordon: The videographer told the interviewer, they were like, you have to seem interested. She even told her that, like, on the set, she was like, say that again and act interested.

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01:18:26.270 –> 01:18:36.269
Rebecca Gordon: It was so… these kids, like, she was, like, really, like, just out of college and all, but, like, wouldn't you be excited? Like, you're at an astrologer's house.

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01:18:36.270 –> 01:18:39.780
Amanda Walsh: talking about money cycles, like… Oh my god!

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01:18:40.340 –> 01:18:49.810
Rebecca Gordon: I had so much stuff prepared, and she was just like, well, I don't believe, I don't know if I believe. I'm like, well, just be curious, like…

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01:18:49.810 –> 01:18:56.279
Amanda Walsh: That must suck to be interviewed, to, like, be on the receiving end of that. That must just…

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01:18:56.450 –> 01:19:05.310
Amanda Walsh: suck. Like, yeah? I mean, did you just… they left, and you were like… I mean, do you… do you ever have an interview like that, and you're just like, please don't air that?

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01:19:05.670 –> 01:19:07.370
Rebecca Gordon: It was the worst.

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01:19:07.560 –> 01:19:08.719
Rebecca Gordon: But, I mean…

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01:19:08.720 –> 01:19:09.040
Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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01:19:09.040 –> 01:19:14.870
Rebecca Gordon: I did not know. And then she was like, tell me about my chart and money, and I was like…

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01:19:16.000 –> 01:19:33.669
Rebecca Gordon: you can be impulsive and make, you know, impulse-wise, and this… and it was just, like, true. She was like, yeah, exactly, I spend too much money, I make impulse buys, yeah, I mean, that was… like… but… and I don't think she liked that. You know, I mean, it just… it just got worse and worse. But that's not… I was just telling her the truth. I know she wanted me to say something…

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01:19:33.670 –> 01:19:34.120
Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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01:19:34.120 –> 01:19:34.790
Rebecca Gordon: Nice.

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01:19:34.790 –> 01:19:40.680
Amanda Walsh: You're gonna be so wealthy. You're gonna be the… you're gonna be a billionaire by the time you're 25.

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01:19:41.090 –> 01:19:43.320
Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

688
01:19:43.320 –> 01:19:44.220
Rebecca Gordon: Anyway…

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01:19:44.220 –> 01:19:44.840
Amanda Walsh: No, that was…

690
01:19:44.840 –> 01:19:48.870
Rebecca Gordon: relief. Like, it's so refreshing and wonderful to talk to you, like…

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01:19:48.870 –> 01:19:49.340
Amanda Walsh: So glad.

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01:19:49.340 –> 01:19:51.449
Rebecca Gordon: Thank you.

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01:19:51.450 –> 01:19:51.960
Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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01:19:51.960 –> 01:19:52.400
Rebecca Gordon: Thank you.

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01:19:52.400 –> 01:19:54.130
Amanda Walsh: Yes, please rest.

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01:19:54.330 –> 01:19:56.529
Amanda Walsh: Go get some sleep, right?

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01:19:56.810 –> 01:20:07.270
Amanda Walsh: Yeah, and Katie's brilliant at, the content editing piece and moving things around, so it just has, like, a nice flow, and everything just goes together very cohesively.

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01:20:07.710 –> 01:20:15.330
Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, that sounds good. I did get some… yeah, it was really good to see the YouTube. I hadn't seen it until last week. I saw that.

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01:20:15.330 –> 01:20:15.700
Amanda Walsh: What?

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01:20:15.700 –> 01:20:19.860
Rebecca Gordon: comments. Yeah, I don't like to listen too much.

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01:20:19.860 –> 01:20:20.540
Amanda Walsh: I know.

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01:20:20.540 –> 01:20:26.970
Rebecca Gordon: Yeah. I was like, because I talked with you all, and you're like, oh yeah, check it out, somebody is there.

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01:20:26.970 –> 01:20:27.310
Amanda Walsh: Yeah.

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01:20:27.550 –> 01:20:33.179
Rebecca Gordon: they sent me the link, I was like, wow, and I read all the comments, it was really good to read all of that.

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01:20:33.180 –> 01:20:33.830
Amanda Walsh: Yes.

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01:20:34.300 –> 01:20:48.000
Rebecca Gordon: I… yeah, I mean, and then somebody said… it was… I wish more people would be like, actually, I don't mind criticism, that's my love language. Like, somebody was like, oh, she's not giving enough specific examples, and I'm like, noted.

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01:20:48.420 –> 01:20:53.290
Rebecca Gordon: Or specific, specificity. Wow. Wow.

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01:20:53.290 –> 01:20:55.179
Amanda Walsh: Criticism is your love language?

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01:20:55.180 –> 01:21:04.650
Rebecca Gordon: Well, I love… I mean, I love it. I love when somebody can, like, see where, like, okay, I don't… yeah, a sandwich. Deliver like a sandwich, sure.

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01:21:04.650 –> 01:21:05.230
Amanda Walsh: Right.

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01:21:05.230 –> 01:21:13.570
Rebecca Gordon: But in the middle, I want, like, okay, you see the best, but show me how it can be better. Yeah. Okay, this is what's good, but here, if you just do this…

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01:21:14.110 –> 01:21:16.159
Amanda Walsh: Do you have a lot of Scorpio in your chart?

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01:21:16.550 –> 01:21:17.590
Rebecca Gordon: No.

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01:21:17.630 –> 01:21:21.770
Amanda Walsh: My daughter has a bunch of Scorpio, and I…

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01:21:21.880 –> 01:21:25.479
Amanda Walsh: I… she's also like that, so I was like, maybe that's…

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01:21:25.480 –> 01:21:27.779
Rebecca Gordon: Oh, does she have any Virgo? I have a.

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01:21:27.780 –> 01:21:29.859
Amanda Walsh: Yeah, well, her Saturn's in Virgo.

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01:21:29.860 –> 01:21:35.779
Rebecca Gordon: Me too, Saturn's in Virgo. Oh, okay, that's probably it, though. Yeah. Yeah. She loves her criticism.

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Amanda Walsh: loves it. She's like, don't tell me what I did good in my performance, like, tell me what I need to work on. I'm like, okay. Oh, that's a Saturn and Virgo thing, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, okay.

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01:21:43.810 –> 01:21:46.090
Rebecca Gordon: Exactly, because you want to perfect it.

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01:21:46.090 –> 01:21:57.680
Amanda Walsh: Yes, you want it to be the best it can possibly be, so that, yeah, I can see why that feedback is gold. Yeah. Okay, my dear, well, we will see you very soon for all the fun things coming up.

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01:21:57.680 –> 01:22:03.090
Rebecca Gordon: Yeah, I'm so excited about it, and thank you for inviting me into the inner circle and everything.

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01:22:03.090 –> 01:22:06.360
Amanda Walsh: Yes, are you gonna be in, Chicago? At UAC?

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01:22:07.140 –> 01:22:08.339
Rebecca Gordon: No, I'm not.

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01:22:08.340 –> 01:22:09.000
Amanda Walsh: You're not?

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01:22:11.410 –> 01:22:14.480
Rebecca Gordon: I mean, wait, what is it again?

727
01:22:15.100 –> 01:22:17.779
Amanda Walsh: It's… It's the very beginning of September.

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01:22:19.430 –> 01:22:24.570
Rebecca Gordon: Well, okay, are we record… well, what happened was… I had an.

 

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