[2026 Prep Series] Adam Elenbaas on Polar Extremes & the Wisdom of the Middle Path

 

 

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🪓 “An axe is one of humanity’s first tools – its creative power cannot be separated from its destructive power.” – Adam Elenbaas

 

Transcript:

Amanda: [00:00:00] any of

you who have tuning into this channel know that we have been doing a series on 2026. We are now officially into 2026, but there is so much to discuss about this year

that we're continuing the

2026 prep series, so you the

you need to navigate this year as best as you can. And

there's

always so much to from Different perspectives from astrologers with different training, with different background

and different

on the world. So today we have a very, very special person.

I

absolutely adore Adam Elba. So grateful to the

and also a part of our 2026

forecast panel

that is happening on January 20th and 21st. Adam's gonna be one of seven astrologers, and we are going to be having Panel discussions and deep dives

into these

aspects and the real highlights of 2026. So you have absolutely everything you need. [00:01:00] So you for that yet, it's free and you all you have to do is go to astrology hub.com/ 2026 forecast. These panel events are one

of the

most beloved events that we do because

you get

to see the interaction be be between which is really unique and special and very fruitful. So I see

you there. And today we are going to

be

doing a smattering the biggest transits of the year as Adam sees them.

So we're gonna be covering the Saturn Neptune conjunction, the Uranus, Pluto trine, the Jupiter Pluto opposition, the nodal axis shift. Adam, did I miss anything?

Adam: That's, that's

good. Yeah.

Amanda: All right. All right, so we're gonna go, just go ahead and dive in and let's start with the first one that's happening in February. This is like the, I feel like this date February 20th is like tattooed on my soul at this

point.

Seems like a big one. So let's

talk about it.

What are

you seeing?

Aries 1 Decan – Creative Destruction & Beginnings
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Adam: Yeah.

[00:02:00] I am in the process right now of building out the curriculum for my yearly masterclass series, which is on the Deens this year. And so

I've been doing,

the first class is obviously on Aries and the first decade of Aries, which is, I think, really an appropriate starting point for talking about this because from the perspective of the Deens, which,

If you're, if

you're

not familiar, the Deens are this way of mapping out segments of the zodiac through the signs 10 degrees at a

time.

And the way that I teach this not unique, a lot of astrologers teach it this way, is that every sign kind of tells a story through the

Dickens. The first 10 degrees of Aries tells the first part

of

the Aries story. The second 10 degrees tells the next part, and the final 10 degrees

kind of brings the

story to its conclusion and then you move on to the next sign.

The thing that's really unique about Zero Aries, one degree of Aries, right around the place where Saturn and Neptune are meeting is that not only is this the first decade of the entire zodiac, it's the first degree

of [00:03:00] the entire zodiac, first

couple of degrees that these planets are moving across as they conjoin.

And that first decan of Aries is related to the most primal, you know, unhinged,

instinctual

release of creative energy. Fire is obviously the element of Aries, but this is the sign of Mars and the exaltation of the

sun. These

are yang energies. One

way of thinking about

yang

from the standpoint of

ancient Chinese philosophy, which I think corresponds really well to the masculine element of fire in ancient western astrology,

is that we're talking about

centrifugal force.

So a centrifugal force is one that

it, it's congregated in the center

and then it splits open like it's very

nuclear,

and when it releases, it's like the atom being split. And so it has this destructive power that's creative. At the same [00:04:00] time, like if you take a second to visualize even what physicists have said about the big bang, whether you believe in the Big Bang or not, you know, just kind of as a image exercise, you think about this big bang that is the ultimate creative moment of the

universe.

It's an incredibly violent moment. And the first,

the image

of the first decan of Aries

is an ax.

So this alchemical imagery that was part of magical practices in the ancient world, and one of the images passed down through the alchemical magic tradition of the decans well, an ax has

incredible it's like a, it's a, it's a powerful

invention.

When human

beings came up with

blades, like when we figured that something sharp could split a coconut

open

or, you know, split fire and we could use the wood and so on and so forth, like a, an ax is a very creative tool. I mean, nowadays it seems just kind of almost like a, we think of it as a weapon, but it's actually a tool or, or, you know, [00:05:00] originally you could think about it like, this is one of the first tools we ever came up

with, and it's

creative potential.

It can't really be

separated from its destructive potential.

And

That's the

first decan of Aries.

The first 10 degrees of Aries when planets transit through those degrees are so powerfully creative, but they can't help but create as they split and separate things. Even the simple image, which, you know, many different traditions around the planet have had of, of rituals connected to the separation of the child

from the mother,

Different ways of cutting the umbilical cord with shells, you know, like from the ocean sharp shells that were used to cut the umbilical

cord.

That act is

violent, but creatively necessary. It ha they, the placenta, the cord has to be separated from the, the mother and the, the child.

So creativity and destruction are almost

inseparable in the zero degree marker of Aries, that first decade of Aries. [00:06:00] And so the, the

first way of framing 2026 is a very powerfully creative year.

That will carry with it the precision and the cutting of new beginnings. I think about any powerful new beginning in my life that took to the ayahuasca path or early twenties, it cut me

out

of any path that would resemble normalcy for the rest of my life. And that was alienating and scary and super exciting

all at once.

I think the early

part of Aries

is like that. It has this very raw, untrained, undeveloped potential and it's kind of destructive and creative all at once. Now, what I think is really interesting is when you pair that with Saturn, Neptune, as the planet's experiencing

or, or triggering

that kind of creative, but potentially sort of violent new beginning, you get a very particular signature.

Some of the things that stand out

to me about Saturn, Neptune, for example.

You have a [00:07:00] planet that is the, the planet that demarcates limits and boundaries. Notably between the realm of the mind of God

and the visible cosmos

that the gods ruled over Saturn was the boundary keeper between those two realms in ancient cosmology and astrology.

So Saturn, we commonly think of Saturn as limit structures and boundaries, but actually Saturn is more like the planet that demarcates the

end or,

or limit of something. And the clear

sense that there is also something on the other side. So for ancients,

Saturn was a very mystical planet because it demarcated the boundary between the visible and the invisible.

Well, Neptune, in

modern astrology, because it exists, you know, beyond the, the boundary of Saturn in many ways becomes a planet that represents a lot of what's on the

other side of Saturn.

The invisible, the intangible, all of which Saturn traditionally points to by contrast.

You know, like

when you get to winter, the [00:08:00] Saturn rule time of year, you're aware of everything beyond the veil.

'cause the veil's thin during winter, you know, it's dark, it's nocturnal. There's a sense of death in the air. And the veil is sort of thinner. The dream time is more open.

The nocturnal space is, is

more like lucid and and apparent. But when Saturn gets together with Neptune, and by the way, Saturn,

when it was dis, when Neptune was discovered, was

in an exact conjunction with Saturn.

This is almost as though Saturn or Neptune was pouring through the boundary that Saturn typically sets, you know? So they have a history of being

together.

When Neptune was discovered, they were together. So I, what I, what I wanna say is that our awareness of things that are more mystical, transcendental, other worldly, it doesn't mean that they're, they're not here.

They a lot of real, these realities are actually here, but we're. It's, it's our awareness of them that's not always there for [00:09:00] us. So

when these two planets get together,

one

of the things that can

create this powerful, sort of chaotic new beginning is

the seeping through of things that

we're suddenly aware of that we weren't

aware of previously.

And, you know, our, our own limits of understanding, our own frailties, our own unconscious. When Neptune pours through the boundary of

Saturn,

now we're aware of some of those things. It's like a good therapy session. You know, you go,

holy cow.

I just came to an understanding of something because of a really good therapist.

Gave me some

perspective

Neptune's, sort of like that in that

it, it, it's like a good therapist seeping through the boundaries of your defense mechanisms. And then that

awareness

launches this very powerful new beginning. I would compare it to this though, because of that first decade of Aries,

you know, when people

when people have.

Spiritual awakening experiences,

or I'm

in Al-Anon, a 12

step program. When people hit rock bottom and go to aa or go to, they show [00:10:00] up at Al-Anon or something. That initial phase is filled with

excitement

and enthusiasm, but

it's also exactly the phase at which

certain temptations come up.

For example,

When I first got into Ayahuasca, my life was completely changed.

It was a very powerful new beginning. I also was pretty zealous about it for a couple years, you know, before I really started embodying some of the things that I was learning. I was kind of evangelical about it. I thought, well, this will save the world, you know, and I think a lot of us that that happens where the excitement of a new beginning takes over so

powerfully that

we can become fanatical.

We can become paradoxically rigid, even though everything that's opening represents a new kind of awareness or consciousness that's broader and bigger and wiser than the previous

one. Still

fanaticism is an immediate risk of newness. When you're in your twenties, there have been

all these studies that

have been done psychologically that show that a lot of the intense ideological lines that are happening [00:11:00] collectively, often come from young people.

The reason for that is 'cause of enthusiasm. You know, it's, it's youthful vigor. Well, Aries is that youthful

vigor and the,

the young needs the old, you know, the young needs, the older, wiser

veteran to say, good idea.

You're gonna take us in a new direction. I've got some sense

of

what kinds of containers are gonna work so that we don't torch everything to the ground or become the revolutionary becomes the fanatic or whatever.

So I think with this new beginning that comes through a awareness of

things that we couldn't see previously. There'll need to be really careful containers to hold

this kind of fiery, passionate, new, new

start.

So those are some of the things that come to my mind right away. The only other thing I'll say

is

the opposite thing can be true, becoming aware of things that we weren't previously aware of

is a very Saturn Neptune dynamic.

But another dynamic that can come [00:12:00] up is disillusionment or disappointment. So where something new is exciting, Saturn, Neptune is associated with melancholy and with disillusionment. So Saturn can be very melancholic and very, I mean, especially in the sign of Aries where it was traditionally in its fall, it can represent a pretty serious level of disappointment or, you know, you're placing Saturn of God of winter in the first sign of spring.

So they're awkward

companions in a way where, for example, young

things

that are youthful and excited. May experience something that almost takes away their joy. It's like a kid getting beat down by an alcoholic father. It's a very good, like Saturn and Aries image. Not that it's all like that. There's a lot of good things about Saturn, Aries too.

But

like you can think of that,

that youthful, exciting, innocent, naive, free spiritedness of a child getting upended by a

tyrannical [00:13:00] adult.

And so disappointment, disillusionment, things that try to get started because of vision or inspiration or imagination, but are like rudely kind of, interrupted or disappointed or blocked,

and the need

to persevere or endure for a beginning to get started despite something that's

trying to

block

a very

excited new beginning and disillusionment too,

where it's just like, I

thought something was real or true.

It's not, that can form a very powerful new

beginning, but

first you may have to process disappointment,

frustration, and, and like

a bit

of angst.

So I think all of those things, when we look at them collectively and personally, that's probably the biggest transit of

the year for all of these reasons.

Amanda: it's just, it, it, is so obvious why you have had a YouTube channel now for nine years and almost daily content on that channel, like your ability to just flow the information through. It's so natural and, [00:14:00] and beautiful. Recently, I I was really decoding the word disillusionment because I know with, even with the dance between 29 degrees and zero degrees that we've been in over, you know, in 2025 where Saturn and Neptune were doing this dance over this, these, these really important. Parts of the zodiac that disillusionment could be part of the experience. So I wanted to know like,

what does

disillusionment actually mean? Because it sounds really negative, right?

Oh, no one wants to be disillusioned, right? It's, it's not something we all

strive for.

Adam – Speaker: Hmm.

Amanda: But when I looked at the way it breaks down, an illusion is a trick or a sleigh of hand, and it's often associated with magic.

Not, I'm not talking about real magic. I'm not talking about

the universe and the magic of

this life. I'm talking about a

trick.

You know, something that isn't

actually true. And so to be disillusioned means that

you have this moment where you [00:15:00] see through the trick

and you realize that it was not what it seemed like it was.

And so it's been helpful for me to

think about

that because, I mean, I think

if we,

if most

of us

Honest with ourselves. We don't wanna be tricked. We don't, We

don't wanna be believing in something that isn't actually real or true. And yes, it can feel very disorienting and it can feel very challenging to go through the

process of

disillusionment. The end result of

being able

to see

truth is

probably something most of us ultimately

Adam: Right?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Amanda: So I'm wondering in terms of when this might inevitably happen. So we have this epiphany, we have these, this new sense of awareness, we have this new sense of reality, and there's excitement and enthusiasm, and there's that,

youthful,

exuberance

Adam – Speaker: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Amanda: and

then reality hits

and it's like, oh, shoot.

Like it's [00:16:00] not what I thought, or it won't be as

easy as

I thought, or it's

gonna take longer than I thought, or all those things. What would you say to a client maybe who's going through something

like that?

What is a guiding kind

of principle

or idea or even mantra that we could carry with us through that process?

Adam: Yeah, I think it, it, there's so many different, there's like varieties of disillusionment.

You know, I remember

like a, a simple

example that.

Goes nicely with one of the versions you were just speaking

to

when I first started.

I've been hobby bodybuilding for four years

now,

and when I started that process, I had in my mind the idea that in six months to a year I was going

to

look a particular way

with

zero evidence with zero.

It was just what I imagined it would take and how long it might

might be. Well, I am,

I'm now four years in with, you know, [00:17:00] regular, consistent work and looking more like I thought I would six to 12

months in,

so I kept going despite disillusionment in the beginning with what I thought the process was and required.

And so sometimes disillusionment, especially in Aries one, that decan It, it the whole journey of Aries, because one of the shadows of Aries is starting things and not being able to finish them or not being able to maintain, which is why we go into taurus next that can hold and sustain things, right? So every sign has something that progresses or that another sign has that it doesn't.

And so one way the disillusionment functions is not

to say you

can't get what you want, but to say it's gonna require a lot more than your enthusiasm.

Amanda: Ugh.

Adam: This

is why Saturn is in its fall in Aries, but has a very deep meaning there falls.

All of the ancient dignity categories are nothing more than descriptions of difficult planetary contrasts. Mars and Saturn

get together

really well in Capricorn. They [00:18:00] struggle in Aries

because when you place Mars

in Saturn sign, it's

exalted When you take

Saturn

and put it in

Mars' sign, it's in its fall.

When Mars is adherent to Saturn in an earth sign. It can climb a mountain. When you make Saturn adherent to Mars in a fire sign, it's like trying to enforce the discipline necessary for a bodybuilder in

their first

six months. Who thinks it's only gonna take a year? You know? And so that disillusionment

is a part of

a process that's not meant to kill your dream, but teach you how to actually get there.

And

so it's exactly as you said, Saturn and Aries especially, and we pair it with Neptune and it just inflates the tendency to really overestimate something, how easy it will be, what it will require, what it won't require, what sacrifices will be necessary. And just getting real about that if you actually want to get where you're going is like the greatest gift you could be given.

One of my coaches said this, and I never forgot it, he said

So

many people, [00:19:00] if

they had the education of

what it

took

to get where they

wanted with

their goals, with their goals in bodybuilding or health

or nutrition,

they'd get there so much more quickly.

Half of the battle is getting accurate

advice.

You know, that

doesn't mean there's only one right way of

doing things, but like getting a good coach, getting good nutrition advice, getting good training in a discipline like astrology or whatever you find your teachers,

that's like half

the battle is just figuring out what you

actually have to do.

So I think that's a great way of putting it. Disillusionment

can be nothing more than actually finding the truth, and that truth is

now you can actually go and do something 'cause you've got the truth. And

what better gift

is there than that? But that requires that you care more about truth than initial disappointment.

You

have to jump, your ego has to like jump a

hurdle where it's like,

well I know where I have to go. It's not as easy that I feel a little tail between my legs about things maybe. But like is my desire to accomplish something, [00:20:00] to do something heroic with my life, greater than my feeling of disappointment that it won't be exactly as I thought it

was. Because

if you get over that hurdle, then you're really on a path, you know? And, and I think being on a path can see you

through anything

Adam – Speaker: Mm.

Adam: that's Aries, right? It's a trailblazer. It's

a pioneer. So I think there's a lot there. But the other side of disillusionment, which I think is the one that's a lot harder to counsel people with.

'cause I find it pretty easy to be encouraging with people, especially when it comes to sticking with things, because that happens to

be one of my own, I dunno, I've always been pretty good at that.

Not necessarily being

good at things, but sticking with things just like, keep going, just keep doing it. And my Capricorn moon is like pretty

good at that.

But you know, always learning along the way.

Of course.

Well when people

hit a moment of disillusion meant where something that

they thought was true or real gets pulled out from under them, there can be a very deep loss of faith.

And

that to me

is the

definitely like the [00:21:00] harder Saturn Neptune when it's taking

away, I don't know, it's

just making things more real than you'd prefer they had to be.

Like, I feel like

encouragement

in that moment, like getting up

your hero's spirit

to go do it anyway is like easier than

trying to recover faith

when it's been deeply

damaged.

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Adam: When I was growing up, I. There was many, many scandals in, 'cause my, I was a preacher's kid, so I grew up in the church and there were many scandals that happened to preachers and their families because preachers hold this archetypal role in a community where it's like, Hey, you're the spiritual leader.

If you have an affair and it gets out, it, your family, Dr. Everything's dragged publicly, you know? And it's, it's it.

Then people

in the community lose faith because

their leader fell down or whatever. And I watched my dad go through that,

you

know,

go through his own human. Shortcomings, which he deserves. He's allowed to have, you know,

and I get that now

that I'm an adult a lot more than I did as a kid because he was my [00:23:00] dad

and

he was a spiritual leader. And I was part of a collective archetypal role in a Christian community. And seeing all of that crumble, man, I got, I got into drugs. I completely lost myself because I was deeply disillusioned, disappointed, and sort of lost.

I don't blame my dad for that. Now that I'm older, I see that it was a part of a much bigger arc

in my life

of discovering a broader different kind of faith. And my faith evolved through all of that. So it's all good now, but initially,

right, that happened while Saturn was an Aries in my

12th house when

I was a a kid.

A lot of the crisis that we face

right now in the west is we don't know what's true. We don't know who we

can trust.

And that, I think that's across the aisle politically, across the spectrum. There's a sense, there's a growing sense of conspiracy. And I think there's a very well-founded sense that there's more going on than meets the eye.

We can't necessarily trust government agencies or leaders. There's Secret Islands where terrible things, you know, like all of this. So, and all of that's real. And yet that doesn't [00:24:00] necessarily mean

that it's

a good thing to become conspiratorial and paranoid about everything. And yet it doesn't mean that there isn't some conspiratorial level of things that are happening.

It's a very muddy place to exist when your faith is deeply

disturbed.

I think a lot about Buddhists. I've been studying a lot of Buddhist philosophy lately. I feel I go through phases where I explore different world religions and faiths, and I'm a very deep reader. And

so

been listening to a

lot of lectures by,

Thi not Hanh, I'm sure you're familiar with.

You

know,

he's so sweet and so great. And I've been listening to a lot of lectures by thi not Hanh, and he talks

about,

you know, that there's this. Transcendent level of peace that we can find in ourselves when we recognize that there's all of the opposites come together

at the same time. Faith

and despair

are two sides

of the same

coin.

It's like, you know, he always does this example where he takes a piece of paper and he

says, you hold this piece of

paper. It's like, there's an above and there's a below. You can't

separate [00:25:00] them.

You can't tell the above to go

more above and the below to they're, they're together.

So one of the things that can help

when Saturn and Neptune come together, where you have hard Neptune transits in general, is to remember that faith and uncertainty, faith and mystery, faith and

doubt,

despair, and confidence

that they,

they move in and out of each other, like waves in life.

And there are seasons sometimes longer than others where we feel like we're moving

through.

Shadows and fog

and we can't see the path clearly.

But during those times, if we can appreciate that this is the inner medicine of

a different

kind of understanding, faith and wisdom being born, and I have nothing to do right now, but be a midwife to it.

I don't have to have certainty,

I don't

have to have faith. I can be disappointed. I can feel hurt, I can feel grief, I can feel lost. I can feel doubtful, I can [00:26:00] feel a little paranoid, you know? But can I bear witness to it?

Because it's

the bearing witness to it from, you know, tick not Han's perspective that I appreciate so much that we come to find peace with it as a part of the texture of faith.

It's not separate from faith. It, it's part of how faith moves through different seasons in our lives. So to me, that's the kind of counsel I try to give, but

mostly just

listen, when people are going through something like a Saturn, Neptune experience. And because it's the listening, it's the bearing witness to, if we model that as astrologers for a client and then maybe gently encourage the same kind of thing.

Do you have a listening practice? Do you have

a therapist

who can listen to you? Do you have friends that aren't gonna tell you what to believe or just try to coach positivity into you when you're feeling

deep doubt?

Because when we just give it room to breathe and exist then it, it starts planting seeds.

And that's the potential of a disillusionment like this, is that yeah, it may

reveal things that

are disappointing or

it

may [00:27:00] reveal things we thought were true that aren't, and there may be a deep sense of loss around that. But if you let that be a, a fertile

place, then it,

it has like serious creative power in our lives and we just have to be patient with it.

Amanda: this is one transit of the year. If this was the only transit of 2026, we have curriculum for a lifetime. You know, there's so much here. And I, I have a Aries South note, so I, I'm like very familiar with the Aries energy and that like childlike enthusiasm and

the let's go and that

spark, right? Also the black and white, kind of like, it's either true or untrue. It's either this or that. And, and then that moment of like, well, it's not true or untrue, it might be all of it.

And that word that you just use, you used the word texture, the texture,

of faith, and it just

made me.

Adam – Speaker: me

Amanda: Recount the amount of times I've had to integrate that it isn't black and white.

There are so many shades of gray in between.[00:28:00]

And

so, and, and this kind of goes into what you were saying earlier about the, you know, becoming zealous and becoming, you know, this is,

I've found the

answer and I

wanna tell everyone the answer. You know, all these, these ideas kind of go together

and are inviting us into a deeper rootedness,

a deeper rootedness that is more rich and textured and, and has space for listening and really

understanding and

perceiving in new ways.

So again, I'm like, God, if we just, if we just focused on this one, this one transit happening on February 20th, but coloring the entire year, we would have enough content for a lifetime,

but there's more. And that's what makes 2026. so

incredible. There is more.

Uranus-Pluto Trine: Background Influence
—

Amanda: So let's go to what you

Adam – Speaker: also are really looking at, which is this Uranus, Pluto Trine.

Adam – Gallery: Mm-hmm.

Adam – Speaker: Why is,

Amanda: why

is this

important?

Why do you, you know, pull that out of all the astrological transits as something to pay [00:29:00] attention to?

Adam: Well,

I, I, I'm still working

on,

you

know,

the closer the

transits get, like, the closer their archetypal

season and like horizon line comes into

my psyche, the more I

have an understanding of how things might fit together. You

know, like how does Saturn, Neptune go along with these trines is something I feel like I'm, I'm still working

on.

We'll

learn more about as it happens, more so than I'll ever understand it in advance. That's always true

for

astrologers. We hate to say it, but it's always true. I feel

like my favorite

kind of astrology is living it and learning as it's happening, you know?

But, but I think one thing that I would immediately offer as a

juxtaposition

is that Uranus and Gemini is.

Like, uh, it's

Hermes is the magician,

first of all. I, I would put it that way. I wonder, you know, if our colleague, Gary Caton would say something similar because I know he's quite a hermetic philosopher, but like Uranus in Gemini, rinding, [00:30:00] Pluto in Aquarius is so wildly inventive and futuristic and sort of sci-fi brilliant.

And,

And there's some shadows too, but like that's a trine. So there's a very flowing, supportive aspect between planets that create revolution and powerful transformation and in very inventive forward thinking intellectual technological signs. So one thing that's like, let's

just have fun for a second, because obviously there's this,

there's a kind of psychological alchemy of, of Saturn Neptune, but if they're making us aware of things we haven't been previously in a year where these two.

Technological wizards are meeting in a trine. The other thing that's really exciting is that this is the kind of year

in which something like astrology

or any

other kind of,

Like, like think of things like acupuncture where it's, it's just a totally different modality of healing

and

spiritual medicine, technology, en entheogen, stuff like that.

Even our [00:31:00] awareness of other species of life and aliens you know, put that out there. That's a big topic right now. These things have the power

to become,

like these kinds

of topics

can accelerate so quickly in a year like this because there's this opening through which to understand more Neptune sort of seeping through Saturn.

It's like, yeah, well how about,

There's a collective. More of a collective sort of gestalt with respect to the, to the insight of plant teachers. I think it's a very simple example. It wouldn't be necessarily flashy, but you may see some powerful headlines in the year ahead

that where

MDMA therapy or LSD therapy or Ayahuasca or any of these technologies, you're like, oh, you know, whatever.

Who, whoever it was the other day, was

it Prince William or whatever his name,

or Harry or one, one of one of the

royalties was like doing mushroom therapy and talking about it on TV or something. And I was like, what is this? This is wild. You know, like I remember when I got into [00:32:00] ayahuasca like

2004,

you know, nobody was talking I mean there was, pot was illegal, you know, you

had to like

sneak around to smoke a joint.

It was crazy. Nothing's like that anymore. This could be a year in which a lot of things that appeared not too long ago to be really like space tinfoil hat territory could actually become. Much more lucid in, in the collective dialogue. Like now we're talking about astrology in ways that are just way more

open than

people have been to them previously.

So

I, I feel like

Saturn, Neptune opens

the

door for a year of mystical and intellectual renaissance. That's my favorite part about the combination of these

two, because Uranus

and Gemini and Pluto in

Aquarius

are truly good transits for things like astrology, divination quantum mechanics.

Like, like all

that kind of realm

is open, wide up.

Or

if we're gonna talk about

more in the realm of like, you [00:33:00] know, the alien disclosure, this idea that. Humanity could be become more collectively aware

of the

fact that actually we've had encounters with other species.

You know, even if it was just that there's no

more details than that, but it

was just more broadly accepted that

we've actually had

contact with different forms of life or different kinds of technologies. That alone would be so paradigm shifting. So I'm excited for those kinds of possibilities with the two things side by side this year.

But when it comes to just the trine between the two planets, sort of

putting

it in a vacuum

I, here's

what, here's, I'll just say something about AI for a second, because I think

one of the things

that's gonna happen is this year is going to kick open several more doors in the AI development storyline.

I think this year along the lines of the rines,

we're going to

see more rapid. Development and advancement of

the technology,

We're gonna see more people using it, more people becoming fluent in it. I mean, I remember in the late nineties when people were just becoming [00:34:00] fluent

in

the internet.

I see this year as probably a similar gateway year to some of those late nineties transits and Aquarius that we had was Neptune, Uranus, that kind of thing. So probably more along those lines.

A.I.
—

Adam: But I wanna say something about AI because I had a good conversation with my colleague and your colleague Patrick

Watson.

He's developing Epso, which is an astrology software that has an AI

component built

in. And he said this at Norwalk, which really stuck with me. He said he was giving a talk and then we were, we were talking as well. And he said,

AI's going to infiltrate the

field of astrology. From people who have no real interest in astrology.

It, its ethics, its spiritual integrity, or its worldview, so we should be stewarding. Its use and development as much as we can consciously in transparent dialogue with each

other as practitioners, as a field. That's what we're trying to

do with nso and they're using forms of AI that I think are very ethical from [00:35:00] everything I've understood uses of AI that are

ethical

and

trying to have

that conversation, trying to have honest conversations about the ecological impact, like all of these things.

But like if we don't have that conversation, AI is going to infiltrate the field of astrology whether we like it or not, and I don't like that proposition. It makes me uncomfortable, but that's the kind of discomfort that Pluto, Uranus. Spring up. I mean, people weren't comfortable when Pluto and Uranus got together in the late sixties with things that were

advancing

very rapidly and often wildly, like you have so many cultural forms of Renaissance happening in the arts and music and politics, and you have some really wild, uncontrolled things

happening.

It's like the Wild West that's Pluto, Uranus.

So when that's happening technologically, do we have some reasons

to be worried about

the way that technology's gonna develop

this year? Sure, of course we do, but we also can't bury our

heads in the

sand

when the internet wave part two is coming. You know, it's like we [00:36:00] have to meet this as consciously as we can.

And what worries me, and this is

the thing I wanted to say, is I'm not so

much

worried about whether AI is good or bad.

Inherently

my very limited understanding and interaction with AI to date, and I'm talking about like chat GPT, that's about the extent of my understanding of it. Is,

That we're, we're really quick.

I've noticed this con conversation happening on social media in my spheres anyway, we're really quick to want to think of it as something that will save us or

damn us.

And what I'm more concerned about is how quickly we rush to label something and pretend to know or understand what something is without taking the time to actually get to

know it.

So I, I heard this quote from someone. I

don't know if it's true, like a lot of things these days. I just heard it somewhere online, so I'm

just being honest about that. Someone said that the amount of

people that have very strong [00:37:00] opinions about AI is

wildly disproportionate to the amount

of people

who have actually had any meaningful time using

it And that's interesting to me, especially since one way of

thinking about AI is that it's, it's a, it's

kind of like this weird mirror of ourselves. Right. It's like this weird mirror of collective human data and intelligence and consciousness. And immediately when we look into that mirror, if all we're trying to figure out before we've actually looked into it and spent time

with it

is whether it's God or the devil.

That's an interesting, immediate kind of feedback to be looking for in a mirror

of ourselves.

Do, do you see what I mean? So like that's the level at which I feel

most, I don't know, compelled, interested, curious, worried about

the development of technology in the year ahead is like it's gonna happen rapidly.

And it has the power to be, it's very luciferic. Like the Lucifer archetype is like Prometheus. It's like a light bringer. Here's this technology, but it was stolen from the gods. But it gives you fire, which [00:38:00] is so useful. The gods shouldn't have it to themselves. Yes. But if you transgress and take it, you'll be chained to the side of a cliff.

You know, like, it,

it,

it has this very archetypal sense of like, is this good? Is it transgressive? Like, what is this? But it's also ourselves. And so I just, I feel like this

year I'm

gonna try to stay curious as these rines hit, because I feel like there's some part of this that's, you know, we are the aliens.

We, this is a mirror in some way

too. So

I'm gonna try to stay conscious of that as opposed

to

jumping to conclusions or rushing to say that it's, it's the best thing ever or the worst thing

ever.

Amanda: It

reminds me of the conversation we were having earlier about things being black

or white.

And

it's like it never is.

It really isn't. And just as

it's not

true, you know, you're saying

what's concerning

you is how

people that don't

have a whole lot of, if this is even true,

I got that. Caveat. Caveat. People that don't have a ton of experience with it yet [00:39:00] just labeling it as good or bad, you evil or our savior.

But

don't we do that to each other

and don't we do that to ourselves? And isn't there a broad

spectrum of

truth, aren't

we sometimes this and sometimes that.

And isn't there a lot more nuance?

And what I'm getting here from you is this seems to be a consistent theme now is around this texturizing

and nuance and not jumping to the extremes. That is a very Aries tendency to just go, you know. It, it, that fire is so necessary that like big, huge

initial spark

is so necessary. There's nothing wrong with it, but recognizing that it is temporary and fleeting and that

there

needs to be something else.

So around this AI conversation, I love what you came to at the end. Stay curious it before drawing, before drawing conclusions. You know,

Rick

Levine said something on a podcast episode we recently did, and I had this thought, so when he verbalized it, I [00:40:00] was like, oh, that's so cool. What if AI, just like Uranus, before it was discovered, or Neptune before it

was discovered,

or Pluto before it

was discovered,

were those planets there before we had

awareness of them?

Adam – Speaker: Right,

Amanda: Yes.

Theoretically

they were there then just like materialize, right? They were there, but we didn't have the tools, the technology, and the consciousness

yet to perceive

them.

What if AI is no different?

What if it is

a web,

an infrastructure of thought, like you're saying this, this mirror that has always been there and now we finally have the conduit to actually get into it.

I don't know.

Or maybe it's the devil, I don't

know. But like you're saying, I think this, staying curious, staying

playful, not getting too attached to either or,

and no matter what that stance

will

help you with the health of your nervous system.

Adam: Yes. Yeah. Just such a good Uranus and [00:41:00] Gemini thing

to keep in mind.

Amanda: Exactly. And, and when our nervous system gets fried from all the, the stress and anxiety and trying to figure it out and trying to know, and that impacts every aspect of our life.

So,

you know, really

just cultivating and, and for a lot of us it's, I would say staying curious is pretty natural for me with my Gemini Moon.

But like, I know that that's not very natural for a lot of people,

so it's, you know, maybe cultivating that aspect of ourselves to just be like, I don't

need to

know. I probably won't know right now. Probably no one knows right now. So

even if someone says they know it's probably not true, and how can I just stay open and, and, and perceive, and like

you were talking about

earlier, be that observer

Adam: Mm-hmm.

Amanda: you know, what's, what's

actually

happening here?

And,

and, yeah.

Messianic / Apocalyptic Thinking
—

Adam: I think there's, there's such a

strong tendency in us as Westerners. We inherit a very

longstanding messianic and

apocalyptic

way of thinking.

Um, [00:42:00] There's a great book that was written,

By Nicholas Campion called The Great Year.

I don't know if you've met him before. I haven't actually met him

in person.

He's

an astrologer and he, he teaches astrology a university program.

I believe

he's like the director of an astrology.

I

think Jen Zat studied with him quite a bit.

Amanda: And Rick and Steve did an event with them last year and, and I think Rick calls him the dean of astrology or

something like that

Adam: that sounds like

him. Yeah, he's, he's brilliant. I've read

all of his

books. But you know, he, in

that book, he really outlines

the parallel between astrology in the

western world and we're

talking about the ancient Hellenistic world, Mesopotamian world, even Zoroastrian Persian Indian you know, all of it has

traces of this, but then it especially strong through the Christian West.

It's this

idea that is common actually throughout history in every single generation that we are

living at

the brink of apocalypse,

or, and

by that we mean that

this

great

next [00:43:00] leap in consciousness is about to happen, or a great salvation or a great end of the world, or a great catastrophe or whatever.

And every generation lives through

its own catastrophes.

It lives through its own big leaps and developments and technology and consciousness, and culture and politics. Like all that's real and true.

But it's not

actually unique to humans

to think this is it, you know?

And I feel

like that book without,

without any kind of preaching, is just this gentle warning to disengage

from that kind of thinking.

Because though that way of thinking itself, he presents as

archetypal, you know, it's like

there's an archetypal reason and

necessity

that we have as humans to try to understand the moment we're living in historically, you know, like, and, and that moment always, we're always living on the, the brink or the edge of human history.

It's like a wave that's always cresting. So we're, there is something real to feeling like we're in a moment of tremendous significance. But [00:44:00] the, the weird truth is that every single moment that's ever existed has been like that because it's at the present, which is all there is, you

know? And I think

something about a year like this.

Because air tends to be so dissociative. There's gonna be a lot of historical narratives that I think are gonna become much more appealing

to us. We're gonna feel much

more invested in that are gonna feel much more like in our face. And I think that's natural. I don't think we should avoid

it or bury our heads in the sand, but we can also remember that that cutting

edge

is every moment that it's, it's

it's historic.

It's every generation has always

had moments

where it's felt like that. And that if we

remember that we stay

present to that. There's a natural way in the elemental cycle that ancients talked about, that air is always condensing and falling like rain, you know?

And so

the danger

of

being in a

moment of

like historical emergency or urgency, whether it's a technological [00:45:00] conversation or the Saturn Neptune conversation, is that we can leave our bodies, we can leave

the earth,

we can leave emotional intelligence, bodily awareness, as you were just saying.

Adam – Speaker: saying.

Adam: And what's great is that when we all, when we sit with air

and that, that 20,000 foot historical Pluto and Aquarius perspective, and we let it come into our bodies, then the air turns to water and it falls down back to Earth. And that's when we can really integrate the moments historically and feel them, well, I'm just one person, you know, what does it mean to me right

now?

How do I feel about it? That

level of intelligence can't be bypassed because we think we have to take accountability for having the right historical perspective for every one of all time. Right now. That's so

much

weight, you know? So

let the, let

the clouds fall. You know what I

mean?

Amanda: I do and, and I was

just thinking

Adam – Speaker: of that term that you hear thrown around a lot. be

on the wrong side of history.

Amanda: Yeah.

Like That's [00:46:00] heavy.

It's, You know, that's like, oh my God, this decision, the way I'm seeing it is, is is literally right or wrong. I'm either

on the right or the wrong side of history, and mm-hmm. how am I gonna face my children if I make the wrong

decision?

Yeah. I mean, that is really part of the narrative you see all the time. So that is a fascinating perspective. interesting. Okay, let's jour We have Jupiter, Pluto opposition and nodal axis, and we a of time,

so

Yeah.

Yeah. let's let's go into those two.

Jupiter-Pluto Opposition / Nodal Axis Shift
—

Amanda: Well, think that really nicely

Adam: because

Amanda: the

Adam: eclipses that are switching this year, February and

August, we get solar

eclipses and Aquarius and Leo, August, the nodes shift to Aquarius and Leo, north, known Aquarius, south Node, and Leo. And we also late July, get the Jupiter.

It's

a very powerful full moon in Aquarius, where we get the, the full moon in Aquarius, opposite

this

Jupiter Sun, Kami.

It's also opposite Pluto. It's like. Whoa. It's a full moon [00:47:00] conjoined Pluto opposite sun, Jupiter Kami. I think that moment, late July with the Jupiter Pluto

opposition

as just the, the densest

part of that

speaks to the tension between the individual and the collective. The forces of

history and the

force of

a personal heart that is not, and can never be defined or contained by history.

You know, like hair colitis said, the soul is explored forever to a depth beyond report. History is what we can

report.

A

depth beyond report

goes beyond history, even soul history. So I always like to tell my students, like when we're looking at birth charts, for example, hold it really lightly. Think of it more like when you were born, the Gods gave you this.

Image

and this,

it's like a painting. And this painting is like an oracular mantic wishing pool. And every time you look into it, at every, every moment that you ever look into it, at every different moment and stage of life, it's going to reflect back

something [00:48:00] different

because you just, like the Buddhist, say like you're, where can you actually locate a self?

Your yourself is this contingent being that's

in motion.

So it's hard to like pin you down. Don't let a birth chart pin you down. Don't think I am my

chart. Think I speak to

the chart to understand something of myself, something

of myself, not

all of myself. Because we want to retain a depth that goes beyond historical objective fact collecting.

And Hillman talks about this.

Carl Jung talked

about

this, that soul history

is something we recount specifically so that we can lose it again. You know, it's like you, you, you tell stories and anytime you tell a story, if you notice when we tell a great story with our friends and

family,

we're

remembering it well, where was it?

It came up out of, you know, some unconscious space. We're telling it, we're recounting it

because it came back. [00:49:00]

Krishna in the Bava Gita says, I am remembrance and forgetfulness, and they move, you know, like that. So I think this is a year where when you see these eclipses across the Aquarius Leo axis where it's like.

There's gonna be

these forces that make you feel like, yes, I have to identify my worth, my value, my mission, my project, my creative path in the right historical

and collective framework that validates

me historically, collectively, socially. And then there's gonna be this countervailing force that says, just forget about all

of

that.

You know, just be a soul whose mystery

is being explored to a depth

beyond report, beyond historical accuracy, even your own historical accuracy. Be a mystery

to yourself. Be

an enigma

and find your light

in what is most obscure and hard to locate in who you are. That's the Pluto Leo axis I think really firing on all cylinders this year.

It's like it, it's this. [00:50:00] It's a year where, again, because of those other major forces we're talking about,

where. I think

the pressure to want to define ourselves and our place within social historical narratives and frameworks will be very heavy and intense. And I think the countervailing force, again, is to push back by saying, I don't have to

do that.

It's

not, it's not illegal to find myself in groups or communities or a

part of things

that are unfolding, but I also have to, I have to be something that is unique and beyond measure, and that has to be retained and

maybe even fought for.

Amanda: Amazing.

So Rich, I've never heard the Leo Aquarius axis described that way from that soul level perspective.

And

part of what I was hearing when you were speaking is, is to not take our ourselves too seriously.

Adam: Yeah.

Amanda: You know that to to leave space for that mystery, to leave space to be surprised, to leave space for us to [00:51:00] experience ourselves and each other in a totally new way,

and to not just take it all so serious,

Adam: Yeah, it's like I,

I find myself on YouTube a lot, like dealing with this as,

you know,

a quote unquote public figure who has

to like,

come

up with postures. You know, like

when everyone in waves is starting to respond to something that's happening in the news or the media. Like, oh, what am

I, there was a period where, a couple years where I was like, well, what do I do?

Like, what do I say? What do I, and, and I, when I got really honest with myself,

my deep

inner answer was, I don't

know.

Adam – Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Adam: Like,

there was a lot of just,

I don't know, this is overwhelming. That's painful, that's terrible. This is confusing. I, I don't know where I stand. I don't know what I can

do.

And so one of the most liberating things for me, at first, I started saying,

I'm not political.

Right. And then I started realizing,

well, that's not exactly true, right? But

what is

true is that I, there's a lot of, I

don't know, for [00:52:00] me,

and when I stayed close to that, I didn't have to say anything. I didn't have to posture anything. I just had to stay close to this humble, open, curious uncertainty about a

lot of things.

And the closer I stay

to that,

as things come up as questions are brought to me, rather than trying to proactively get out and put myself in the right or wrong category, or be with the good people or the not good people, all

of that,

the more

I, I set that

aside and just tried to stay very

present,

the less that I had to come up with any proactive posture for,

you know,

for, for YouTube or whatever in my career.

And I, I just feel like that's a, i I have the north node and Leo South node and Aquarius and the south node is right on my midheaven too. So, yeah, I feel like that

that's been.

Really,

a lot of the ways

that I have of thinking about it have come from my past few years of, of navigating you know, being a YouTube person, you

know?

Adam – Speaker: you

Amanda: know what's so interesting about that, Adam,

and

I'm sure you've already drawn this

connection. Your past

with [00:53:00] your father, because when you were speaking, I was like, what you just did by saying I don't know, which is your deepest truth, is you took yourself down from the pedestal. You, you

took yourself

out of that position of like, I'm an authority.

Who knows? And you should listen to me because you like my astrology. So probably all my viewpoints on all these other things are true too.

Which puts you in a position to fall

because it's not true. It's not

true that you're all knowing it's not true that any of us are

all knowing. Right. So, but what you did there, which is interesting, it's your south node to me, is I feel like you cleaned up

that karma

in a big way.

You know, you're not repeating the, the, that very natural human tendency to once be put on a pedestal to do everything you

can to maintain that

pedestal.

Adam: Hmm. Yeah.

Amanda: Right. And you just went,

actually, you know what? I don't know. I don't know what,

and,

and I'm open and curious and I, I am still learning just like.

Adam – Speaker: you.

Adam: Well, and, and it's funny because I'll, I'll, I'll leave with this [00:54:00] last thought, but I speak with a Jungian therapist regularly and it really helps me stay sane. The temptation for us that Jung talked about specifically is getting caught in archetypal identification.

So like, I play a role astrologer,

which is like an archetype that people recognize.

One of the things that I watched my dad have to

figure out

was he, his,

his

fall, if I want to even

call it that, it feels

kind of harsh to call it that it's just his humanity came, you

know,

had to figure out how to separate itself from the archetype

of

the pastor of the

preacher.

And

what I've learned a lot about, and this is very Leo Aquarius, is

that when, whenever we feel

really socially resistant and rebellious against a role, it's often because we, ourselves have gotten overly identified with a role that we were supposed to carry loosely, but got more fixed on than we maybe intended to or had any idea that we

were getting.

So then [00:55:00] we have to create this revolution, this rebelliousness, very Aquarius. We have to separate and say, I'm not that I'm, I'm an alternative person, or I'm a this or I'm a that, or, and. We go through that cycle enough. And I think what happens is we learn how to carry out those revolutions quietly. We say, oh, I'm getting identified with an archetype.

I just have to loosen my grip. It's not that I have to introduce another archetype to get identified by with by contrast and create a polarization all over again.

I just

loosen my grip on an archetype that I was starting to get identified with. And then that the revolution is more

about just coming back to ourselves.

That,

again, is a mystery beyond report. That's not an archetype. We're a person, not a, we're a soul, you know, not an archetype. And then we can carry archetypes and wear them and

play the roles and serve people with those roles

without getting lost in them. And I see so much of that dance between Leo and Aquarius,

Amanda: Oh my gosh. You

know, as my daughters are now 17 and 14,

my

years [00:56:00] of identifying as mother, it's not that I, I'm, of course I'll always be their

mother like that as being such a central part. Uh, they're already at the point, you know,

my 17 year old's

driving, she drives the 14-year-old, they don't need

me as much. and and so there's this moment of like, oh, whoa. I, when I was little, I envisioned my life kind of like all the way through having children, but I didn't spend much time like dreaming into what happens after that.

Adam: right, right.

Amanda: So it's like all, all throughout our lives, we're going through these different, you know, we're, we're putting on different hats.

We're putting on a, a mantle, and I've worn that mantle of mother and, and you get so identified with it because

it's so all in all consuming, right?

But now that it's coming to an end, I'm like, whoa, okay.

Loosening the grip on that archetype and okay, what's next? And,

and not, I'm gonna go totally identify with the next archetype.

But

in a way it's kind

of fun to

play with archetypes and to be like, okay,

you know, what's, what's the next one like, that's fun.

Adam: Because

the [00:57:00] archetypes are ways, as far as

I understand, at

least in the Jungian tradition, that they're, they're, they're ways psychologically of creating intimacy with ourselves.

You know, like

I get to know, I've gotten to know myself through

the

role or costume of an astrologer in some amazing

ways, but the dad

costumes like a totally different sphere.

There's some overlap. It's like a Venn diagram or

something, but like, you know,

and then we have to, but I think what's so, what's so hard about Aquarius that like the,

like,

cause you know, we love to like really romanticize Aquarius, the

age of Aquarius. And like, and it's a

lovely sign. I, I've, I love Aquarius.

I got a bunch of aquariums in my family. But one of the things that, it's a Saturn world sign traditionally, and one of the things that can fall into Saturn being the ruler of the opposition aspect. Polarization where again, it's like in order to get out of being overly identified as a pastor or a father, I have to go become a playboy and have an affair.

[00:58:00] Right.

And my dad

now, he, he ended up going to Pacifica and studying getting a PhD

in Jung in psychology. He's a very bright guy. Like

he, and so he's really reflective about all of this now and in a totally different space. And, but he'll tell you, he'll be the first to tell you. Yeah. Like that's the trap I got caught in, in midlife that, you know, so like the, these, these

that dance between, and

he's a, he is

a

son and Aquarius Moon in Leo.

Amanda: Wow.

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Amanda: Okay. You guys, there is so much here to hold. I hope that you'll

re-listen to

this episode because like, I just, there's just, there's so much to hold and so much to reflect on as we travel through this year and that the, the astrology of this year, if you want more, you're gonna get more at the 2026 forecast event.

Adam will be there. So one of the things I love is when the astrologers have dialogue with each other and really start to you know, kind of like bounce [00:59:00] off each other. And,

and a lot of things emerge that are very organic. And that's one of the things I love about

doing live

events is you kind of never know, you know,

we, we create the

structure. You

guys show up, we have a great conversation and the audience gets to be a part of that magic that happens.

Adam: Yeah. Well, one, I

want to just appreciate Amanda, just for a second to everyone watching, because I'm sure you already know this about Amanda, 'cause you all hang out with Astrology Hub regularly. But my observation, Amanda, is that you are just really, really skilled at creating containers for that

dialogue, for that

space of creative flow and collaboration.

That's a real gift. That's, that's not, that's a, a role

that you

inhabit Very well. I appreciate

it.

Adam – Speaker: Thank

Amanda: you. I don't even know how to name

that little archetypal

role that I've been playing. Hostess, I guess.

Yeah. But no, it's fun for me because I, I think it's mainly about appreciating all of your gifts

and creating

a space where you know you're appreciated and that

dialogue is encouraged

and things just happen.

I don't

have to it. Yeah. Always love being here.[01:00:00]

Thank you Adam. And, and we always love having you. This

has been

such a pleasure. I mean, really. Wow.

I have pages of notes and I can imagine that, that our listeners and viewers do as well, so. Again, astrologyhub.com slash

2026 Forecast. Adam will be there. Rebecca Gordon, Adam Summer, Gary Caton, who we talked about a little bit here today.

Adam: Rebecca was my first teacher.

Amanda: what

Adam: Yeah. She was my very first teacher in 2010 just before

I started my career, and she encouraged

me to start my career.

So I, I, I love Rebecca. She's wonderful.

Amanda: she is so wonderful, I mean, we just had her on the podcast recently as well. Penny Thornton, Gemini, Brett. So a, is like a real all star cast. And we've had, we've had two behind backstage kind of dress rehearsals so far, and they are so awesome and

they're so

fired up and they're so looking forward to being with all of you. So hope to see you at that. And Adam, [01:01:00] I just, I adore you. Like I said in the beginning.

I wish you all the best. You are doing an incredible service and you're so committed and dedicated and I, and just as you're talking about all these other books you're reading and becoming a bodybuilder and being a dad and all this, I'm

like, wow,

how do you hold all of it?

Like

that's

very impressive and inspiring. So thank

you for being you

Adam: Yeah, thank

you. Thanks for

having me.

Amanda: Yeah. Okay, everybody, thank you for tuning in. I

can't wait

to see you on January 20th and 21st at the Forecast panel events, and I can't wait to see you on the next episode. Thank you for making astrology a part of your life,

and

we'll

see you soon.

Take care.

 

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