[2026 Prep Series] Penny Thornton on the cycles, turning points & global shifts shaping next year
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🎬 IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR:
- 01:00 — 2026 overview and what it’s asking of us
- 13:15 — Saturn Neptune conjunction
- 21:41 — January & February as the power period for 2026
- 29:09 — Importance of July 2026
- 34:00 — What to do during all of this change
- 42:01 — Uranus, Neptune, & Pluto configuration
- 55:28 — Sneak Peek into Penny’s mastery class topic for the Inner Circle
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Penny Thornton is an astrologer and author. Classically trained by the Faculty of Astrological Studies in London, she was awarded its Diploma in 1977. Over the years, she has taught and lectured in the UK, Europe, Australia, and North America, and she now offers her own introductory course on astrology. Her clients come from all over the world and all walks of life. In 2019 she began a weekly video series on YouTube, bringing real astrology to the masses.
Penny has had eight books published including Synastry, the astrology of relationships – considered a benchmark in the industry- and most recently The Astrology Handbook.
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🫶 “This year is about atonement – about recognizing where we’ve gone wrong and having the courage to make it right.” – Penny Thornton
Transcript:
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:21:03
Unknown
If you had to choose a theme for 2026, what would you say that theme is? It's a lot about atonement because of the reality of what's happening in the world. We still have some really big mountains to climb. Sometimes these changes are happening so fast that we haven't even caught up with the last one before the next one's coming in.
00:00:21:05 – 00:00:46:04
Unknown
The Saturn Neptune conjunction is very, very interesting and you do get an erosion of boundaries, but you also get a restructuring of ideas. Tell us how you are seeing this February 17th solar eclipse. That period is short, sharp and shocking. Yes, I think it's an opportunity really, to break down fear. A lot of these things are kind of out of our control.
00:00:46:05 – 00:00:59:24
Unknown
The only things we can hope to control our things about ourselves. One of the things we are here to learn is how to get beyond fear. And we didn't come here to be paralyzed and stuck in small.
00:00:59:24 – 00:01:27:20
Unknown
so if you're anything like me, you are wondering about the year ahead. It's always around this time of year that I start going, I wonder what the astrological energies are next year. I also start to get asked that by a lot of family and friends. Hey, what's going on next year? And especially right now? I don't know about you, but I'm also feeling that there is something really big coming in the year ahead.
00:01:27:20 – 00:01:31:07
Unknown
And so today, I am thrilled that we have Penny Thornton,
00:01:31:07 – 00:01:50:23
Unknown
who is making her Astrology Hub debut the podcast debut. She is also going to be featured in our Inner Circle membership for the first time ever. So we are all going to be getting to know Penny together. I'm sure a lot of you already know her. She has been a, very world renowned astrologer for many, many years.
00:01:51:00 – 00:02:09:17
Unknown
And Penny, I'm just so happy to welcome you to the Astrology Podcast. Oh, lovely to be here. And to meet you too, Amanda. Yes. Okay, so, Penny, let's just dive in. If you had to choose a theme for 2026, what would you say that theme is?
00:02:09:17 – 00:02:24:08
Unknown
Oh my goodness, I don't have a single word for it. But I know one of the words that came up as I was looking at the configurations and figuring things out, that it's a lot about atonement.
00:02:24:10 – 00:02:51:23
Unknown
Just one word. Atonement. But it's a lot of other things. And at this time of year, because I still do quite a lot of kind of popular astrology, then this is been really since about September, and they've been all the year ahead to do some magazine. So you have to make it very simple. You know, you can't go into deep psychological troughs and, you know, mess around in there where we like to be.
00:02:52:00 – 00:03:15:04
Unknown
You have to keep it simple. You have to say what you mean. And I found particularly well last year and this year when I was looking at what I call the overview, that's to say, let's have a look at how years a picture, that, I felt that well, last year was a year. Well, this year, the one we're in right now, it was a year like no other.
00:03:15:06 – 00:03:42:02
Unknown
And I would say the next year if we thought this one was a year like no other, then next year surpasses that one. Yes. So but I also think the fact everything is moving so fast, well, situations are moving very fast. I mean, just recently after, really two years of, war in Gaza, really that just sort of stopped.
00:03:42:04 – 00:04:05:01
Unknown
I mean, has it really stopped? We don't know, but officially, there was all that razzmatazz about it's over, we sign this agreement, it's all done. And that all seemed to come out of nowhere in a half a day. So a lot of things that's very illustrative of the things that happen very quickly. And before you can catch your breath to ask what it all means, you moved on to the next thing.
00:04:05:03 – 00:04:41:21
Unknown
I think we're finding that in our individual lives, exactly the same. We don't have the time to react to some of the things happening in our lives, because the next wave of something has already come in, so we're already going forward. So the the other thing that I thought was important was that I think 2020 January 2020, the Saturn-Pluto conjunction, the lunar eclipse that came on the same day, I think, was the 11th of January, was really the time that that changed everything.
00:04:41:21 – 00:05:10:18
Unknown
We're never going back from that January onwards. The world is changing, evolving, and we're never going back. The those were the old days and I thought of that in reference to the year coming up because, we had the Jupiter Pluto conjunction in the November of 2020. And this year in the middle of July, I think it's the 20th of July.
00:05:10:18 – 00:05:40:14
Unknown
We've got the Jupiter Pluto opposition. So we've got these two planets that began this cycle in 2020. They're now halfway through. And that is a big theme for the year because Jupiter and Pluto together very, very interesting, very, very powerful combination. If you just use key words, you know, you've got expansion for Jupiter. And you know, with Pluto you've got, transformation.
00:05:40:14 – 00:05:56:13
Unknown
So you put those two words together to go transformation, expansion. So I think it would, an astrologer, I'm sure, you know, and he died not well, but 2011, I think he died. Alan White
00:05:56:13 – 00:06:01:11
Unknown
he talked about the Jupiter Pluto conjunction
00:06:01:11 – 00:06:19:02
Unknown
and said it makes big things smaller and small things bigger. And I think that what happened in 2020 with Covid, which was the really big signature on that year because everything changed for everyone in the world with that.
00:06:19:02 – 00:06:49:00
Unknown
So we had this June with the Saturn-Pluto conjunction, but a little bit bedrock. We had the Jupiter Pluto conjunction and we certainly what what that I think put his signature on it was that for the first time, the vaccination technique, these RNA I think that calls were delivered on Mars. They weren't new in the sense they didn't get developed in that Jupiter Pluto conjunction.
00:06:49:06 – 00:07:37:22
Unknown
Yeah, but they got used on Mars and we learned how to do so. If we now come to the halfway point, the Jupiter Pluto opposition in July of 2026, there is definitely going to be a tick back to 2020 Covid, treatment scandals. What we learned, what we didn't learn, who was to blame, what happened. That's certainly going to be one of the features that we're going to encounter, because whenever we look at these big cycles, when we think about, you know, the Saturn Neptune conjunction set Neptune opposition, it don't begins with the conjunction.
00:07:37:22 – 00:08:08:22
Unknown
And we go back to the conjunction as a reference point, because there's always a reference to the beginning. And so I'm going to be very interested about all the things to do with 2020 and Covid that are going to give us a resonance to come back, in the middle of July of this year. That's the first thing I wanted to talk about as as well as the idea that everything is changed.
00:08:08:22 – 00:08:32:16
Unknown
Then I think people really need to get that under their belts. And not just astrologers, but just everybody. You know, we're not going back to the good old days. I mean, whatever we thought about life, however green and, we always had possibilities. We're always endless, really. Somehow. Oh, yeah. We'll go to Hawaii.
00:08:32:16 – 00:08:35:01
Unknown
Oh, you live in Hawaii next year.
00:08:35:03 – 00:08:39:19
Unknown
So for us, that would be huge. But we'd make plans like that and think about that,
00:08:39:19 – 00:09:08:18
Unknown
and we'd go shopping and everything seemed to be governed by possibilities. But really, 2020 changed all that because we suddenly realized there was some things in life that were bigger than us and things that we couldn't control, and we had to either, be, you know, we had to be, on lockdown or our children didn't go to school.
00:09:08:23 – 00:09:23:00
Unknown
There were so many things that happened that we had to redefine our lives. And I think this the fear factor that Covid generated hasn't entirely left us.
00:09:23:02 – 00:09:51:03
Unknown
And if you think on from there and we go to 2022 and we think about the Saturn, Uranus square and we think about Pluto's invasion of Ukraine, my personal belief is that he had fully intended to go much earlier. He probably would have gone in 2020, because the Saturn Pluto conjunction has a lot about reforming reformation, the reforming of the lands.
00:09:51:03 – 00:10:18:22
Unknown
So you get a lot of land grabs and changes. So I feel that he probably didn't intend to go in February of 2022, but you know that that was what he did because he wanted to do it sooner or later so that war is still ongoing. By the time we got to 2023, I think the Tober the seventh, we then had the start of the, war in Gaza.
00:10:18:22 – 00:10:57:13
Unknown
So there'd been a lot of things that have happened that and I think that astrologers have, struggled with this in the sense of the message they're trying to give out, because all astrologers want to give out messages of hope. And also of purpose and strengths and all those things that make us feel really good. So, you know, we're moving forwards, but in many ways, because of the the reality of what's happening in the world, we still have some really big mountains to climb.
00:10:57:15 – 00:11:08:06
Unknown
And I think in 2026 we're going to climb a couple of very, very big mountains so I can go on.
00:11:08:06 – 00:11:26:19
Unknown
But just in case you want to stop me and say, my goodness, I love the way you threaded together 2020 and brought in the resonance of what's happening now, and that you're drawing our attention to that because. Because it does seem and to.
00:11:26:19 – 00:11:29:18
Unknown
And tell me if you agree with this or not, penny, that
00:11:29:18 – 00:11:57:02
Unknown
we're in like a decade long period of massive transformation, I mean, transformation at the level that humanity perhaps has never seen before. I mean, I don't know that for a fact, but it seems like just so big. And I remember an astrologer in 2019 saying that 2020 would become like year zero, like it was such a big restart moment for us.
00:11:57:04 – 00:12:19:01
Unknown
And so to hear you threading it back into what is going to be happening in 2026 is, I think, really important for us to, to, to be present with and to be with and also just to to know that if it seems like a lot for you, it is, you know, this is a really big time. So you're not alone in that.
00:12:19:03 – 00:12:24:11
Unknown
You're not going crazy in that it really is. A lot of change and transformation. Like you said, Penny,
00:12:24:11 – 00:12:35:22
Unknown
sometimes these changes are happening so fast that we haven't even caught up with the last one before the next one's coming in. And so for the nervous system, that's just that's a lot to hold. It definitely is.
00:12:35:22 – 00:12:38:07
Unknown
And I think you're right about the decade.
00:12:38:07 – 00:13:02:15
Unknown
I think it's right to think of 2020 at the start point and 2030 as a sort of ending, whether that's the end of the beginning or the beginning of, you know, whatever it is, I think that ten year span is a good way of looking at it. In other words, we're right in the middle of that. And I think another phrase that I thought of in the said so, well, what about this year?
00:13:02:17 – 00:13:26:14
Unknown
I was going to say we're in the thick of what? We're really neck of it. Yes, we're in the thick of it. Yes. And yes. And, I want to come back and talk now about the Saturn Neptune conjunction. They talked about the Jupiter Pluto conjunction. Yes. And so so Jupiter Pluto conjunction is in July of 2026 and that is Jupiter.
00:13:26:14 – 00:13:45:01
Unknown
Pluto opposition. I'm sorry. Yes. Oh yeah. Yep. Yes. Pluto uprising. And that's the one that is harkening back to 2020. The next one you're going to talk about Saturn Neptune conjunct in February of 2026 at zero degrees of Aries is something entirely different. So let's talk about this. Yes.
00:13:45:01 – 00:13:51:00
Unknown
And this is really important because, during 2025, we came very, very close.
00:13:51:00 – 00:14:19:20
Unknown
I mean, it was within minutes, 12 minutes. I think Neptune and Saturn were in conjunction, but it was quite get then. But they are going to get there until February the 20th. Now the interesting thing about that, and I will come back to that, is that on February the 17th, there is a little, a solar eclipse. So, you know, we've got things banging up against one another.
00:14:19:22 – 00:14:47:24
Unknown
And I will talk a little bit more about that because I got some PowerPoints, but 2026 of which that that is one. But the Saturn Neptune conjunction is very, very interesting because if again, we use our key keywords, so we think of Neptune as transcendence and and the infinite things that cannot be explained. And then we have Saturn, which is the absolute reverse of that.
00:14:47:24 – 00:15:19:22
Unknown
We've got limits, we've got structure, we've got boundaries. So with these two planets together and you do get an erosion of boundaries, but you also get a restructuring of ideals and of things that are, difficult to conceptualize actually coming into a form. And I think this has been behind some of the extraordinary developments that that the speed with which I has come on board, I think is very illustrative and responsive to this Saturn Neptune conjunction.
00:15:19:24 – 00:15:40:04
Unknown
And even if you are concerned about, hey, yeah. And you think this is really going to be a bad thing next, computers will take over the world and will be gone. Well, maybe that will happen, but it's also doing a huge amount of good as well and life is changing. We can't put that genie back in the bottle.
00:15:40:06 – 00:16:14:24
Unknown
That's what's happened. So I it's a very clear representation of that Saturn Neptune conjunction, but also with Saturn Neptune conjunctions. And this is given to us historically by just going back through history, we can see that it coincides with the end of regimes. You know, I looked, but I think I did a talk on this earlier in the year and looked at the papacy and the end of the, you know, the so that was the regime, the papacy back in whatever it was, 15.
00:16:14:24 – 00:16:47:00
Unknown
Oh, no, I can't even remember what it was, but was a Saturn at Juke Junction. And if we come a little bit nearer to our present time, the last Saturn Neptune conjunction was in 1989. And, I don't know how old you were at that time and maybe no old enough to appreciate it, but I certainly was. And I remember living through that period and thinking the world had changed, and there was so much hope in the world on that Saturn Neptune conjunction.
00:16:47:02 – 00:17:10:19
Unknown
And the Berlin Wall came down, all these, at people living in East Berlin, sitting across the West Berlin. It was a time when it seemed as though all boundaries, good old Saturn, would have been dissolved. And so it was a time when we thought anything was possible. And within about two years, the entire Soviet Union had collapsed.
00:17:10:21 – 00:17:48:23
Unknown
And again, the hope that now Russia will become part of Europe will become, you know, it wouldn't be. It's isolationist. You know, it's I mean, it is no longer a communist, nation, but communism, destruction, the that has it gone. It's it may be it's communist by another name, but if we go back further than that and we go back to, because this Saturn Neptune conjunction has a very, very strong resonance with Russia.
00:17:49:00 – 00:18:17:08
Unknown
And if you go back to 1953 and the Saturn Neptune conjunction in Libra, Stalin died and that was the end of the Stalin regime. And it is very interesting. I did a little bit of reading up on that because, nobody is 100% sure what you might expect with Neptune anythings exactly why he died. What we know was a hemorrhage and all those things.
00:18:17:10 – 00:18:44:09
Unknown
But that was a for a long time, a belief that he'd been poisoned with water. So the death of Stalin was in mysterious circumstances at the time of the Saturn Neptune conjunction. And, of course, that changed everything for for Russia at that particular time. But further, let's go to 1917, I think it is. And then you got the end of the monarchy.
00:18:44:11 – 00:19:28:07
Unknown
That was the regime, in Kane, political regimes and really the whole, Bolshevik communism really became that was Russia. Russia became a communist country. So there is very clear evidence in that Saturn Neptune cycle that something enormous happens in Russia on the Saturn Neptune conjunction, which is why really, even during this year, I sort of thought, well, Putin, the Putin regime is at an end and I'm fully expecting the Putin regime to collapse.
00:19:28:09 – 00:19:56:24
Unknown
When will it collapse? Well, will it collapse around the time of the Saturn at two conjunction in February, maybe. Or will it wait until August? And the solar eclipse at 20 degrees of Leo? It might. Well wait until the end, because Putin's Midheaven is 20 degrees of Leo. Aquarius. So that solar eclipse is right on his Midheaven.
00:19:57:01 – 00:20:37:14
Unknown
And the, and Russia's Pluto is 21 to Scorpio. So it's squaring Russia's Pluto. So there's a lot of things happening at that period of time. And so I think it's Putin's demise that will bring regime change, whether he dies of natural circum circumstances or whether someone pushes him out of the window one way or the other, when Putin goes and regime change comes in, then the war in Ukraine will effectively end if it hasn't ended before that.
00:20:37:14 – 00:21:04:09
Unknown
So I think that 2026 is going to be a hugely, hugely important year for Russia. Because of Russia's, actions in terms of Ukraine and the rest of the world, this is going to be an important point for the world, actually, and for well, I do I mean, we haven't got there yet, so we don't know what would replace that regime.
00:21:04:15 – 00:21:07:15
Unknown
We have no idea. But it will be change.
00:21:07:15 – 00:21:14:00
Unknown
There will be change. And if we just leave it like that, when we give us ourselves a wide berth
00:21:14:00 – 00:21:26:11
Unknown
as to some point in 2026, whether it is around that February period or whether we're waiting a little bit later in the year to August. I mean, something is changing in Russia.
00:21:27:23 – 00:21:42:23
Unknown
It will be fascinating to revisit this with you, because you're going to be our inner circle teacher. In August, though, around this time that you're talking about these big changes happening, you're going to be guiding and leading our community, which is going to be amazing. Okay.
00:21:42:23 – 00:22:05:06
Unknown
Can we talk about something real quick? Because I don't know why, but but I'm I'm sure I've heard this before, but this solar eclipse on February 17th, the way you said it hit me differently this time because because you also talked about the eclipse that happened on January 11th of 2020 and how that might have amplified that particular transit that we had in 2020.
00:22:05:06 – 00:22:39:13
Unknown
So tell us how you are seeing this February 17th solar eclipse that precedes by just a few days the Saturn Neptune conjunction in Aries. How's it going to get you, do you think? Well, there are a whole string of things that are important in February. In fact, really starting from the 20th of January, when I looked at my power periods of 2025, 2026, then the 20th to the 27th of January, the 16th of February to the 3rd of March, in the early part of the year.
00:22:39:18 – 00:23:11:09
Unknown
That was my time period. When we look at that around the 20th of January, the sun enters Aquarius and, by the 23rd it will conjoin Pluto. But Mars is in Aquarius, Venus is in Aquarius, Mercury is in Aquarius. So we've got all the personal planets connecting to, Pluto. And we also have, Mercury stationary, retrograde and one, two.
00:23:11:09 – 00:23:37:12
Unknown
I just think whether I put that note, oh, that's March, that's not the January period. So we slipped into February, February the 1st with a full moon. So the Mars Pluto conjunction comes just before the full moon of February the 1st. The very next day, Uranus turns stationary direct. So we've got a whole lot of activity. Pluto. Uranus, got Mars.
00:23:37:12 – 00:24:03:15
Unknown
And, we've got all sorts of volatility and things changing very, very rapidly. If we go forward from there, we come to that solar eclipse on the 17th of February. The sun is the square Uranus on the 16th. So in other words, the the solar eclipse of the 20th of February, after the 17th, the fabric is squaring Uranus.
00:24:03:17 – 00:24:36:13
Unknown
And then two days later, we have Sutton conjunct Neptune, Mercury stationing retrograde more squares. So you can see that that period is short, sharp and shocking. There's going to be waves of things going on and I know a lot of people got caught up with the idea that there have been a lot of earthquakes and earth movements, and obviously today, yesterday we had this category five hurricane that just decimated, you know, Jamaica.
00:24:36:16 – 00:24:50:00
Unknown
It's a lot of this is driven by climate change, if you believe in that I happen to believe in it. So that's part of that. But a lot of people have looked at all these kind of weather changes. Earth changes.
00:24:50:00 – 00:25:00:21
Unknown
interstellar objects floating into our solar system and joining up with our ecliptic and, and, and and sealing up Apple apocalyptic all about it all.
00:25:00:21 – 00:25:04:01
Unknown
It is as though the whole Earth, it's heaving.
00:25:04:01 – 00:25:32:05
Unknown
So I'm not really going to subscribe to all of that except in a very kind of, symbolic sense. I think that all these things symbolize the unrest. They don't cause they don't make it happen. But somehow it's, you know, I'm wondering slightly off point, but I will come back when we think about this strange interstellar object, you know, three AI Atlas, what it created.
00:25:32:07 – 00:25:57:16
Unknown
It whatever it is, the fact that we've noticed it, I'm confused by it because it's a lot of being the laws of, you know, science and physics as we expect. And that is the same way. When we saw Pluto for the first time, we saw Uranus for the first time. It's like when forced to wake up and look at something new.
00:25:57:16 – 00:26:22:23
Unknown
And what does it mean? So I think symbolically, this is a hugely important period, and there are a lot of great scientific breakthroughs with treatments of things. So, you know, all of this, which may sound a little bit negative, when we start worrying about, you know, the prospects for the work for World War. Well, peace is not very nice, but we've got all these good things happening as well, which are part of the same thing.
00:26:22:23 – 00:26:59:24
Unknown
So coming back to this idea of this, solar eclipse, literally two days before the Saturn Neptune conjunction, squaring Uranus. I'm going to leave it as a PowerPoint, but I do think in reference to Ukraine and Russia, that's going to be a very, very important point, very important, and maybe some other conflicts. However, it's also important for America because the eclipse is taking place at 28 degrees of Aquarius and the USA.
00:26:59:24 – 00:27:53:08
Unknown
It's moon is 27 degrees of Aquarius. So this solar eclipse is on the the US's moon. It also happens to be, at this period of time, the Saturn Neptune conjunction is on the United Kingdom's, the Great Britain's Natal, which is 29 of Pisces and something else that happens to be square. Uranus. So if we just look at these two countries alone and we don't really have time to look at every country in the world on this, on this podcast, but it's going to be a time of great global change for whatever reason, whether it's Mother Nature doing a best to upset things, whether it's conflicts coming to a screeching halt or
00:27:53:10 – 00:28:35:03
Unknown
reigniting, or whether there are going to be events in, America, let's say in terms of the presidency or whether we're going to be looking at events in, in England with the royal family, this is going to be a very important period for certainly we know America and England and Great Britain, let's put it that way. If I come back to 2025, there was a solar eclipse on the 21st of September, 29 degrees of the so that was opposing the Saturn and Neptune at that point.
00:28:35:09 – 00:29:02:22
Unknown
Not that I felt was going to be very, very important for our royal family. And well, you know, I, I thought that somewhere between that solar eclipse and the February the 17th solar eclipse, there are going to be very, very big changes in the royal family. And I'm just going to leave it at that. All right. That was my benchmark.
00:29:02:24 – 00:29:09:14
Unknown
So those are things that I am looking at.
00:29:09:16 – 00:29:19:01
Unknown
I want to come to July or America as well because that's another month. We've already talked about the Jupiter Pluto opposition,
00:29:19:01 – 00:29:28:21
Unknown
so Saturn will go stationary, retrograde on the 26th of July. Now it's going retrograde at 14 degrees of Aries,
00:29:28:21 – 00:29:35:08
Unknown
which is exactly opposite the US's natal Saturn.
00:29:35:10 – 00:29:47:08
Unknown
We've also got big sun, Jupiter, opposition, Pluto in Leo. We've already talked about that Mars Uranus conjunction on July the 4th.
00:29:47:08 – 00:29:56:22
Unknown
So I think America is poised for something really big around that July period.
00:29:56:24 – 00:30:00:00
Unknown
I say this with some hesitation,
00:30:00:00 – 00:30:13:06
Unknown
but I was definitely reminded of 911 when I looked at July for July 2026 for for America.
00:30:13:08 – 00:30:52:09
Unknown
And whether we're looking at domestic upheaval or whether we're looking at a foreign influence, I can't say, but it certainly looks to me as though there will be massive change in America. And I think, frankly, there needs to be massive change in America and and all things we may not like the way things happen. But in the aftermath, that's usually good things come out of those and often unity comes out shows, very unpleasant kind of developed.
00:30:52:09 – 00:31:26:12
Unknown
So it's not my job to scare the pants of terror body. I'm not trying to do that. I'm just saying I'm looking at the astrology and back in, 2001. Oh, before that, that was the Saturn-Pluto opposition. And during that time I was doing my weekly articles and I was mentioning that I was very concerned about America, and I put the date somewhere around, August the 6th, which was, for me a very important date.
00:31:26:14 – 00:31:54:18
Unknown
And then when it turned out that it was 911, it was in the September I could find all the reasons. But on 911 I set up the USA. Saturn was definitely involved in it. And on that day I, the US is coming up to its Uranus return. So in 21 it's probably nearer 2027 it will come to its Uranus return.
00:31:54:18 – 00:32:22:03
Unknown
But we're heading there. So I'm looking at this without trying to get into very deep water here. On the one hand, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. And on the other hand, it's always good to test out the astrology, whether it is with the end of the regime in Russia or whether it ends with severe destabilization in America.
00:32:22:05 – 00:32:53:02
Unknown
Let's test out our astrology and see you know, how much guidance it can give us. And astrology is all about guidance. It's not really about predictions and fears and all of that. And whenever we make anything conscious and let's take a retrograde Mercury, for instance, everybody gives a deep sigh on a retrograde Mercury. Oh yeah. Yeah, not nothing will work.
00:32:53:02 – 00:33:15:07
Unknown
And this and that. But if you embrace that retrograde, you're gonna think, okay, what do I need to go back on? What do I need to look back on sought out, rethink? Who do I have? Who haven't I seen for ages? Where do I need to go? But if you go low with Mercury Retrograde, you're going to get something out of that particular retrograde passage.
00:33:15:11 – 00:33:32:05
Unknown
And if you keep your awareness up that says, I can't afford to do anything at the last minute, I got to keep checking that my messages have got there. Then you're going to roll with Mercury Retrograde as opposed to feeling thwarted every time you step out the door and there's a traffic jam,
00:33:32:05 – 00:33:33:13
Unknown
if you know what I mean.
00:33:33:15 – 00:33:56:09
Unknown
Yes. So yeah. Okay, so I think I'm going to take a pause there, because the other thing that we haven't touched on is this little triumvirate, this little Uranus, Neptune, Pluto triangle that we need to have a look at. So okay, let's do that next. But before we do I'd love to stay on this. What you said Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.
00:33:56:11 – 00:33:59:19
Unknown
Pluto. Yeah. Okay. We'll go. We will definitely cover that
00:33:59:19 – 00:34:28:06
Unknown
in the same line of thinking of the Mercury Retrograde example you just gave us. So you're giving us lots of very potentially useful information for ourselves as we go into this next year. A lot of these things are kind of out of our control, right? Things that are happening with big countries like Russia or the United States or even, natural occurrences and things that might happen on the planet.
00:34:28:07 – 00:34:54:06
Unknown
How do we roll with the level of change that you're anticipating, that you're seeing how would you advise a client one on one, or how would you how how are you advising yourself to to take these energies in mind and, and make the most of them, I guess, is what I'm asking. Yeah. And I think that's a very valid question because, as you say, control, everything is going on in the world.
00:34:54:06 – 00:35:00:21
Unknown
The only things we can hope to control all things about ourselves. And sometimes we can't even control ourselves.
00:35:00:21 – 00:35:08:12
Unknown
It's always so easy. Yes, but of course, all these very big alignments
00:35:08:12 – 00:35:23:08
Unknown
are affecting us at different stages of our lives. I mean, a Saturn Neptune conjunction on your son at my age, which is what I have right now. I'm a son, Aries, one degree of Aries.
00:35:23:08 – 00:35:59:14
Unknown
So that's my Saturn Neptune conjunction. Wham bam on my son. That is going to be different for me at my age than it is for a 17 year old person. Right? Age experience what you've been through, how you're coming to, whatever you're going into. This all makes a difference. So we have to really start off with, by picking each bit of this puzzle apart and thinking particularly about the Saturn Neptune conjunction, which is it's kind of erosion of boundaries.
00:35:59:16 – 00:36:29:21
Unknown
Yeah. Also the structure of the infinitesimal, the things we can't get. I mean, for instance, for an artist, somebody who is a creating, this could be an extraordinary creative period where you are busy bringing into tangible form your creative vision. If perhaps you've always wanted to get into nursing, you wanted to be a healer. You wanted to do something that helps mankind.
00:36:29:23 – 00:36:58:15
Unknown
Here comes Saturn and Neptune saying, learn about it. Get the qualifications, go out and heal. So it's really adapting our lives. The experience we've had, you know, what is the content of our lives and thinking how best to manage that Saturn Neptune conjunction? There is certainly going to be a remember at the very beginning here I talked about atonement.
00:36:58:17 – 00:37:20:11
Unknown
Yes. And I think that's a really important thing because that is very Saturn, Neptune and again, let's look at somebody who's my age and somebody who's 17. That Saturn Neptune theme of atonement may mean I didn't work hard enough for my exams. And I let my parents stop.
00:37:20:11 – 00:37:28:14
Unknown
I really need to get my act together now and put my new vision into into being
00:37:28:14 – 00:37:36:09
Unknown
now somebody my age has to think, what aspect of my health have I been neglecting?
00:37:36:11 – 00:38:05:00
Unknown
What did I do years ago when I smoked for 50 years? How am I now done to my poor lungs? So we're seeing that in a different way, although everything else still applies. Bringing your visions into reality. And also I think it's an opportunity really to break down fear. So you have to analyze your fears and face them and overcome them.
00:38:05:00 – 00:38:31:11
Unknown
I think that's another very positive aspect of the Saturn Neptune conjunction. If we go back and we think about the Berlin Wall coming down, you know, it took a huge amount of courage and there's for that to happen, to have the belief that things could change, the whole could become a reality. What courage that took to make that happen.
00:38:31:12 – 00:39:09:07
Unknown
People made that happen. People took individual steps across that wall facing the guards that should have shot them. That took courage. So I think we take away from that that we will require courageous action in order to cut through that fear barrier, whatever that fear barrier may be, it. And I think also when we think about Neptune in Aries, that there's something very crusading about Neptune in Aries, you think about Aries, the warrior, the sign that is pioneering.
00:39:09:09 – 00:39:33:18
Unknown
And we think about Neptune and the spirit and the spirit of the pioneer. That's something else we can embrace. So I think there's a lot of things we can look at with that. In particular. And we talked about the Jupiter Pluto opposition. Well, what does Jupiter and Pluto represent in our lives? Well, you may have a Jupiter Pluto aspect in your own chart.
00:39:33:18 – 00:40:13:18
Unknown
In other words, that's going to bring out your natal, you know, dilemma or gift, whichever way you want to look at it. We know it's going to be big. So the good things get bigger and the bad things get bigger. The growth we get inflation, that horrible word. So if the inflation of the things that are out of control, but also the growth of growth, the things that you wish to expand your life with and the overriding see, you might think apart from a two dimensional recognizing where you screwed up, you know, okay, I screwed up and I do something about it.
00:40:13:18 – 00:40:32:11
Unknown
Hopefully, yes. Do you make amends? Yes. Even if it's just to yourself, to admitting to yourself something. You are shedding those cobwebs that are a sort of cross our psyche and moving forward, clean and clear.
00:40:32:11 – 00:40:40:17
Unknown
any of you who are like, I could sit and listen to Penny talk about this forever, which is definitely my case. I'm definitely in that camp.
00:40:40:17 – 00:40:56:24
Unknown
We have a couple opportunities coming up where you're going to get to learn more from Penny. First is our free 2026 forecast panel. Penny is going to be featured on that panel with several other amazing astrologers, and we're going to be talking all 2026.
00:40:56:24 – 00:41:13:07
Unknown
And really breaking some of these things down in different ways, revisiting some of the themes. And we're going to be going deep on 2026 again with Penny. And I, like I said, some other amazing astrologers. So if you want to sign up for that, it's free. That's
00:41:13:07 – 00:41:23:17
Unknown
Astrology hub.com/20 26 forecast astrology ABC.com slash 2026 forecast. We're going to put that link in the show notes as well.
00:41:23:19 – 00:41:27:09
Unknown
And then like I said, Penny is also going to be a mentor
00:41:27:09 – 00:41:44:11
Unknown
teacher for The Inner Circle in August. And I'm going to talk about every time of every lunar cycle. We have a different astrologer who's teaching in the inner circle, and we have an incredible roster for 2026 for these and these huge energies. You're going to be supported by some of the best astrologers in the world.
00:41:44:13 – 00:42:09:23
Unknown
And every astrologer not only keeps you in tune with what's happening in that lunar cycle, but they also teach a mastery class. So we're going to be talking about Penny's Mastery class for Leo Lunation of 2026 at the end of this episode as well. Okay, so join the forecast. Let's go to the other important fork at the other important transit and configuration in the sky that you brought up briefly.
00:42:10:01 – 00:42:12:24
Unknown
Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. Yes,
00:42:12:24 – 00:42:44:17
Unknown
Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are in this little triumvirate. So we've got Neptune sextile Uranus, Neptune sextile Pluto. So this is like a little mini grand trine. And what's significant about that, I'll come to shortly. But of course, is this the personal planets move around the zodiac in the chart. You keep getting these other configurations, these kites and everything, which is what's been happening throughout 2025, which is another reason why it's been such a huge year.
00:42:44:19 – 00:43:08:06
Unknown
And, you know, a lot of people get stuck on a, well, what does it cost me? What does a cradle me? What does this be? The important thing to remember is the planets contained in an alignment are all resonating at the same pitch. They're all picking each other up. So what you've got is an intense ferocity of, I don't want to use the word energy.
00:43:08:08 – 00:43:37:06
Unknown
It's, you know, not something I like using, but it's like pressing the point here so that big events cluster around the time when you get these configurations, when you look at a kite, which is combined, you know, it's about trines, it's about six stars, a nice little configuration. What is it that holds that configuration together? Well, it's the opposition between what's the tip of the kite and what's at the bottom.
00:43:37:06 – 00:44:04:04
Unknown
So in other words, it's the tension in the opposition that creates the kite. You need tension and you need flow. Let's put it that way. It's it's it's a combination. So rather than think a kite it's a gift from the cosmos that to give them that or the events that are round about kite are a gift. And don't get caught up in what it means.
00:44:04:04 – 00:44:14:23
Unknown
Just think about the planets that are involved in that and the tension that the opposition is bringing out, because it's the opposition that is the key fact.
00:44:14:23 – 00:44:23:12
Unknown
So if it's, for instance, as we come into 2026, we've got a big one on September the 26th.
00:44:23:12 – 00:44:31:10
Unknown
So the sun is in Libra opposite Neptune, and then you've got the sextile to Uranus and Pluto.
00:44:31:10 – 00:45:00:22
Unknown
So we've got a big kite going for us on the 26 of September. So that's going to be a real big one. But let me get back to the Uranus, Neptune and Pluto trio now to get Uranus in Gemini, Pluto in Aquarius and Neptune in Aries, which is what we are looking at in 2026 and have had in 2025.
00:45:00:24 – 00:45:25:21
Unknown
You have to go back thousands of years just to get that combination. So we're not going to really bother ourselves with that. But there is a connection really a bit nearer our time. And that's in 1945 where we had Pluto in Leo, Neptune in Libra. And you heard us again in Gemini. So we had a little track party going for us.
00:45:25:23 – 00:46:10:15
Unknown
Now, what's interesting about that is that World War Two came to an end on May the 8th, 1945. It was the end of the tribulation, and that particular little triumvirate was hovering over the end, which is why I've been so enthusiastic about regime change in Russia and the end of the war in Ukraine. What I also want to say about this, and it got my attention that Uranus, Neptune and Pluto is a three out of planets have all been discovered since 1781, 1781 1846 Neptune, 1930 Pluto.
00:46:10:17 – 00:46:34:06
Unknown
And each of these planets, and then they what we see was given by astronomers and astrologers, you know, saying, oh, let's call it Pluto, because we need something about transformation. It was like that, you know, somebody said, oh, we'll call it Pluto because of Disney or because the whatever it was. But anyway, it aligned perfectly with that psychology and all sorts of other things.
00:46:34:08 – 00:47:15:14
Unknown
But Uranus, Neptune and Pluto have all given their names to, components of nuclear past. So we've got neptunium, we've got uranium, and we've got plutonium. And I think that's interesting because 1945, not the way the war ended completely, was with the, dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. We have these three planets aligned. So I am not saying that because we've got Uranus, Neptune and Pluto aligned again, that somebody is going to drop an atomic bomb on somewhere.
00:47:15:16 – 00:47:44:10
Unknown
But what I find interesting is that since they have been aligned, we have definitely heard Putin threatening to use atomic weapons. We've had all sorts of agreements with the atomic power that was agreed between West. Iraq has fallen apart. So there's a lot related to that within this little tripartite. And I'm just going to throw that in there.
00:47:44:12 – 00:48:17:11
Unknown
I think, as a principle. Again, if we think about the boundaries that have been crossed with the discovery of Uranus and Neptune and Pluto, we think particularly of Neptune, which came about at the time of, really romanticism and, all sorts of other very interesting kind of, spiritualism was also part of that, the realization that Neptune what were the incidents, the events, the times, what did they show us?
00:48:17:13 – 00:48:41:10
Unknown
And with Pluto, of course, we got depth psychology. So the fact that we see and discovered a new planet in much the same way that we're suddenly looking at three Atlas is saying, what's left. It does represent an opportunity for humanity to expand its awareness
00:48:41:10 – 00:48:47:01
Unknown
in the sense of, oh, we gonna look at something else now? We got to go forward with this.
00:48:47:02 – 00:49:19:19
Unknown
What is it teaching us? And that's not too far removed from the idea of an expansion of consciousness awareness. It's consciousness. And what allows you to be consciously aware is the fact you're a conscious, intelligent human being. So this gives rise to many opinions. All this big change in consciousness. And but somehow it also gives the impression that it's happening to us.
00:49:19:19 – 00:49:48:12
Unknown
You know, something's something is wafting down to us and we breathe it in or we we are aware of it and we are becoming expanded human beings. And I don't really see it like that. I do see these as markers on humanity's board of life, saying, you're about to make a huge leap and all these things that are happening in your world are part of the reason you're going to be making this leap.
00:49:48:14 – 00:50:36:04
Unknown
And, you know, although I got a list of things to sort of talk about next year, I could go on for ten hours. Do you know what I think they're quite like Ted, with that positive thought. I love that Penny. And I was actually thinking, as you were in this last segment about how if I had to summarize everything you said today in terms of what we can actually do, it feels to me like being open to that expansion of awareness, not gripping too tightly on to what we think we know, who we think we are, what we think is possible, and really trusting on some level that this is happening for our good.
00:50:36:06 – 00:51:01:08
Unknown
That if we choose to engage in this consciously, that we will be making leaps. We will be going into territory we never knew existed, just like three outlets kind of coming in and blowing up what we think we know, you know, scientifically and about physics and all these things. There are similar opportunities within our own current awareness to have that level of expansion.
00:51:01:08 – 00:51:26:10
Unknown
And oh, wow, I didn't even know that was possible. I didn't even know that that existed. You know, whatever that is. And so I, I love that you're talking about this were on the verge of a huge leap. Like any any way you want to look at it, we're on the verge of a huge leap. We can either brace in terror about what that leap is, or we can relax and open up to it, because we're going either way.
00:51:26:12 – 00:51:33:04
Unknown
Yeah. And I think coming back to the idea of Neptune in Aries and this idea of a crusade,
00:51:33:04 – 00:51:43:00
Unknown
everything ultimately comes down to fear. If we are frozen with fear, we don't move. We just we are frozen with fear.
00:51:43:00 – 00:51:56:22
Unknown
Whereas if we. You know, contact off the we look at it and we say, I'm going through that. I don't know what's through the other side, but I'm going through it.
00:51:56:24 – 00:52:35:18
Unknown
My goodness, that changes everything. It's it's fear is the the biggest problem we face on on anything. And it I remember all there's such a Japanese kamikaze pilots who had no fear. That's what I think was sensational. Well in, you know, in, in certain spiritual, practices that knowing the hour of your death and the nature of your death, once you know that that's when it is, you're gonna have no fear at all about confronting, doing things you've never done before, dealing with stuff because you know it's not your time, you know?
00:52:35:20 – 00:53:03:03
Unknown
So these illustrate, really, the power of fear has over us to make things worse, to prevent us from living a full life, from being our full selves. It comes down to fear and overcoming fear. The penny in 2020. That was my experience. I was I was in one of those moments where I was communing with Saturn. I was actually like, Saturn, what's going on?
00:53:03:03 – 00:53:33:01
Unknown
Like, I need to to understand this on a deeper level. And what I received is Satan saying very clearly, this is that you are learning about fear, but not to be stuck there, really to understand how it works, how it paralyzes, how it separates, how it you know, how it infiltrates every aspect of reality. And again, not to stay stuck, but to learn how to transcend this.
00:53:33:03 – 00:54:01:23
Unknown
And so I'm getting from you right now that this theme is coming back. And it is I'm listening to this amazing book called Beyond Death and Life by Dolores Cannon, who was a past life regression therapist. And so she talked to many people that were in between lives in her hypnosis, hypnosis, and in her therapy sessions. And one of the things that they said is that there is no fear in the spirit realm.
00:54:01:23 – 00:54:21:00
Unknown
You actually have to have a body in order to experience fear. But that one of the things we are here to learn is how to get beyond fear, to to realize that it is an illusion. And like you said, it can paralyze us and keep us stuck and small and all these things. And we didn't come here to be paralyzed and stuck in small.
00:54:21:02 – 00:54:51:00
Unknown
So this is it's not always oh my gosh, this can be the most uncomfortable and the most terrifying. But but wow, if we could really move beyond that, how how differently would we live here. Absolutely. And I think these very difficult times we're living in that challenging times, whether that personal things or collectively or wherever we see, we really do have to drop that fear about what if and, you know, go with it.
00:54:51:04 – 00:55:19:05
Unknown
Do what we can learn about it, get to know more about it. Because information dissolves fear, as well as taking steps that prove to ourselves we don't have to fear that, I think I don't want to get too philosophical or spiritual about the idea that somehow all of this mess humanity seems to be facing. It's purposeful in the sense that we need to go beyond the fear of it all.
00:55:19:09 – 00:55:46:05
Unknown
But it could be. I'm not throwing it out of the, you know, the possibility basket. A simple yes. Okay. Amazing. All right. So can we talk about it for our inner circle members? Can we talk about the the class you're going to teach on the houses. So this is going to be your mastery class teaching in August. Tell us why you're choosing to teach on the houses and how you're going to go about doing that.
00:55:46:07 – 00:56:22:21
Unknown
Yes. I think the houses, thousands of always fascinated me. I mean, it's the areas of life, the spheres of being, they represent so many things. And, it, you know, working with astrology every day, which is what I do, what I have done for decades. Not going to tell you how many decades, but decades. And even when I was working with a national newspaper in England and doing astrology every day, that taught me to keep watching, you know, what was going on.
00:56:22:21 – 00:56:30:10
Unknown
So every day doing astrology, seeing clients, observing the world.
00:56:30:12 – 00:56:50:15
Unknown
You come to a point where you think, well, this doesn't really say anything to me anymore. This doesn't really work. And so, you know, you look at the sixth house and you think, well, why is this work and well-being? What what's this area of the horoscope? Oh, I've got three planets in the sixth house. What a pity. Why aren't they in the fifth?
00:56:50:17 – 00:57:12:19
Unknown
Why are there creative and wonderful and magical? Well, I'm getting the seventh. Where? I'm having wonderful relationships or whatever, but only in the dreary sixth house. What am I going to do with these planets? But once I started to work with the sixth house and I thought, well, you ought to have a standing that sixth house, your understanding is going to expand by looking up at the 12th house.
00:57:12:20 – 00:57:39:08
Unknown
The opposite number. It is. What is the 12th house? It's our escape hatch. Sorry. Escape to where we go beyond. This is where transcendence. This is our spiritual journey. You know where it is. Why is it attached to the sixth house? Because we do the work of spirit in the sixth sense. We do the work, we do our savor and, well, it goes on from there.
00:57:39:08 – 00:58:00:12
Unknown
I'm not going to give all of it away, but over a period of time, I started to look at many of the house in a in a very different way, a much easier to understand than others, you know, that basic. But you get to the eighth house, 12th house, the sixth house, the fourth house. That really complicated.
00:58:00:15 – 00:58:20:18
Unknown
And we really need to sort of look at them in a way that we see them a different way. And, you know, then the astrology comes to life and the planets we may have in them or the planets ruling that area, if we haven't got planets in them, suddenly start to make a lot more sense in our lives.
00:58:20:23 – 00:58:35:16
Unknown
Oh, gosh. So good. Okay, so you all have that to look forward to. If you're not yet an Inner Circle member, you can find the link to join us. It is the largest and longest, longest standing astrological community and membership in the world,
00:58:35:16 – 00:58:59:03
Unknown
and it's where you get to learn from amazing mentors every single month. You get to learn about the energies of the month, and it's really designed for people who want to use astrology to live their best life, to really take the information and harness it in a way that is productive and positive, and so that you can come here and do the thing that you wanted to do when you decided to
00:58:59:03 – 00:59:17:16
Unknown
incarnate and be here on this planet. So that is, Penny is going to be teaching in August, and you're going to be meeting a lot more of the 2026 teachers at our forecast events, or just reminding you to sign up for that. That is free for the 2026 Forecast Panel. This is our biggest event of the year.
00:59:17:16 – 00:59:19:05
Unknown
Everybody loves this event.
00:59:19:05 – 00:59:28:01
Unknown
We've been doing it, I think like 8 or 9 years now in a row. So the forecast panel is a really tremendous, way to learn about the energies of the year ahead.
00:59:28:01 – 00:59:31:24
Unknown
That is astrology. You have that comet 2026 forecast
00:59:31:24 – 00:59:39:06
Unknown
Penny you're amazing. This has been such a treat. Such a pleasure. I cannot wait for more Penny Thornton
00:59:39:06 – 00:59:41:04
Unknown
in 2026.
00:59:41:06 – 01:00:00:21
Unknown
Thank you for coming and for sharing so much wisdom. I mean, that was amazing. It's obvious that you have been practicing astrology for decades. We don't have the number on it, but it's obvious that this is not your first go around and you just have this information in you in such a beautiful, embodied way. So thank you for sharing that with us, Penny.
01:00:00:23 – 01:00:07:11
Unknown
And thanks all of you for being here. Thank you for making astrology a part of your life. We'll catch you on the next episode.